Novation Summit - keyboard version of Peak

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Post by Blairio » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:09 pm

Sound On Sound magazine recently reviewed the Summit and were highly impressed, both by the sound, but also the user interface, The review model didn't come with a manual, but at no stage did the reviewer feel the need to chase one up.

The Summit follows in the footsteps of the Prophet 10 and the Roland JX10. Both of these included 2 instances of earlier machines, plus a whole lot more. With Prophet it was the Prophet 5, and with Roland the JX8P.

Ultimately (I hope) nobody buys a $2000 keyboard without auditioning it themselves. Yes, the demos showcase the Summit's FX, but that has been the way since Roland released the D50 - the first keyboard offer onboard FX beyond a simple delay line or spring reverb. It is a good time for onboard FX, just look at the Klark Technic and other FX onboard the Deepmind, a much cheaper keyboard than the Summit.

The Summit looks and sounds great. The SoS reviewer was also highly impressed with the build quality and keyboard action. When it reaches my local store I will definitely try one out. It is a hybrid, hence the lovely glassy digital timbres. I would like to see what its more 'analog' side is like.

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Post by dubonaire » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:53 pm

BogartDestructo wrote:I have a Prophet 6 desktop and I’d kinda swerved Peak when it came out, then I kept finding myself super vibing off the things folk were getting out of it (rbeny on fire again!) which forced me sit up and take notice. Then Summit hit me out of nowhere and the thought of hooking up my P6 module to one proved too strong for me.
I have a REV2 and a Peak and I find they really complement each other.
Blairio wrote:It is a hybrid, hence the lovely glassy digital timbres. I would like to see what its more 'analog' side is like.
Not sure if you have read this:

https://novationmusic.com/peak-explained

At the output of the Peak it sounds no less analogue than any analogue synth to me, and I find the distortion circuit very useable.

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Post by BogartDestructo » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:09 am

Blairio wrote:Ultimately (I hope) nobody buys a $2000 keyboard without auditioning it themselves.
Yeah I get this but i think you'd be surprised!

Obviously I haven't had a chance to play one yet myself but I have already resigned myself to pulling the trigger based on what Ive already seen/heard. Also in this instance I have an opportunity to score one with a huge discount making it nigh on impossible for me to not get on board.

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Post by dubonaire » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:56 am

BogartDestructo wrote:
Blairio wrote:Ultimately (I hope) nobody buys a $2000 keyboard without auditioning it themselves.
Yeah I get this but i think you'd be surprised!

Obviously I haven't had a chance to play one yet myself but I have already resigned myself to pulling the trigger based on what Ive already seen/heard. Also in this instance I have an opportunity to score one with a huge discount making it nigh on impossible for me to not get on board.
I don't think you will be disappointed.

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Post by iSapien1956672 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:08 am

tehyar wrote:I told myself that if this came in at $1999 it's gonna be really hard to pass up. Told myself the same thing about the Matriarch. They both came in at $1999. Kill me now. :party: :deadbanana: (death by gas)
I hear you on that. :picard:

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Post by onthebandwagon » Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:17 am

Does anyone know if after the Peak was released if their was a long wait to get one after the pre-orders were filled?
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Post by dubonaire » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:33 pm

onthebandwagon wrote:Does anyone know if after the Peak was released if their was a long wait to get one after the pre-orders were filled?
I got mine 4 months after it was released and don't remember it being out of stock anywhere. If you do a search on Novation products it seems to me they keep stock levels high.

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Post by ___tomk » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:49 pm

Here's a video demo/preview of my Peak/Summit patchbank, released today:

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Post by Xtheunknown » Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:17 am

tenembre wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 7:43 pm
Panason wrote:I don't get the people asking for multitimbral analog polysynths. That would bring the cost up to the 5 digit figures I imagine.
No, it really wouldn't. Engineering-wise it's a matter of sending different information to the associated voice DACs for each multitimberal part, instead of sending the same information to all the voices.* It would require some development time and some interface changes, but not much extra hardware. (and perhaps extra DSP, if you want Supernova-style separate effects for each part). Some manufacturers have done it recently in analog. The Ambika, the DSI Tetra, and the Analog Four all did, and none of those are particularly expensive.

Manufacturers aren't doing it, not because of cost, but for lack of demand. Audio tracks are much cheaper than they used to be. In olden days the midi driven tracks would be added at mixdown, so the ability to get several parts out of a given synth was much more important.

Thing is, it's still really useful for live use, or layering, or percussion parts, or for hocketing. Or for weirdos like me who like to record everything in one go instead of piecing stuff together in a DAW. People need to start asking for it, if they want it to happen.

* [edit] I'm talking here about polys with presets of course (i.e. digital control), but that's the majority of them).
There’s one more huge advantage to having individually programmable voices, and that’s programming each voice to have a slightly different timbre/setup. Think of the Oberheim four voice or eight voice and the huge and organic nature of that kind of sound. That’s the big advantage for me. We have the technology to do it cost effectively now. I say bring it on!

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Re: Novation Summit - keyboard version of Peak

Post by RickKleffel » Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:37 am

..In addition to the reasons above for multiple-timbral {analog} synths, there's the glitch factor... Which is when different patches affect one another in unpredictable ways. I've noticed or at least, hallucinated, this on Elektron and Access synths. If you start writing in a lot of specific timbre changes in one patch, they seem to "bleed" into others. To me, this makes the whole thing MUCH more worthwhile. This might be a personal observation [YT is bonkers], but it feels like it can increase the Happy accident percentile. A manufacturer may promise the multitimbral world with the idea that very few use or require it. Those who do, or have the nervous habit of fussing, can find the results rewarding or annoying, depending on your mood or inclinations.

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Post by Carrousel » Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:39 pm

Finally got hold of one of these. Really impressed so far, the sound is unbelievable. Here's the first thing I've made with it. There's three synth lines in this track - the fast synth plucks and the big bassy lead are both the summit, recorded in one pass via separate outputs in dual mode. The simple high note repeat refrain over the top is a Boog. No post-processing on the summit parts, the reverb and delay is onboard.



Just a few small glitches so far: the synth doesn't send / receive bank change messages appropriately when local control is off. There seems to be some issue with the LFO lights - sometimes they represent the LFO frequency properly, other times they don't. It also doesn't seem to output the midi notes from the arpeggiator if I have local control off (regardless of the arpeg>midi setting), but i can work around this - If I want to use the arpeggiator, I just send in a recorded chord from my cirklon and leave the arpeggiator switched on - works well.

Overall I think I'm gonna be very happy with this machine....
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Re: Novation Summit - keyboard version of Peak

Post by nangu » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:50 pm

New firmware for Summit and Peak was just announced- maybe that’ll fix your glitches?

It adds user wavetables plus a really nice editor for them. The editor can work just in the computer, or it can update the wavetable inside the synth in real-time, running the wavetable as part of the active patch.. :sb:

https://novationmusic.com/en/news/wavet ... eak-summit

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Re: Novation Summit - keyboard version of Peak

Post by mmp » Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:04 am

In addition to the waveform drawing and sample to wave table capabilities, it also has the ability for additive synthesis with fixed frequency harmonics(as far as I can tell), but level and phase for each partial. A very cool update, all in all.

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Post by Carrousel » Sun May 17, 2020 1:22 am

One month in, I’m thoroughly chuffed with my new poly. No complaints at all - realised I don’t need to use it with local control off so the few glitches I had are no longer a problem (also came to realise you should probably never really need to use local control off in any circumstance so it’s cool).

Here’s a 4 track EP I recorded with the Summit all over it. In all but one of the tracks I’m using the Summit bi-timbrally and recording both parts in one live take.







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