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Pams New Workout - 4x Plaits - Harmonaig

Post by Tomorrow Sounds Good » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:29 pm

Would this work well ? Still new to this . Cheers

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Post by lisa » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:48 pm

Depends on what you plan to use it for. :)
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Post by sduck » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:53 pm

Yes. And No.

Depends. By themselves I'd think they'd be pretty static, but depends on what else you have, and want to do.
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Post by Tomorrow Sounds Good » Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:59 pm

I’d like to trigger them all independently with different timings

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Post by Arneb » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:15 am

And the Harmonàig is doing what exactly? IIUC it's not an audio generator, it generates CVs for playing a paraphonic VCO or something, and I think you'll want some kind of single-channel CV sequencer (or just a keyboard) for input to it, which I don't think Pamela's can really do.

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Post by Shor » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:38 am

Fwiw Harmonaig can be used as a keyboard, and it also has a gate output that fires either when you play it in keyboard mode, or when the pitch changes.
So technically speaking, one harmonaig + 4 plaits could work together with nothing else (provided you can output the signal somewhere, so either direct to mixer/audio interface etc).

If you want Pam's to sequence, you could use a random output on it and send that into the cv input on the Harmonaig, and Harmonaig will send a gate whenever pitch changes that you can mult to 4x plaits.

In that pam's way of sequencing, you can use other outputs on it as lfo's or whatnot to modulate plaits and/or harmonaig.

If you want to use pam's to sequence gates for the 4x plaits you will end up with pitches potentially changing while a plaits is sustained, which may or may not be desirable.

You could setup a way so the pitch locks when a given plaits is triggered if you use s&h (but you have no s&h available with these 3 different modules).

For this setup, if you are dead set on pams, harmonaig and 4x plaits I'd add something like MI Stages to give you some more control (this can also let you s&h pitches, so the pitch only changes when you trigger plaits).

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Post by cptnal » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:09 am

I reckon it could get boring pretty quick, but if you intend to use it as a starting point, sure. However, I would counsel against buying four. Even people who love Plaits to death probably have no more than two. If the whole point is polyphony buy a polysynth - it'll be cheaper and more fully-functioned.
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Post by pelang » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:17 am

i would go for: marbels, stage, 2x plaits...that keeps you busy for a long time.

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Post by Tomorrow Sounds Good » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:51 am

Shor wrote:Fwiw Harmonaig can be used as a keyboard, and it also has a gate output that fires either when you play it in keyboard mode, or when the pitch changes.
So technically speaking, one harmonaig + 4 plaits could work together with nothing else (provided you can output the signal somewhere, so either direct to mixer/audio interface etc).

If you want Pam's to sequence, you could use a random output on it and send that into the cv input on the Harmonaig, and Harmonaig will send a gate whenever pitch changes that you can mult to 4x plaits.

In that pam's way of sequencing, you can use other outputs on it as lfo's or whatnot to modulate plaits and/or harmonaig.

If you want to use pam's to sequence gates for the 4x plaits you will end up with pitches potentially changing while a plaits is sustained, which may or may not be desirable.

You could setup a way so the pitch locks when a given plaits is triggered if you use s&h (but you have no s&h available with these 3 different modules).

For this setup, if you are dead set on pams, harmonaig and 4x plaits I'd add something like MI Stages to give you some more control (this can also let you s&h pitches, so the pitch only changes when you trigger plaits).
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Post by Tomorrow Sounds Good » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:52 am

pelang wrote:i would go for: marbels, stage, 2x plaits...that keeps you busy for a long time.
Ok thanks will test that out

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Post by Shor » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:44 am

I second that marbles+stages+plaits combo. It's very powerful. Maybe grab veils as well and you have a full working system.

If you happen to have an arturia keystep or so you could record your own sequences into it as well and mangle them up.

However, I just want to say Harmonaig is a really good unit if you do want some more controlled chord voicings in eurorack, but for a traditional poly, I also recommend going with a proper poly as they do the job better and much cheaper than eurorack.

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Post by Jason Brock » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:42 am

Just a thought, but check out the Mutable Instruments Ambika if you want something that can be a poly with digital oscillators, and it can also be up to 6 monosynths at the same time, each with different settings. The waveforms don't cover as much territory as Plaits, but it's still an excellent sounding box.

To each their own, but for me this module configuration would not be much fun. You will have spent $1,700 to get 4 voices and the only modulation source is coming from something that only has one single knob and an LCD screen to edit (Pam's).

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Post by sduck » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:16 am

For a bit less than the plaits you could get a synthtech e370
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Post by Orange » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:30 am

4 x Plaits is still a lot cheaper than the e370. And Plaits is available :lol:

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Post by Tomorrow Sounds Good » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:29 am

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This is what I have now .

I plan to develop it further when I know what I’m doing with this lot.

Thanks for all your help :tu:

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Post by pelang » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:41 am

you know that plaits can generate very nice cords by itself?

Marbels can be used as main clock and generate groves and melodies?

Stage can be LFO's, oszilators, envelops, step sequencer, harmonic oscilator...?

(i do have Pamela and harmonaig and for me they makes more sense in a larger system...)

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Post by sduck » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:23 pm

Orange wrote:4 x Plaits is still a lot cheaper than the e370. And Plaits is available :lol:
Sorry, I was going on a poorly remembered version of the e370 price - but it's still some ~50$ less than 4 plaits. And perfect circuit has e370's in stock. Whether they're comparable in capabilities - probably not.
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Post by bibleblack » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:26 am

The system looks fine but with only one plaits the harmonaig seems like a really expensive keyboard.

For the price of the harmonaig you could get a arturia keystep, a vca (never have enough) and another voice module (possibly a more straight forward oscillator). Even at a push you could get a mult as well that would help bounce the signal; round the system.

What sort of music are you looking to make as I can't quite get my head round what your end goal is with your set up. But I do think you need to look at a vca in there.

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Post by Orange » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:46 am

pelang wrote: (i do have Pamela and harmonaig and for me they makes more sense in a larger system...)
I think Pamela is also queen in a smaller system. :sb:

@ Knob Head I suggest 2 more Plaits (if you want to stick to the same osc......) 1 Blinds/Veils and 1 Shades for that bad ass case. Also a mult.

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Post by Tomorrow Sounds Good » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:51 pm

Thanks for the replies :)

This is where I’m up to now and I’m starting to run out of money / finance . Got a few bits I can sell.
This is the best I’ve felt musically in ages , getting proper goosebumps every night .
Planning on getting another oscillator, probably not a plaits .... any ideas ?

Running two oscillator with Rene and Harmonaig I’m getting better results than I could’ve dreamt of :)

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Post by Tomorrow Sounds Good » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:56 pm

What would a mult do ? Can anyone recommend a good one? Cheers

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Post by Summa » Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:09 am

Tomorrow Sounds Good wrote:What would a mult do ? Can anyone recommend a good one? Cheers
I think you should start here;

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Post by bibleblack » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:43 am

A mult would just allow you to take one signal and route it to multiple locations.

There are 2 types to choose from which is passive and buffered.

Passive is unpowered and so you will experience a slight drop in the signal so if using as pitch for multiple oscillators the tracking could be off but would work fine for say an lfo modulating multiple parameters or bouncing triggers to 2 different envelopes.


https://matttechmodular.co.uk/product/f ... -multiple/

Buffered is powered so would not experience drop in signal

https://matttechmodular.co.uk/product/links/

Hop[e this helps

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Post by Tomorrow Sounds Good » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:55 am

I can use stackables as a mult no?

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Post by bibleblack » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:22 am

yes

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