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Creamware Modular Freq Calibrating Audio File
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tomylee
Here is a C-2 to G8 audio file that shows how the Creamware Modular MCV Modues create internal voltage, very awkward standard if you ask me, very hard to calibrate with silentway to, I use herz/v and only get about 1,5 Octaves out of it - after silentway I have to run the signal through a bipolar to unipolar converter, and after that I have to multiply the signal by .5 to get a bigger range...In the end I have 3 Octaves...

I dont seem to find out how to calibrate to all octaves, as that should be normally possible...

great program btw, purchased it finally after some trying!

Here is my file:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/83684767e492c5b0

maybe anyone has some further advice - the file is 32th bars of digital dc audio wink - at 120bpm I tried to write the numbers (lots of typig duh...) but the calibration file does not accept this format or somehow it just wont work, so far im that far:

Silent Way Calibration Data
version: 1
00 0.00036621
01 0.00039673
02 0.00041199
03 0.00044250
04 0.00047302
05 0.00048828
06 0.00051880
07 0.00054932
08 0.00059509
09 0.00062561
10 0.00065613
11 0.00070190
12 0.00074768
13 0.00077820
14 0.00083923
15 0.00088501
16 0.00093079
17 0.00099182
18 0.00105286
19 0.00111389
20 0.00117493
21 0.00125122
22 0.00132751
23 0.00140381
24 0.00148010
25 0.00157166
26 0.00166321
27 0.00177002
28 0.00186157
29 0.00198364
30 0.00209045
31 0.00222778
32 0.00234985
33 0.00248718
34 0.00263977
35 0.00279236
36 0.00296021
37 0.00314331
38 0.00332642
39 0.00352478
40 0.00373840
41 0.00395203
42 0.00419617
43 0.00444031
44 0.00471497
45 0.00498962
46 0.00527954
47 0.00559998
48 0.00593567
49 0.00628662
50 0.00665283
51 0.00704956
52 0.00747681
53 0.00791931
54 0.00839233
55 0.00889587
56 0.00941467
57 0.00997925
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Damn I need some sleep...
os
You can't have half empty lines in a calibration file. Ie you should delete lines 58 onwards in the above.

You may need to clean up the leading zeroes too ('01', '02' etc).
tomylee
I did that now, but will show just a straight line instead of the calibration curve as I get when I calibrate it to modular III..

ok, lets see.

Here are two text files, one with the values I have so far (didnt bother to read them all down yet) and the other one with the values from the calibration process, the ladder one works, but its not complete.

what have I missed? I use wordpad for editing, and there are some strange symbols that wordpad seems not to be able to read, how do I edit calibration files properly?

thanks for any advice!

tomylee
os
You need to use Unix line endings, not Windows. Fixed file attached.

However, I don't think you'll get anywhere with this. The calibration file from Silent Way covers pretty much the whole output voltage range - you won't get any more octaves unless you can expand the range of voltages somehow.
tomylee
hey os, thanks for THAT tip, this was it, it works for the first 57 values smile

now I just have to add the rest of the values, you probably were surprised that the low values are all so low, but that is because of the exponential curve this system uses...

I will sent the whole finished textfile as I have entered all discrete values into it .)

thanks!
tom
tomylee
heh, done: MODIII now scaling all to 9 octaves (plus the rest of the notes) =128steps.

success, feels good smile

Voicecontroller officially compatible with creamware/soniccore modular II/III

smile

here the calibration text file that you will need. Connect the pitch output of voicecontroller (usually out 1) to the "freq" input of your creamware modular oscillators. Should always work fine.

cheers
tom
diaperjim
Are you saying that the A16U or even the Ferrofish MADI 192 can be used with external analog modules......?
Creamware has some really excellent modules and they sound great, but I always thought with a true analog circuit designed Filter(s) it would be the ultimate hybrid.
Tell me this is so. I have 3 x expensive 1U converters I used for mixing and montoring an entire live group and I already use these to process my Analog synths inside of Scope Project Windows.
The synths sound great with DSP effects.
I could now get some custom made Filters or even some already made MOTM's like the Super Band Pass that models the CS-80 I use to have.
To be able to use the insane amount of CmWare Oscillators is a huge advantage.
CZ Resonance 1-3, SawPulse, etc.
Not to mention the CatA and CatB, MegaMulti, Wavetablesa and Waldorfs, Morph x 3.............Jeez.
Count Me In.
tomylee
diaperjim wrote:

CZ Resonance 1-3, SawPulse, etc.
Not to mention the CatA and CatB, MegaMulti, Wavetablesa and Waldorfs, Morph x 3.............Jeez.
Count Me In.


could you send me these modules? are they free?

actually the A16u can only give +-3volts, which is not much, I will still get one, probably a very old cheap one, the a16 (non ultra) and have it modded because of the 16IO-argument - first the dc-decoupling has to be removed, then it probably needs amplifying and calibration to analog gear, probably to output +-5V (10V range) dc, im not sure if thats enough though, but the modder I know will make it work, he will also mod my se1-x to have lots of cvIOs

will integrate very well with the CW modular I guess

sure real filters are the real deal, and this is mainly the reason to use silentway smile modular is nice but since it is digital domain it has to be controlled with midi, and I dont like midi, thats why I will get a a16/a16u and have it modded, then I will try to find an analog knob controller box, just like a doepfer pocket control, but with cv outs instead of midi outs wink So I could also steer CW modular with full audio resolution and practically no jitter, very tiny delicate musical adjustments at high filter resonance levels would be inaudible and elevate the quality of digital gear a bit...

do you have some nice freebie modules for CW modular? the CZ devices I heard of but I have none of them, are they good?

if you also can reccomend some nice analog filters that dont take much space feel free to tell me, you said cs80 filter? jummy, which one?

cheers
tomylee
tomylee
lool you have a se1 too smile also wanna have it cv modded? maybe I get a cheaper price then smile

...and you have an xite, dam you ^^ I wanna have one too, but right now 3000€ is a bit over the roof for me, probably gettin one in the near future though
diaperjim
I also use SE compressor and 2200a mics. I love their gear and their support, which I never need.

You must have Modular IV to use the CZ stuff.
Thier new filters are awfully good for being digital, but again the resonance and cutoff attenuate in the lowest registers. Its the same reason I have kept me SE-1's and didn't buy the Virus.
If you want a real analog filter, you buy one, or just keep the SE-1's.
I am sure you can relate. FInd the Canyons patch on the SE-1 and sustain the lowest notes. Cant do that on any cheezy VSTi or virtual synth, its not possible although I am quite sure the nullifying mathematicians will tell me my ears dont work or something.

In my live group we have an incredible triggered and mic'd Kick sound, which also drones and thumps with the SE-1's and a '76 Precision Bass, so the digital guys can say I am hearing things, but I guarantee at my gigs we not only hear, but feels things.
SVT 8 x 10 cabinet and the Barbetta Sona 41 Sub do not lie.

Let me know the prices on the SE-1, I dont really need that capability, but definately want to use Modular OTB / ITB as it opens up the beauty of hybrids. SE-1 in a Scope project window using the killer delays and sat plugs is heavenly.

Here's an example of the SE-1 that comes in at the end of the tune doing leads and drone bass. It's a pathetic attempt to sequence as it was a great sounding tune until I quantized it, but that's what I get for trying to be too digital. I guess I should have fixed it, but I prefer reminders of why I don't like quantizing anything other than rhytm tracks.
http://forums.planetz.com/download/file.php?id=8150
tomylee
yeah a guy in a music store told me once: never quantize, learn to play. he was and is right on that

i have a 2200a too, fabulous mic, the same guy reccomended it to me ,)

btw, the se1 sounds nice, I dont know the price for the mod yet, but I will tell you! good to know there is some interest. (did you think I want to sell mine? nono! never!)

nice sound example, and yes there is something to analog sound gear, well most of it at least in the low end that is not being measured by mathematicians, but they dont know what to look for / in order to measure something you got to have the right idea what to look for, analogs have tolerances and treat audio more like a living thing, not like a formula, thats what digitals do, so one who would like to measure differences should try to look at how oscillators tune at different setting and how overtones form when certain filter settings are applied, in an analaog often you have interactions between certain phenomenons in the audiopath, that would not apply in a digital audio path ever. so digitals, while sounding similar, in certain circumstances just do their thing mathematically perfect, analogs dont, and that is what human aesthetics, or even universal law defines as beauty.

wink
diaperjim
All I know is those Dogs Dont Hunt.

But there are some awfully cute Poodles in the land of VSTi's and they're so cheap, and the pictures are really enjoyable, makes me want to reach up to my LCD and grab a knob, but then all of a sudden reality sets in and I realize it just another 39 dollar dream............... applause

Kep me posted as every year I have to find better sound, better everything. 6 nights a week and you can eaisly start to hate your sound, and after 20+ years of the same old good payin' gigs it gets a little monotonous.

Thankfully there's aways a fresh new stream of waittail cocktresses to keep us on our toes.
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