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Waldorf Microwave in Eurorack...is there?
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Sanys
ay so i'm going to be waiting another year or two
ispeakhopelandic
i actually really like the digital filters in the microwave II but ay
Sanys
i thought digital filter in XT are ok until i got mw 1
Monotremata
Sanys wrote:
i thought digital filter in XT are ok until i got mw 1


Yeah but you're also stuck with just that filter. As great as it is, the XT still has more available in the sound shaping area.
The Grump
Monotremata wrote:
Sanys wrote:
i thought digital filter in XT are ok until i got mw 1


Yeah but you're also stuck with just that filter. As great as it is, the XT still has more available in the sound shaping area.


Yes it does, but none of it sounds as good (to my ears) as "just that filter".

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peripatitis
tbh I always found the xt filters more interesting sounding. Any waldorf filter I've ever heard was just pedestrian. The digital ones in xt were more characterful.
Shledge
I don't understand how a CEM filter makes it sound "unique", considering that similar CEM based filters exist in eurorack. There's no special sauce to CEM filters. seriously, i just don't get it
Sanys
it's not that CEM filter makes Microwaves sound unique. It's comparison of Microwave analogue lowpass filter vs Microwave XT digital multimode filter.
I prefer Microwave CEM filter. I'd say it sounds fantastic. When u tweak XT filter ..yeah..it's digital filter
Monotremata
Id bet anything if they had the code at the time you would've also seen earlier versions of those digital filters in the MW1 just like the MW2 had. The MW1 was the "little PPG" so it stuck pretty much to what they knew for it. Once that was out of the way (and they ran out of CEM chips) it was all Waldorf madness from then on out. They saved all the analog stuff for the Pulse.
sko87pro
Sanys, you could try putting the Waldorf NW1 eurorack module through the Doepfer A-105 (SSM filter used in the PPG Wave) or the Doepfer A-122 (CEM filter used in the Microwave 1). However both of the Doepfers are LPF only:

http://www.doepfer.de/a105.htm
http://www.doepfer.de/a122.htm
sko87pro
peripatitis wrote:
tbh I always found the xt filters more interesting sounding. Any waldorf filter I've ever heard was just pedestrian. The digital ones in xt were more characterful.

Back in pre-history (1997), when Sound on Sound magazine published their review of the Microwave 2, Paul Nagle acknowledged the analogue filter of the MW1 - but also praised the new digital filters in the MW2 for their sound and flexibility. I was interested in this because I wanted to understand the pre-millennial opinion of digital filters. It's worth remembering the context: DX and M1 ruled in those days, and people wanted that sparkling digital sound.

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Can Waldorf really make an all-digital filter that sounds as good [as the Microwave 1]? To my ears, they've largely succeeded. I might have guessed that this was a digital filter by the very slight harshness that sneaks in as you hit maximum resonance -- but then again, I might not. It's reassuringly smooth and responsive ... Having these new filters to choose from permits more delicate sound sculpting than is typically associated with a Microwave -- high- and band-pass sweeps cut through beautifully [SoS, July 1997]

In 1995, Paul spoke of the analogue filter in the MW1 in these terms:

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Notable features of the Microwave are its wonderful, big 4-pole filter, which is capable of self-oscillation ... In these times, when so many synths have a glorified tone control pretending to be a filter, the power of a real filter cannot be underestimated when it comes to sound creation [SoS, August 1995]

The MW2 and XT are closely related (the same all-digital synth engine) and have 13 filter modes which offer more options than the CEM filter design in the original Microwave.

The MW2 and XT are backwards compatible with the MW1. Here's a comparison by RetroSound of the MW1 and MW2, playing the same patches. Perhaps not surprisingly, the MW2 sounds a bit more crisp, while the MW1 has more low-end rumble:



Below are the relevant pages from Sound on Sound:

Microwave 1 - index only (December 1989)
https://web.archive.org/web/20150623024334/http://www.soundonsound.com  /Contents.php?Month=12&Year=1989

Microwave 1 firmware 2.0 - review (August 1995)
https://web.archive.org/web/20150607011751/http://www.soundonsound.com  /sos/1995_articles/aug95/waldorfmicrowave.html

Microwave 2 - review (July 1997)
https://web.archive.org/web/20150606082924/http://www.soundonsound.com  /sos/1997_articles/jul97/microwave2.html

Microwave XT - review (October 1998)
https://web.archive.org/web/20150606110702/http://www.soundonsound.com  /sos/oct98/articles/waldorfmicrow.html

Waldorf NW1 - Eurorack module - review (March 2017)
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/waldorf-nw1-wavetable-module


Here are all the issues of Sound on Sound back to 1985:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150629000747/http://www.soundonsound.com  /AllIssues.php

Here is the Waldorf history on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldorf_Music

HTH
ugokcen
I’ve got a Microwave 1. It is pretty special and I don’t ever see myself getting rid of it even if I could somehow replicate the sound in Eurorack.

For one thing it is 8 note polyphonic and that is true polyphony: each note you play has its own wave envelope. So when you play cascading notes of a chord you end up hitting different points in the wavetable simultaneously. And the two oscillators can have different start points in the wavetable, modulated in different directions, wavetable position can be mapped to key follow so that every midi note plays a different waveform, etc. etc., which makes the sound coming out ever so complex and interesting.

For a mono voice, I think Piston Honda comes close. But you could also try loading up the user submitted PPG wavetables from WaveEdit into any wavetable module. They sound identical to the raw wavetables in the Microwave. What I mean is that the gritty sound is baked into the wavetables itself so even with a hi-fi module you should be able to capture some of that vintage character.

Finally, that analog filter is not anything to drool over, but complements the harshness of the digital side perfectly. In a lot of factory patches the filter is used very subtly. You almost forget about the filter until you open it all the way up. I have read that it is a 4-pole filter but sounds more like a 2-pole to me. The word “smooth” comes to mind if I tried to describe it. Not punchy, or squelchy, or screamy.
Monotremata
I think the old 4-Pole they made was the same filter as the MW/Pulse in a little desktop box. I always wanted one of those but never did get my hands on one.


The MW2/XT's Sin(x) filter is one of my favorites. I think Im gonna fire that and Sound Diver up today hehe. Ive been making myself use my Blofeld more since I bought it two years ago and really haven't, but gotta give the XT some love again. Haven't programmed anything on it in ages and I understand the architecture now alot better than I did 20 years ago!
Sanys
ugokcen wrote:
I’ve got a Microwave 1. It is pretty special and I don’t ever see myself getting rid of it even if I could somehow replicate the sound in Eurorack.

For one thing it is 8 note polyphonic and that is true polyphony: each note you play has its own wave envelope. So when you play cascading notes of a chord you end up hitting different points in the wavetable simultaneously. And the two oscillators can have different start points in the wavetable, modulated in different directions, wavetable position can be mapped to key follow so that every midi note plays a different waveform, etc. etc., which makes the sound coming out ever so complex and interesting.

i think i will upgrade mine to Quantum sooner or later
ugokcen
I had my eyes on the Quantum ever since it was announced but now that there some demo videos of it out on youtube I’m not so sure. I would have preferred just a wavetable engine with more polyphony and more wavetables instead of trying to cram every type of synthesis under the hood.

I also don’t see myself dropping around $4000 on one machine these days. I like combining little bits and pieces - MI Rings if I want a resonator and Borderlands (the iPad app) if I want granular. And for synthesized strings, there is the Streichfett hihi

4ms wavetable oscillator is also worth a look because does 6 notes of polyphony and you can import your own wavetables.
The Grump
Monotremata wrote:
I think the old 4-Pole they made was the same filter as the MW/Pulse in a little desktop box.


The mini-works 4-pole uses the same chip as the Rev B MW1.
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