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Erica Synths Pico System III

Post by red » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:26 am

Erica Synths Pico System III

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EUR 450 !


in Eurorack format for EUR 400



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Post by nolongerhuman » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:13 am

That is strangely intriguing. I don't even know why but I want it... if only to support the concept. If Noise Engineering would design something similar to this it would be my favorite thing ever made. I like the idea of small self contained "somewhat modular" systems by manufacturers. Pittsburgh has the Microvolt and now the VRL, Make Noise has the 0 coast, now this.

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Post by jjsynth » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:22 am

Looks great, I'm still sceptical about the price though. 450 eur sounds too cheap compared to what a Pico System II costs.

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Post by nostalghia » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:55 pm

Pico System III section starts at 5:30.
For me, the patch programming card feature is the most interesting aspect. Factory "style" cards like" LPG Techno", plus a user programmable card (6:50 in the video). Similar concept to the Buchla Easel program cards?

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Post by batch » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:54 pm

This is cool. You have to tip your hat to Erica Synths for the innovation.
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Post by mdoudoroff » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:06 am

nostalghia wrote:Pico System III section starts at 5:30.
For me, the patch programming card feature is the most interesting aspect. Factory "style" cards like" LPG Techno", plus a user programmable card (6:50 in the video). Similar concept to the Buchla Easel program cards?
Seems very similar, indeed—and oddly unmentioned. Were those Easel cards ever very successful at their original purpose? Seems to me Easel’s card socket has proven far more useful as a host to additional electronics.

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Post by Hovercraft » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:42 am

Love the concept and the cards. Especially nice for people starting out with modular. I know a number of people starting with the Volca modular, but I think this is a better way to start.

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Post by tomatoes » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:29 pm

For me the lack of drums, a better, longer sequencer (like the old-seq and trigg pair from its younger siblings), and that great little digital effects unit ruined everything the old system had going. I get they needed to cut down a lot to get the price this low, but it seems they've turned a funky little weird experimental techno system into just another bland semi-modular voice.

Anyways that's just an opinion. Maybe if looked at it on its own merits it might fair better, so don't let me sour it for anyone.

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Post by Hovercraft » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:53 pm

tomatoes wrote:For me the lack of drums, a better, longer sequencer (like the old-seq and trigg pair from its younger siblings), and that great little digital effects unit ruined everything the old system had going. I get they needed to cut down a lot to get the price this low, but it seems they've turned a funky little weird experimental techno system into just another bland semi-modular voice.

Anyways that's just an opinion. Maybe if looked at it on its own merits it might fair better, so don't let me sour it for anyone.
The system is fully modular, not semi-modular. Sequencer is short, but you also have sample and hold--so lots of possibilities with mixing. Berlin school artists did amazing work with short sequences. If you watch the video above, Girts specifically mentions wanting people to create their own drum sounds. Don't understand the bland comment--because of the lack of macro oscillators? The system is meant for building patches from core functions--like Buchla or Serge. I see lots of goodies--voltage controlled envelopes, LPGs, random pulse, noise, lots of mixing. Plus he's even going to throw in stacking cables. BBD delay--yes, but I can tell you from my experience with the Lyra 8, how a funky little synth with a BBD can be amazing. For the price of a single fancy module you're getting a hell of a lot here. My 2 centavos.

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Post by tomatoes » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:34 pm

Hovercraft wrote: The system is fully modular, not semi-modular.
Sorry, I meant more semi-modular in the sense of it acting as a standalone voice first, little modular second. For me it's really more of a difference in philosophy, but I can see where you're coming from.
Hovercraft wrote: Sequencer is short, but you also have sample and hold--so lots of possibilities with mixing. Berlin school artists did amazing work with short sequences. If you watch the video above, Girts specifically mentions wanting people to create their own drum sounds.
I don't deny you can do incredible things with incredibly limited tools (hell, we're all hanging around here as opposed to on some daw forum), but that doesn't remove those limits. It's not that I loved sampled drums or anything, but giving away a little freedom let the system ii compact things enough to have really everything you need right there. From what I can tell of the system 3 you just have fundamentally less room to experiment in making music and grooves, even if the sonic space is a bit wider.

Also a note on the change from the DSP to the (great sounding) bbd. It might be a better effect, but it definitely doesn't give you nearly as much ability to actually sculpt a groove as the four delays, two reverbs, and two others on the DSP.




I think this just boils down to a difference in how you would use a system like the pico 2. I suppose for people who saw it as just a funky voice with a few extras this is a great next step. I saw it as something more. It really was this close to the dream minimal hardware techno jam-box, just add in a second sequencer and some way to sequence structure (like a sequential switch), and it would have been perfect. Oh well, I guess the beauty of modular is there's nothing stopping me from putting it together myself :)

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Post by Hovercraft » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:51 pm

Yeah, probably not the best techno/groove box, but I see a lot of possibilities. I’ve got the Pico DSP-which is great. I think part of the appeal for me is not seeing things I already have recycled into a different product. But you’re right, a dsp with a few more options would’ve been welcome. I had the Pico sequencer, and never got along with it-probably too much in 3hp. This looks more playable at least. Sorta wish it had a quantizer, but hard to complain much at that price. It does look like 1964 Bell Telephone testing equipment, though.

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Post by Henfield » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:40 pm

I played with it a little bit at Knobcon. It is a great sounding little box, and the program cards will help a lot in live performance!
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Post by red » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:50 pm

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Post by diffrentstrolks » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:32 pm

I'm getting some MFB Megazwerg vibes from this design; these are the best vibes I've had recently.
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Post by cliffemu » Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:32 pm

I hope someone makes a digital card to virtualize the connections (and with a random function :)

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Post by matttech » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:18 am

just opened up preorders for these badboys :zombie:

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Post by Alphaman » Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:44 am

wtf..for what are these ugly huge cards for?

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Post by mgscheue » Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:51 am

Alphaman wrote:wtf..for what are these ugly huge cards for?
Patch storage, like a Buchla Music Easel. They’re not really huge.

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Post by Alphaman » Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:56 am

mgscheue wrote:
Alphaman wrote:wtf..for what are these ugly huge cards for?
Patch storage, like a Buchla Music Easel. They’re not really huge.
you can store the settings of each Pico module of the Pico System on those weird Cards?

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Post by mgscheue » Sat Sep 28, 2019 7:09 am

Alphaman wrote:
you can store the settings of each Pico module of the Pico System on those weird Cards?
Yep! I don’t know if you can store all of them, but that’s the basic idea. The module’s connections are routed through the card slot so by soldering wire and resistors onto the cards you can change the patches and knob settings.

Here’s a good picture of a Music Easel card: https://buchla.com/music-easel-program-card-5-pack/

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Post by wm.wragg » Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:04 am

Here's one of the Pico System III cards:

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As you can see it's laid out like the Pico System III itself, and as mgscheue said, you solder the connections together with wires and resistors, just as if you were patching cables (resistors for knob attenuation).

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Post by loafer » Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:50 am

I read somewhere that the LPG and envelopes on this thing are pretty slow. Has anyone already received their unit and can confirm this?

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Post by rolsteins » Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:26 pm

mgscheue wrote:
Alphaman wrote:wtf..for what are these ugly huge cards for?
Patch storage, like a Buchla Music Easel. They’re not really huge.
1/3 size of Easel's card

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Post by rolsteins » Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:27 pm

loafer wrote:I read somewhere that the LPG and envelopes on this thing are pretty slow. Has anyone already received their unit and can confirm this?
quite normal envelopes - you can do percussions easy

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Post by Capt. Morgan » Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:40 pm

So I just got mine... and something is strange... my lfo on the sine out of the mod section sounds like a pulse and not an lfo... also things sound kind of dirty and distorted no matter how I patch and twiddle the knobs... help?

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