Reverb’s policy on Buchla compatible 200r/clone sales?

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Reverb’s policy on Buchla compatible 200r/clone sales?

Post by mritenburg » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:16 am

Heard from a seller that Reverb banned his 200r sales for Trademark infringement. Anyone else experiencing this?
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Post by tobb » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:30 am

Banned or listing has been edited?

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Post by mritenburg » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:33 am

I cropped the message they sent him to protect his identity, but yes, Reverb permanently suspended his sales on a number of clones.

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Post by tobb » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:41 am

Strange,there are other 200r sales still alive using the Buchla Brand name in title and/or text.

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Post by lasesentaysiete » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:45 am

It happened to me, as well. My listing was for a 100 Series DIY module. I received the exact message shown above and asked for clarification, but received none. It is pretty weak and inconsistent on their part.

But, I re-listed the module today with different wording in the ad--this time specifying "Buchla format"--and it has not been removed, yet.

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Re: Reverb is banning Buchla compatible 200r/clone sales?

Post by diller » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:45 am

mritenburg wrote:Heard from a seller that Reverb banned his 200r sales for Trademark infringement. Anyone else experiencing this?
Can you change your subject title? It is misleading to the actual matter at hand.

If users flag your listing it may be taken down until you sort it out with Reverb but it is purely on a case by case basis. Have the seller call Reverb. They are probably just listing the items wrong.

There are plenty of clones listed and not banned. Even selling them as brand new clearly with rash on them which is a violation of Reverb listing policy and will probably be taken down when they are eventually flagged.
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Re: Reverb is banning Buchla compatible 200r/clone sales?

Post by tobb » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:49 am

diller wrote: If users flag your listing it may be taken down until you sort it out with Reverb but it is purely on a case by case basis.
So,its just all about a single jealous arsehole?

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Post by diller » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:51 am

lasesentaysiete wrote:It happened to me, as well. My listing was for a 100 Series DIY module. I received the exact message shown above and asked for clarification, but received none. It is pretty weak and inconsistent on their part.

But, I re-listed the module today with different wording in the ad--this time specifying "Buchla format"--and it has not been removed, yet.
I have seen your 100 listings and they shouldn't be flagged like that. If any listing is transparent that shouldn't happen to anyone. Call Reverb and tell them to stop jerking you around or you are going to take your business to eBay.

Reverb does not police their listings. They expect snitches to do their job for them so it is users flagging your listings. Call Reverb.

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Re: Reverb is banning Buchla compatible 200r/clone sales?

Post by diller » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:54 am

tobb wrote:
diller wrote: If users flag your listing it may be taken down until you sort it out with Reverb but it is purely on a case by case basis.
So,its just all about a single jealous arsehole?
It could be multiple people or just one person being repetitive.

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Post by lasesentaysiete » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:57 am

diller wrote: I have seen your 100 listings and they shouldn't be flagged like that. If any listing is transparent that shouldn't happen to anyone. Call Reverb and tell them to stop jerking you around or you are going to take your business to eBay.

Reverb does not police their listings. They expect snitches to do their job for them so it is users flagging your listings. Call Reverb.
I told them that their reasoning was wrong (similar to what you mention here), but i cannot be bothered to get into it with them. I will see what happens with the new listing. I DID suspect external pressure, though, especially since their was no apparent trademark infringement. From what I can tell, on the Buchla name is trademarked (held by Ezra Buchla).

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Post by Kent » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:58 am

I got nailed for it this morning for this panel.

They edited the title and I adapted it to include "format".

Eric did tell me that he would exercise Buchla's rights in the future. It was some time ago. No big deal as they haven't deleted the sales. They simply ask for very clear language (thus far...)

I don't remember how I had titled it, alas.

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Post by tobb » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:03 pm

The dickhole that flags is reading atm and reporting.

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Post by mritenburg » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:13 pm

lasesentaysiete wrote:From what I can tell, on the Buchla name is trademarked (held by Ezra Buchla).
There is only one active Buchla trademark and it is held by BUSA and it only pertains to the word “Buchla” in a specific font and color:

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Post by lasesentaysiete » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:20 pm

mritenburg wrote:
lasesentaysiete wrote:From what I can tell, on the Buchla name is trademarked (held by Ezra Buchla).
There is only one active Buchla trademark and it is held by BUSA and it only pertains to the word “Buchla” in a specific font and color:
Ok, thanks for clarifying. It would seem none of these ads actually violate that trademark, then.

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Post by mritenburg » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:26 pm

lasesentaysiete wrote:
mritenburg wrote:
lasesentaysiete wrote:From what I can tell, on the Buchla name is trademarked (held by Ezra Buchla).
There is only one active Buchla trademark and it is held by BUSA and it only pertains to the word “Buchla” in a specific font and color:
Ok, thanks for clarifying. It would seem none of these ads actually violate that trademark, then.

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That’s my thinking. If you entitle your add “Buchla-compatible” you should be fine, but Reverb may be taking the ultra risk-adverse approach under safe-harbor to ensure that they don’t wind up on the wrong end of an infringement lawsuit.

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Post by diller » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:39 pm

mritenburg wrote:I cropped the message they sent him to protect his identity, but yes, Reverb permanently suspended his sales on a number of clones.

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There is not enough info to support this is accurate. We don't know if he had Buchla written on them or the listing. Trying to pull a Terry Town and passing them off as vintage. I don't want to come off as supporting Reverb in this case but you guys are not listening to what I am telling you. It is some person or persons specifically flagging the individual listing and it get's taken down until it is reviewed. It's not Reverb banning listings. Unless it is brought to the attention of Reverb through a report the listing will stay live until sold. If you get a message of permanent block on the listing just call Reverb and tell them what's going on. If someone isn't doing their job right they will fix it and apologize and teach their staff the correct protocol. If you are not phrasing your listing correctly on Reverb they will tell you where you are in the wrong and how to fix it. It's very simple. Call Reverb.

Read the Reverb privacy policy. They are not going to bend over backwards for Eric or any other company because they lose fee and processing money. It's a peer to peer marketplace, not a dealership.

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Post by Peake » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:41 pm

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Post by weedywhizz » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:46 pm

Same happened here.
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Post by ArguZ » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:22 pm

One wonders, is a replica made be a third party , based on schematics of a vintage circuit and later endorsed by the originals manufacturer's follow up company a clone or not ?
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Post by aethyr » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:55 pm

This happened to me some time ago, adding format and clone to the headline seemed to remove the flags. Sorry to hear about the pain

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Post by Lux A Turner » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:03 pm

If the trademark / copyright / patent owner makes a complaint to Reverb alleging infringement, then Reverb have to take it down, or risk being sued themselves. It happens on Etsy (owners of Reverb) and Ebay all the time.

And yes, there are probably several other infringing items being listed - it's just that the IP owner hasn't got around to reporting them yet.

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Post by Kent » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:16 pm

All Behringer clones get pulled :lol:

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Post by thetwlo » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:45 pm

If it's misleading, calling it "Buchla" that isn't right, just like every brand, if it wasn't built by them. Of course if it just read " buchla format...clone... that's different.
Look at all the "Mutable Instruments" modules for sale, that aren't built by them.

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