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Author FH-2 keeps crashing
mrMagenta
FH-2 is still hanging on me when using it with one or more Roli Seaboards. All gates get stuck and only a reboot will fix it.

I've been having problems with missing note-offs / stuck gates with the Arturia keystep as well.

So far, the only device that has been working well for me is my old Korg Microkontrol. No missing note-offs.

I've tried different USB cables, makes no difference. I'm running firmware 1.5.5

I got the FH-2 specifically to use it with my two seaboard blocks. It's all running great.. until it crashes. It seems almost like some MIDI input buffer is overflowing because the hangs occur when a lot is going on. I know the Roli sends various sysex messages.. could that be causing issues? Is there a way to ignore all incoming sysex?

I'm still hoping there is a fix for this, let me know if there is something I can do to help debug this.
os
There's a known issue with the Keystep, which I'm talking to Arturia about.

The FH-2 has to receive the sysex before it can choose to ignore it, if you see what I mean. Turning it off so it's not sent would be the only way to test if that's the problem (or filtering it out, if you have a MIDI router that will do it).
SteveElbows
In my experience the Seaboard Blocks only send sysex when they are connected to the Roli Dashboard app on a computer, so I'm not convinced that is the cause.

I've had crashing too, so I would like to get involved with nailing this issue down if I can be of any use. Give me a few days to get up to speed with latest firmware etc and I wills tart doing various tests. I'm hoping to come up with some reproducable crashes, and if it turns out to be applicable I will record a whole stream of midi that can trigger the issue. I do have various other MPE controllers too so maybe I can rule some stuff in or out using those too.
SteveElbows
Well I couldnt get it to crash if I connected the Roli to a computer and the computer to the FH-2 via its USB C port.

This means I cannot record or monitor the midi data to look for clues.

I also could not get it to crash if I used the USB A but put the RK-005 in between the FH-2 and the Roli.

I could not get it to crash if I connected thr Roli directly but only used one finger to play the Roli.

I could get it to crash if I connected it directly and then hammered all the keys with all my fingers in a very rapid manner. Sometimes I could get it to crash in less than 10 seconds by doing this, other times it took longer.
Tokyo-Noise
oh, sorry. i'm addressing my question to another topic...
mrMagenta
Thanks Steve for also taking a look at these issues! I haven't had the time to sit down and investigate this further until now.

Some findings I have so far:

Setup :
FH-2 with Firmware 1.6, FHX-1 expansion
2x Roli Seaboards with latest firmware as of this date.

Problems that I get:
Note hangs,
Polyphonic pitch bend starts affecting all notes,
Crash and lockup with all gates on.

Clues:
FH-2 has at times displayed the message 'MIDI device send queue overflow' when crashing.

Using only one seaboard block seems to make crashes and note-hangs less frequent, but they still occur (played with similar note density, three fingers).

Questions:
Is the receive buffer overflowing when Rolis are sending high amount of data? Or is the overflow because something else causes problems first?
Could this be a power issue? I've had the same problems with FH-2 in an Arturia case and with 4ms row power 40 supply, used in isolation.

When a single note hangs I can unfreeze it by reloading the preset.
When all notes hang I need to reload preset and powercycle the ROLIs.

Here is one of my configurations:


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mrMagenta
Routing through the computer seems to stop the crashing, just like it did for Steve. But so far I've only done it by passing the MIDI along using Max MSP, which seems to filter out certain things, for instance it reduces pitch bend precision to 7-bits. While not crashing, it still has intermittent issues with assigning pitch bend data to the wrong voices.

I'll try a more direct MIDI-routing and see if I can log the data in the process.

I checked out the RK005. Looks like a great little device, I might get one for other uses. I still want a solution to this particular problem that doesn't need it. It really ought to be redundant with the FH-2.
mrMagenta
Using MIDI-pipe to route the data directly to FH-2 I get similar results as above.

These are my findings so far:

1. Still no crashing as when connecting directly to FH-2 USB-A.

2. Intermittent wrong voice addressing of pressure and pitchbend data. I have a suspicion it might have to do with MPE channel allocations, even if the two seaboard blocks are connected to each other with the magnetic connector forming one Master and slave unit.

3. I've also tried separating the devices and piping them both as separate units. This seems to reduce the frequency of hanging notes but introduces other kinds of issues with voice addressing. I'm suspecting some portion of the hanging notes could be attributed to the connector and its sensitivity to physical alignment.
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