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Pockets McCoy
Don't know if this fits here because it's somewhat questionable what actually constitutes a synth, but I think these are close enough, so here I go:

Anyone seen or heard or played with any Trogotronic products? It's Nelson from Man is the Bastard/Bastard Noise/Geronimo (by the way, TOTALLY check out Geronimo, and the others...Man is the Bastard might not be so up the alley of some of the folks here, but I digress...) making available to the public the wonderfully strange devices he builds and uses in his various bands. I got my 666 and 667 in the mail a few days ago (see trogotronic.com for not-very-clear info but a few sound samples and pictures), and I've literally spent the last 3 days holed up in front of an amplifier playing with them. If anyone has any interest, I can put up some sound samples once I remember to record some, because the samples on his site really don't do them justice.

Anyhow, if anyone's got a few hundred bucks they've got nothing to do with, these are a LOT of fun, despite their not-really-modular-ness, although you can patch the circuit into a million different paths by flipping/twisting switches. They could be uses as a really weird, really violent signal source in a modular though, and if you called and asked him, I'm sure he'd at least be willing to consider building a rackmount version with a few CV-ins or something if you're bent on modular interfacing to the max. Nevertheless, as far as noise-producing devices go, these are easily some of the finest I've seen. They're the first things I've ever used that I can say are truly unpredictable, and they definitely make noises I've never, ever heard before, especially when run into one another.

I think part of the unpredictability factor is the un-labeledness of the controls...they come with instruction sheets, but they just make everything sound more mysterious...the control labels on the 666, I believe, are "Preamp 1 Electron Port, Preamp 2 Electron Port, Overdrive, Oscillator 1, Oscillator 2, Threshold, Master Drive, Preamp 1 Electron Patch, Preamp 2 Electron Patch, Drive Shift, Ocillator Patch, Preamp Patch, and Power/Threshold Patch". None of them do quite what you'd expect.

I think I may have to render myself completely asexual, because I'm in love with these horrible metal boxes...
Roycie Roller
I've been interested in getting one of these for a while- they look & sound excellent. I agree that they would make great sound-source modules, even without cv control & just one audio output.
I'd be up for hearing some audio of what you're doing with them for sure! w00t
Kent
Pockets McCoy wrote:
If anyone has any interest, I can put up some sound samples...


Seriously? Is this a joke? hihi

80% of this forum's raison d'être is for sound samples of kewl stuff! Bring it forth, my good man!!!

User Samples usually tend to be better than the website demos. Rock it!


SlayerBadger!
Pockets McCoy
Eh, one never knows what folks are into. Just testing the waters I suppose. At least now I know I should totally be hanging around here.

Anyhow, the family left the house today so I could sit around making a racket without complaints. These are clips of a hastily-recorded-on-the-built-in-microphone-of-my-macbook half hour stretch of noodling around with the 666 run into the 667 for extra menace. Those clicking sounds every so often are switches being flipped, not anything the things are generating. Also, the last sample was the somewhat uneventful result of plugging a bass into the input on the 666...not like you'd really be able to tell. Also, fair warning, the 12th one has a tiny spurt of intensely louder-than-everything-esle harsh fizz thanks to a brief volume knob mishap, so watch out if you're listening to these on high volume (recommended, by the way razz )

Anyhow, so I don't have to copy a million links, all the samples are at files.idatedapyramid.com/Muffwiggler (can't get it to make a link for some reason) and none of them should take long to load.

I'll probably put more up over time...I'm still in that "don't know what I'm doing but I'll be damned if I'm not having the time of my life" phase at this point. Maybe one day I'll understand these things.

Enjoy.
Kent
Nice. Thanks for the upload. I'm downloading the set as I type. Hopefully they'll sound decent enough with the computer microphone. Nonetheless, it should all be good fun.
SoundPool
check out 2673 from NJ. he uses a lot of trogo gear. he has a split with Unicorn, did a split LP with Kevin Drumm that is well worth it if you can find a copy, and a bunch of other stuff.
last time we toured together he had one of the rebuilt heathkit units and the 655 I think it was.
that heathkit synth SCREAMS! gets some cool effects but when it drops into a really hot audio range it will blast out of nowhere. we fried a PA the first night of the tour because nobody was watching the main board. Kevin told me that Nelson told him to never run it straight into a computer soundcard or it will just fry it haha

Kevin and myself are gonna be playing a few east coast shows along with King Darves in April. come check out our funny noise boxes.
Cybananna
I'm looking forward to checking out the samples too. I'll have some time this weekend.
Pockets McCoy
SoundPool wrote:
check out 2673 from NJ. he uses a lot of trogo gear. he has a split with Unicorn, did a split LP with Kevin Drumm that is well worth it if you can find a copy, and a bunch of other stuff.
last time we toured together he had one of the rebuilt heathkit units and the 655 I think it was.
that heathkit synth SCREAMS! gets some cool effects but when it drops into a really hot audio range it will blast out of nowhere. we fried a PA the first night of the tour because nobody was watching the main board. Kevin told me that Nelson told him to never run it straight into a computer soundcard or it will just fry it haha

Kevin and myself are gonna be playing a few east coast shows along with King Darves in April. come check out our funny noise boxes.


Got any links to any info/sounds on 2673? I'm always interested in new noise, and hugely interested in seeing what others are doing with these er...fine instruments. I found an old Heathkit AG-10 that's getting shipped off to Nelson for some surgery when he gets back from Japan, so after that I'll be fucking up sound systems all over the place, I guess Smacked in the head with a trout.

Any chance any of those shows you're playing would dip down as far as anywhere near New Orleans?
Oscilloclast
I'd been drooling over the Trogotronic stuff for 3-4 years before I finally broke down and bought the 666 when it came out. Its definitely loads of fun and if you got a big amp its bone rattling. The more you explore it the more you will find, it's no one trick pony.

Nelson's solo project is "Unicorn" and if you haven't checked it out I definitely would (he sells all of the CDs on the Thumprint press website). The thing I like about his stuff is that he can get really noisy if he wants to but there is also a lot of dynamics in the pieces.

The new Bastard Noise CD "Rogue Astronaute" is amazing and it sounds like its all trogotronic stuff.

Other noisy devices I really like include the 4mspedals "noise swash". You can get the board from their web site and its another one of those devices that has lots of knobs that interact in weird ways. Its sold as a distortion pedal but it self resonates and I've always used it as a stand alone device. They also have the "atoner" and a messed up octaver that look pretty interesting (although I have yet to build either one).

Probably the noisiest/ most unpredictable/weirdest thing I have is the Fourses (and Fyrall) from Ciate Lonbarde (Peter B). If you have never seen this guys stuff you definitely need to take a look! (www.ciat-lonbarde.net) The fourses was was never really described as a noise device but this thing just screams (it can be wired in a million different ways so it never sounds the same twice).

I also really like the stuff Tom Bugs has been making (Weevils etc.). Check his stuff out at www.bugbrand.co.uk.

Anyways, if anyone else has any good recommendations for noise devices (especially kits or things you can build - cheap is good) I'd like to hear about it. I also have three Plague Bearers I have to wire up so I'm into the modular stuff also (I'm trying really hard to get away from the clinical predictability inherent in the modular synth).
HexEnduction
Pockets McCoy wrote:
It's Nelson from Man is the Bastard/Bastard Noise/Geronimo (by the way, TOTALLY check out Geronimo, and the others...Man is the Bastard might not be so up the alley of some of the folks here, but I digress...)


I second the Geronimo recomendation, incredible record. The Sleestak record is really great too, basically early Geronimo line-up.

I have one of the Trogotronic 655 boxes and it's really awesome...best possible way to spend 150.oo although if I could do it again I would have ordered it with the CV options. The sounds that come out of it are unreal. It really destroys bass frequencies and can probably create minor tectonic shifts when combined with Metasonix boxes.
Pockets McCoy
So, after months of exploring, I'm finding myself able to have a reasonably accurate idea of what's going to happen when I tweak anything most of the time. That being said, it's still an adventure every time...some of the controls can be ridiculously, deliciously touchy. There are times when I'll have my finger on a knob, and a tiny shift from me removing said finger will sometimes drastically warp the sound into something new and different. I've never, ever, in my entire life had more fun with any one single device.

And so, I present to you, my slightly masochistic audience, two exceedingly long but fairly well-informed forays into the ceaselessly tasty realm of analog artifacts:

http://files.idatedapyramid.com/trog

The first one is 40-something minutes of the 666 with a bit of reverb, the second is 20-something minutes of the 666 run through the 667, also with a bit of reverb. This time the recordings were done by running everything directly into a recorder, so it actually sounds presentable. None of that hastily-mic'd foolishness on this go.

Feel free to skip around, but if you just put them on in the background and do something, the really interesting bits will probably pop out at you. Unless you're me, or as weird as me, and can appreciate long-ish stretches of miniscule timbral warblings that these things churn out with no encouragement. The sound is never static, even when it seems like it is, and there's always a little bit more going on than you think, and that's one of the main reasons I'm so foolishly in love with them.

Lotsa Love Lotsa Love Lotsa Love Lotsa Love screaming goo yo screaming goo yo Dead Banana
KNYST
There's a various artists compilation CD featuring Trogotronic gear:
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Analog-Audio-Ordnance-The-Trogotronic-C ompilation/release/1320325
Mr. Sound Boy King
Quick q. for you Trogotronic users:

Do the tabletop (non-stomp) models have any kind of 'mute' capacity beyond turning down the volume knob?
Pockets McCoy
Mr. Sound Boy King wrote:
Quick q. for you Trogotronic users:

Do the tabletop (non-stomp) models have any kind of 'mute' capacity beyond turning down the volume knob?


Not that I know of...the 666 has a knob that will mute everything in its lowest setting, but I'm 99% sure that's because it actually cuts power to the unit, and using that as a mute function will cause it to behave differently than if its left to run freely and muted by some other means. Then again, that different behavior can be pretty nifty, but you'd have problems interrupting cycles and whatnot, and I've definitely had a few situations where I had it doing one thing, cut the power on and off, and when it came back on it was doing something different. (Incidentally, that's one of my favorite things about them...its behavior isn't necessarily dependent on the positions of the knobs alone, but also how you got the knobs into the positions they're in. Everything tends to affect everything else on some level.) You could always just build a simple little box with a switch in it (or a few switches, to make it a bit more worth your while, and be able to mute more than just the Trogotronic), or just call Nelson and ask him to add a mute switch...he seems to be pretty accommodating, and it's certainly not a complicated addition.
droolmaster0
Damn - I just love the sounds coming out of that 666. I'm about to place an order with him for 3 or possibly 4 of his devices. I sold some stuff, and so, what the hell. Definite are the 666, the Destroyer, and then a souped up Iron Cross CV.
suboptimal
Why did I just order a 666?

I'll tell you: because of this thread. You bastards. screaming goo yo
Pockets McCoy
Hooray! I'm a bad influence! w00t











Get drunk! Have reckless sex! Kick a cop in the nuts! Hoo-hah!
Mr. Sound Boy King
Pockets McCoy wrote:
Mr. Sound Boy King wrote:
Quick q. for you Trogotronic users:

Do the tabletop (non-stomp) models have any kind of 'mute' capacity beyond turning down the volume knob?


Not that I know of...the 666 has a knob that will mute everything in its lowest setting, but I'm 99% sure that's because it actually cuts power to the unit, and using that as a mute function will cause it to behave differently than if its left to run freely and muted by some other means. Then again, that different behavior can be pretty nifty, but you'd have problems interrupting cycles and whatnot, and I've definitely had a few situations where I had it doing one thing, cut the power on and off, and when it came back on it was doing something different. (Incidentally, that's one of my favorite things about them...its behavior isn't necessarily dependent on the positions of the knobs alone, but also how you got the knobs into the positions they're in. Everything tends to affect everything else on some level.) You could always just build a simple little box with a switch in it (or a few switches, to make it a bit more worth your while, and be able to mute more than just the Trogotronic), or just call Nelson and ask him to add a mute switch...he seems to be pretty accommodating, and it's certainly not a complicated addition.


Thanks for the thoughtful reply! I'm always attracted to gear which appears to have some chaotic qualities ---
ricjake
Just recieved my 666 and 655 with dual cv imputs. It took Nelson a little longer because I wanted the 655 with a metal box. First impressions UNFREAKIN BELIVEABLE! W.T. Nelson is amazing to talk too....a poet, very laid back and some of the writings and conversations....Well, You just have to speak with him and find out yourselves. Don`t be scared order one now! So much potential in these two boxes! Here`s to Pockets McCoy for convincing me Guinness ftw! I`m one happy guy right now!


Cybananna
anyone use any of the tube stuff? I'm real interested in the Barbarian and the Monster.
Pockets McCoy
The Monster's fairly ridiculous...it may be my favorite way to distort things at the moment. Its strong suit is definitely processing over generation, though it can definitely make its own noises. Hang on a bit, I'll take any excuse to play with it. Expect a demo in a few hours...
droolmaster0
I placed my order with W. T. Nelson for 4 of his devices (655 with 2 banana cv inputs, 666, destroyer, and 665.) He is very fun to talk to, and obviously really enjoys talking with customers, and making these things for them. I'll definitely post about these when I get them - sounds like it will be a few weeks. I sold some stuff that I wasn't using much to get these, so there will be tremendous net gain + distortion.
HexEnduction
ricjake wrote:
Just recieved my 666 and 655 with dual cv imputs. It took Nelson a little longer because I wanted the 655 with a metal box.


You made the right call by having him put the CV ins on that 655...really wish I had done that as well. The metal casing makes it look sharp too! Have fun! w00t
droolmaster0
Pockets McCoy wrote:
The Monster's fairly ridiculous...it may be my favorite way to distort things at the moment. Its strong suit is definitely processing over generation, though it can definitely make its own noises. Hang on a bit, I'll take any excuse to play with it. Expect a demo in a few hours...


Please. No more demos. I cannot be tempted by another one of these.
Cybananna
Pockets McCoy wrote:
The Monster's fairly ridiculous...it may be my favorite way to distort things at the moment. Its strong suit is definitely processing over generation, though it can definitely make its own noises. Hang on a bit, I'll take any excuse to play with it. Expect a demo in a few hours...


that would be great. looking forward to it. we're not worthy
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