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Sinulator by West Oakland Music Systems. No discussion?
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raccoonboy
Hi all

I just found this module on modulargrid. Looks like it's just been added March this year. Why is there no discussion of this? It seems very powerful for it's size and I assume it's all analogue.

Sinulator

Offset, wavefolding, thru zero FM, saw and tri to sine.

Actually seems too good to be true as this is everything I want that I couldn't fit into my rack in only 8HP.

Searched the muffwiggler forums, googled, no results anywhere. What am I missing here?

Also, nowhere to buy though, haha. Maybe it's not out yet? or DIY?

Anyone got any info?

There also doesn't even seem to be an explanation of how to use all of these features and in fact it's not even on their website yet, maybe it's getting added?

thanks
Southfork
I thought West Oakland music were getting out of the modular game at least that was the discussion around the skipmin. Hopefully they are still going and more skipmins will be released too smile
Hooft
Here you go.

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=177513&highlight=

The WOMS Sinulator is based on Open Music Labs Sinecore apparently, and you can get the OML circuit on Synthcube as DIY.

https://synthcube.com/cart/open-music-labs-sinecore

The demos sound pretty good to me! Maybe someone better-qualified can explain why sinusoidal wavefolding is sweeter?



starthief
It's similar to an FM Aid.

http://wiki.openmusiclabs.com/wiki/Sinulator

Reading that helped me to understand how wavefolding and phase modulation are related and led to some fun patching experiments.
atl
I picked one up recently, and I love it. It's my first outboard waveshaper, but I also use the Instruo Cs-L wavefolder. I find it less aggressive than the more traditional wavefolder, and love the simplicity of the offset/gain controls.

I've been incorporating it into a lot of my patches lately: for aggressive drones, rhythmically gated effects on drums, and "plucked" to simulate the striking of a bell.

At Synthplex I was told that the upcoming Hexinverter Mindphaser uses the same waveshaper circuit.
coolshirtdotjpg
So surprised they're back in action. That's great news. I'll have to email them and congratulate them.
raccoonboy
starthief wrote:
It's similar to an FM Aid.

http://wiki.openmusiclabs.com/wiki/Sinulator

Reading that helped me to understand how wavefolding and phase modulation are related and led to some fun patching experiments.


thanks a lot. having a read now.

This thing seems great, definitely getting one.

edit: yeah, that made little to no sense to me. hahah. Would need someone explaining it on video with scopes etc to really understand.
atl
Hooft wrote:
Maybe someone better-qualified can explain why sinusoidal wavefolding is sweeter?

Simply put: fewer discontinuities (e.g., vertical lines on an oscilloscope trace, in other words, more smoothness) in the waveform mean fewer high frequencies in the waveform. The circuit typically adds some high frequencies (so: "sweet"), but not across many harmonics, which sounds more harsh.

The WOMS Sinulator can definitely be driven into a harsh territory, though. hihi
starthief
raccoonboy wrote:
edit: yeah, that made little to no sense to me. hahah. Would need someone explaining it on video with scopes etc to really understand.


While I'm not prepared to a video, maybe I can figure out how to explain it with diagrams and scope shots. It's something I've been playing with a bit lately.
coolshirtdotjpg
I've heard from them that they'll be putting demos online and updating their website soon, so look for that.
starthief
starthief wrote:
While I'm not prepared to a video, maybe I can figure out how to explain it with diagrams and scope shots. It's something I've been playing with a bit lately.


Here it is:

Sine Shaping & You

Bananas are involved. It's peanut butter jelly time!
turin horsey
Nice! thanks for the heads up
g3po
Well shoot, I'm only a few blocks away from the West Oakland bart. I'd love to cross paths with you WOMs if you're around these forums.
Hooft
starthief wrote:
While I'm not prepared to a video, maybe I can figure out how to explain it with diagrams and scope shots. It's something I've been playing with a bit lately.

Here it is:

Sine Shaping & You



Very interesting, thanks for the writeup! applause

You don't mention it, but the FMOgre takes an arbitrary signal into TZ FM/PM territory so appears to be an alternative route into sine shaping (and much more) - is that correct?

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97630&highlight=
starthief
Hooft wrote:
You don't mention it, but the FMOgre takes an arbitrary signal into TZ FM/PM territory so appears to be an alternative route into sine shaping (and much more) - is that correct?


After digging through that very long thread, no -- it's a separate mode, where FMOgre samples the input into a buffer and can modulate the "playback head" of that buffer.

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1865185#1865185
Hooft
starthief wrote:


Hooft wrote:
You don't mention it, but the FMOgre takes an arbitrary signal into TZ FM/PM territory so appears to be an alternative route into sine shaping (and much more) - is that correct?


After digging through that very long thread, no --


Damn. Thanks for the info anyway, very helpful!
raccoonboy
Just listened to some demos of this. Sounds great. The wavefolding doesn't get crazy loud like others I have used and the PM sounds great. A lot of other TZFM/PM stuff I've heard sounds too glassy and transparent for my taste but this manages to have a great variety of sound but sounds a lot more real world.
obmuc
Quote:

Here it is:

Sine Shaping & You

Bananas are involved. It's peanut butter jelly time!


Thanks for this - very interesting.
batch
Also - thanks - very helpful!
oldenjon
Also surprised by the silence around this module. I've heard nothing but great things, and have nothing but great things to say about guest and the work he does with openmusiclabs.
windspirit
Huh, seems like its not even on their website. Was this a limited run?
peripatitis
Sounds cleaner than the fmaid from the demos... Is it for sale anywhere?
atl
peripatitis wrote:
Sounds cleaner than the fmaid from the demos... Is it for sale anywhere?


I got it early on from Perfect Circuit, and it looks like there's still stock:
https://www.perfectcircuit.com/west-oakland-sinulator.html
peripatitis
atl wrote:
peripatitis wrote:
Sounds cleaner than the fmaid from the demos... Is it for sale anywhere?


I got it early on from Perfect Circuit, and it looks like there's still stock:
https://www.perfectcircuit.com/west-oakland-sinulator.html


Thanks for the tip thumbs up , looking for something in eu though smile
oldenjon
peripatitis wrote:
atl wrote:
peripatitis wrote:
Sounds cleaner than the fmaid from the demos... Is it for sale anywhere?


I got it early on from Perfect Circuit, and it looks like there's still stock:
https://www.perfectcircuit.com/west-oakland-sinulator.html


Thanks for the tip thumbs up , looking for something in eu though smile


They're a small company based in California. They may not get that kind of widespread distribution?

windspirit wrote:
Huh, seems like its not even on their website. Was this a limited run?

I don't think it was ever added to the site. They don't seem very active.
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