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interfacing modular with guitar pedals on the cheap
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sgnhh
What's the cheapest way to do this?

I've been in and out of the modular world, currently out potentially looking to get back in with a Tiptop Happy Ending Kit and a Wogglebug.

but I am very happy with my processing setup at the moment which is full of guitar pedals. I want a modular just for sound generation. What's the cheapest way to interface that with my pedals?

In the past I've owned the Harvestman stilton adapter, but it's just too expensive.

any ideas? will just running the modular outs through a mixer and attenuating work?
Adam-V
DIY yourself up one of these little beauties:

http://cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs60_sba.html

Cheers,
Adam-V
sgnhh
ah, don't really have the opportune to DIY at the moment.
Adam-V
You could run the modular output through an attenuator to drop the signal down to an acceptable level and run the output of the pedal through something that can give you some gain, A119 or similar. If you don't have one of those, run it into a mult and then into several inputs of a mixer module all cranked up fully to boost the signal back up a gain.

The expected impedances won't match but it'll get your signal into and out of your stomp box.

Cheers,
Adam-V
sgnhh
What would be an acceptable attenuator? Any mixer can work, right?

I can't believe I'm so clueless on this topic.
sgnhh
I'm thinking the Doepfer 183-1 should be fine, yeah?
Adam-V
You could use a mixer to attenuate the signal for sure. Any mixer will do.

Cheers,
Adam-V
krv
I'm using a small non modular mixer and put pedal in send/return loop.
Works fine
MrBiggs
The Doepfer a138d is basically like one channel of the Stilton. It's an effect send/return with crossfader mode.
http://doepfer.de/a138d.htm
sgnhh
oh yeah, I forgot that Doepfer module existed.

I think my solution is the intellijel quad attenuator + A119.
EliphasOfCascadia
[quote="Adam-V"]DIY yourself up one of these little beauties:

http://cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs60_sba.html

404 not found. Interested in checking this out. Have a working link?
Prunesquallor
[quote="EliphasOfCascadia"]
Adam-V wrote:
DIY yourself up one of these little beauties:

http://cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs60_sba.html

404 not found. Interested in checking this out. Have a working link?


Ken Stone has retired and Elby has acquired that info: http://www.elby-designs.com/webtek/cgs/cgs60/cgs60_sba.html
BenA718
I am not a fan of the sound of effects pedals on a mixer’s send/return. Most get overloaded easily and end up sounding quite bad.

In my experience, using an external mixer or multi channel audio interface, I have found that having a few Doepfer A-183-3 modules work great for padding down a eurorack module’s level to work with guitar pedals. Having two outputs means I can also run a separate wet/dry signal and get some nice spacial effects by panning them separately.
forestcaver
The cgs60 works really well - I built a dual one on stripboard (for eurorack).
It’s a really easy build...
abelovesfun
The AI006 2HP stomp box adapter will drop in December or January if you can wait until then. It should be very affordable, even if you don't go the DIY route (It's a 20 minute build). It's built on the philosophy of the CGS mentioned above, but adds attenuators, and of course, is designed for euro in only 2 HP.
Chevron87
Behringer MX400 might work for you, it's a pretty handy thing to have around too wink
BenA718
Chevron87 wrote:
Behringer MX400 might work for you, it's a pretty handy thing to have around too wink

I have two of them and they don’t get much use. Useful for sub mixing, perhaps, but I really don’t like the form factor; they are so lightweight that any cables pull them off the table!
Dave Peck
[quote="EliphasOfCascadia"]
Adam-V wrote:
DIY yourself up one of these little beauties:

http://cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs60_sba.html

404 not found. Interested in checking this out. Have a working link?


You guy should sort your forum posts by DATE. You're responding to a seven-year-old post.
BenA718
[quote="Dave Peck"]
EliphasOfCascadia wrote:
Adam-V wrote:
DIY yourself up one of these little beauties:

http://cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs60_sba.html

404 not found. Interested in checking this out. Have a working link?


You guy should sort your forum posts by DATE. You're responding to a seven-year-old post.

Maybe we noticed that already; just sayin’...
Rex Coil 7
Adam-V wrote:
You could use a mixer to attenuate the signal for sure. Any mixer will do.
This is incorrect. Many mixers are not well suited to handle signals with any more than a few db above +4db. So no ... "any mixer" will not do. There are some, yes. However, you're FAR better off running the synth's output into the stompbox rather than using some mixer's FX bus (I think someone else also mentioned this). Just use the stompbox as if it were one of the synth's modules, then AFTER the stompbox then go into the mixer.

But there's a catch .... (It baffles me why this same question comes up so often).....

.... a VCA at the end of the synth's signal chain is required ... just like pretty much every performance synth ever made. Or, said another way, just place a VCA before the input of the stomp boxes. Reducing the gain levels of modular synths to 0db (or more ... or less ... or thereabouts) is literally what VCAs do.

So .... modular synth patch ---> VCA as the output module ---> stompbox (or stompboxes) ---> desk mixer.

There are scores of VC/Mixers (aka VCA Mixers) offered by scores of manufacturers. The Doepfer A-135-1 is my particular favorite within the Eurorack format. 4 totally independent VCAs that can also have their outputs summed to a single output. Best $190.00 thing going.

LINK = http://analoguehaven.com/doepfer/a-135-1/

I've been doing it this way since 1977 (and still do with my 5U). I have about a dozen guitar stompboxes that I use with my modular ... a VCA at the end (just like a Minimoog et al) then into the stompboxes, then into the mixer. Live performances, studio recording, everwhat. Simply treat your modular just exactly like a performance synth that produces a "line level" (0db to +4db) output, so to speak.

Think ~Minimoog~. You're done.

thumbs up
Rex Coil 7
[quote="Dave Peck"]
EliphasOfCascadia wrote:
Adam-V wrote:
DIY yourself up one of these little beauties:

http://cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs60_sba.html

404 not found. Interested in checking this out. Have a working link?


You guy should sort your forum posts by DATE. You're responding to a seven-year-old post.
lol ain't that a bitch ...

meh
electricanada
Rex Coil 7 wrote:
lol ain't that a bitch ...

meh


Indeed [check my sig quote]

yellowecho
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