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Post by Paranormal Patroler » Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:13 am

anselmi wrote:
Paranormal Patroler wrote:No resonant filter that I know of, although to be honest I'd be far more interested in a decent parametric EQ and a full fledged compressor. Devices like these need EQ, Compression, Level, Panning, and Reverb. The rest I can outsource. But that's just what I'd expect.
oh, no! too much DAW...and less an instrument, like the MPC live...leave this stuff for computers and add instrument features instead!

reverb would be OK
I respectfully disagree. You can use external filters, delays, etc, in a global fashion such as what the Blackbox uses, and then re-record the material using the output/input workaround that users have been utilizing instead of the new resampling.

EQ'ing every single sample is impossible with external gear, but it's important for a good mix. As we are all well aware, most of us don't like using DAWs or avoid it if possible.

Reverb is already there and so is a closed Compressor. I really wish they'd open the compressor up and allow for sidechaining.
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Post by versipellis » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:36 am

Anyone know if the 1010 blackbox can do tempo detection of recorded loops like the Octatrack can?
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Post by shanebroderick » Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:48 pm

Does the Beatstep pro and the Blackbox play well together?

Also wanted to know about the beat detection of recorded loops.

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Post by DruidTek » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:55 am

A new firmware beta has just been released on the 1010music forum:
Thanks for all the suggestions and feedback. Based on your input we are pleased to make available our next beta release, version 1.2. Here is the list of what's new:

Simple granular synthesis. We built this enhancement in response to requests for loop crossfading--it takes the idea much further. Look for a new option in the Sample/Clip/Slicer drop down menu. Granular mode works as an extension to sample mode. You can define the pitch, start, stop, length, loop mode, etc. You also get these parameters per voice:
Grain size: 1024 to 16384, which is about 10ms to about 200ms
Grain count: 2-8. Running 8 grains sounds cool but eats up the processor
Spread: The amount of randomization in grain position surrounding the playhead
Speed: How quickly the playhead advances through the waveform.

Copy and paste of PADS. From the PADS screen, turn the lower right knob to the right as you will see a new control panel.
Recording templates: Configure the pad mode, launch mode, envelope, and MIDI setup--before recording the sample
MIDI Keys channel. Hook a keyboard to the blackbox and it will play the active pad directly.
Knob control of the event step as well as pitch and duration in the SEQ editor.
MIDI output channel per pad
Control of the edit position in the text edit window. You can finally change the beginning of a file or preset name.
Pressing the grid button in the upper left corner of most control panels lets you switch PADS or SEQS directly without returning to the main screen
New navigation style for PADS. There are now only two main pages per pad: The Waveform and the Control Panel. The control panel has several sub pages directly accessible by a toolbar at the bottom
Bug fixes:
Saving or Trimming WAV files a few minutes in length would crash the box
Sometimes the knobs, particularly the upper right one, would jitter
Sometimes the thru-ing of MIDI controllers would alter the value slightly
On short envelopes, there was aliasing

Please check it out and let us know what you think. Thank you for your support

The 1010music Team
I'm blown away by the Granular Mode. It sounds a lot like PaulStretch with the right settings! Lots of little workflow refinements added this time around. The box is really starting to become a very polished and powerful little beast!

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Post by vegeta897 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:00 am

First experiment with the grandular synthesis, and I'm really pleased.



Maybe I'm easily impressed because I have so little experience with granular, but I love all the tonal qualities possible with grain size and count. It's great that it automatically plays through the sample at the speed you set (independent of pitch), and obeys your loop mode/markers. And the spread is a nice way to add even more interesting variation.

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Post by VM » Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:28 am

Can we have a verdict on the amount of "clicking" otherwise noticeable end-of-sample noises? This is mentioned in the Loopop review but he kinda just glances over it.

Are there any user-programmable workarounds such as very short fade-ins/outs that can mitigate it?
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Post by Gyroscope » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:43 am

VM wrote:Can we have a verdict on the amount of "clicking" otherwise noticeable end-of-sample noises? This is mentioned in the Loopop review but he kinda just glances over it.

Are there any user-programmable workarounds such as very short fade-ins/outs that can mitigate it?
I don't know for the Blackbox but the lack of crossfading on the Bitbox makes it pretty much unusable.

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Post by Paranormal Patroler » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:41 pm

Take 5 minutes to sign up at the 1010 forum and request fade ins/outs and cross fades like I did.
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Post by VM » Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:32 pm

Thanks Gyroscope and Paranormal Patroler.

Sounds like clicking is an issue. I want auto-crossfades on looped samples and auto fades for one-shots before i pull the trigger.
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Post by Paranormal Patroler » Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:17 am

VM wrote:Thanks Gyroscope and Paranormal Patroler.

Sounds like clicking is an issue. I want auto-crossfades on looped samples and auto fades for one-shots before i pull the trigger.
You can cut your own samples, so clicks are not really an issue if you do the work properly. But that doesn't mean fade in/out wouldn't be useful!
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Post by Gyroscope » Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:50 pm

Paranormal Patroler wrote:Take 5 minutes to sign up at the 1010 forum and request fade ins/outs and cross fades like I did.
I did, about a year ago.

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Post by Panason » Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:10 am

This last beta is impressive.

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Post by onthebandwagon » Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:31 am

Panason wrote:This last beta is impressive.
Do you have this and the SP-16?
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Post by Panason » Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:02 pm

I have the SP16 but not this, just curious.

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Post by onthebandwagon » Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:07 pm

Panason wrote:I have the SP16 but not this, just curious.
Oh ok...
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Post by underthebigtree » Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:35 am

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Post by DruidTek » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:58 pm

Blackbox has been voted #1 in the "Best New Drum Machines and Samplers of 2019" poll by MusicRadar.

https://www.musicradar.com/news/the-bes ... rs-of-2019

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Post by behndy » Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:18 pm

loved the BitBox, have a Black Box on the way. all the excitements.
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Post by RickKleffel » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:18 pm

Betwixt this and Model: Cycles, you’re on fire! You & I have similar taste methinks. HD my eye on Blackbox for a while. Now if them eyes can find the money first!

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Post by behndy » Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:38 pm

yessssssssssh. the Cycles is really to stop me from trying to make myself like FM/weird synthesis drum modules. super excited for that. and the Black Box is because man as baller as the Salmple is, i MISS visual feedback for samply stuff.

those two and the Pulsar-23 WHENEVER IT FINALLY ARRIVES, i'm pretty set on Not Euro Hardware right now?

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Post by behndy » Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:24 pm

should have time to play later tonight, so the question might be moot but - anyone using a Novation Launchkey Mini Mk3 with their Black Box?

i'm curious about how to get the Launchkey to sync tempo with the Black Box (or other hardware).

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Post by behndy » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:45 am

murrrrr i guess ignore that. looks like the Mini Mk3 is designed to grab it's tempo from Live or other DAWs. it lacks a MIDI in or CV clock. not a deal breaker, because it's a tiny NICE little thing, but kinda disappointing since all the arp features were the main draw.
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Post by behndy » Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:23 am

annnnnd never mind THAT. dunno why, the connections are the same, all i did was update the firmware on BBox, but now it tempo syncs over USB with the Minster.

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Post by slumberjack » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:25 pm

Please pardon me for not reading everything through also for not RTFM but there's just one little question:

Can I DJ with this thing clocked to incoming MIDI? I still look after a solution to expand my live shows with playing songs / stems without a computer or CDJ. And since I got a live stream where I have to play for two hours soon and I saw a Octatrack for around 500 I just wanted to ask...
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Post by JosefK » Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:29 am

Haven't posted in a while. Curious to see how people are doing with their Blackboxes. I just picked one up and trying to wrap my head around it. Seems to perform some basic functions pretty well. It has a lot that has been implemented in my opinion at a pretty base level. Example, a compressor that just has an on or off parameter, one filter parameter etc. and very limited note editing in sequencer (a keystep is a must). I have experienced the clicking/popping sound people are mentioning not only on sample playback but with playing synths into it through the audio in. Seems you really need to play with velocity and gain to avoid it but it's kind of odd.

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