Easel Command/208C available for pre-order on Kickstarter!

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Post by mutierend » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:34 am

I wonder why Kickstarter. Maybe to only make as many as are in-demand? Or to bypass dealers? Or to cut costs? Or because Millennials?

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Post by mutierend » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:35 am

mutierend wrote:I wonder why Kickstarter. Maybe to only make as many as are in-demand? Or to bypass dealers? Or to cut costs? Or because Millennials?
Gosh mutierend, didn't you read the link? It says right there:

"We decided to go with Kickstarter in order to be able to offer the users any chance for feedback, last second tweaks (since we've already integrated a lot of futureproof flexibility inside), and most of all be able to just add all of the final touches in order to make this product the best it can be!"

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Post by Happyanimal » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:31 pm

Flagging this.

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Post by slam » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:54 pm

Happyanimal wrote:Flagging this.
Why?

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Post by Happyanimal » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:58 pm

slam wrote:
Happyanimal wrote:Flagging this.
Why?
Mutierend beating himself up. :waah:

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Post by search64 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:59 pm

This doesn't belong on kickstarter.

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Post by Fuzz » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:01 pm

Happyanimal wrote:
slam wrote:
Happyanimal wrote:Flagging this.
Why?
Mutierend beating himself up. :waah:
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Post by Happyanimal » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:02 pm

search64 wrote:This doesn't belong on kickstarter.
Might seem off, but I really believe they are being extra careful and want to give buchla users something they really want. It’s a positive thing that they are listening to user input.

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Post by bemerritt » Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:17 pm

A company that size doesn’t need a kickstarter to take feedback. Paying whatever the fee is(10%?), just seems like a stupid decision.

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Post by Orwell » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:33 pm

I think its a great idea for buchla to start kick starters.
And also show off buchla stuff with digitaks, ableton and key steps.

buchla is not a huge company compared to say korg or even let say elektron.
Its very specialist and niche.

If real change doesn't occur the easel will simply be cloned or worse: there will be a B-easel on the market for like $500 bucks.
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Post by aethyr » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:02 am

I agree.

I very well could be off on this but they bought the 'brand' for peanuts and erm... i cant say it.... plus made boatloads and now a kickstarter...
bemerritt wrote:A company that size doesn’t need a kickstarter to take feedback. Paying whatever the fee is(10%?), just seems like a stupid decision.

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Post by beyourdog » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:21 am

Buchla USA is taking the scheme of developping partnerships. With Catalyst Audio for Red Panels, Human Comparator for 100 series, the thunder with another company. With now the kickstart, it simply shows they probably have not much cash amd these partnerships amd kickstarts are a way to develop and enhance their offer without much cash and with some security and quick / fair return. Pretty sound to my ears and midern way of doung things...

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Post by ArguZ » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:49 am

As a community project there should be some special incentive for the backers
Also, creators can use this way of crowdfunding to outsource development cost and risk.
Read the middle section of the terms
https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use
"All or nothing. This project will only be funded if it reaches its goal by Fri, November 1 2019 5:59 AM CET."
If it does not get funded there is no obligation to deliver .
As much as i like the general idea of kickstarter i find it a strange move in this particular case.
Especially after listening to the interview where he said that they already have 25 in the shelf.
Also, in the EU we have strong warranty rules, in the US you have only one year, but how is it with a crowdfunded project ?

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Post by ritchiedrums » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:35 am

Let me start by saying
I AM A BIG BUCHLA FAN (whoever owns it)
Also think it is important to have the real manufacture in place to maintain a "Standard"
Clones are cool, but there are always variations in the builds.
I am also happy to see this 208c & will probably own one soon.

Here is what I find wrong with this Kickstarter:
1) it isn't a New Product (only a classic upgraded model)
2) Who is signing & numbering WHAT for the extra $100???
3) There should be other rewards:
--- $50 Poster
--- $100 Something??
--- Factory tour, pick up in person & get a demo for $250 extra??

If You are Buchla It Is Possible to Add Rewards..... :guinness:

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Post by Henfield » Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:50 pm

This is interesting, as Eric Fox said on the recent podcast that this unit was pretty finished and they already built a small production batch of 25 units or so, and he never mentioned Kickstarter
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Post by rkilman » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:06 pm

bemerritt wrote:A company that size doesn’t need a kickstarter to take feedback. Paying whatever the fee is(10%?), just seems like a stupid decision.
Buchla employs like 6 people.
ritchiedrums wrote: 2) Who is signing & numbering WHAT for the extra $100???
Hahaha, I get it, but Joel Davel has made major contributions to the Buchla legacy. If his signature is worth it for you, I don't know, but my guess is you're paying more to get one first. Which brings us to...
Henfield wrote:This is interesting, as Eric Fox said on the recent podcast that this unit was pretty finished and they already built a small production batch of 25 units or so, and he never mentioned Kickstarter
My guess is 20 of those 25 go to the backers you pay extra for the "Limited Edition" to get them first, with 5 left over for testing, etc.

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Post by Peake » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:16 pm

I can't keep track of who is doing what anymore...is this a Buchla USA project in association with Joel?

Impressive it's a single PCB! :eek:
I just can't help imagining that this would be better with vactrols

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Post by deltaphoenix » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:30 pm

Joel is a Buchla USA employee.

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Post by Peake » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:08 am

Thank you.
I just can't help imagining that this would be better with vactrols

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Post by ArguZ » Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:50 am

Peake wrote: Impressive it's a single PCB! :eek:
yeah, like Romans V1 :)

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Post by pr_simon » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:56 am

Well I don't have much of an opinion on the Kickstarter thing but, for what it's worth I happened to be the very first one to order that "limited edition" for an extra 100$.
Obviously, however trivial that may be, I don't mind getting that symbolic number 1 (provided they do things right and attribute them accordingly to the order of purchase) though, to be honest, I'm not really familiar with Joel Davel's output, apart from his involvment in updating the machine.
However, I wouldn't say that this is worth paying extra, so I can understand why that option doesn't seem to generate much enthusiasm/sales for the moment.
The main reason for me is to get it slightly earlier indeed and, the very subjective assumption that the unit, being from a smaller series and kind of on the front line for potential public user feedback, may go through extra thorough quality control before it leaves the workbench.
Finally what sealed the decision for me is that I noticed a quirk on the shipping fee : when selecting the regular module, the flat rate for Europe is 50$, while the limited edition is 25$, thus lowering the extra payment to 75$
A somewhat petty discount in Buchla money but hey 8-)

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Post by BLACK MARKET » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:38 am

Hey everyone! While I'm not constantly combing the interwebs for mentions about our stuff (I don't personally have any social media accounts), I do however think it's a good idea to periodically poke my head out and add some clarity :)

Kickstarter was something that I really went back-and-forth on quite a bit. After discussing with dealers ahead of time, I came to the conclusion that it was ideal to also let the dealers sell these simultaneously as us. It was important to me to get a grasp of what quantities are required plus the ratio from module vs. desktop demand would be and also reach some people that weren't totally familiar with Buchla. I assumed a fair chunk of existing Buchla users would gravitate towards their preferred dealer.....which is great. With the exception of those limited twenty units being finished up as we speak, dealers around the world can offer customers the exact same units at the exact same time as us....right down to the free t-shirt.

We'll see how this goes and maybe I'll do something different next time. So far so good. It's amazing to see the evolution of how products these days get made and distributed throughout the world. I'm just excited people are interested and are talking about what we're offering!
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Post by ritchiedrums » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:40 pm

Can we please get more details on the future preset manager

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Post by BLACK MARKET » Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:06 pm

Joel and Charles are picking away at that and will get deeper once the midi is finalized in the next couple of weeks. I'll let them know to poke their head on here and put together exactly what we know. I'd hate to have to backpedal by saying anything that turns out not to be possible due to the laws of physics....although I believe actual time travel is being discussed and will be referred to "postsets".

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