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Trying to make crow call sound effect on Synthi

Post by Man-In-A-Suitcase » Wed May 29, 2019 12:39 pm

I'm struggling to create a crow call sound effect on a Synthi, have heard Jarre make a crow call sound on his equinoxe album, part 2 i think it was.

Anyone have a patch, settings or pointers to share to make this sound ?

Info much appreciated.

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Post by Ginko » Wed May 29, 2019 2:12 pm

Are we like talking about a bird or is this some new-speak I don't know :despair:

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Post by Man-In-A-Suitcase » Wed May 29, 2019 3:44 pm

Ginko wrote:Are we like talking about a bird
Yes a bird.

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Post by mritenburg » Wed May 29, 2019 4:37 pm

Here's a pointer to get you started: look into synthesizing the "Ah" vocal formant first. I don't know how easy that is going to be on a synthi. You usually need 2 or 3 bandpass filters running in parallel to shape a saw wave into the correct frequency bands. Use a saw wave as your glottal source. Pitch of the call is just the base frequency of the saw wave. The rest is the quick attack and long decay of an envelope to match the attack and decay of a crows call.

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Post by syncretism » Wed May 29, 2019 10:01 pm

You'll want some fast tremolo modulation, as well - there's a subtle, but unmistakeable "gargle" to a crow's caw that sounds like audio-rate modulation.
It's also worth noting that bird have a "syrinx," which is a double-valved voice-box. Essentially, one for each lung. So you might want to double up.

This would be a fun homework assignment; I wish I still had the Serge variable bandwidth filter!

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Post by Man-In-A-Suitcase » Thu May 30, 2019 2:30 am

It is possible to do this on a Synthi-A. I aready have a seagull patch, it might be a variant of that! Just more modulation from VCO3 and probably filter as well.

But here is the [crow/bird] sound i am talking about from Equionoxe Part-2, it starts at 3:05 till 3:10 in the video

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Post by Man-In-A-Suitcase » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:49 am

No one?

The Synthi/VCS3 is the perfect machine for emulating bird sounds.

With no real replies i guess the Synthi/VCS3 owners on MW can only make drone or fart noises with theirs, what a waste!

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Post by cnicht » Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:16 am

To my ancient ears it sounds like swept filter sounds with a moderate amount of resonance.

I’m not near my iPad currently to try and emulate it with the iVCS3 app or anywhere near finishing my VCS3 clone.

PS The iVCS3 is very good for trying out VCS3/Synthi A sounds ‘on the run’ so to speak :bananaguitar:

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Post by syncretism » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:11 pm

Man-In-A-Suitcase wrote:No one?

The Synthi/VCS3 is the perfect machine for emulating bird sounds.

With no real replies i guess the Synthi/VCS3 owners on MW can only make drone or fart noises with theirs, what a waste!

How many Synthi owners do you think there are here, and do you think they’re watching this forum for posts to reply to?

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Post by bsilverberg » Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:46 am

I actually tried it after first reading, and had to stop, it was driving my kid batshit crazy! I’ll give it another go.

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Post by cornwallradiophonic » Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:41 pm

syncretism wrote:
Man-In-A-Suitcase wrote:No one?

How many Synthi owners do you think there are here, and do you think they’re watching this forum for posts to reply to?
and of those how many are masters of emulating bird noises and specialists in Crow noises i wonder.

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Post by MindMachine » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:31 pm

There is another more 'crow' sound on this recording to my ears, but it is a vocoder sound. Your 'crow' sound is just a typical Synthi sweep w/ more slow square wave as far as I can tell - nothing special.

BTW - I have some old patch sheets of birds, electronic birds, etc. that I made in the 90's if you want scans. What I learned after a few years of calibration/non-calibration is that these patch sheets mean almost nothing.

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Post by legionhwp » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:32 am

Can’t speak to JMM recordings but thinking “crow” in my head, I made this from scratch in IVCS3 this AM. ymmv but it’s got the basics:

ring modded OSC 1+2 into light filter and then envelope for fall. Slightly modulating vco2 and the filter. Decay setting and speed/amount of vco3 (as LFO) is very important. Bit of reverb for depth.

A little change in VCO or LFO rates radically affects the sound so flavor to taste.

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