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Post by EATyourGUITAR » Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:33 pm

open up the flood gates. hit me with that blacet stuff. RIP John Blacet. I think we should keep it going. If anyone has the rights to his stuff and reserves the right to reopen the blacet store then I will retract my request. I think this is completely reasonable and respectful since it seems like the store is permanently closed. I think he would want us to keep building blacet modules. maybe even improve them. I was about to start a frac system and now hmmmm.
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Post by soup » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:32 pm

Be patient. Blacet Research is in the hands of an old friend of John's. I would imagine it'll take a little while for him to figure out what's there let alone what to do with it.

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Post by sduck » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:45 pm

Yes, we need to wait to find out what the family/friends that the rights passed down to want to do with it.
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Post by BananaPlug » Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:35 pm

:tu: good to hear there’s a conversation going on. Would love to see the stuff in a more skiff friendly layout.
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Post by Reese P. Dubin » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:03 pm

Surface mount Blacet kits for the next generation please.
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Post by chachi » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:32 pm

+1, more blacet.

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Post by c1t1zen » Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:41 pm

Another Blacet fan that would love a new generation of SMD Frac versions.
Some wonderful and useful modules in his catalog.

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Post by EATyourGUITAR » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:38 pm

If the friends and family of John Blacet want to reach out to me for help with new PCB designs in SMD, I would be happy to work on something like that.

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Post by megaohm » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:47 pm

Blacet always had cool and unusual features and I really hope it is carried on.
New versions/formats/pcbs would be great and more people will see how good these are (and have always been!).
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Post by sizone » Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:36 am

megaohm wrote:Blacet always had cool and unusual features and I really hope it is carried on.
New versions/formats/pcbs would be great and more people will see how good these are (and have always been!).
A lot of the coolness is because of the format. Knob and input spacing, just the ergonomics and routing visualization from having a wider module. Even more of the coolness is because of the diy nature of it.

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Post by revtor » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:33 am

sizone wrote:
megaohm wrote:Blacet always had cool and unusual features and I really hope it is carried on.
New versions/formats/pcbs would be great and more people will see how good these are (and have always been!).
A lot of the coolness is because of the format. Knob and input spacing, just the ergonomics and routing visualization from having a wider module. Even more of the coolness is because of the diy nature of it.
Shifting to Euro kinda goes against the whole Blacet thing, and euro wouldn’t gain anything new by having the Blacet offerings. Now of course whoever takes charge will probably do that since that’s the $ thing to do, but really, the “thing” with Blacet was its availability only in Frack. That kept the systems homogenous. John Blacet was around before and through the Euro tsunami and he stayed true to course.

I don’t really have any skin I’m the game, it just seems sad to see another distinctive flavor of synth join the bowl of mush Euro landscape. Behringer is about to, leave Blacet alone.

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Post by Rob_C » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:39 am

sizone wrote:A lot of the coolness is because of the format. Knob and input spacing, just the ergonomics and routing visualization from having a wider module. Even more of the coolness is because of the diy nature of it.
Knob and input spacing and wider modules (and DIY) are not proprietary to Blacet or Frac of course. You could have that spaciousness in Euro if modules were designed that way.

The only certainty is that the Blacet website is down and modules are not being sold until John's successor(s) decide otherwise. There are no announcements of any kind of change in formats or movement to SMD. Perhaps if John wanted SMD in his DIY modules, he would have already included it. In my opinion SMD could discourage new builders who may prefer and enjoy and have more success with through the hole components rather than placing miniature components with tweezers. I'm guessing that Blacet's successor(s) will continue status quo.
revtor wrote:Shifting to Euro kinda goes against the whole Blacet thing, and euro wouldn’t gain anything new by having the Blacet offerings... really, the “thing” with Blacet was its availability only in Frack. That kept the systems homogenous.

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Post by soup » Sat Aug 31, 2019 1:35 pm

Personally I'm not into the idea of cramming Blacet into euro and don't really see the point. Frac is a wonderful format and most of my modular is mounted on Blacet rails. I hope that whatever shape Blacet Research may come back in, whether just a continuation of the old or with something spanking new, it stays in frac rack.
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Post by SoundPool » Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:05 pm

I always wanted to build some of the Blacet modules but just never got around to it. I'd love to see them return in some form or another, but keeping the original frac format/spacing to me seems pretty crucial. To me that is also what makes Serge what it is, Buchla, so on. Spacing, cables, fonts, colors, etc all do have an impact on how you use the instrument in addition to the design of the circuits. Not that anyone necessarily cares as we all throw our 2 cents in but for those of us in Europe being able to just get PCBs/panels and source our own parts over only complete kits can make a big financial difference and would make me more likely to finally build up a small Blacet system. If someone DID decide to revamp the PCBs so they could be stackable and fit in shallower cases to be a big more portable I certainly wouldn't mind, but I also understand that the larger boards are also about making builds/repairs easy for beginners.

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Post by EATyourGUITAR » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:04 pm

I'm down for 15v with SMD. I like the blacet power connector. some of the time machine mods I have here make the module better than it was stock. I don't want to repeat what has been done exactly. I want to blend it with my own to make something that is both old and new. people who do DIY should not fear the SMD. it is actually easier and faster to build things than through hole after you learn it. we could even sell stencils for solder paste with the PCB. that way you can install a component in the time it takes to drop a part with tweezers. the reflow is done in an oven or a hotplate. no one wants to solder one component at a time one leg at a time. we don't need to. that is the old way. no more hand bending resistor leads. no more deep modules. no more mounting brackets. I have to really think if I even want to do this since I am now working two jobs and also a student so it might not even happen till summer time.
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Post by sduck » Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:14 am

I'm all for smt conversions for the blacet stuff. The one big problem with the stuff is the huge pcb hanging perpendicular off the back - it would be easy to smallify them.
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Post by fluxmonkey » Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:36 am

15v power, and a power distribution system that actually works, is really what differentiates blacet/frac from euro. i wouldn't mind a physical redesign that allows for shallower frames, but please don't castrate the electronics
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megaohm wrote:Blacet always had cool and unusual features and I really hope it is carried on.
New versions/formats/pcbs would be great and more people will see how good these are (and have always been!).
A lot of the coolness is because of the format. Knob and input spacing, just the ergonomics and routing visualization from having a wider module. Even more of the coolness is because of the diy nature of it.
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Post by synthcube » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:19 pm

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Post by Rob_C » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:41 pm

sduck wrote:I'm all for smt conversions for the blacet stuff. The one big problem with the stuff is the huge pcb hanging perpendicular off the back - it would be easy to smallify them.
I think John started to move in that direction with his redesign of the VCO with parallel panels and less point to point wiring. Shallower designs would be welcome.

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Post by snufkin » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:36 am

I think the through hole designs with flying wires were better for old school DIYers who wanted to build in their own format or modifications. Not really bothered by SMT.

I hope Blacet continues in some sort of official form that respects his wishes and relatives.

He has contributed some great designs and was one of the people who brought the modular torch through the quiet period before the current boom,
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Re: Blacet schematics

Post by BugBrand » Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:03 am

EATyourGUITAR wrote:open up the flood gates. hit me with that blacet stuff. RIP John Blacet. I think we should keep it going. If anyone has the rights to his stuff and reserves the right to reopen the blacet store then I will retract my request. I think this is completely reasonable and respectful since it seems like the store is permanently closed. I think he would want us to keep building blacet modules. maybe even improve them. I was about to start a frac system and now hmmmm.
I hope someone does continue to take the Blacet designs forward, but I think your statement is fairly crass. Schematics were always published with kits, not available online and people respected this.

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Post by EATyourGUITAR » Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:38 am

I did say that if some has reserved the rights that I will retract my request. I can only assume that you think it crass to ask people to post schematics that fall into public domain. Please reread my OP.

Furthermore I will state that there are many many instances of things disappearing completely from existence when someone dies or goes out of business or incarcerated etc..I would rather see the information and synthesizers preserved rather than abandoned. Don is dead. The old stuff he did is only being made by DIY, small companies etc... All this new buchla is completely different. We could say that someone owns buchla don't do buchla but then his legacy would be dead and his contribution to the world would be erased. Clearly this is a mistake. Not because of my greed but because people do not want to see everything they worked for go into the bin even if they pass.
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Post by chachi » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:33 pm

the question i have is when you get a, now only used, blacet module that for one reason or another does not have the documentation with it, is it kosher within the established community to ask for a copy? i would never expect a schematic request outside of ownership to be provided by the community but...y’know...just cause i SAY i have a module... :hihi:

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Post by soup » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:25 pm

The basic manuals which included calibration instructions and wiring diagrams were always freely downloadable from the blacet site and are still available via the waybackmachine.

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Post by slow_riot » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:50 pm

Tom Bugs said it prettier than I could, talking about using someone's work simply because they are not around yo defend themselves is not the kind of respect that allows manufacturers to be open with their IP. It's probably not advisable with analog gear anyway because they are highly sensitive to bad vibes. John worked hard to maintain his vision through a market change that absorbed him. He was also clearly smart enough to determine his legacy as he saw fit.

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