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SOS is teh awesome!

Post by Kodama » Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:29 pm

Edit: (and title change)

Just as a follow-up, I finally got to Dude's place & we compared our SOS's.

They are different, but I think mine is totally fine. I can get it to do some break up nastiness now (I think I was neglecting the input amount control).

The more I use it, the more I love it! Great module for everything from basic echoes to aggro delay madness! So much more fun than BBDs for me.

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Hello!

When comparing mine to a fellow wiggler's SOS - My SOS does not break up at longer delay times. Is this due to an adjustment that can be made, or a difference in components?

Sorry, I'm sure that this has been asked before, but I could not find the thread.
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Post by flight » Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:28 pm

The glitching-out should begin around 9:00 when rotating counter-clockwise, and delay should stop completely around 8:30-8:00. If your delay stops when Rate is fully CCW, then slowly rotate CW. The glitch point is where the delay begins again. It's rather narrow, so go slowly.

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Post by Johnisfaster » Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:32 pm

Hehe it's funny when someones problem with something is that it doesn't glitch out :)

I get it though.
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Post by Kodama » Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:20 pm

I'm not by it right now, but I could not get it to make the horrible wretched breaking up type of sounds that are actually difficult to avoid on Dude's SOS. Even cranked to the longest time (CCW)...

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Post by flight » Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:39 pm

Weird. Is this a new unit (direct from dealer, not pre-owned)?
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Post by Kodama » Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:06 pm

It's 2nd hand. Maybe I could try applying some CV to make the delay time longer and see what happens. I was thinking maybe there was a trim that set the max time. The insert still makes its awesome over driven sound.

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Post by HeWhoWantsJeans » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:30 pm

Hey Kodama,

Check [url=vhttps://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=196242#196242]the posts following here[/url]. I had questions addressing your concern, since I have a pal who had a similar situation. Maybe information in there'll halp?
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Post by computer controlled » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:40 pm

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Post by flight » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:04 am

Kodama wrote:It's 2nd hand. Maybe I could try applying some CV to make the delay time longer and see what happens. I was thinking maybe there was a trim that set the max time. The insert still makes its awesome over driven sound.
OK, I was wondering if it might be an early unit - one of the advance units sent to beta testers. But even those should all be able to glitch without CV. I'll have to take a look at it to really find out though. If nothing else works in the next day or so, send it to me and I'll give it a look-over.
But try a negative CV and see if it glitches at all.
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Post by dude » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:38 am

K, remember to keep the far right top knob turned up (maybe even almost all the way CW). that messed with me a while back if i remember correctly. we can compare em soon enough though. happy birthday motherfucker!

did i mention i was jazzed about the SoS?

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Post by dude » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:54 am

the insert knob is the one i am talking about

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Post by Kodama » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:09 am

I'll compare to dude's next week & report back. It's not a major deal or a thing that needs to be taken care by flight, I'll just check the info & run some tests.

Thanks for the replies dudes!

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Post by flight » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:49 pm

dude wrote:the insert knob is the one i am talking about
:doh: Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Definitely keep it cranked CW when not using the insert jack.
Kodama wrote:It's not a major deal or a thing that needs to be taken care by flight...
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Post by MrBiggs » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:04 pm

I'd really make sure you're not turning it too far. You wrote "even cranked to the longest time" which is actually turning the rate off altogether. You don't wanna go to the full CCW, just almost. It goes to about 7:00, but the glitch-madness is at about 8:30. It's a tiny narrow little bit, as Flight wrote. I mean tiny narrow. Like incremental changes miss it.
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Post by Madrayken » Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:19 pm

I love timbre more than anything. I love accidental 'found' rhythms almost as much.

SoS = Best. Fucking. Module. In. My. 9U. Period.

For the last hour:
I have had to pee.
I have had to poop.
I have had to eat.
I have had to drink.
But... I can't... stop... wiggling it.
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Post by flight » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:25 am

That's what I love to hear, thanks!
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Post by Johnisfaster » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:37 am

I guess this is as good a place as any to ask. Is it normal that I have to crank the feedback and the insert up pretty high to get long sustained delay. Intuitively it seems like feedback should do the trick by itself, but if feedback is full clockwise and insert is counter clockwise I don't get very long feedback at all. Is that expected?

Also, I feel dumb for asking this.. what am I expected to do with the insert jack? Take the wet out and run it through a filter and then into the insert.. ? or?

I'm loving the sound of this thing much more than the first time I owned one :) I bought it a long time ago from AH and for some reason just didn't click with it. Sold it. Bought another one in the BST forum and have totally clicked with it's sound.
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Post by flight » Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:36 am

Johnisfaster wrote:I guess this is as good a place as any to ask.
Works for me!
Is it normal that I have to crank the feedback and the insert up pretty high to get long sustained delay. Intuitively it seems like feedback should do the trick by itself, but if feedback is full clockwise and insert is counter clockwise I don't get very long feedback at all. Is that expected?
Yup, that is exactly how it should behave. It is explained on page 3 of the manual.The Insert control is an attenuator to prevent Inserted signals from overdriving the feedback circuit -so it is an attenuator between the output of the delay and the input of the feedback. If you turn it down, nothing gets to the feedback circuit.
Also, I feel dumb for asking this.. what am I expected to do with the insert jack? Take the wet out and run it through a filter and then into the insert.. ? or?
That's the basic approach: delay output to a filter or other effect, then the output of that external effect to the Insert jack. What it's called depends on what type of musicians or audio people you talk too; Some call it an insert, some call it a send, some a breakout, but it's just there so you can insert additional effects into your feedback loop.

I'm loving the sound of this thing much more than the first time I owned one :) I bought it a long time ago from AH and for some reason just didn't click with it. Sold it. Bought another one in the BST forum and have totally clicked with it's sound.
That's just the way it goes with most f(h) items: they can really seem dull and pointless until you've experimented with them for a bit. But then they get you! :) I'm really glad that you're enjoying it now, the SoS has a lot to offer.
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Post by Johnisfaster » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:26 pm

Imagine how much Ill enjoy it now that I actually understand it ;)

Thanks for the info, cant wait to insert my a199 in there and see what happens.
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Post by Madrayken » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:31 pm

Johnisfaster wrote:Imagine how much Ill enjoy it now that I actually understand it ;)

Thanks for the info, cant wait to insert my a199 in there and see what happens.
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Post by Johnisfaster » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:05 pm

tried it tonight, good fun and it sounds lovely!
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Post by Votek_Mendo » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:17 pm

Does anybody have good audio examples of this?

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Post by Madrayken » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:29 pm

http://soundcloud.com/madrayken/sosintoa-187

It's mono, but unadulterated. Fun++
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Post by Votek_Mendo » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:31 am

Madrayken wrote:http://soundcloud.com/madrayken/sosintoa-187

It's mono, but unadulterated. Fun++
interesting

would it be possible to make another one with a less noisy sound source?
A little Lpg sequence?

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Post by Madrayken » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:30 pm

Votek_Mendo wrote:
Madrayken wrote:http://soundcloud.com/madrayken/sosintoa-187

It's mono, but unadulterated. Fun++
interesting

would it be possible to make another one with a less noisy sound source?
A little Lpg sequence?
Um... that was a Z3000 slightly FMed with an LFO. I don't think you get much less noisy at the source. The fact that it ended up so noisy is entirely the fault/credit of the SoS.
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