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Valvebucker - guitar pickup w/vacuum tube in it
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Author Valvebucker - guitar pickup w/vacuum tube in it
Rex Coil 7
I don't know man .... this seems like a massive gimmick to me.

LINK = https://reverb.com/news/ruokangas-introduces-the-valvebucker-the-first -ever-tube-driven-electric-guitar-pickup

Tubes HATE vibration and being knocked around. Y'know, like the very thing that a guitar is subjected to? I mean unless the guitar is going to be used as some studio queen or whatever.

Had they used the "Nu-Tube" (marketed by Korg) that is essentially a vacuum tube in a large IC chip looking thing that solders directly to PC boards, the idea would probably be more ... uhm .... guitar worthy?

Oh well .... so here it is folks ... the guitar pickup with a vacuum tube in it.

seriously, i just don't get it
hippo1
...Yup.

I’m guessing they’ll sell a few, to the owners of Moog guitars and the two people out there still rockin’ a Synthaxe (sorry, Alan, wherever you are!).
commodorejohn
I like that it's also in a form factor that means you can't install it in practically any standard guitar design without routing the hell out of the body so that there will never be any point in removing it if it turns out you don't like it. Bah-rilliant.
sduck
Here's a link to the manufacturer page - that reverb link wasn't working for me. I'm listening to the demos now - I don't hear anything fundamentally better, or even that different in any way. It just sounds like any other electric guitar.

https://ruokangas.com/specifications/valvebucker/
Rex Coil 7
sduck wrote:
Here's a link to the manufacturer page - that reverb link wasn't working for me. I'm listening to the demos now - I don't hear anything fundamentally better, or even that different in any way. It just sounds like any other electric guitar.

https://ruokangas.com/specifications/valvebucker/
Yea, I'm not seeing the Emporer's New Clothes either.

Forumcat #1
kcd06
This strikes me as a product intended to create ongoing expense for the user, and not a lot else.
Rex Coil 7
kcd06 wrote:
This strikes me as a product intended to create ongoing expense for the user, and not a lot else.
Yea, me too. I feel bad for the guy. He's obviously spent some money on the prototype, and possibly even some ready-for-sale inventory on hand by now.

Why mess with the whole tube preamp in the guitar? He's already got the power supply and the tube drivers in the box on the floor. Just put the tube-preamp in the box on the floor and run a guitar cable ... a regular guitar cable ... from a regular guitar.

Oh wait, there's already six shit tons of that configuration on the market. meh

This tubes-in-the-guitar setup is just another horse with a kickstand. Or screen doors on a submarine.

Pffft! ... lol
fredguy
The differences are not subtle.

Kind of like mpingo disks, only the true audiophile will understand the auditory potential.
sduck
I had to look up mpingo disks. It's like Brilliant Pebbles! Now I know. Investing now...
Dcramer
I’m holdin’ out for the tube-guitar-pick cool
Rex Coil 7
fredguy wrote:
The differences are not subtle.

Kind of like mpingo disks, only the true audiophile will understand the auditory potential.
From my point of view my rejection of the idea has nothing to do with sound. I mean, I hear the difference, especially with the pickup selector in the middle position .... but that's not the point.

The point is there is absolutely no reason to put the tube section inside of the guitar. The same ends could be attained by using whatever pickup magic is going on and putting the entirety of the rest of the circuit on the floor, tubes, preamp and all.

Perhaps it will require more development before it's real strengths are brought to fruition. I remember when "active electronics" first hit the market. Most people couldn't hear the difference, and cries of "SNAKE OIL!" could be heard far and wide. But as certain groups of guitarists began to put the circuits into use, and pickup manufacturers learned how to make pickups to take fullest advantage of active onboard preamps, that type of guitar electronics became nearly required for music using heavy distortion ... the distortion became further refined, the amps followed suit with preamp/power amp circuits designed to work with active guitar electronics, and even newer music followed.

Y'never know! All it takes is one breakout guitarist with one smash album (or song) and the whole thing could take off like an unguided missile.

Then again the whole thing may end up swirling down the drain with all of the other best intentions.

I've been in that catbird seat myself before. About ten years ago, I came up with a few ideas that expanded the capabilities of overdrive and distortion pedals. Something never seen before, that allowed the user to completely change the gain structure and clipping configuration by simply changing a right angle 1/4" plug stuffed with different components inside of it into a "port" on the face of the unit. Later developed further through the use of an "expander module" (the MODULA1). The notion became popular. Had I not stopped producing them (I pretty much hung a closed sign on the door and got out of the game altogether) and hooked up with the right marketing entity, it may have seen a sortof "underground" success. I made a lot of those units for a number of pro touring and recording/session cats whose identities are protected by non-disclosure agreements.

"I coulda been a contendah" ... lol

sduck wrote:
I had to look up mpingo disks. It's like Brilliant Pebbles! Now I know. Investing now...
3 LOL comment ... lol lol lol

Dcramer wrote:
I’m holdin’ out for the tube-guitar-pick cool
Earns 5 LOLs .... lol lol lol lol lol
kcd06
Quote:
I had to look up mpingo disks. It's like Brilliant Pebbles! Now I know.



Wait, what? What does snake-oil audiophule gimmickry have to do with Regan era SDI kinetic-kill interceptors?
Rex Coil 7
fredguy wrote:
The differences are not subtle.

Kind of like mpingo disks, only the true audiophile will understand the auditory potential.
Well then! I suppose I'd need to buy this $285 DOLLAR WALL SOCKET to power my rig with as well.

WTF, OVER? ... some people's children! I swear, you put a load of bullshit in a description, paint it blue, and some folks will just thow they munnays at you!

You gotta see this thing ... it's a blue wall outlet worth about $1.25 at Home Creepo. I used to install these same exact outlets in medical facilities and casinos to designate which wall outlets were connected to the emergency power generators. My cost on boxes of 24 of them was about $20 bucks ... for two dozen!

LINK = https://highend-electronics.com/products/synergistic-research-blue-uef -duplex-receptacle

$285.00 bucks for a $1.00 wall outlet!

Almost as criminal as Mpingo Disks.

What was that Suicidal Tendencies song in the 90s ??? .... "Send Me Yo Munnay" ....

lol

"There's a sucker born every minute" .... (P.T. Barnum of the Barnum and Baileys Flying Circus)

Rex Coil 7
kcd06 wrote:
Quote:
I had to look up mpingo disks. It's like Brilliant Pebbles! Now I know.



Wait, what? What does snake-oil audiophule gimmickry have to do with Regan era SDI kinetic-kill interceptors?
Yea, I'm having a hard time with the analogy myself ...

hmmm..... seriously, i just don't get it

LINK =
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brilliant_Pebbles

Off Topic: The US Navy has these guns on certain AICBM (Anti missile ships) that can put a few hundred thousand depleted uranium projectiles that are about 2.00 inches in diameter into the path of in-flight ballistic missiles that the missiles just fly through and are destroyed. It's a cloud of bullets, in an over-simplified description. I have to wonder if the concept wasn't inspired by the Brilliant Pebbles notion.

Back to topic ...

thumbs up
sduck
no no no - http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm
Rex Coil 7
sduck wrote:
no no no - http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm
Pffft! ... lol
GuyaGuy
Call me when they put a guitar in a vacuum tube.
fredguy
sduck wrote:
I had to look up mpingo disks. It's like Brilliant Pebbles! Now I know. Investing now...


Once the mpingo disks have been fully appreciated you may be ready to move into the world of Joly speakers.

"The speakers give us the serenity and does not irritate our mind."

http://www.joly.com.tw/english/engAward.htm

You can thank me later.
Rex Coil 7
fredguy wrote:
sduck wrote:
I had to look up mpingo disks. It's like Brilliant Pebbles! Now I know. Investing now...


Once the mpingo disks have been fully appreciated you may be ready to move into the world of Joly speakers.

"The speakers give us the serenity and does not irritate our mind."

http://www.joly.com.tw/english/engAward.htm

You can thank me later.
I'm sure they'd be just enough to compliment your new $11,000.00 turntable.

thumbs up
kcd06
This. This is why I dont want to live on this planet anymore.
Chrome Dinette
Take it from someone who did this, it's kind of a dumb idea.

A guy a knew, who build violins now, was building arch tops for a while and wanted to put a tube preamp in one of them.

I made him a little circuit with a couple of subminiature tubes on it. Two cables were used, a regular 1/4TS and another cable with 3 pin connectors for the power supply (common, 6vdc for heaters and 24vdc for B+).

It kind of looked neat because he made two holes in the top for the tubes to poke through but I felt there was no advantage to putting the tube circuit in the guitar.
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