AC Bipolar calibration

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AC Bipolar calibration

Post by JP » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:40 pm

I finally got round to calibrating my es1 with a volt meter tweaking the trim pots, but by accident I tweaked the dc offset pot. Now I get a nice +5v at 1.0 using the DC plugin thru the AC plugin, but at 0.0 I'm still getting about 1.6v.

Is that not ideal?

Am I aiming for +5 and 0?

I read the instructions, but I'm unsure how I get the dc gain back to unity, anyone able to explain that in more detail, using lay terms.

In great news I was getting more octaves than I have on my 88 note keyboard out of my AFG thru my cheap USB powered audio interface.

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Post by skweeegor » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:13 pm

If you're looking for bipolar calibration you want a range of -5v to +5v. So with the DC plug at -1, you should get -5v, and at +1, you should get +5v.

Here's a thread I started when I was calibrating mine:
viewtopic.php?t=21073

Here's the method I used that was very quick and easy once I figured it out:
I calibrated it this time by sending +1.0 from SW DC, and adjusting the gain until the output was roughly 10V; then I set SW DC to 0.0 and adjusted DC offset until output was at 0V. Not sure how good a calibration method this is, but now I'm getting from -5.03v to 5.4v - not perfectly symmetrical but I'm happy. Do you think I'd get better results if I calibrated by the book or is this about as good as it gets? Either way, I just got 8 (!) octaves out of my AFG. Amazing.
So basically I worried about the bipolar part last.

1. Set DC offset to 0V (0V at pin 1 of RN2 as per the manual)
2. Send +1.0 from SW DC
3. Adjust Channel 1 gain until you get 10V or so
4. Set SW DC to 0.0
5. You should be getting about 5v from the ES-1 with the DC Plug set to 0.0
6. Adjust the DC offset trimpot until you are getting 0V from Channel 1.
7. Now adjust the gain for channels 2-8 until they are all at 0V as well.
8. Done!

You should now have a full bipolar range.
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Post by JP » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:18 pm

Nice, off to try it out and see.

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Post by skweeegor » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:19 pm

Yes, make sure you refresh the page cause I edited that post about 3000 times to make it clearer. :guinness:

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Post by JP » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:22 pm

"1. Set DC offset to 0V (0V at pin 1 of RN2 as per the manual) "

Now that was the step I wasn't clear on, I looked for rn2 but couldn't find it.

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Post by skweeegor » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:27 pm

Even with that step right, I couldn't get the manual's method to work for me. :lol:

I had my little eureka moment when I noticed in the manual the line that says the DC offset trimpot is a voltage divider between the two supply rails. So if you have the ES-1 putting out 0 to +10v, adjusting the DC offset will divide that across the positive and negative rails giving you -5v to +5v if you divide it in half. At least that was my understanding.

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Post by JP » Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:14 am

OK think I found rn2 and put it to zero. I can only get +4.55v before the pot tops out. So I now have + and - 4.55v which I'm assuming won't cause major issues.

I can get my 7 or 8 octaves no issue, which is more than I'll ever need :-)

Now I just need to work out how to get rid of that crazy 0:00:13 latency that is offsetting all my notes. None of the latency fixing solutions in Live seem to be helping at all, probably needs more twiddling.

Thanks for the tips skweegor.

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Post by JP » Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:30 am

So I have to say, I'm even more of a fan of SW that I was (I'm border line stalker level right now). Was playing with the LFO plugin last night. Wave morphing with offset and async is just madness, the stuff I can get out of it with a few tweaks would take hours to patch up, and I can automate the whole thing in the timeline and save a set.

No need for LFO or Envelope modules anymore (good job since I just sold them all).

Os, or anyone else, is there a way to use SW as an oscillator? Push the LFO to audio rates? Would there be a way to then pass that through the voice control so I got the scale calibrated?

(back to my fiddling with Max/MSP again I think. ;-)

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Post by os » Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:36 am

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