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Novation Summit - keyboard version of Peak
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Author Novation Summit - keyboard version of Peak
Jason Brock
16 STIMMIG!!!

Rex Coil 7
Nice 5 octave kybd. Looks like it says 2,200 Euros ... that seems on par with other performance synths of that ilk. I wonder which keybed they've elected to use in that one? Since some of their MIDI controller kybds use FATAR beds I'm hoping it has a FATAR TP/9 or TP/9S.

"Dank onboard arpeggiator" ...... lol lol lol .... shit's DANK yo!!

cool
Bodo1967
Rex Coil 7 wrote:
"Dank onboard arpeggiator" ...... lol lol lol .... shit's DANK yo!!


There's actually a word missing in the text ("er" after "bietet").

That phrase in question roughly translates to

"Due to the on-board arpeggiator it provides a chord mode and more than 30 quickly accessible patterns, besides the usual options."
acidbob
I hope the peak will be updated for layer and split as well with a new firmware !
Rex Coil 7
Bodo1967 wrote:
Rex Coil 7 wrote:
"Dank onboard arpeggiator" ...... lol lol lol .... shit's DANK yo!!


There's actually a word missing in the text ("er" after "bietet").

That phrase in question roughly translates to

"Due to the on-board arpeggiator it provides a chord mode and more than 30 quickly accessible patterns, besides the usual options."
Nope ... it translates to SHIT'S DANK YO!

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol



thumbs up thumbs up
Bodo1967
Rex Coil 7 wrote:
it translates to SHIT'S DANK YO!


... and I actually had thought of offering help in translating the German info text if someone had questions cool .

Anyway, this info isn't by Novation themselves but either by a store or a magazine that reviews stuff. That's obvious from the first line.
tehyar
Bodo1967 wrote:

... and I actually had thought of offering help in translating the German info text if someone had questions cool .


danke
acidbob
I emailed them some time ago about adding chord memory to the peak, and also a eq or digital multimode filter
tenembre
ACHTUNG! Alles touristen und non-technischen peepers!

Das machine control is nicht fur gerfinger-poken und
mittengrabben. Oderwise is easy schnappen der springenwerk,
blowen fuse, und poppencorken mit spitzensparken.
Der machine is diggen by experten only. Is nicht fur
geverken by das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseenen
keepen das cotten picken hands in das pockets,
so relaxen und watchen das blinkenlights.
Rex Coil 7
tenembre wrote:
ACHTUNG! Alles touristen und non-technischen peepers!

Das machine control is nicht fur gerfinger-poken und
mittengrabben. Oderwise is easy schnappen der springenwerk,
blowen fuse, und poppencorken mit spitzensparken.
Der machine is diggen by experten only. Is nicht fur
geverken by das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseenen
keepen das cotten picken hands in das pockets,
so relaxen und watchen das blinkenlights.
... I choked laughing so hard ...


.. my face hurts ...


lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
hairbow
It seems like they added something to the Peak architecture. The Peak had three filter toggles - LP, BP, HP.

The Summit has four. LP, BP, HP, and what looks like the word "wave" ... ?



EDIT:
hyper

"Three distortion points for each voice – pre-filter, post-filter and global – in an analogue signal chain. Paired with an analog multimode filter per voice (12/24dB slope) with additional dual filters mode architecture based on synth legend Chris Huggett‘s design for the OSCar."

Page 10:
https://www.zampler.de/upload/Beat_Sooper_2019.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1L74ZdZ_ Toa9Gt8Pwe2H3AfZFziMzn9RScnd-1DIf5XmXLT5tXAQkbAV0

So that toggle is to use dual filters! So like serial or parallel routing?
Dave Peck
This is looking pretty good.
tehyar
Oof that filter thingy. The limited filter stuff is the only thing I dislike about my Peak. This is fun!
Dave Peck
Yes, I'm wondering about that dual filter thing too - does it 'borrow' the filters from voices 9-16 and turn it into an 8-voice synth when using dual filters? On a 16 voice synth, that could be a smart and flexible way to do it.

And yeah, all the questions about filter routing when using dual filters - serial? parallel? variable mix? Can you send different oscs to different filters?
acidbob
tenembre wrote:
ACHTUNG! Alles touristen und non-technischen peepers!

Das machine control is nicht fur gerfinger-poken und
mittengrabben. Oderwise is easy schnappen der springenwerk,
blowen fuse, und poppencorken mit spitzensparken.
Der machine is diggen by experten only. Is nicht fur
geverken by das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseenen
keepen das cotten picken hands in das pockets,
so relaxen und watchen das blinkenlights.


HAAAAAAAAAAA, well my hot noodles is now on the screen, thanks !
Funky40
hairbow wrote:

The Summit has four. LP, BP, HP, and what looks like the word "wave" ... ?

PHSR ?
craigie77
tenembre wrote:
ACHTUNG! Alles touristen und non-technischen peepers!

Das machine control is nicht fur gerfinger-poken und
mittengrabben. Oderwise is easy schnappen der springenwerk,
blowen fuse, und poppencorken mit spitzensparken.
Der machine is diggen by experten only. Is nicht fur
geverken by das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseenen
keepen das cotten picken hands in das pockets,
so relaxen und watchen das blinkenlights.


Cheers for the tears of joy
gminorcoles
Looking dank, vielen dank
SteeVtheRipper
THIS is what I’ve been hoping for! This could very well be the poly I purchase. It has everything I’ve wanted in a poly all in one place. I loved the peak but wanted a keyboard version. It’s like a Rev 2, Moog One, and a Prologue had a baby, with a little OB6 as well. Really fantastic! I cannot wait for demos. If I could swing this and a Matriarch this year I’d be a happy camper. Then onto eurorack....and a Crumar Mojo....and restoring my Rhodes, Crumar Ds2, and Fender Contempo.
Panason
Das ist de dank scheisse
patriciawolf
Hello Everyone! I was commissioned by Novation to create 78 single patches and 64 multi patches for the launch of Summit. I wanted to share them with you so you can hear how it sounds:) There are two files, one for my single patches and one for multi patches which are either two single patches layered on top of each other or played across two keyboard zone. Within my sound design I wanted to emphasize patches that utilize complex routings for the Animate and mod wheel controls, along with the new dual filter architecture. This synth was an absolute joy to work with and I plan to use it as the main instrument for my debut album. I hope you enjoy and thank you for listening!

[s]https://soundcloud.com/patriciawolf_music/summit-multi[/s]
patriciawolf
Here's a link for the single patches:) Thank you for listening!

Patricia Wolf Novation Summit Single Patches
h4ndcrafted
Ty , great patches. Winters come early.
patriciawolf
h4ndcrafted wrote:
Ty , great patches. Winters come early.


Thank you for listening! Are you a PEAK owner?
sduck
Thanks in advance for the summit patches! If they're like your peak patches, they're going to be fantastic.

BTW, I am in the process of saving up for a moog one, but this synth also intrigues me in quite the same way. Has anyone done a comparison sheet or such of the two? I'm seeing a lot of similarities, and of course quite a few differences.
Dave Peck
Cool patches, Patricia! Some of them seem to have some type of audio-rate filter cutoff modulation - how are you doing that? Does it have LFOs that can run up in the audio range and track the keyboard?
goldplate
You can have two filters in parallel... two resonance peaks, this is a bit like audio rate modulating a filter with resonance, but in better.
dubonaire
Based on my experience with the Peak this synth will be amazing.

patriciawolf's patches for the Peak are excellent.
h4ndcrafted
patriciawolf wrote:
h4ndcrafted wrote:
Ty , great patches. Winters come early.


Thank you for listening! Are you a PEAK owner?


Not yet.
shaft9000
If this is going to be anything like a 'VCO-based supernova 2' I'm verrrry interested. Any word on a timbrality count, yet?
The original SN2's multi-timbral setup and UI is still one of the best ever of any poly. You could have multiple arps/sequences running while freely selecting each timbre to edit and having full UI (including all FX parameters smile for each. Nothing else I've used came so close to a proper 'polysynth workstation' sort of hybrid; much more involving than any of the S+S workstations. Drums are SYNTHESIZED on their own timbral voice allocation (remember, with discrete FX-per!), and so the arrangement flexibility gets very interesting. I guess the virus Ti had some virtues in a similar area, but that one never quite grabbed me.

EDIT - ahh, ok. Saw the pdf link to the magazine article.
16 NCOs "...with 2-part split, dual and layer..." a la JP-8 and everything else that wants to be like JP-8/OBX-a.
Ho-hum; how interesting and unusual (not). I'd much prefer to allocate voices into groups of 2, 4, or 8 rather than just be corralled to only eight at a time. Dang, what a missed opportunity to make something truly special.
Oh well. So much for my "SN2 with VCOs and OSCar filters" fantasy.
hinterlands303
Dave Peck wrote:
Cool patches, Patricia! Some of them seem to have some type of audio-rate filter cutoff modulation - how are you doing that? Does it have LFOs that can run up in the audio range and track the keyboard?


On the Peak, oscillator 3 is routable to filter frequency modulation from the front panel. I imagine it's the same with the Summit.

Also, I agree - Patricia's patches are great, definitely my favorite ones for the Peak.
robinkle
I need to hear some funky sounds.

It’s been so much organy, shimering, glassy sounds.
dubonaire
robinkle wrote:
I need to hear some funky sounds.

It’s been so much organy, shimering, glassy sounds.


The Peak does great bass and leads, so google Peak demos and you will find them.
Dave Peck
hinterlands303 wrote:
Dave Peck wrote:
Cool patches, Patricia! Some of them seem to have some type of audio-rate filter cutoff modulation - how are you doing that? Does it have LFOs that can run up in the audio range and track the keyboard?


On the Peak, oscillator 3 is routable to filter frequency modulation from the front panel. I imagine it's the same with the Summit.

Also, I agree - Patricia's patches are great, definitely my favorite ones for the Peak.


It's good that a polysynth can do this at all, and it's very cool that it can do this without any menu-diving.
Panason
I don't get the people asking for multitimbral analog polysynths. That would bring the cost up to the 5 digit figures I imagine.

Probably cheaper (and easier to work with) to just buy more synths if you need more sounds playing simutlaneously... or, you know, multitrack?
tobb
Soaked in FX..

Do they want to sell an FX processor or a synth?
chvad
Panason wrote:
I don't get the people asking for multitimbral analog polysynths. That would bring the cost up to the 5 digit figures I imagine.

Probably cheaper (and easier to work with) to just buy more synths if you need more sounds playing simutlaneously... or, you know, multitrack?


tobb wrote:
Soaked in FX..

Do they want to sell an FX processor or a synth?


When playing live... having multiple synths isn't always a good option. I've always preferred to have it all in one box. To that... I like the effect heavy demos. I need those live as well. They're part of the unit, Novation has a long history of quality effect on their synths... might as well show case those as well no? PLENTY of raw demos of the Peak by this time. It's not like you can't hear just the synth engine.

I like the hybrid/multitimbral approach of this. It'll dethrone my Lead 4 as my live synth for sure.
tenembre
Panason wrote:
I don't get the people asking for multitimbral analog polysynths. That would bring the cost up to the 5 digit figures I imagine.



No, it really wouldn't. Engineering-wise it's a matter of sending different information to the associated voice DACs for each multitimberal part, instead of sending the same information to all the voices.* It would require some development time and some interface changes, but not much extra hardware. (and perhaps extra DSP, if you want Supernova-style separate effects for each part). Some manufacturers have done it recently in analog. The Ambika, the DSI Tetra, and the Analog Four all did, and none of those are particularly expensive.

Manufacturers aren't doing it, not because of cost, but for lack of demand. Audio tracks are much cheaper than they used to be. In olden days the midi driven tracks would be added at mixdown, so the ability to get several parts out of a given synth was much more important.

Thing is, it's still really useful for live use, or layering, or percussion parts, or for hocketing. Or for weirdos like me who like to record everything in one go instead of piecing stuff together in a DAW. People need to start asking for it, if they want it to happen.

* [edit] I'm talking here about polys with presets of course (i.e. digital control), but that's the majority of them).
chvad
analog 4 parts all shared the same effects with individual sends. had each part had it's own fx settings id probably have kept it.
gentle_attack
chvad wrote:
analog 4 parts all shared the same effects with individual sends. had each part had it's own fx settings id probably have kept it.


but but but Overbridge Dead Banana
tobb
chvad wrote:
[To that... I like the effect heavy demos. I need those live as well. They're part of the unit, Novation has a long history of quality effect on their synths... might as well show case those as well no? PLENTY of raw demos of the Peak by this time. It's not like you can't hear just the synth engine.


I can imagine sounds with fx on it,decomposing demo's with FX on it is much more difficult,in particular when the sounds are literally soaked in FX,completely useless.

I don't know where those 'plenty of raw Peak demo's' are,quasi all i watched have lot of FX on the sounds.

Would be nice to have several only raw demo's w/o fx from this new synth.

Always was very interested in the Peak ,still today i don't have one due to the FX demo's,so now with this dual engine model very interested to know if it has balls.
flashheart
Dave Peck wrote:
Yes, I'm wondering about that dual filter thing too - does it 'borrow' the filters from voices 9-16 and turn it into an 8-voice synth when using dual filters? On a 16 voice synth, that could be a smart and flexible way to do it.

And yeah, all the questions about filter routing when using dual filters - serial? parallel? variable mix? Can you send different oscs to different filters?

Re the filters, it's 2 x pole filters with a spread parameter - like the the original OSCAR. there's various combinations of LP->BP, LP->HP, HP-> BP etc. along with serial or parallel routing. this is all per voice.
tehyar
I told myself that if this came in at $1999 it's gonna be really hard to pass up. Told myself the same thing about the Matriarch. They both came in at $1999. Kill me now. w00t Dead Banana (death by gas)
cornutt
tenembre wrote:
ACHTUNG! Alles touristen und non-technischen peepers!

Das machine control is nicht fur gerfinger-poken und
mittengrabben. Oderwise is easy schnappen der springenwerk,
blowen fuse, und poppencorken mit spitzensparken.
Der machine is diggen by experten only. Is nicht fur
geverken by das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseenen
keepen das cotten picken hands in das pockets,
so relaxen und watchen das blinkenlights.


Wow, haven't seen this in a while! hihi It's been floating around computer rooms since the 1970s at least. (Back when computers actually had lots of blinkenlights.)
mmp
A Summit with a polyaftertouch keyboard would probably be my favorite synth of all time. My Peak just comes alive when setup for polyaftertouch and driven by a Roland A-80. I may end up with a second Peak just to create a similar capability, but it would be so much more elegant in one case, and more easily transported.
goldplate
Peak mkII with all the Summit features except the keyboard plz
mmp
That would work for me, too!

goldplate wrote:
Peak mkII with all the Summit features except the keyboard plz
nostalghia
guigui
mmp wrote:
That would work for me, too!

goldplate wrote:
Peak mkII with all the Summit features except the keyboard plz


Put me on the list.
BogartDestructo
Any one else twitching the curtain in anticipation of one of these? There’s some amazing sounding patches kicking about (rbeny on fire!) and it looks a blast to get hands on with.

I have a Prophet 6 desktop and I’d kinda swerved Peak when it came out, then I kept finding myself super vibing off the things folk were getting out of it (rbeny on fire again!) which forced me sit up and take notice. Then Summit hit me out of nowhere and the thought of hooking up my P6 module to one proved too strong for me.

Also I’ve been super impressed by how Novation seem to really be on top with updates and stuff for their gear. How long has the BS2 been out and they are still updating the functionality of it. I really think when this things been out 12 months it will be even more powerful than it is at launch.
Blairio
Sound On Sound magazine recently reviewed the Summit and were highly impressed, both by the sound, but also the user interface, The review model didn't come with a manual, but at no stage did the reviewer feel the need to chase one up.

The Summit follows in the footsteps of the Prophet 10 and the Roland JX10. Both of these included 2 instances of earlier machines, plus a whole lot more. With Prophet it was the Prophet 5, and with Roland the JX8P.

Ultimately (I hope) nobody buys a $2000 keyboard without auditioning it themselves. Yes, the demos showcase the Summit's FX, but that has been the way since Roland released the D50 - the first keyboard offer onboard FX beyond a simple delay line or spring reverb. It is a good time for onboard FX, just look at the Klark Technic and other FX onboard the Deepmind, a much cheaper keyboard than the Summit.

The Summit looks and sounds great. The SoS reviewer was also highly impressed with the build quality and keyboard action. When it reaches my local store I will definitely try one out. It is a hybrid, hence the lovely glassy digital timbres. I would like to see what its more 'analog' side is like.
dubonaire
BogartDestructo wrote:
I have a Prophet 6 desktop and I’d kinda swerved Peak when it came out, then I kept finding myself super vibing off the things folk were getting out of it (rbeny on fire again!) which forced me sit up and take notice. Then Summit hit me out of nowhere and the thought of hooking up my P6 module to one proved too strong for me.


I have a REV2 and a Peak and I find they really complement each other.

Blairio wrote:
It is a hybrid, hence the lovely glassy digital timbres. I would like to see what its more 'analog' side is like.


Not sure if you have read this:

https://novationmusic.com/peak-explained

At the output of the Peak it sounds no less analogue than any analogue synth to me, and I find the distortion circuit very useable.
BogartDestructo
Blairio wrote:
Ultimately (I hope) nobody buys a $2000 keyboard without auditioning it themselves.


Yeah I get this but i think you'd be surprised!

Obviously I haven't had a chance to play one yet myself but I have already resigned myself to pulling the trigger based on what Ive already seen/heard. Also in this instance I have an opportunity to score one with a huge discount making it nigh on impossible for me to not get on board.
dubonaire
BogartDestructo wrote:
Blairio wrote:
Ultimately (I hope) nobody buys a $2000 keyboard without auditioning it themselves.


Yeah I get this but i think you'd be surprised!

Obviously I haven't had a chance to play one yet myself but I have already resigned myself to pulling the trigger based on what Ive already seen/heard. Also in this instance I have an opportunity to score one with a huge discount making it nigh on impossible for me to not get on board.


I don't think you will be disappointed.
iSapien1956672
tehyar wrote:
I told myself that if this came in at $1999 it's gonna be really hard to pass up. Told myself the same thing about the Matriarch. They both came in at $1999. Kill me now. w00t Dead Banana (death by gas)


I hear you on that. not this shit again
onthebandwagon
Does anyone know if after the Peak was released if their was a long wait to get one after the pre-orders were filled?
dubonaire
onthebandwagon wrote:
Does anyone know if after the Peak was released if their was a long wait to get one after the pre-orders were filled?


I got mine 4 months after it was released and don't remember it being out of stock anywhere. If you do a search on Novation products it seems to me they keep stock levels high.
___tomk
Here's a video demo/preview of my Peak/Summit patchbank, released today:

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