MIDI 2.0 announced at NAMM 2019

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MIDI 2.0 announced at NAMM 2019

Post by Rex Coil 7 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:20 pm

I didn't see this mentioned anywhere in the forums here in Miffwugglers. If it was and I missed, lock or delete this thread.

But 32 bit MIDI ... seriously cool.

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Post by synthpriest » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:35 pm

Took some time. :hihi: :party:

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Post by calaveras » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:26 pm

seriously. I think it's on RFC 1988.1.1.1.1.1?

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Post by bwhittington » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:56 pm

Oh noes, all my MIDI 1.0 devices are obsolete now. :woah:

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Post by Rex Coil 7 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:14 pm

bwhittington wrote:Oh noes, all my MIDI 1.0 devices are obsolete now. :woah:
The sky is truly falling .... :cry:
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Post by GuyaGuy » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:03 pm

And Elektron users thought they had to wait a long time for an Overbridge update!

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Post by beatcleaver » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:30 pm

"32 bits ought to be enough for anyone"

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Post by E Baxter Put » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:38 pm

Midi 1.0 is definitely warmer.

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Post by Samaepstein » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:48 pm

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E Baxter Put wrote:Midi 1.0 is definitely warmer.

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Post by kcd06 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:48 pm

I'm honestly waiting for the first, "I like MIDI v1 as it has a more analog sound," or some grognard lecturing those punk kids on how they have things easy with MIDIv2 and complaining about MPE.

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Post by Panason » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:25 pm

Do you hear that? It's the sound of hardware manufacturers ignoring MIDI 2.0...

It sounds a bit like a Volca failing to sync to MIDI clock.. or an Elektron machine using MIDI Sample Dump.

Just be happy you got 7 bits- this is not the future, you know.

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Post by dooj88 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:36 pm

for the love of god if it's going to have pins, spread them equidistant around the socket so i don't have to crane my neck round the back of the synth to double check which way the cable should align.

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Post by Panason » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:13 pm

Looks like minijacks is the grim future.

I read today that the Moog One does not have working MIDI clock sync....

It (MIDI) really is a lost cause.

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Post by goldplate » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:36 pm

I'm pretty sure it will be complicated, maybe even obscure, hence why people will tell they prefer MIDI 1.0.

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Post by Dave Kendall » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:53 pm

^ Yup. Quite likely many people will not understand it, or only get it a bit, and as since the dawn of the tool age, will blame it, not their understanding. "I can't use this tool - it's crap"
kcd06 wrote:I'm honestly waiting for the first, "I like MIDI v1 as it has a more analog sound," or some grognard lecturing those punk kids on how they have things easy with MIDIv2 and complaining about MPE.
Someone will definitely say that zipper noise when opening a filter with 7-bit CCs is desirable. :)

I wish MIDI 2.0 well - not being able to foretell the future, it remains to be seen just how widely it will be adopted. But 32-bit control resolution, and backwards compatibility with MIDI 1.0 are both very welcome.

The current problems of sending MTC or MIDI clock down the same physical cable as other information will likely effectively disappear, if they get it right. Whether that translates to better timing DAW - MIDI and the outside world or not is down to whether the PC industry takes it onboard or not. USB MIDI is an example of that not being done properly - with a new spec from a body with plenty of folks from the MI industry working on it, I guess we'll see.
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Post by Panason » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:09 pm

With USB 3 and low latency setups it isn't really a computer OS problem anymore.

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Post by Rex Coil 7 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:51 pm

Dave Kendall wrote:Someone will definitely say that zipper noise when opening a filter with 7-bit CCs is desirable. :).
And still others will claim they can still hear Velocity stepping through the 4 Billion+ steps that 32 bit will offer. Them "golden ear types" must have very tough lives. "It's so hard being me!"

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Post by Dave Kendall » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:19 pm

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Post by flashheart » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:46 pm

Glad everyone's so positive... :hihi: :despair:
I'm not buying a maths though, not my idea of fun...

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Post by Rex Coil 7 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:43 pm

flashheart wrote:Glad everyone's so positive... :hihi: :despair:
It's not negativity, it's skepticism. :tu:
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Post by Dave Kendall » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:35 am

flashheart wrote:Glad everyone's so positive... :hihi: :despair:
MIDI 2.0 will likely be a very useful upgrade. It's the humans that decide to use it wisely/properly or not that's the problem. :)

I do really wish it well, and welcome its (rather late) arrival. :nana:
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Post by Rex Coil 7 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:03 pm

Dave Kendall wrote:
flashheart wrote:Glad everyone's so positive... :hihi: :despair:
MIDI 2.0 will likely be a very useful upgrade. It's the humans that decide to use it wisely/properly or not that's the problem. :)

I do really wish it well, and welcome its (rather late) arrival. :nana:
We share the same outlook.

Only thing I'm concerned about is if we'll be dealing with yet another connection scheme, or worse, adaptive pigtails. As it stands we have USB, USB Type C, Thunderbolt, Firewire, MIDI/DIN 5, and MIDI over 3.5mm. I understand that backward compatibility will most likely be addressed, however that says nothing about connection formats.

Only because I am invested in MIDI/DIN5, I hope they find a way to make this new version work over that cable method. MIDI is my weakest subject when it comes to synths, that said I wouldn't know if this new protocol can even be made to work over DIN5. One can hope!

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Post by Sandrine » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:46 am

I am VERY disappointed! I thought 2.0 was going to be a higher rate serial connection (like 256k) that would run over existing 5 pin & TRS types of connections. It's not! It's just a USB protocol that, to the average monkey, would seem like any other USB connection like a webcam or printer or document scanner. It's a who cares what it is format like Rewire, all internal to computer software with a breakout like optical.

Seeing it's bidirectionality in action appears proprietary and using USB is yet another nail in the 5 pin/TRS coffin

I am super upset that most manufacturers are adopting USB for MIDI 1.0. It's basically a USB-serial interface which seems ridiculous, 40-400 Meg connection that is still no faster than the original 0.03125 Mbaud connection of old.
The USB plugs and jacks suck. Always did, always will. Short runs, prone to failure. Not something I want on stage!! Most of my MIDI runs are over 20 feet long. Do that with USB?

I design modules with MIDI and it'll be a cold day in hell before I add USB MIDI of any kind to them. I may hypocritically add a CAT-5 ethernet connector though.

Kudos to the manufacturers for not adopting this protocol. :omg:

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Post by phesago » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:26 am

flashheart wrote:Glad everyone's so positive... :hihi: :despair:
bah-humbug - get off my lawn etc etc etc

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Post by Blairio » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:13 pm

Sandrine wrote:
I design modules with MIDI and it'll be a cold day in hell before I add USB MIDI of any kind to them. I may hypocritically add a CAT-5 ethernet connector though.
I agree. USB midi is the Gods having a laugh.

The only thing I want from Midi 2.0 is perfect backwards compatibility. So many protocols make an absolute bolllocks of backwards compatibility, and for me (whisper it quietly) Midi 1.0 is just fine.

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