Self generating patches....tips and ideas ?

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Post by PhineasFreak » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:40 am

cptnal wrote:Takes a bit of tuning so it's not firing all the time.
solved that problem for euro users - ladik s-090 probability skipper:

just dial back the % until you got the number of trigs you want!

and its a dual in 4hp with cv over the percentage

even better than you'd at first think - if the excessive firing trigger is being turned on too often by the same systems feedback thats turning it off, for example a latch switch, then take a cv out from that system and feed into prob skippers cv in - the whole system now adjusts the probabiility every time it gets too high!
https://thomaswulfe.bandcamp.com/
http://www.soundcloud.com/ylem-records/
http://www.soundcloud.com/best-of-ylem/
http://www.soundcloud.com/waxcide/
http://thomaswulfe.muffwiggler.com/
http://ljunggrenaudio.com/
http://waxcide.bandcamp.com/
Just remember what Phineas would say... "eurorack can get you through times of no money better than money can get you through times of no eurorack". - bkbirge/

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Post by gis_sweden » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:15 pm

Sounds from some sort of "poormans-quantussy x 3 patch". AM-modulation, deeeep blurps and random beeps. Analog delay pedal and spring reverb for FX. :party:
https://freesound.org/people/gis_sweden/sounds/496238/

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Post by cptnal » Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:39 pm

gis_sweden wrote:Sounds from some sort of "poormans-quantussy x 3 patch". AM-modulation, deeeep blurps and random beeps. Analog delay pedal and spring reverb for FX. :party:
https://freesound.org/people/gis_sweden/sounds/496238/
I liked it, but the cats are divided. :cloud:

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Post by gis_sweden » Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:01 am

cptnal wrote:I liked it, but the cats are divided. :cloud:
One of your cats have a very reffined taste - or hearing problems...

Three more from the same patch

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https://freesound.org/people/gis_sweden/sounds/496327/

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https://freesound.org/people/gis_sweden/sounds/496326/

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https://freesound.org/people/gis_sweden/sounds/496325/

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Re: Self generating patches....tips and ideas ?

Post by gis_sweden » Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:11 pm

First time I visit muffs with this new layout! :help: Surprise!
Well, I made a "burst-patch".
https://freesound.org/people/gis_sweden/sounds/500639/
You can make burst-patches in many different ways, with different results. In this patch I wanted every burst to have its own "burst-speed".
I use a NLC Sloth LFO and a comparator as main components. The result is a little old-school sounding. I like that :razz:
Between the bursts is a random note, controlled by the inverted comparator gate (through a slew).

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Post by oberdada » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:45 pm

PhineasFreak wrote:
Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:40 am
solved that problem for euro users - ladik s-090 probability skipper:

even better than you'd at first think - if the excessive firing trigger is being turned on too often by the same systems feedback thats turning it off, for example a latch switch, then take a cv out from that system and feed into prob skippers cv in - the whole system now adjusts the probabiility every time it gets too high!
Adaptive probability distributions is an interesting idea. Its use in algorithmic music seems to go back to James Tenney, who had a technique of randomly generating pitches. If you just pick random notes independently of previous notes you will ge a certain amount of notes that repeat before the other eleven pitch classes have been used. So Tenney's idea was to keep track of the recently chosen pitches and exclude them from the probability distribution.

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Re: Self generating patches....tips and ideas ?

Post by gis_sweden » Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:12 am

Playing with NLC FF-Chaos. I will have fun with this module. The game has only begun. I have to say that chaos modules are great in generative patches and big help when your modular is of less impressive size.


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Post by PhineasFreak » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:30 am

oberdada wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:45 pm
PhineasFreak wrote:
Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:40 am
solved that problem for euro users - ladik s-090 probability skipper:

even better than you'd at first think - if the excessive firing trigger is being turned on too often by the same systems feedback thats turning it off, for example a latch switch, then take a cv out from that system and feed into prob skippers cv in - the whole system now adjusts the probabiility every time it gets too high!
Adaptive probability distributions is an interesting idea. Its use in algorithmic music seems to go back to James Tenney, who had a technique of randomly generating pitches. If you just pick random notes independently of previous notes you will ge a certain amount of notes that repeat before the other eleven pitch classes have been used. So Tenney's idea was to keep track of the recently chosen pitches and exclude them from the probability distribution.
sounds complex to do for multiple different pitch voltages - unless you have a digital module like mi's marbles that has the ability to record a sequence then cv the degree to which it ignore note on the recorded scale - to achieve that indiscrte patched modules must quite a feat...
https://thomaswulfe.bandcamp.com/
http://www.soundcloud.com/ylem-records/
http://www.soundcloud.com/best-of-ylem/
http://www.soundcloud.com/waxcide/
http://thomaswulfe.muffwiggler.com/
http://ljunggrenaudio.com/
http://waxcide.bandcamp.com/
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Post by oberdada » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:28 pm

PhineasFreak wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:30 am
sounds complex to do for multiple different pitch voltages - unless you have a digital module like mi's marbles that has the ability to record a sequence then cv the degree to which it ignore note on the recorded scale - to achieve that indiscrte patched modules must quite a feat...
I suppose so. But here's an idea. Take a voltage slicer, a module that outputs to one of several gate outputs when the input is in a certain voltage range. Each gate output goes into a leaky integrator, which represents the bins of a histogram. Find the bins with lowest voltage and adapt the probability so that the corresponding values are more likely to be generated.

It can't be too hard if you allow yourself to use programmable modules.

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Re: Self generating patches....tips and ideas ?

Post by cptnal » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:59 am

Dinko Klobocar describes an interesting technique for segregating voltages by range here:



The interesting part is how he mixes the gate outputs from the comparators to get a none/one/both output.

I'm also reminded of this technique described by pelsea in his book. Use a channel of a two-row sequencer to control its own clock speed, and send the other to a sample and hold. The clock speed row controls the probability that its stage will be sampled.

Not sure I understand the conversation fully, but maybe these techniques would be useful in the context of what's being discussed. If not it's worthwhile keeping them in circulation.

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Re: Self generating patches....tips and ideas ?

Post by oberdada » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:42 pm

cptnal wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:59 am
I'm also reminded of this technique described by pelsea in his book. Use a channel of a two-row sequencer to control its own clock speed, and send the other to a sample and hold. The clock speed row controls the probability that its stage will be sampled.
That's an interesting technique. I suppose the S/H runs on its own rate independently from the sequencer.

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Re: Self generating patches....tips and ideas ?

Post by cptnal » Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:18 pm

oberdada wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:42 pm
cptnal wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:59 am
I'm also reminded of this technique described by pelsea in his book. Use a channel of a two-row sequencer to control its own clock speed, and send the other to a sample and hold. The clock speed row controls the probability that its stage will be sampled.
That's an interesting technique. I suppose the S/H runs on its own rate independently from the sequencer.
Indeed. :tu:

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Re: Self generating patches....tips and ideas ?

Post by cptnal » Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:30 pm

Actually, while I'm here let me post this. I came across it on matrixsynth.com, but haven't tried it out yet. Seems pretty straightforward - it's for the Arp 2600, but it all looks like standard functions.



Edit: Referenced here by the original author: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=226150

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Re: Self generating patches....tips and ideas ?

Post by PhineasFreak » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:49 pm

every time i think i'm gonna need to buy more/new modules i read a post in this thread and realise i can solve my problem with what i have - theres very definitely a certain minimum toolkit which once you have it covered you can p much achieve any task if you just apply the right logic

i love this so much :)
https://thomaswulfe.bandcamp.com/
http://www.soundcloud.com/ylem-records/
http://www.soundcloud.com/best-of-ylem/
http://www.soundcloud.com/waxcide/
http://thomaswulfe.muffwiggler.com/
http://ljunggrenaudio.com/
http://waxcide.bandcamp.com/
Just remember what Phineas would say... "eurorack can get you through times of no money better than money can get you through times of no eurorack". - bkbirge/

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Re: Self generating patches....tips and ideas ?

Post by tardishead » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:02 pm

PhineasFreak wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:49 pm
every time i think i'm gonna need to buy more/new modules i read a post in this thread and realise i can solve my problem with what i have - theres very definitely a certain minimum toolkit which once you have it covered you can p much achieve any task if you just apply the right logic

i love this so much :)
Absolutely the only thing is the Euro guys have got modules that do the same as a whole cabinet of my toolkit modules in one go. :bang:
When a friend showed me Batumi I was like I can do that but the difference in modular real estate was x10. Envy is really the most ugly sin!!

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Re: Self generating patches....tips and ideas ?

Post by PhineasFreak » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:03 pm

this is where ladik is your friend in euro - i cant help but wonder if it would be possible to convert his modules to other formats easily...
https://thomaswulfe.bandcamp.com/
http://www.soundcloud.com/ylem-records/
http://www.soundcloud.com/best-of-ylem/
http://www.soundcloud.com/waxcide/
http://thomaswulfe.muffwiggler.com/
http://ljunggrenaudio.com/
http://waxcide.bandcamp.com/
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