Drone Boxes: Crickets, Cicadas, Bees, which insect is best?

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Drone Boxes: Crickets, Cicadas, Bees, which insect is best?

Post by johnstilton » Wed May 22, 2019 2:33 pm

A few months ago it was suggested that there should be a thread on using insects to make drones. I think making insect noises with modular is a much better idea.

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Either way, here is the thread!

A cicada has a organ called a Tymbal consisting of chitinous ribs which make a *click* several hundred clicks a minute, modulated in a cicada-sexy way produces the cicada song! It would seem like some sort of PWM waveforms could be the building blocks to synthesizing cicadas and other insect like noises.

Please share your own experiences!

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Post by wackelpeter » Sat May 25, 2019 12:14 pm

this recording i've made contained my take on a cricket and a fly buzzing around…

https://soundcloud.com/bastian-j/summer-meadow

to make it more "natural" there should be some variations (time, Intervalls, etc.) to the pure Sound... Maybe should have added two Crickets on separate channels somehow duelling in their performance and instead drop one of the bird Voices...

the fly was made with a sqaure wave pwm-ed (initially a thin pulse) and mangled through a BPF and VCA controlled with a slope generator which lengths were altered via CV...

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Post by MindMachine » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:30 pm

I have old ARP 2600 patch sheets I made in the early 90's entitled Flies, Flies II and Crickets. Flies II was more just like a hive of generic insects.

Modular is great for bugs and birds. :godzilla:
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Post by cptnal » Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:59 am

I'm thinking about the end of Eno's The Great Pretender, which may have been his trusty EMS... :hmm:
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Post by ranix » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:12 am

I like it when crickets chirp at 76 degrees fahrenheit

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Post by MindMachine » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:48 pm

cptnal wrote:I'm thinking about the end of Eno's The Great Pretender, which may have been his trusty EMS... :hmm:
Absolutely EMS.
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Post by jorg » Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:57 pm

Something like AJH WaveSwarm could help you out here.

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Post by k_dada » Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:34 pm

I think about the similarity between insect drones and modular drones sometimes - the night insects in NC are loud. It even seems like there is an irregular LFO modulating them.

@ranix I think he might have played this at moogfest!

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Post by subbasshead » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:11 pm

If its of use here is a cicada (NZ) played back at 1/8th speed
which reveals its rhythmic modulations

https://soundcloud.com/timprebble/cicada-eighth-speed

and real speed:
https://soundcloud.com/timprebble/cicada
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Post by umma gumma » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:48 am

I tried to install a microphone into a wasps nest, but I ended up running all over the yard & getting stung

I'll try again, when it's dark

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Post by chromakey » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:28 am

I love the idea, nature vibe drone n__n birds, crickets, rain, thunder. Two summers ago I was on a kick making field recordings and even reprocessing 'Environments: Dawn at New Hope, PA,' time dilating a high-res DSD recording of the LP. For synth sound design, Have you seen this thread? viewtopic.php?t=146372&sid=83204e1bb69b ... f4e0df4268

Here's something I recorded with binaural mics worn in my ears, for inspiration: (night insects) https://freesound.org/people/chromakei/sounds/399865/

One more (bees in Aspen tree): https://freesound.org/people/chromakei/sounds/400393/

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Post by johnstilton » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:35 am

subbasshead wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:11 pm
If its of use here is a cicada (NZ) played back at 1/8th speed
which reveals its rhythmic modulations

https://soundcloud.com/timprebble/cicada-eighth-speed

and real speed:
https://soundcloud.com/timprebble/cicada
After about a year and a month I am finally getting back to this thread and this link in particular. Thank you!

I'm getting antsy (pun indended) to get my lab back together after moving so I can continue to work on my build but until then...

I am thinking about what modules would be necessary and useful for creating "cicada rhythms" Some sort of a burst generator to make triggers maybe for a quick envelope generator to gate a low pass filter? Another ramp generator in the audible range and waveshaper of some sort to put through the low pass gate to make the "clicks"? What else?

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Re: Drone Boxes: Crickets, Cicadas, Bees, which insect is best?

Post by EATyourGUITAR » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:41 pm

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Re: Drone Boxes: Crickets, Cicadas, Bees, which insect is best?

Post by EATyourGUITAR » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:53 pm

Did anyone else notice that these cicada noises are actually the ideal kind for a reverse sonar system for echo location? The AM modulated gated sync signal is like the thing that synchronizes the beginning of a communication. It is AM gated at two different frequencies an octave apart. 1/2 speed if you prefer. This I believe is ideal for maximum distance under all conditions. The upward tone sweep can be used to create a signal that can be easily transformed on the receiving end to create a probability distribution of arrival times vs amplitudes. This would above all else send a map of tree density, insect density and distance to any other insect that can hear it. These are probably the 3 key things these specific insects need to have a cohesive group behaviour.
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Re: Drone Boxes: Crickets, Cicadas, Bees, which insect is best?

Post by emmaker » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:03 pm

Need to include frogs.

Bernie Krause has done a lot of work with nature and animal sounds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Krause

This album is done completely with sampled nature and animal sounds that have been processed.


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Re: Drone Boxes: Crickets, Cicadas, Bees, which insect is best?

Post by johnstilton » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:43 pm

EATyourGUITAR wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:53 pm
The AM modulated gated sync signal is like the thing that synchronizes the beginning of a communication. It is AM gated at two different frequencies an octave apart. 1/2 speed if you prefer. This I believe is ideal for maximum distance under all conditions. The upward tone sweep can be used to create a signal that can be easily transformed on the receiving end to create a probability distribution of arrival times vs amplitudes.
Oh I totally have got to try this. I’ve got to get my lab back together. I haven’t done anything since The Floods of May

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