Mixing 4u Serge - randomsource, loudest warning, STS, etc

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Mixing 4u Serge - randomsource, loudest warning, STS, etc

Post by Happyanimal » Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:21 am

Interested in Adding some LW 4u to my current randomsource 4u (4x4) setup.

Are there any differences or calibration differences in regards to what’s coming in/ going out of bananas on 4u of these different manufacturers?

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Post by FatRocky » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:11 pm

i mixed all those perfectly, no differences at all. Only LW needs LW boats. RS and STS are boat compatible. You have to mind the power connectors for your defined power supply. I use the Konstant Lab CIHLA. It has XLR sockets so all my boats are powered using XLR male connectors coming from the distribution boards.

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Post by christie » Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:44 am

At the bananas it's fine.

Power connectors and physical mounting where you need to do some work. I ended up doing my own power wiring and using wood rails for this little guy. As you can see the panels are not the same height and the screws are along a different line:

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Post by js213 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:11 pm

I've also mounted some CGS modules in panels that fit R*S 4x4 boats. Just made sure the power matched the R*S distro board.

I really wish R*S 4x4 fit in LW boats

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Post by a100user » Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:41 pm

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Post by syncretism » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:44 am

There's mixing within the same boats and mixing in your studio.

STS and Random*Source work off of 12v power rails.
Many CGS panels can be set up for 12v or 15v rails; you'll want to confirm that whatever you buy will work with your power supply.

Ditto for Stroh, whom I think defaults to 15v, but produces 12v modules on request - I'm powering my Stroh modules off of a Konstant Labs PSU designed for Serge. I mention Stroh because the bad producer sells Stroh modules in Loudest Warning format.

Lastly, you'll need to consider output voltages. STS and R*S voltages are mostly 0 to +5v unipolar and -2.5 to +2.5v bipolar. Some of my Stroh modules were customized to work within these ranges (the sequencer, eg - I find 10v to be way too much for my musical uses), but not all of them are. The oscillators, IIRC, output 0 to +10v unipolar and -5v to +5v bipolar, in line with common Eurorack, Frac, 5u, etc standards. There's nothing implicitly bad about this, but be aware that your modules may interact differently when you introduce them to an STS/R*S environment. I've been considering a module to step voltages up or down to make my Serge-related modules and Stroh/BugBrand modules play even more nicely together.

I have a nicely mixed assortment of modules, and they are a joy to use together.

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Post by luchog » Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:35 pm

I just picked up an STS Animate panel, and I'm considering picking up a R*S XL boat so I can add a couple of their 4x4 panels. Not really sure how to work the power supply for this, given the different connectors.

Was looking at the R*S power supplies; but not really sure how they'd work with the STS panel, if there's an adapter available or if I'd have to DIY one. I'd prefer an internal supply, since I'd like this to be as portable as possible, but that only appears to be an option on the smaller boats.

The obvious answer is to DIY something, but I moved recently and most of my gear is still in storage where I cannot get at it, and I'm not really sure I want to trust expensive hardware with my rusty DIY skills.

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Post by syncretism » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:56 pm

R*S power supplies work just fine with STS; the parts needed to make an adapter cable are listed in a sticky post in this forum, or you can get someone to make an adaptor for like five bucks and parts. Totally trivial! “Super-easy; barely an inconvenience!”

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Post by J3RK » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:57 pm

I don't have an exact time frame, but I'm working on an LW PCB/Module that contains a few static scale, invert, offset channels, as well as two channels of full processing. This will allow typical multi-format (Euro/5U/Frac/etc.) voltages to work with Buchla and Serge very easily. The schematic is almost done, but it may be just a bit before I'm able to prototype it.
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Re: Mixing 4u Serge - randomsource, loudest warning, STS, etc

Post by deltaphoenix » Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:38 am

I get that power and the right type of boat are considerations. Right now my Serge is all R*S, I want to keep my Serge mostly real Serge circuits although I have 555 and Donks 4x4( I must admit that I am tempted by a SWAMP and a panel that has an Orgone Accumulator, Clouds, 258 on it).
I do wish that I could get a few utilities that seem to either be missing or are in short supply via R*S.
Do the CGS VCAs (or Elby -I would be open to repaneling their EuroSerge) have that Electricity to their sound that the STS ones do? It is hard to describe what those VCAs bring to a sound but there is no denying that it is awesome IMO.

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Post by Sinamsis » Mon May 18, 2020 10:14 pm

Bumping this thread. I'm building a RS Serge system and I feel like I'm going to want more VCAs and mixers. I know you can patch around it to some degree, but I want what I want haha. Anyone have recs on this?

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Post by ear ear » Tue May 19, 2020 1:48 am

You could try getting opinions from folk who have built and used CGS506?
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Re: Mixing 4u Serge - randomsource, loudest warning, STS, etc

Post by Sinamsis » Mon May 25, 2020 10:02 pm

ear ear wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 1:48 am
You could try getting opinions from folk who have built and used CGS506?
Thanks for the feedback, I'll check it out!

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Re: Mixing 4u Serge - randomsource, loudest warning, STS, etc

Post by Xomrys » Mon May 25, 2020 11:46 pm

Sinamsis wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 10:14 pm
Bumping this thread. I'm building a RS Serge system and I feel like I'm going to want more VCAs and mixers. I know you can patch around it to some degree, but I want what I want haha. Anyone have recs on this?
I'm planning as well and also ran into this issue. based on experience the basic audio quality of R*S and STS is top notch, but both make it difficult to put together custom panels...

[also i think there is a magic in *not* mixing and matching, because everything is designed and tested to work optimally together, the graphics/look is consistent, and so on.]

so is anything being planned at R*S to offer a more fully featured system out of the 4x4, or individual PCB's, in particular I am missing simple 3x1 audio mixers w/inverter switch, dual CV processor, '73 lin/log VCA, preamp/detector, bidirectional routers, the buchla 245 style sequencer/programmers (like the sequencer 8-XL, but this only seem to exist in euro format).

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Re: Mixing 4u Serge - randomsource, loudest warning, STS, etc

Post by Prunesquallor » Tue May 26, 2020 3:54 am

Mixers and VCAs were part of the reason I'm getting this panel built by LW. All to Serge looks and specs. :guinness:


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Post by Dirty_Bill » Tue May 26, 2020 10:04 am

Prunesquallor wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 3:54 am
Mixers and VCAs were part of the reason I'm getting this panel built by LW. All to Serge looks and specs. :guinness:
That is a very interesting looking panel!

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Re: Mixing 4u Serge - randomsource, loudest warning, STS, etc

Post by lud » Tue May 26, 2020 10:40 am

Saw that teased before by LW - that looks an amazing buchla- Serge crossover!

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Post by Prunesquallor » Tue May 26, 2020 11:11 am

Thanks, guys!

Thanks to Loudest Warning we don't need to have to choose between Serge and Buchla anymore. I had the 258 oscillators in the Sing To Me panel so I decided to run with it. I'll expand the Serge side later.
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Re: Mixing 4u Serge - randomsource, loudest warning, STS, etc

Post by FatRocky » Tue May 26, 2020 12:29 pm

Prunesquallor wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 3:54 am
Mixers and VCAs were part of the reason I'm getting this panel built by LW. All to Serge looks and specs. :guinness:



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