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Daveyp
Hi-
So I have been a heavy ProTools user for 10 years or so. But now I find myself making a different kind of music. Whenever I watch tutorials or just peoples videos, it seems they are using Ableton Live. So my question is basically how easy is it to crossover from ProTools to Live? Are they similar in approach at all? Will the learning curve be huge?

Also, is the ‘intro’ version worth getting or is it too limiting? Should I just go for standard? I don’t have a ton of money to throw around. If it makes a difference I’m on a Mac and I already have Komplete Ultimate. But I don’t know anything about maschine.

Thanks!
Dave
darwingrosse
Daveyp wrote:
Hi-
So I have been a heavy ProTools user for 10 years or so. But now I find myself making a different kind of music. Whenever I watch tutorials or just peoples videos, it seems they are using Ableton Live. So my question is basically how easy is it to crossover from ProTools to Live? Are they similar in approach at all? Will the learning curve be huge?

Also, is the ‘intro’ version worth getting or is it too limiting? Should I just go for standard? I don’t have a ton of money to throw around. If it makes a difference I’m on a Mac and I already have Komplete Ultimate. But I don’t know anything about maschine.

Thanks!
Dave


It'll be an interesting journey for you. A ton of your experience will be relevant; including how the mixer works, and how the Arrangement View works. Other stuff, like clip management and preparation, and rack setup/manipulation, will require a bit of work. There are tons of videos - and video courses - that can help you out with those.

But you will probably be up to speed in a minute, because audio is audio, and the Live system explains itself pretty well.

I think Intro is a great place to start, but it is really limited in the included content (effects, instruments, loops). What I often suggest to people is to find a MIDI controller that includes Live Lite (like a Launchpad Mini), and use that to start with. You will get the flavor of Live, and will be able to make a call about whether or not it makes sense to you. If it works, the Suite is in your future...

[ddg]
JAO
You can use the full version free for 30 days.

Try the lite version first and when you want to expand, download the full version and use for 30 days.

If you want to buy a full license after that, head over to kvr forums and buy a second-hand license for half the price.
jimfowler
Sorta apples and oranges if you ask me. I own and use both for different reasons. I’d say if you wanna make music with a daw then live is your environment. If you wanna mix music you made elsewhere pt is the choice.

Live’s UI is bone simple and very intuitive...moreso than pt I’d say...but there are plenty of similarities. For me both are indispensable.
Sinamsis
jimfowler wrote:
Sorta apples and oranges if you ask me. I own and use both for different reasons. I’d say if you wanna make music with a daw then live is your environment. If you wanna mix music you made elsewhere pt is the choice.

Live’s UI is bone simple and very intuitive...moreso than pt I’d say...but there are plenty of similarities. For me both are indispensable.


I think this is probably true. I started in Logic, and switched to Live. My buddy who I make music with was a die hard PT user. I purchased a license for PT but have really never used it as I have no clue where to begin. Mainly I haven't invested the time, as my time is very limited and when I have time I'd rather make music. So, having experience with two DAWs, I couldn't just pick up PT and run. Of course if I invested a few days I bet I could be up and running. My point is that I'm sure there will be a learning curve and getting used to certain conventions. We are using Ableton to write music, and had planned long term to mix in PT. My buddy feels like PT is better for mixing, I'm not sure why. But I really enjoy Ableton. Having dedicated controllers helps quite a bit for me. I use a Push 2, and have a Behringer X touch and expander for fader controllers.

I guess you need to ask yourself what is your goal? My transition from Logic to Ableton was for the incredible ease and flexibility of routing both audio and MIDI in Ableton. I never totally grasped the Environment in Logic. If I do anything electronic, heavily sequenced, etc I use Ableton. For my more rock based projects I use Logic. It's somewhat arbitrary I know haha.
morgulbee
Live is pretty easy to learn if you already know basic audio. The built-in help windows are immensely useful. I switched from Cakewalk Sonar to Live. The 30 day free trial was plenty of time to get going and start making useful stuff, but as with any complex software there will always be more to learn and things that don't work exactly as you'd like them to.

The video tutorials on Ableton's site are very good for getting started.
Rex Coil 7
I bought Live 9 Standard and a Push 1 used, spent about $400 for the whole mess. Changing ownership of the license was a very simple situation which the folks at Ableton were more than happy to help with.

There is so much with Live 9 that it's more than fine for what I do. I had enough cash left to buy an RME sound card that fits directly on the bus of my computer and patches up to the rack mount preamp via ADAT Lightpipe. I was also able to buy that Behringer 8 channel preamp, and a MOTU MIDI rack unit. So the whole works is rack mounted.

Plenty of DAW for my needs. Whole pile was roughly $1,200.00

Happy. cool


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Daveyp
Thanks for all the advice. I like the idea of getting a controller that includes Lite. I think I’ll probably go that direction.
Panason
Quote:
Whenever I watch tutorials or just peoples videos, it seems they are using Ableton Live


That's not a good reason to use it. This software sucks IMO, compared to Cubase, and is little more than a glorified sample player. The typical "workflow" is : buy sample loops, drop them in session view where they are automatically warped to match your BPM, and play around with the clips for instant gratification. I suppose it's good for remixing dance tunes and as a DJ tool if you can get around that godawful GUI. The built-in help window is its only saving grace as it makes it easy to learn your way around quickly but on the whole it is very tiresome in my experience. The Preferences window is particularly tragic...There''s just too many small (and a few large) annoyances to list here that sooner or later add up.

IMO, Cubase would still be number one in popularity if it was possible to pirate it...

Bitwig is an improvement on Ableton's formula if you're into that.

The Maschine software is really terrible, avoid!
XXXEsq
Cubase is my main DAW. I also have Ableton because many of my friends and several DJs I work with use it and it makes tings easier to have both. It's a relatively easy learning curve if you have prior audio / DAW experience. But it's limited. On the other hand, it does make an interesting live performance tool with the right controller(s).
jimfowler
"...and is little more than a glorified sample player."

I'm not going to get into an argument on the internet about this but it should be noted that this is factually inaccurate.
chapelier fou
Panason wrote:
Quote:
Whenever I watch tutorials or just peoples videos, it seems they are using Ableton Live


That's not a good reason to use it. This software sucks IMO, compared to Cubase, and is little more than a glorified sample player. The typical "workflow" is : buy sample loops, drop them in session view where they are automatically warped to match your BPM, and play around with the clips for instant gratification. I suppose it's good for remixing dance tunes and as a DJ tool if you can get around that godawful GUI. The built-in help window is its only saving grace as it makes it easy to learn your way around quickly but on the whole it is very tiresome in my experience. The Preferences window is particularly tragic...There''s just too many small (and a few large) annoyances to list here that sooner or later add up.

IMO, Cubase would still be number one in popularity if it was possible to pirate it...

Bitwig is an improvement on Ableton's formula if you're into that.

The Maschine software is really terrible, avoid!


I've been using Live for 14 years or so, and never bought a loop, is there something wrong with me ?
I honestly think that Live is a revolutionary tool, super stable and inspiring. With some rigid lines tending to push you towards dance music indeed, but that can be easily avoided. Max for Live is a great tool to get over the limits of Live.
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