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thoughts on this second case
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lisa
Five months ago I decided to stop buying modules. It has worked out well; I've kept making music and I haven't put even a tenth as much time into researching gear as I did before. When I decided to stop I said that my EP-420 rack is as big as I'd ever want to go and that I'm not at all lured by the notion of having several racks at hand when I'm patching.

So, what has changed? Nothing, really. I still don't want a bigger case and I still don't want to patch between cases. What I am feeling drawn to though, since this Eurorack thing has been such a blast for me, is to have another case placed in a separate location in my future house. The point being that I can choose which setup I want to use whenever I want to patch or, when one case is occupied with a patch that I don't want to scratch and I don't want to finalize in that very moment, I can use the other.

I'll be making the same type of simple, melodic stuff with the new case as I am with my current one. However, I'm thinking that I'll try to keep duplicates of modules between the cases to an absolute minimum (Pamela's New Workout will probably be the only exception). I'm syncing drum machines to my current case and I'd like drums to be self-contained in the new case. Other than that I'm open to ideas.

As you know, this is my current case: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/713567

And this is what I've thought of as a setup for the next case:



https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/906172

As you can see I'm aiming to get 2-3 voices and drums from each patch. As always I'll record separate sounds and do the mixing and adding effects in my DAW.

Thoughts? What is it lacking? Do you think there's to much of anything?
cptnal
Sounds like a fun project.

A lot of functionally dense modules in there, which is probably what you want from a smaller case. I'm wondering how you'll manage the transition. If you put that case in front of me fully formed I'd be piddling about for the longest time until I got the hang of everything, and I know you prefer to be driven by results...

If I were doing the same exercise I think I'd decant a few of my favourites into the new case and acquire each module separately, gradually replacing old with new as I learned them.
foliephonics
WOW ! I stopped counting the patch points on the first row after reaching 100 ! hihi
Indeed very dense and fun looking, as cptnal wrote.

No advice to give, nothing obvious to my noobish eyes, but please tell me how you're going to interface with your DAW ?

I'm curious : do you plan to purchase everything at once, or little by little, giving yourself time to change plans along the way ?
Joe.
I'd love some MAZE but the price is just ridiculous, particularly as you'd need 2-3 for most patch switchups.

How were you planning on using just one?
JohnLRice
Looks like a fun system! SlayerBadger! At a quick glance maybe a little heavy on sequencers and a little light on mixers, attenuators, utility stuff? hmmm..... I love sequencers though! w00t

Kudos to sticking to one system (until now hihi ) and a word of caution that I'm sure you are well aware of. Deciding between using one of two systems isn't too hard, the problems will creep in when you realize that you want to use some to the modules from both systems at the same time, and then both cases end up in the same room, and then you start wishing to have a small case in that other room again. Maybe you'll get a large case and combine most of all your modules into and make fun little systems in the two smaller cases, repeat that for enough years with enough funds and you might end up like me barely getting music done anymore because of the inability to decide which system(s) to use. Dead Banana (I'm taking a break from working on my 12th modular setup oops Dead Banana d'oh! )
D_Robot
JohnLRice wrote:
Looks like a fun system! SlayerBadger! At a quick glance maybe a little heavy on sequencers and a little light on mixers, attenuators, utility stuff? hmmm..... I love sequencers though! w00t

Kudos to sticking to one system (until now hihi ) and a word of caution that I'm sure you are well aware of. Deciding between using one of two systems isn't too hard, the problems will creep in when you realize that you want to use some to the modules from both systems at the same time, and then both cases end up in the same room, and then you start wishing to have a small case in that other room again. Maybe you'll get a large case and combine most of all your modules into and make fun little systems in the two smaller cases, repeat that for enough years with enough funds and you might end up like me barely getting music done anymore because of the inability to decide which system(s) to use. Dead Banana (I'm taking a break from working on my 12th modular setup oops Dead Banana d'oh! )


I'll mirror JohnLRice's comments here as I have gone this route. However, I think that I have managed to avoid the worst of the pitfalls in a number of ways.

I thought long and hard about the module choices I made so that the case met what I wanted in a fully self contained system. Every thought process was about ensuring it became a complete self contained instrument that encourages me to learn how to play it. As opposed to a collection of interesting modules that might be fun to sit together in a separate case.

Having a large desk that allows me to arrange my cases as I want means I can add the standalone to my set up with minimal fuss. However,
I discipline myself to put it back in the cupboard when I'm finished with it so I maintain the illusion that it is a complete instrument in it's own right. It might sound a bit silly but it works for me hihi

As I tend to use the standalone synth sitting on the floor (I mentioned the joy of bean bags in another thread) using an amp stand to support the case. I find having a change of scene when wiggling is very rewarding. Enough so that it was worth taking the risk of ending up with a dose of case bloat zombie
lisa
cptnal wrote:
A lot of functionally dense modules in there, which is probably what you want from a smaller case.

Ah, no. I can see that this picture is a bit misleading. I've actually thought about getting another EP-420 but as a first step (with several sub steps) and something more graspable I boiled it down to 6U 104hp. There are tons more modules that I remember being interested in but ultimately decided against in my first rack that might be in question again for this one.

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I'm wondering how you'll manage the transition. If you put that case in front of me fully formed I'd be piddling about for the longest time until I got the hang of everything, and I know you prefer to be driven by results...

If I were doing the same exercise I think I'd decant a few of my favourites into the new case and acquire each module separately, gradually replacing old with new as I learned them.

Good point! My current case was, as you know, put together piece by piece while I was using it. In my view it's perfect so I don't want to take anything out to fill another case.

For the new case I'll simply get a few modules, make music with those, get another module, make music, get another module and so on. It'll be limited for a while but that really isn't a problem for me.

foliephonics wrote:
please tell me how you're going to interface with your DAW ?

Behringer UFX1604. Mixing desk with a built in interface for recording 16 channels at once. Love it. love

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I'm curious : do you plan to purchase everything at once, or little by little, giving yourself time to change plans along the way ?

When I put together my first case I bought a few modules and only allowed myself to buy another when I had made a track using my current modules. So it really pushed me to use the stuff.
Fog Door
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so you’re saying that you don’t already have a creatively unlimited array of possibilities using the gear that you have?


wink

Sorry, couldn't resist.
lisa
Joe. wrote:
How were you planning on using just one?

Well, I'm having a hard time gripping the thought of having several. eek! I don't know what I'd do with all of them. smile

I'm thinking that I'll send some different CV through it, mix and blend in a few ways for each patch and step through the states. I think it could be fun even though I'd have to force myself to expand my thinking (as you know, my patches are rather simple most of the time).

JohnLRice wrote:
At a quick glance maybe a little heavy on sequencers and a little light on mixers, attenuators, utility stuff? hmmm.....

This question made me think a bit before I realized that I view Stages as a envelope/LFO source in this case. So to me there's "only" Varigate 8+ and Marbles providing different takes on sequencing.. which, IMO, is just enough for the potential number of voices this rack could produce.

Attenuators, mixers and such are always sort of lacking but I'm thinking that it'll be fine since many of the CV sources has attenuators and Maze can be used as a straight up mixer. The Doepfer quad VCA can mix too. Yeah, it might just be enough. SlayerBadger!

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the problems will creep in when you realize that you want to use some to the modules from both systems at the same time [...]

Haha, I can imagine. grin However, I might be immune to this. I have several pieces of gear that I like and could be combining with my rack (like a 0-coast and a Quadrantid Swarm) but it never happens unless I force myself. I don't know why. I just don't like to patch between my case and other stuff. I can't find any rationale for it but it is what it is. seriously, i just don't get it
Rex Coil 7
(posted November 24th, 2018)

lisa wrote:
Today is exactly three months after I stopped buying modules and today is also the day when I relapsed. Drunk Banana

Selling of my hyper cheap Takaab LFOs (that I got in my last purchase and never really enjoyed) to fit Xaoc Zadar and using my final 8hp for Klavis Twin Waves. Now my case is 100% full and I can go back to sobriety, I hope. MY ASS IS BLEEDING


So now, with this 2nd cab you're on your second relapse then?

hihi

lol lol
DSC
Rex Coil 7 wrote:


So now, with this 2nd cab you're on your second relapse then?

hihi

lol lol


hihi
mookmoof
Do you like lpg's? I do, and especially for percussion. Looks unnecessary with the drum modules you have, but I think it could still be a nice touch in some cases or with the other sound sources. Lxd sounds great and only 4hp. Of course you'd have to make room so may not be worth it to you
lisa
D_Robot wrote:
Having a large desk that allows me to arrange my cases as I want means I can add the standalone to my set up with minimal fuss.

Ah, and I have a small desk which means that I won’t be able to combine my current and my future case without a hassle, which is perfect. smile

Fog Door wrote:
Quote:
so you’re saying that you don’t already have a creatively unlimited array of possibilities using the gear that you have?


wink

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Rex Coil 7 wrote:
So now, with this 2nd cab you're on your second relapse then?

hihi

lol lol

Yeah, yeah. razz
D_Robot
Ah, well, and like I actually need to say it but, don't ever be tempted to get a bigger desk... hihi
kwaidan
While Hats A is great sounding, I have not been able to get the accent to work. Actually, I have all the Erica modules, and Cymbals is the only one where I’ve had some luck with accents, maybe because it has trimpots. Unfortunately, the Hats A doesn’t, and when I send it an accent trigger, the unaccented hits do not sound.

EDIT: To get the accent to work, a voltage has to be present at the accent input everytime the module is triggered. An easy fix is to use a unity mixer to combine trigger and accent trigger. Send the sum to accent input. There are probably other fixes, but it looks like an extra module is required, unlike TipTop and other brands.

As for controllers, the Metron is very powerful with a number of features not normally found. For example, you can define triplets on selected tracks or even selected beats. Tracks are easy to mute, and you can compose variations. I mounted it in a Pod60 for easy programming.
pinkflag16
From what you've chosen, I've only used the VG8, Entity, and Belgrad. The latter two are solid, great modules, but the VG8 tends to be a love/hate thing. Great for drums, but I found it too tedious for CV. If you haven't used one before, might want to see if you can try before you buy.
Shakespeare
So this is entirely different from the direction you seem to be headed, and this system absolutely looks fun... but if you're going to make up a separate system, and put it in a different part of the house, maybe it'd be cool to make an even bigger leap, and try a different format entirely for that other system (if it were me, I'd think 4U). Maybe more hassle than necessary, but I think I'd be too tempted to just move the systems together eventually, which would defeat the purpose you've outlined here.
MarcelP
I think I said way back, about your original case, that you seem to have few VCAs - and I feel the same about this rack too. It must work for you and your style of patching though - so you appear to be successfully going against the "can't have too many VCAs" mantra. From what I have heard of you on Soundcloud the "lack" of VCAs doesn't hinder you from making interesting quality music.

Good luck preventing your racks from mating... My modules are distributed across some 5 racks that could each stand alone - but they don't - they seem gravitationally bound. I always find I want to patch in to that unique module mounted in the other rack over there...
cptnal
Why not make your new rack portable, but capable of being stand-alone? Then you have the option of running them side by side if you choose.
foliephonics
cptnal wrote:
Why not make your new rack portable, but capable of being stand-alone? Then you have the option of running them side by side if you choose.

... to go with your new desk lol
lisa
kwaidan wrote:
it looks like an extra module is required, unlike TipTop and other brands.

Top tip, thanks! w00t

pinkflag16 wrote:
the VG8 tends to be a love/hate thing. Great for drums, but I found it too tedious for CV.

Yeah, it isn’t my first choice but I’m thinking that it’ll make me more accepting of not being able to get my melodies exactly as I want them. It might yeld interesting results or, at least, some kid of different process.
electricanada
Why have two Pams when you could have a Pam in one case and a Tempi or a QCD in the other case?
foliephonics
...and of course all current plans will be revised after Superbooth 2019... hihi
(Yes, that Joranalogue Generate 3 does look sweet...)
lisa
Shakespeare wrote:
maybe it'd be cool to make an even bigger leap, and try a different format entirely for that other system (if it were me, I'd think 4U). Maybe more hassle than necessary, but I think I'd be too tempted to just move the systems together eventually, which would defeat the purpose you've outlined here.

Good point and not a hassle but I've looked at other formats and I generally feel that the range on offer in most formats is way too limited.

Buchla makes some real, uncensored synth porn but it's insanely expensive (yeah, even when counting the number of functions) and there's loads of fun Eurorack stuff that I'd miss.

MarcelP wrote:
From what I have heard of you on Soundcloud the "lack" of VCAs doesn't hinder you from making interesting quality music.

Thanks! Many of my sound modules has built in VCAs or simulated ditto. I'm still to try that "modulate the modulation" stuff using a VCA. Never tried it. screaming goo yo

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Good luck preventing your racks from mating... My modules are distributed across some 5 racks that could each stand alone - but they don't - they seem gravitationally bound. I always find I want to patch in to that unique module mounted in the other rack over there...

Hehe, I get the lure of wanting to combine certain modules placed in different cases but I've noticed that I dislike connecting my main case and my semi modular gear so I think I'm a bit differently wired. smile

electricanada wrote:
Why have two Pams when you could have a Pam in one case and a Tempi or a QCD in the other case?

Tempi is more expensive, only does clocks and only six of them. It also relies on some secret handshake button combinations which I dislike. I'd love to have no duplicates between the racks at all but PNW is my absolute favourite module so I'll have to make an exception.

foliephonics wrote:
...and of course all current plans will be revised after Superbooth 2019... hihi

Nah, I'm getting another EP420 in the end so most good modules will. fit. This is fun!
lisa
First iteration, methinks.

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