Buchla 208 as a starting point?

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Buchla 208 as a starting point?

Post by rklem » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:21 am

Looking at the 208C I'm wondering if it would be a good starting point into the Buchla world? I'd love to hear some experiences from those of you who built a bigger system based on a 208 or Easel: Does this path make sense in retrospect? Did you keep the 208 or did you sell it pretty soon to finance other 200e modules?

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Post by ritchiedrums » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:16 am

I will always have a 208 in my system.
It is an INSTRUMENT itself.

Makes branching out easy for me.........

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Post by misa » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:27 am

I agree: the 208 is a totally different instrument from the 200e. If you can afford it you won’t want to sell either one of them...;)

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Post by mritenburg » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:31 am

I agree that it can be used as an instrument in itself, and it can also be seen as a large complex oscillator in a larger system.
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Post by phonkmeister » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:38 am

It's a gateway drug, it's an instrument in itself, it can be integrated in a larger setup, they say it will have some sort of -e preset management. I have a 208r, but if I hadn't, I'd get one as soon as possible.

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Post by rklem » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:41 am

I'm afraid of the "gateway drug" part, but... well...

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Post by ws9848 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:59 am

I started with an easel and it grew into this...



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And then it turned into this...


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So yeah, it was a pretty good starting point for me. I still have the easel. I put it back in it’s case :tu:

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Post by rklem » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:39 pm

This looks awesome – and scary. Just placed my order. I'm doomed...

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Post by mestlick » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:25 pm

I started with a BEMI Easel, which I still have.
I added a cabinet with 4 panels of 4 units of 200r, and then 8 panels of Serge.
I have these setup as 3 separate systems. I use them individually or together in various combinations.

I still make music with just the 208 on occasion.

So:
A. The 208 is an excellent starting point, and an excellent instrument on its own.
B. Things can get out of hand quickly.

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Post by stevenb » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:58 pm

I've had my Easel for 4 years, and love it. It really is an instrument, though an expandable one.
I've got a 248 MARF arriving in a few weeks, and the Easel along with the MARF and the Portablelabz 208 Toolbox/Bob combo should make for some interesting explorations. The Bob gives you destinations for all those triggers :-)

Next comes the pesky 259e

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Post by rklem » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:20 am

Thanks for all the helpful answers! As said, I've order a 208 Command now.

Could anyone please advice me on how many audio/banana cables in which length and how many shorting bars I'd need to get started?

I'm based in Germany (Berlin), so I think https://www.samodular.com/browse-for/cables/ would be a good resource?

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Post by misa » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:42 am

I was asking myself the same question.

I bought:

2 tiny Jax- 6,35 mm (große Klinke)
10 shorting bars (an eBay package)
10 black short bananas
10 semi short orange bananas

If you are planning to use a card like the synthi card you will need at least one (better have a backup) Tini-Tini cable and a longer banana (yellow, also better have a backup!)

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Post by rklem » Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:24 pm

Thanks misa. I just noticed that there's no internal audio patching needed, so no tiny Jax to tiny Jax cables.

On the shorting bars: There are Pomona MDP-S, MDP-S0, MDP-S2, MDP-S9. What's the difference – or do all of those work?

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Post by misa » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:39 pm

Yes there are differences between them. Some don’t work as they don’t short or something. MDP-S-9 are the correct ones.

Of course you don’t need any tinijax unless you are using a card with an oscillator.

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Post by Happyanimal » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:55 pm

Starting point or gateway drug?

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Post by papz » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:19 pm

All MDP-S-x ones are ok.
The S is for "shorting.
The number is the color code : 0 is black, 2 is red, 9 is white.

The MDP-x ones are not shorting and thus not ok for this pupose.
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Post by M.Weber » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:08 pm

Hey!
Exactly the same question here...
I tested a Easel by a friend I’m totally infected...
At the moment I would prefer the command module, too.
Or would you say, it’s better to buy an 208 (or a clone?!?) module only?
Maybe put it in a little bigger case to expand? But in which way I manage a midi connection? Extra Module? Cv.ocd?

I coming from Eurorack and a total noob at the Moment....
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Post by 01235813 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:37 pm

M.Weber wrote:Hey!
Exactly the same question here...
I tested a Easel by a friend I’m totally infected...
At the moment I would prefer the command module, too.
Or would you say, it’s better to buy an 208 (or a clone?!?) module only?
Maybe put it in a little bigger case to expand? But in which way I manage a midi connection? Extra Module? Cv.ocd?

I coming from Eurorack and a total noob at the Moment....
Thank you!
Manu
I have a BUSA easel and a Clone 208r/218r, the clone has no midi capabilities and the BUSA has rather limited midi functionality. I haven't used a 208c but if midi is a variable in your workflow, this definitely seems like a viable option. You could also add a 218 or 218r at a later time.

Buchla just put out a few clips that really showcase the 208c's midi functionality. Imo part of the easels "magic" is within it's 218 controller. With the 208c you don't have the 218 but the midi makes possible a wide range of midi controllers with the 208c. Check out the Buchla youtube page for several neat demonstrations.

The 208c also has a bunch of front panel functionality which was only available through use of the program cards on the 208. That being said many of these options are made easily accessible for the 208 with the 208 Toolbox. If you get the regular 208, the Toolbox in indispensable. The 208 Toolbox actually has some added functionality that no version of the 208 has, a CV mixer and an EG delay for example.

Either way, I think the easel is an awesome starting point.

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Post by M.Weber » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:56 am

Thank you!

And now another question:
Do you see another way to sequence to sequence a stand-alone 208 without a 218? I’ve seen a original buchla Midi Cv Interface, but in this Case I need another boat, what I didn’t want at the moment (limit myself...).

I see there’s the synovatron Cvgt1 Euro/ Buchla converter. Someone use this?
I think it was a nice way to use my current setup with the 208.

Or wait to get the 208c command module?

Have nice day!
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Post by papz » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:24 am

How about a custom built 208p readily compatible with non-Buchla controllers ? http://www.portabellabz.be/208pcb.html
I can do it with 1V/oct tracking, minijack sockets in place of the "signals from keyboard" bananas, Synovatron GTPulse to have the Buchla pulse needed for the sustained/transient switch and other custom features you may need.
The tracking can be changed to 1.2V/oct and minijacks are easy to swap for bananas afterwards if you expand your Buchla rig in the future.

Feel free to get in touch if you think this could be an option via http://www.portabellabz.be/papa.html
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Post by misa » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:26 am

I must admit that I haven’t been able to sequence my easel with it, but I use a bananfied doepfer dark time for sequencing with my 200e.

The dark time can be Switches (jumpered) to 15 or 12 volts to trigger Buchla properly. It’s also a midi clock interface (but doesn’t send out notes it receives via midi through the Cv/gate out. )

Maybe this helps in your decision.

Customizing a 208p through Constantin is a different but awesome option too as he is a great guy, very good work for a very good price and everything he does is transparent. I can’t recommend him enough.

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Post by papz » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:51 am

Thank you so much for the recommendation, Kai !

To trig the 208 with eurorack standard gate/trigger signals, a gate booster helps but the Synovatron GTPulse is by far the best option if you don't want to use the CVGT-1.
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Post by M.Weber » Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:35 am

Thank you all guys for your helpful answers!
I have to think about it have to read and learn

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Post by paddymulcahy » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:10 pm

rklem wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:20 am
Thanks for all the helpful answers! As said, I've order a 208 Command now.

Could anyone please advice me on how many audio/banana cables in which length and how many shorting bars I'd need to get started?

I'm based in Germany (Berlin), so I think https://www.samodular.com/browse-for/cables/ would be a good resource?
what about Schneiders? :hmm:

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