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Trying to make crow call sound effect on Synthi
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Author Trying to make crow call sound effect on Synthi
Man-In-A-Suitcase
I'm struggling to create a crow call sound effect on a Synthi, have heard Jarre make a crow call sound on his equinoxe album, part 2 i think it was.

Anyone have a patch, settings or pointers to share to make this sound ?

Info much appreciated.

Cheers
Ginko
Are we like talking about a bird or is this some new-speak I don't know seriously, i just don't get it
Man-In-A-Suitcase
Ginko wrote:
Are we like talking about a bird

Yes a bird.
mritenburg
Here's a pointer to get you started: look into synthesizing the "Ah" vocal formant first. I don't know how easy that is going to be on a synthi. You usually need 2 or 3 bandpass filters running in parallel to shape a saw wave into the correct frequency bands. Use a saw wave as your glottal source. Pitch of the call is just the base frequency of the saw wave. The rest is the quick attack and long decay of an envelope to match the attack and decay of a crows call.
syncretism
You'll want some fast tremolo modulation, as well - there's a subtle, but unmistakeable "gargle" to a crow's caw that sounds like audio-rate modulation.
It's also worth noting that bird have a "syrinx," which is a double-valved voice-box. Essentially, one for each lung. So you might want to double up.

This would be a fun homework assignment; I wish I still had the Serge variable bandwidth filter!
Man-In-A-Suitcase
It is possible to do this on a Synthi-A. I aready have a seagull patch, it might be a variant of that! Just more modulation from VCO3 and probably filter as well.

But here is the [crow/bird] sound i am talking about from Equionoxe Part-2, it starts at 3:05 till 3:10 in the video

Man-In-A-Suitcase
No one?

The Synthi/VCS3 is the perfect machine for emulating bird sounds.

With no real replies i guess the Synthi/VCS3 owners on MW can only make drone or fart noises with theirs, what a waste!
cnicht
To my ancient ears it sounds like swept filter sounds with a moderate amount of resonance.

I’m not near my iPad currently to try and emulate it with the iVCS3 app or anywhere near finishing my VCS3 clone.

PS The iVCS3 is very good for trying out VCS3/Synthi A sounds ‘on the run’ so to speak Rockin' Banana!
syncretism
Man-In-A-Suitcase wrote:
No one?

The Synthi/VCS3 is the perfect machine for emulating bird sounds.

With no real replies i guess the Synthi/VCS3 owners on MW can only make drone or fart noises with theirs, what a waste!



How many Synthi owners do you think there are here, and do you think they’re watching this forum for posts to reply to?
bsilverberg
I actually tried it after first reading, and had to stop, it was driving my kid batshit crazy! I’ll give it another go.
cornwallradiophonic
[quote="syncretism"]
Man-In-A-Suitcase wrote:
No one?

How many Synthi owners do you think there are here, and do you think they’re watching this forum for posts to reply to?


and of those how many are masters of emulating bird noises and specialists in Crow noises i wonder.
MindMachine
There is another more 'crow' sound on this recording to my ears, but it is a vocoder sound. Your 'crow' sound is just a typical Synthi sweep w/ more slow square wave as far as I can tell - nothing special.

BTW - I have some old patch sheets of birds, electronic birds, etc. that I made in the 90's if you want scans. What I learned after a few years of calibration/non-calibration is that these patch sheets mean almost nothing.

MM
legionhwp
Can’t speak to JMM recordings but thinking “crow” in my head, I made this from scratch in IVCS3 this AM. ymmv but it’s got the basics:

ring modded OSC 1+2 into light filter and then envelope for fall. Slightly modulating vco2 and the filter. Decay setting and speed/amount of vco3 (as LFO) is very important. Bit of reverb for depth.

A little change in VCO or LFO rates radically affects the sound so flavor to taste.





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