New FX modules from Tiptop Audio - ZVERB ECHOZ Z5000

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Post by conscious » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:56 am

Junk Rhythm wrote:
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mdoudoroff wrote:So, if you’re planning to patch the outs back into Eurorack gear, you may need to run it though something to add gain first?
The output won't be Euro VCO levels of 10vpp but it is certainly enough to use inside the modular. The design focused on the most common uses of send/return and end of chain duties.
Not entirely a deal breaker but also a bit of a bummer. I personally would have preferred the 10vpp modular level and then compensated for the level change outside the box.
Why does someone do that? Its a Module for modular systems.
I was waiting for these but now im confused.
Im already a bit annoyed that my nw1 sometimes is way to quiet.

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Post by Faastwalker » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:15 am

Very nice. And TipTop Audio modules are very well priced usually. The Z5000 looks like something I'd buy. I have a Erica Black Hole V1. I've been thinking of selling it. But it looks like it fills a similar role to the Z5000. So am I just wanting a new module?! :hihi:

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Post by tta » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:31 am

There are three players here, the input gain, the DSP headroom, and the output gain stage. If the input signal is modular level, and the In knob is set high we loss some headroom in the DSP but we get about 8-9Vp.p at the outputs before clipping, it still is a decent level to use inside the modular and especially because the sound is so rich in harmonics that I don’t think it's an issue. (Like how white noise is perceived louder then a sine wave due to harmonics)

With these FX modules I think we found a decent balance to allow interfacing line level gear without extra line level converter module but also using it inside the modular, all depends on the input gain knob setting. It will be interesting to hear your thoughts once you get them and start use them in and out of the modular.
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Post by giantreptile » Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:46 am

I’m just happy there’s something more to help erase the pain that was the audio damage eos reverb module, which was a $500 brick.

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Post by Zymos » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:09 am

dumbledog wrote:
Severed head wrote:ZVERB

Image Image

30 離 (离)
the clinging: radiance.
breaking free, Departing.
the earthly things surrounded by the heavenly
they burst to flames, separating, breaking free
into another state of being.
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29 坎
The Abysmal Gorge
where water naturally travels
to the lowest point.
traversing Downward
seemingly forever.
towards the abyss
the depth, not the surface.
although captivated endlessly pressing to move by the force of its own will.
ever downward through the ground.
a pit, a hole.
or trapped,
moving out of our control,
a crisis in a mysterious way.
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fire over fire water over water...
Nice to see that Whimsical Raps wrote the manual.
Cute. But for anyone blind to sarcasm, these DO have a comprehensive and clearly written user guide....

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Post by Severed head » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:16 am

this is getting weird,

I was guessing homie was referring to how the WR usually have a poetic description. as an intro to the module in their manual.

I wasn't referring to anything more than the visual design obviously. and wondering if those particular, hexs' were in some manner a reference to the produce effect?

edit: oopsy
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Post by Bobby » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:50 am

continuum wrote:
Bobby wrote:Is Sean Costello involved in the verb at all?
The algorithms are entirely my work - all 24 of them on each of the 3 modules.
cheers. is there demo's of your 80s verb please? (apologies if i missed them)...

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Post by continuum » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:04 am

Severed head wrote:this is getting weird,
It's just getting up to par for Muff's!

The hexagrams were done after an initial design mock-up reminded me of the i-Ching. I chose the numbers because they could describe some aspects of the reverb algos - although the one called Abysmal Gorge became the 'Downward Spiral' program which seemed more fitting for the 90s.

Also, the manual makes no mention of any of this and has very straightforward instructions on use and descriptions of the programs:

http://www.tiptopaudio.com/manuals/Tipt ... manual.pdf
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Post by continuum » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:14 am

Bobby wrote:
continuum wrote:
Bobby wrote:Is Sean Costello involved in the verb at all?
The algorithms are entirely my work - all 24 of them on each of the 3 modules.
cheers. is there demo's of your 80s verb please? (apologies if i missed them)...
They are all mixed together in the demos. Are there any specific programs you want to hear?

ZVERB 002 has one of the Shimmer programs on the first String sound.

ZVERB 004 is the 'Blooming' algorithm.

http://soundcloud.com/tiptop-audio/zverb-002

https://soundcloud.com/tiptop-audio/zverb-004
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Post by helix » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:23 am

Shame that there's no stereo input, so you can't properly follow the delay with the reverb.. or vice versa

They look amazing though for sure

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Post by VanEck » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:26 am

giantreptile wrote:I’m just happy there’s something more to help erase the pain that was the audio damage eos reverb module, which was a $500 brick.
i too was hoping the reverb might be a good replacement to the EOS flop, but i don't think this reverb offers the same feature set. some of the best sounds from the software version of EOS is the diffusion and pre-delay settings, and i am not seeing those on here. also stereo input.
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Post by cackland » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:41 am

helix wrote:Shame that there's no stereo input, so you can't properly follow the delay with the reverb.. or vice versa

They look amazing though for sure
My thoughts exactly. Considering euro is starting to head in the ‘stereo’ direction, using them as an end of chain and routing them into one another doesn’t seem viable considering the information lost.

I do feel this is a shameful oversight for TTA

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Post by Bobby » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:56 am

continuum wrote:
Bobby wrote:
continuum wrote:
Bobby wrote:Is Sean Costello involved in the verb at all?
The algorithms are entirely my work - all 24 of them on each of the 3 modules.
cheers. is there demo's of your 80s verb please? (apologies if i missed them)...
They are all mixed together in the demos. Are there any specific programs you want to hear?

ZVERB 002 has one of the Shimmer programs on the first String sound.

ZVERB 004 is the 'Blooming' algorithm.

http://soundcloud.com/tiptop-audio/zverb-002

https://soundcloud.com/tiptop-audio/zverb-004
Yep wasn't there an 80s verb one? Big lexicon/quadraverb fan here (hence the Costello question) .. love to hear the 80s verb on a 101 bassline if ya get me. :miley:

Also do you know an Owain Kimber by any chance? He said he knows someone at tip top. Not seen him in years tho!

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Post by behndy » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:52 am

tta wrote:There are three players here, the input gain, the DSP headroom, and the output gain stage. If the input signal is modular level, and the In knob is set high we loss some headroom in the DSP but we get about 8-9Vp.p at the outputs before clipping, it still is a decent level to use inside the modular and especially because the sound is so rich in harmonics that I don’t think it's an issue. (Like how white noise is perceived louder then a sine wave due to harmonics)

With these FX modules I think we found a decent balance to allow interfacing line level gear without extra line level converter module but also using it inside the modular, all depends on the input gain knob setting. It will be interesting to hear your thoughts once you get them and start use them in and out of the modular.
that's a well thought out approach. would still prefer the full volume range if there's an attenuation option on in and out, but that sounds like a mild quirk vs a deal breaker.

they look beautiful (that BLACK) and TipTop stuff is always.... tip.... TOP. so i have the excitements. did i miss a release date?

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Post by continuum » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:05 pm

behndy wrote:
tta wrote:There are three players here, the input gain, the DSP headroom, and the output gain stage. If the input signal is modular level, and the In knob is set high we loss some headroom in the DSP but we get about 8-9Vp.p at the outputs before clipping, it still is a decent level to use inside the modular and especially because the sound is so rich in harmonics that I don’t think it's an issue. (Like how white noise is perceived louder then a sine wave due to harmonics)

With these FX modules I think we found a decent balance to allow interfacing line level gear without extra line level converter module but also using it inside the modular, all depends on the input gain knob setting. It will be interesting to hear your thoughts once you get them and start use them in and out of the modular.
that's a well thought out approach. would still prefer the full volume range if there's an attenuation option on in and out, but that sounds like a mild quirk vs a deal breaker.

they look beautiful (that BLACK) and TipTop stuff is always.... tip.... TOP. so i have the excitements. did i miss a release date?

thanks!
Here are some measurements:

Saw 10v p-p input
Mono Delay 0% feedback, filter fully open

Dry 100% = 7 V p-p
Mix 50/50% = 11.5V
Wet = 7V


The input leaves a lot of headroom when fed direct VCO signals so the processing can do feedback etc. The wet output can go up to 9V p-p without clipping and can do 10V with some pretty hard clipped output.

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Post by Alliex » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:41 pm

Funky40 wrote:from the first post from tiptop:
while the 8HP modules are designed mostly as compact in size end-of-the-chain effects and interface between the modular and line level gear.
edited: I see this as a drawback.
To me, most ext. mixers, even the crappy small ones take modular level just fine.
And Delays are not necessarily patched at the end of the signal chain.
I think we're in agreement overall, but I have to disagree on this point - I can run modular level into my mixer "fine" but it gives me such a small space to attenuate, combined with more gain than I'd ever know what to do with (clipping at 20% or so, less for some modular outs). Outside of the fantasy of having a switch for "Modular/Line/Mic/Guitar" switch on things, I'd like to at least have a piece of hardware at either native (for the instrument) level or consumer line level (or maybe 'pro' line level otherwise).

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Post by continuum » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:13 pm

Bobby wrote:
Yep wasn't there an 80s verb one? Big lexicon/quadraverb fan here (hence the Costello question) .. love to hear the 80s verb on a 101 bassline if ya get me. :miley:
Something like this? 80s 'BarrVerb' with 3 different settings, the last drops the clock speed contiunously - try that on a MIDIVerb!
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Post by gtrmstr53 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:38 pm

These look nice, but as others have mentioned it's a shame they don't have stereo ins...

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Post by conscious » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:59 am

tta wrote:There are three players here, the input gain, the DSP headroom, and the output gain stage. If the input signal is modular level, and the In knob is set high we loss some headroom in the DSP but we get about 8-9Vp.p at the outputs before clipping, it still is a decent level to use inside the modular and especially because the sound is so rich in harmonics that I don’t think it's an issue. (Like how white noise is perceived louder then a sine wave due to harmonics)

With these FX modules I think we found a decent balance to allow interfacing line level gear without extra line level converter module but also using it inside the modular, all depends on the input gain knob setting. It will be interesting to hear your thoughts once you get them and start use them in and out of the modular.
thank you for explaining.

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Post by behndy » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:05 pm

yeah. Tip Top just kills, so have one of each on pre-order. i have EXCITEMENTS.
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Post by veets » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:54 pm

behndy wrote:yeah. Tip Top just kills, so have one of each on pre-order. i have EXCITEMENTS.
Where did you pre-order? I checked Control and PCA. Neither has these modules listed, yet.

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Post by continuum » Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:21 pm

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behndy wrote:yeah. Tip Top just kills, so have one of each on pre-order. i have EXCITEMENTS.
Where did you pre-order? I checked Control and PCA. Neither has these modules listed, yet.
Sweetwater has pre-orders now. Perfect Circuit and others take some time to post new pages.
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Post by behndy » Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:39 pm

i'm in Cali, so Perfect Circuit sucks for me. TAXES. UFF.

i pm'd and asked about pre-orders to Detroit Modular.
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Post by paranormind » Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:54 pm

Good news, happy to see those coming! I need to explore further, I'm wondering what kind of textures we can generate with these modules.

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Post by grimleyj » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:17 pm

I see a lot of complaints about mono in but even the Strymon Bigsky sums its inputs to mono and only preserves stereo for the dry signal.

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