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Post by xonetacular » Wed May 15, 2019 8:50 am

tioJim wrote:I have been round this block a number of times. Believe it or not but the best solution remains the venerable MOTU MIDI Timepiece MTP AV.

There's a USB version and a parallel port version. You'll have some luck configuring with a computer with the former, less so with the latter (but it can be done).

Either way all the important bits can be set from the front panel without a computer, nor does it need to be tethered to a computer to operate.

They pop up on eBay pretty often. You shouldn't have to pay more than £75 fo the parallel version, maybe £125 tops for the USB.

I've had one or two with noisy/failing power supplies so ask, "Is the transformer buzzy?", as replacements are unavailable.

Despite being 20 years old it remains a brilliant option for connecting a pile of MIDI boxes to one another without using a computer and if you're on a budget it's about the only option.



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so is this easy to setup and use as a merger? can it work as two separate 3-4 to 1 mergers?

I just want to connect a couple different sequencers and ableton and be able to route them all to whatever synth/device I want. I don't want something complicated to mess with, just want to be able to have everything hooked up and select which sequencer I want to run what synth.

I'm thinking maybe I don't need a patch bay and can just run the outs of every sequencer to a merge box and just turn off tracks on the sequencers I'm not using, but maybe there are drawbacks of this I'm not thinking of and it would be better to have more control.

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Post by Rex Coil 7 » Wed May 15, 2019 9:33 am

tioJim wrote:I have been round this block a number of times. Believe it or not but the best solution remains the venerable MOTU MIDI Timepiece MTP AV.

There's a USB version and a parallel port version. You'll have some luck configuring with a computer with the former, less so with the latter (but it can be done).

Either way all the important bits can be set from the front panel without a computer, nor does it need to be tethered to a computer to operate.

They pop up on eBay pretty often. You shouldn't have to pay more than £75 fo the parallel version, maybe £125 tops for the USB.

I've had one or two with noisy/failing power supplies so ask, "Is the transformer buzzy?", as replacements are unavailable.

Despite being 20 years old it remains a brilliant option for connecting a pile of MIDI boxes to one another without using a computer and if you're on a budget it's about the only option.



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So SO totally agree. I picked up one of these on eBay a couple of months back on a recommendation from one of our most helpful members, paid $150.00 for it shipped. Mine is in the picture below.

I dug up the PDF operator's manual, it may be able to answer questions you (the OP) have.

MOTU MIDI Timepiece AV USB Manual LINK = https://cdn-data.motu.com/manuals/midi/ ... de_Win.pdf



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Post by Bath House » Wed May 15, 2019 10:02 am

Not the absolute cheapest, but the one to beat as far as I'm concerned: https://www.iconnectivity.com/products/midi/mio10
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Post by rkilman » Wed May 15, 2019 10:06 am

xonetacular wrote:so is this easy to setup and use as a merger? can it work as two separate 3-4 to 1 mergers?

I just want to connect a couple different sequencers and ableton and be able to route them all to whatever synth/device I want. I don't want something complicated to mess with, just want to be able to have everything hooked up and select which sequencer I want to run what synth.

I'm thinking maybe I don't need a patch bay and can just run the outs of every sequencer to a merge box and just turn off tracks on the sequencers I'm not using, but maybe there are drawbacks of this I'm not thinking of and it would be better to have more control.
Yes, it can do what you want. Just make sure you get a USB version that is running the latest firmware. It is very easy to change routings or define presets for whatever routing you want. After looking at all of the recommendations here, I think the MTP AV has the perfect combination of price, features, and ease of use.

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Post by xonetacular » Wed May 15, 2019 10:17 am

Bath House wrote:Not the absolute cheapest, but the one to beat as far as I'm concerned: https://www.iconnectivity.com/products/midi/mio10
damn that looks nice, and not that terrible at $300. looks like it needs computer to configure settings, but might not be that bad since the software is modern.


the motu looks interesting for half the price but I've had bad experience buying vintage motu before

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Post by xonetacular » Thu May 16, 2019 10:41 am

I cant find it but I thought I saw a video from superbooth where kenton was showing some new super midi patchbay

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Post by xonetacular » Thu May 16, 2019 4:13 pm

it wasnt a video it was a gs post, kenton just released info
You're welcome to share these photos online, although please be aware that we retain the copyright.

I'd also like to reinforce that these are pictures of a prototype unit
and do not necessarily reflect the complete feature set or fit and
finish of the final shipping product.

Here's some more information about the product. Again, this is how it is
at the moment and things may change in the shipping product.

- 8x DIN MIDI inputs and outputs. All 8 I/Os are on the back panel, but
I/O 7 & 8 are also duplicated on the front. Whether the unit will use
the front or back inputs for 7 & 8 is set in the options.

- 4x USB 'host' ports - much like our Midi USB Host product, these can
host a class-compliant USB MIDI peripheral. The Interchanger supports up
to 4x USB MIDI devices at once.

- 1x USB 'device' port - this allows the Interchanger to be connected to
a computer and appears to the computer as 4x pairs of MIDI inputs and
outputs, which can be used in the Interchanger's routing matrix.

- 16x16 internal routing matrix. Any combination of inputs can be routed
to any combination of outputs; with merging, filtering, and MIDI
transform operations.

- Fully programmable on the unit itself (as well as via a planned editor
program). Up to 128 programs can be stored and recalled, as well as 128
scenes. The current program / scene number is displayed on its own
7-segment display for maximum visibility.

- Unit can send out a full set of program changes for each scene.

- Dual assignable footswitch inputs, can be configured to step through
scenes for example.

- Names can be assigned to programs, scenes and maybe MIDI ports.

- The ability to link multiple units together to expand the routing
matrix is something we plan to implement, however we are not yet fully
decided on how multiple units will connect together. This may be an
additional port on the back of the unit.

- 1U rack unit with removable ears.

There will no doubt be other things it can do, but these are the main
things we were telling people at the Superbooth show. We're hoping to
have these in production in 3 months time, and the price is currently
somewhere in the region of £350 + VAT.

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Post by submute » Thu May 16, 2019 6:54 pm

Why are all these things so old? Doesn't anyone make any of these kinds of devices any longer? They are so helpful and versatile. I don't get why you have to buy some piece of gear from 15 years ago to do MIDI routing..

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Post by JankySwitch » Fri May 17, 2019 8:51 am

Mio4 and Mio10.

The 4 has 4 pairs of Din Midi in/out and the 10 has 10 pairs.
They both support USB midi too (one directly or many with a powered hub)
They both support Ethernet midi too...
You can connect two computers at one time too.
They are class compliant and work with Linux too (and there is an open source editor for them too).

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Post by CF3 » Fri May 17, 2019 9:21 am

submute wrote:Why are all these things so old? Doesn't anyone make any of these kinds of devices any longer? They are so helpful and versatile. I don't get why you have to buy some piece of gear from 15 years ago to do MIDI routing..
Because we are currently living in the MIDI Dark Ages. Have you seen the MIDI spec on current synthesizers (sequencers, drummachines, etc)? :picard:

Gotta say though, that new Kenton patchbay is looking nice. iConnectivity does a decent job too, but I’ve had some issues with the software side of their products.

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Post by CF3 » Fri May 17, 2019 9:40 am

I also wonder what generation of USB the new Kenton supports? Hopefully USB 3.0 coming from a computer. I know the Alyseum U3-88c does.

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Post by UnderDriven » Fri May 17, 2019 9:04 pm

Another recommendation for the iConnectivity Mio series. I have the mio4, which only has 4 pairs of DIN, but it also has a USB host port so any class compliant USB device can be attached--and up to 8 USB devices with a compatible hub (a powered one is preferred for multiple devices). I have my Beatstep Pro, Microbrute, and Tomcat connected to the host port via a hub so I can free up the DIN ports for my other synths.

Dual computer USB ports means that the Mio can communicate with a PC and an iPad at the same time, so it's very flexible in connecting all my devices to each other. I guess you would need the Mio10 with so many DIN devices, unless you have some class compliant DIN-to-USB adapters which would allow you to use the host ports for DIN connectivity (and then you would also need a hub, of course).

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Post by MacroDX » Fri May 24, 2019 1:55 am

I am wondering why nobody has mentioned the Miditemp MP44 or 88 yet. They should be no more than 200 bucks used and they can do anything that is possible regarding routing and filtering.
Although I find the announcement of the Kenton Interchanger quite promising I personally have no need for another MIDI router since I got my MP88.
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Post by Panason » Fri May 24, 2019 4:14 am

xonetacular wrote: I just want to connect a couple different sequencers and ableton and be able to route them all to whatever synth/device I want. I don't want something complicated to mess with, just want to be able to have everything hooked up and select which sequencer I want to run what synth.
You don't need a patch bay...

The Mio sucks... This doesn't help the OP but if you're using a computer I recommend the ESI 4 in/4 out MIDI Interface ( no need for the new USB 3 version). Just plug your sequencers to the inputs and then select which one you want to use from the DAW. The ESI has better timing than the MIO in my experience. It uses a chip that supports MIDI time-stamping , which Live also supports.

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Post by beautyofdecay_ » Fri May 24, 2019 4:59 am

I use Roland A-880 and Yamaha MJC-8 MIDI patchbays.
Both have 8 inputs and 8 outputs and are very easy to configure.
However, they do not have a USB interface for direct connection to your computer.

The A-880 has 2 MIDI IN/OUT on the front panel. The MJC-8 has all MIDI connections on the back.
You should be able to find them for about $100 max.

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Post by xonetacular » Fri May 24, 2019 7:45 am

Panason wrote:
xonetacular wrote: I just want to connect a couple different sequencers and ableton and be able to route them all to whatever synth/device I want. I don't want something complicated to mess with, just want to be able to have everything hooked up and select which sequencer I want to run what synth.
You don't need a patch bay...

The Mio sucks... This doesn't help the OP but if you're using a computer I recommend the ESI 4 in/4 out MIDI Interface ( no need for the new USB 3 version). Just plug your sequencers to the inputs and then select which one you want to use from the DAW. The ESI has better timing than the MIO in my experience. It uses a chip that supports MIDI time-stamping , which Live also supports.
Oh no I don't want to run my hardware sequencers into ableton and don't plan to do most sequencing with ableton. I want to be be able to sequence with ableton as a 3rd/4th sequencer occasionally.

The Squid can drag and drop patterns to your DAW so I would just like the option to do that and have it running along in sync with my other sequencers.

So I would want midi out from ableton (synced through erm multiclock), midi outs from SE engine, and midi outs from Squid all be able to be routed/merged to any of my synths.

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Post by gminorcoles » Sat May 25, 2019 5:09 am

Edirol um550 or um880 no computer needed solid timing

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Post by oldgearguy » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:37 am

There's another potential solution on the horizon.

The guys that made the NDLR have come up with a MIDI patchbay with a lot of DIN, USB, and 1/8" connectivity:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/th ... =user_menu

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Post by sutekina bipu-on » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:18 am

opcode systems midi interfaces sell for pennies all the time and work fine as thru boxes

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Post by jules » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:40 am

New kid on the block:

https://blokas.io/midihub/

Really multifunction.
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Post by zenbob » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:38 pm

oldgearguy wrote:There's another potential solution on the horizon.

The guys that made the NDLR have come up with a MIDI patchbay with a lot of DIN, USB, and 1/8" connectivity:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/th ... =user_menu
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Post by fac » Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:38 pm

I'm currently using a Roland A880. No computer needed and it's very easy and fast to program from the front panel. However, it cannot be used as a MIDI interface, so it's more adequate for a fully-hardware rig.

I also have one of the old Midiman Midisport 8x8/s, which, as others have said, cannot be used in any modern OS, but it does have a standalone "thru" mode which routes every input to every output. I hang on to it because often it is all I need to share a MIDI clock with multiple grooveboxes, or the output from a single sequencer to multiple synths.

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