Rossum Panharmonium Resynthesizer

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Post by onthelees » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:06 pm

Not to get too...picky, as this seems potentially amazing, but I would rather have had a "Freeze" gate input, than a "Freeze" button, I mean this is Eurorack - why have a button when you can have voltage control?

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Post by wminor » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:25 pm

Bob Borries wrote:[√] World class transient generator
[√] World class analog filter
[√] World class digital filter
[√] World class sampler
[√] World class Oscillator
[ ] WTF that was totally unexpected
Which module are you referring to for "transient generator". Control forge?

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Post by thetwlo » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:25 pm

Bob Borries wrote:[√] World class transient generator
[√] World class analog filter
[√] World class digital filter
[√] World class sampler
[√] World class Oscillator
[ ] WTF that was totally unexpected
:tu: yup, don't need no stinking demos, it won't be how I use it anyway, just gimme a manual, price and ship date! EDIT: missed the date and price summer and $499!
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This might be a good case for a breakout module for CV/gate extracts of the input signal, since it's processing that info anyway.

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Post by anselmi » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:03 am

looks vocoder-ish for me...but with internal oscillator(s) as carrier and no input...also monophonic operation, right?

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Post by thetwlo » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:10 am

anselmi wrote:looks vocoder-ish for me...but with internal oscillator(s) as carrier and no input...also monophonic operation, right?
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Post by SarahB » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:18 am

Ooh! What a lovely thing! Want.

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Post by Misk » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:36 am

man i've been loving everything coming from RE lately and this is dope and all, but nothing has ever held a candle to Kyma when it comes to real-time spectral resynthesis.

It *does* have immediacy and ease-of-use in it's favor for sure, but Kyma's really spoiled me, and I've gotten good at picking out weird-ass resynthesis artifacts — so i'm def interested to hear how this sounds when processing a wide range of spectral content. Also Peripatitis knows, he owns Kyma (there are literally TENS of us!).
peripatitis wrote: But i guess the main question for me is it, why not morph between the presets? And what about noise?
once you've analyzed the spectra, interpolation isn't *that* hard to toss in there is it? resynthesis is cool but interpolation is sexy!

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I wouldn't be certain though that those "as yet unnamed harmonic effects" haven't already be given a name by trevor wishart or Roger Smalley..:)
CDP kills it too, if you're not worried about real-time!

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Post by ignatius » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:38 am

not sure why there's no gate input for the freeze button?

otherwise yeehaw. looks great. can't wait to hear it.

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Post by thetwlo » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:48 am

Misk wrote:man i've been loving everything coming from RE lately and this is dope and all, but nothing has ever held a candle to Kyma when it comes to real-time spectral resynthesis.
Well, it will sound different. With different control possibilities. Weird comparison, Symbolic Sound doesn't offer modules.

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Post by ignatius » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:18 am

thetwlo wrote:
Misk wrote:man i've been loving everything coming from RE lately and this is dope and all, but nothing has ever held a candle to Kyma when it comes to real-time spectral resynthesis.
Well, it will sound different. With different control possibilities. Weird comparison, Symbolic Sound doesn't offer modules.
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Post by anselmi » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:22 am

thetwlo wrote:
anselmi wrote:looks vocoder-ish for me...but with internal oscillator(s) as carrier and no input...also monophonic operation, right?
stereo ins and outs on the panel
I mean not polyphonic

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Post by AKaudio » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:08 am

starthief wrote:Wow! There have been a couple of VST synthesizers that can do this, but I'm really eager to hear this particular take on it.
Would love to check these out, you have names?

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Post by bemushroomed » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:14 am

onthelees wrote:I would rather have had a "Freeze" gate input, than a "Freeze" button
Yes, and i don't think its being picky, its just common sense to me.

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Post by thermisonic » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:51 am

I hope it doesn’t just sound like a modular Metasynth. Although I guess that would be cool too...

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Post by Portabella » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:35 am

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Post by Jumbuktu » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:31 am

Grabbed my attention immediately. With this and Xaoc Odessa, looks like the year of spectral manipulation!

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Post by kay_k » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:10 am

I was wondering about that freeze gate too so I wrote them. I've received the reply that this is totally possible by sending 5V to blur will result in infinite blur which is exactly the same as freeze.

(btw. Marco replied in a couple of minutes to my question and immediately to my follow up mail, that is good support IMO)

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Post by starthief » Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:04 am

AKaudio wrote:
starthief wrote:Wow! There have been a couple of VST synthesizers that can do this, but I'm really eager to hear this particular take on it.
Would love to check these out, you have names?
Now that I'm fully awake, I feel I should point out that these aren't real time, but analyze a saved sample file and build spectral envelopes...

Camel Audio Alchemy, though unfortunately the developer went under and the plug-in was bought by Apple and is Mac-only (if it's even still available).

DiscoDSP Vertigo is the other one I can think of offhand.

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Post by peripatitis » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:56 am

Misk wrote:man i've been loving everything coming from RE lately and this is dope and all, but nothing has ever held a candle to Kyma when it comes to real-time spectral resynthesis.

It *does* have immediacy and ease-of-use in it's favor for sure, but Kyma's really spoiled me, and I've gotten good at picking out weird-ass resynthesis artifacts — so i'm def interested to hear how this sounds when processing a wide range of spectral content. Also Peripatitis knows, he owns Kyma (there are literally TENS of us!).
peripatitis wrote: But i guess the main question for me is it, why not morph between the presets? And what about noise?
once you've analyzed the spectra, interpolation isn't *that* hard to toss in there is it? resynthesis is cool but interpolation is sexy!

peripatitis wrote: p.s
I wouldn't be certain though that those "as yet unnamed harmonic effects" haven't already be given a name by trevor wishart or Roger Smalley..:)
CDP kills it too, if you're not worried about real-time!
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There is no question kyma destroys everything in that frequency domain world. It might be tricky to get great results with the limited number of oscillators and lack of deviation controls, it is though definetely adventurous, brave and a bit out of the box considering eurorack modules generally "safer choices".
Btw they could make the waveform control cv-able..

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Post by dooj88 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:00 am

starthief wrote: Now that I'm fully awake, I feel I should point out that these aren't real time, but analyze a saved sample file and build spectral envelopes...

Camel Audio Alchemy, though unfortunately the developer went under and the plug-in was bought by Apple and is Mac-only (if it's even still available).
damn, good call. i've got that still running on my first gen ipad. haven't messed with it for a few years, but i seem to remember it mostly sounding like morphing between various aspects of filter settings. i'll have to look at it again.

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Post by Dragonaut » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:55 am

Very exciting stuff. Nicely outside of the box. Rossum is stepping up his game.
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Post by bc3 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:01 am

Really hope they give use some well made demos on this and more than just a trade show video with lack luster sound quality. Looking at the specifications this has the potential to be something very unique 8-)

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Post by Zymos » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:05 am

At this point, I'm totally fine with lackluster trade show video!

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Post by bc3 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:16 am

I wonder if this concept of analyzing the spectral content of an audio signal and driving digital oscillators could also be used to produce control voltages? I do not mean in this module design but another module using the same spectral processing engine to analyze incoming audio and in turn produce varying voltages and even trigger or gates :hmm:

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Post by moogah » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:23 am

oooooh damn.. my wallet really hopes this thing ends up being disappointing..

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