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Poll (Removed): Should I disable post editing?
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Author Poll (Removed): Should I disable post editing?
Muff Wiggler
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https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3227


Maybe it's just me, but I hate it when people blank out their posts.

I hate it, hate it, hate it, hate it, hate it.

I offer you guys a good forum. If something is worth saying here, or worth discussing, please leave your comments up for future readers to learn from.

If someone has taken time to reply to your post, please show them the courtesty of NOT making them look stupid by blanking out your original comments.

I think I'm a pretty easy going guy. Maybe this just rubs me the wrong way. But I friggin' HATE it when people pull that shit.

Maybe we just got trolled really good. In which case have pride in your trolling abilities and leave that shit up.

In any case. Sigh.

Once upon a time I made a modification to the forum that does not let people edit their posts after a certain period of time. I had it set a 10mins or something like that. Enough time to correct spelling mistakes, short enough to prevent this kind of crap.

Anyway. People weren't happy and many asked me to allow post editing again. Which I agree with.

Then stuff like this happens.

There was another case this week where a member posted something that was a blatent case of copyright infringement, and he knew it, because he said with the post "I'm taking this down soon so grab it quickly". (Yes I saw that and no I wasn't impressed)

C'mon. Is this what allowing post editing leads to?

I don't like it. I don't have anything close to time to manage this board, yet I lose sleep and make time to give you guys a good place to hang out and keep you happy. Often my plane lands somewhere and instead of getting to a hotel for some sleep, I sit my ass down in some foreign airport, fire up my laptop, and come here to try to do stuff to help make this place GREAT for you all.

So, in the spirit that I've always intended for this forum, I want to let the membership deceide. Here's a poll. I'll let it run for a few days, please make the decision for me. I'll always defer to what the majority of the members feel is best. This place is here for you guys, and only valuble because of your participation. I want this to be the best and most comfortable place for you to talk about modular synths. What do you want me to do about this?

Thanks.
NV
I like the idea of the 10 minute editing space you mentioned. Completely eliminating post editing would be a bit unnecessary I think, as the times when post editing is a source of conflict is often when people delete an extended conversation after several days of growing lunacy. However, I will sometimes make a post then a minute later realize that one extra sentence might make it a bit more coherent, and it's nice to be able to add that in.

I actually always just assumed there was a time limit of about 5 or 10 minutes, so to me it seems quite natural to impose such a thing. I think it would be a nice middle ground between supporting the benefits of post editing and eliminating the drawbacks. Plus, I would imagine if someone ever really wanted a post deleted for whatever (reasonable) purpose, you or another moderator would be more than willing to help out.
indexofmetals
I agree with the 10 minute editing space idea
elemental
indexofmetals wrote:
I agree with the 10 minute editing space idea


or even 20, 30 mins... but not much more.
Babaluma
i'm againist the idea of removing the edit function in any way, because like most of us, i'm apt to make a complete dick of myself from time to time, especially if i'm inebriated. Guinness ftw!

on those rare occasions, it's been a pleasure for me to be able to retract/delete my post the next day.

i'm also against it in principle. do what thou wilt and all that. i feel that in a public forum if people want to self censor then they should be allowed to do so.
cavage
i am quite new here so my voice is cheap

i understand the annoyance of people erasing posts after long time
not fair and pretty coward attitude

so i am against, by concept, any form of moderation and rules like this

but here i never felt like moderation is watching you or anything like that

so, due to the problem exposed, i understand a rule is needed

on a practical side, 10 mns seems sooooo short to me , i often post something, and come back on the forum 30 mn later and re-read my post ... with 10 mns for someone like me it is like disabling the function anyway...

the problematic eraser anyway seems to erase long time after posting, when subject is closed isnt it ?

my 2 cts wink
suitandtieguy
i try really hard to live with what i post, and vice versa.

however, i'm very curious to see what decision this forum reaches. there's nothing more irritating than a post deleater or a slimy editor like the Beat Kangz, however judicious editing is a good thing.
Gordon Cole
Ghost Ghost Ghost
Kent
How about our own No Adam Henry policy? lol

I'm with Gordon on this one. It is an infrequent minority with bad manners. I'd say that a warning and then a banishment would be better.

In a long-term view; dokken's self-deletion won't matter in 6 months' time. I look at this forum as a repository of information for those that follow in our footsteps. On numerous occasions; due to my newness to Modular Synth Land; I've gone back and edited my posts as I've learned more. I've corrected data that was factually incorrect in order to give the next guy more relevant information in one post instead of updating the thread as time goes on. I find it to be more concise for future generations of Wigglers.
At one time, I had posted an incorrect statement about my Vostok because I was confused about something. Once it was figured out, I changed it.
I've also edited things for clarity once I've reread them several months later.

Perhaps a 6 month 'training period' for new posters; wherein they could edit their posts for some amount of time (10, 20, 30 minutes...) and then have full, time-restriction-free, editing powers; would be beneficial to the cause.

I am not in favor of having my voice restricted due to the irresponsibility, immaturity & bad manners of others; regardless of how the majority votes, it is the principle that should matter even if we must suffer the occasional fool. I have a hard time rationalizing the rush to alter things for everyone based upon the idiocy of a few. Take Argitoth; he was addressed in the correct manner and I'm keeping him in check on Modularsynth.net now.
Don't let the very very few bad apples spoil it for the rest of the bunch that makes this forum what it is. The core people will remain and the dead weight will sink. I've seen it time and again on well-moderated forums.

This place is like New York City; it's a playground for adults.
DGTom
I generally take the approach of editing prior to hitting submit & would not, as a rule, post anything on a public forum that I would not be happy saying out loud in public.

With regards to editing posts to ensure correct info, the same thing can be achieved by quoteing yourself & making sure the updated / corrected info goes on record as such.

I think the 30min timer would be the most workable, long enough to think about something & make a gracefull retraction, but not long enough that the edit button can be abused to upset the space time continuum Tinfoil Hat Tinfoil Hat Tinfoil Hat

Edit; ( hihi )

Although, Gordan brings up a good point about the For Sale section, both in terms of housekeeping & keeping a for sale notice updated without it becoming really long. For both buyers & sellers I think its good to keep the up to date info in the 1st post.
Kent
DGTom wrote:
Although, Gordan brings up a good point about the For Sale section, both in terms of housekeeping & keeping a for sale notice updated without it becoming really long. For both buyers & sellers I think its good to keep the up to date info in the 1st post.


That's how I feel about the whole forum. Keep it tidy as a resource and use the "Quote" or "Post Reply" as a way to 'bump' it.

Often, things read better in context. The replying can be for addressing points of conversation as they arise.
fonik
i would like to vote to leave the edit function as it is. why? just because it can reduce confusion as well. i used it in the past in other forums to replace wrong schematics with corrected versions (or even better removed them with a reference to the post below containing the correct version) or to update information on a project in the very first post (time frames, proces etc.).

however, i'd liked to appeal to all members to use this function in a wise, responsible and helpful manner. this should be sufficient. i don't want to loose this function just because of some particular cases. and hey, wait just a view days and this whole calamitous thread might have been drown in the flood of new helpful information and discussion.

just my 2 pence.
cebec
Babaluma wrote:
i'm againist the idea of removing the edit function in any way, because like most of us, i'm apt to make a complete dick of myself from time to time, especially if i'm inebriated. Guinness ftw!

on those rare occasions, it's been a pleasure for me to be able to retract/delete my post the next day.

i'm also against it in principle. do what thou wilt and all that. i feel that in a public forum if people want to self censor then they should be allowed to do so.


I agree. I want to be able to edit my posts. One troll should not ruin it for the rest of us.
suitandtieguy
cebec wrote:
One troll should not ruin it for the rest of us.


i just wanted to echo that. i thought about it while watching a couple episodes of Airwolf and realised that, yes, Stringfellow Hawke might not need to edit his posts, but he'd fight to be able to.
Soy Sos
I've only ever edited a post to correct poor spelling or grammer or update a link. If someone acts like a dick and deletes their posts, then ban them.
suitandtieguy
Soy Sos wrote:
If someone acts like a dick and deletes their posts, then ban them.


that too.
parasitk
I'd like to be able to edit my posts – I usually do it to fix spelling or clarity, or to update links that have become broken.

Although I am annoyed that it looks like I'm arguing with myself now in that thread. d'oh!

edit to add hihi - actually i quoted him enough that it doesn't look totally one sided.

I DO hate this post blanking thing too. Same tricks for the same kind of poster. very frustrating
pristak
I like being able to edit my posts. Usually it is for spelling, but sometimes I said something wrong and it is good to be able to clarify it or re-word it so that someone else doesn't get confused.

It is nice to indicate what it was edited for in some way if there is a major change.
Babaluma
i certainly don't agree that people should be banned just for deleting or editing their posts. that's way draconian.

do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

it's up to muff at the end of the day, but i've seen forums die in some way after strict moderation was enforced.
jonkull
I'd rather see a membership test where people have to answer questions like the one below in order to get an account.

Do you agree with the following statement?

"I'm tired of hearing awesome synth sounds that I can never recreate with my software synths."

On a serious note I'm mixed on this one. I edit posts once in a while but I don't remove them the way Dokken did. Though when you look at the posts that were removed they didn't really contain any kind of valuable information...unless you're looking to set up a modular that uses 88 VCOs all tuned to their own note so you can have perfect tracking and plan on buying a Z3000 just to use as a tuner. I mean what did we really lose here?
Cat-A-Tonic
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I'm with Gordon on this one. It is an infrequent minority with bad manners. I'd say that a warning and then a banishment would be better.

In a long-term view; dokken's self-deletion won't matter in 6 months' time. I look at this forum as a repository of information for those that follow in our footsteps. On numerous occasions; due to my newness to Modular Synth Land; I've gone back and edited my posts as I've learned more. I've corrected data that was factually incorrect in order to give the next guy more relevant information in one post instead of updating the thread as time goes on. I find it to be more concise for future generations of Wigglers.
At one time, I had posted an incorrect statement about my Vostok because I was confused about something. Once it was figured out, I changed it.
I've also edited things for clarity once I've reread them several months later.

Perhaps a 6 month 'training period' for new posters; wherein they could edit their posts for some amount of time (10, 20, 30 minutes...) and then have full, time-restriction-free, editing powers; would be beneficial to the cause.

I agree! with Kent and Gordon.
Self-editing can be useful for clarification at times.
Editing training wheels seems like a good way to go with new members.
parasitk
jonkull wrote:
"I'm tired of hearing awesome synth sounds that I can never recreate with my software synths."



this should the new forum tagline! hihi
chromium
I edit quite a bit when I do that occasional epic post, but only to improve reader experience Mr. Green (fix my bad spelin and grammatizin)

I'd never use the feature to change facts or delete any information. I'd selflessly opt instead to become immortalized as a complete yahoo on the www hihi
chromium
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parasitk
chromium wrote:
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jonkull
parasitk wrote:
jonkull wrote:
"I'm tired of hearing awesome synth sounds that I can never recreate with my software synths."



this should the new forum tagline! hihi


Well credit should go to dougcl though I do think it's an actual argitoth quote. I remember reading something similar on modularsynth.net
swordsect
I say 1 hour to edit.
thermionicjunky
I'm ambivalent about how to vote. But I think that most of us can recognize the pattern now. The next time we get our salad Tothed, let's just refuse to feed into it. It's fine to explain basic patching to a neophyte, but the refusal to use tutorials or pay attention to advice should be met with silence until the person adapts or fucks off.
parasitk
jonkull wrote:
parasitk wrote:
jonkull wrote:
"I'm tired of hearing awesome synth sounds that I can never recreate with my software synths."


this should the new forum tagline! hihi


Well credit should go to dougcl though I do think it's an actual argitoth quote. I remember reading something similar on modularsynth.net


Oh yes it is definitely an Argi quote - it just gets LOLz every time I see it.

swordsect wrote:
I say 1 hour to edit.


I'd hate that. Really I think any limitations on editing are a bad idea.

Like thermionicjunky said, let's just stop feeding the trolls.

I kept helping because I wanted to believe this guy was actually just really confused, and not Argi-Hex 2: The Reckoning. Hell, I kept helping after the personal attacks. Totally my bad. confused



edit to add: I don't mind a probationary period for new members...


Kent wrote:
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Last edited by Kent on Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:39 am; edited 2 times in total

hihi
jonkull
Yeah I was trying to be encouraging too but the fact that his response to people's suggestions was 'I'm studying electronic music and FM synthesis' was kind of annoying. If you're such a wealth of knowledge because you're studying synthesis that you don't need to check out a link someone posts then you shouldn't be asking stupid questions about basic shit like using a VCA to cut the audio coming from a VCO...
flippantminister
parasitk wrote:
Like thermionicjunky said, let's just stop feeding the trolls.


i think this is the best policy. once i figured out where that thread was going, i just stopped going to it. i personally don't care for the idea of post editing, i prefer to post carefully and let it stand. but there are occasions where it is useful(yes, i have even done it myself, but only within a few minutes of posting).

as someone stated before, this has happened only a handful of times over the course of almost 40,000 posts. i think that's a pretty good ratio.
Soy Sos
On the side of making post stand, I do get a certain entertainment factor from reading some of the really absurd treads. It's annoying and enjoyable at the same time. I was kind of pissed after some of the early Hex wars at Analogue Haven (?)over oscillator tracking (or what ever), seeing all his deleted posts and wanting to know what he said. Also there is valuable information to be had from many of the responses. Plus funny smarty pants remarks!
sandyb
it's a difficult one. i use the editing feature sometimes usually just to sort out spelling/grammar or update details etc..
people should take responsibility for what they post. does this mean they should be free to post bullshit and then take it away a few days later because they've had their fun? or should they have the right to post what they want but not delete it when they've decided they no longer want it in view (for whatever reason)? my view is if you say something you should stand by it and not edit it out of existence completely.
i quite like the idea of new posters having some sort of probation on their editing - it might help weed out the very occasional adam henry who comes along. i don't think argihex mk17 is going to hang around for 6 months or whatever just to delete all their posts.
i also agree with the view that if we don't feed the trolls they'll stop. the only thing with this is it sometimes takes a bit of time before a troll becomes apparent - the case in question seemed (to me anyway) to be a complete and somewhat lost newbie. it wasn't until his post in reply to my suggestion about reading some basic tutorial material that it became apparent that he was basically the next argihex. i really wanted to reply to his 'i've studied it and know what i'm talking about" notions but decided it was best to leave be. it's difficult though when somebody pisses you off and you see others trying to help and getting the same treatment very frustrating

given the options that the poll has i'm going to vote to keep the editing as it is. i'm sure every one of the members on this great forum is well able to be responsible for what they choose to post/edit. the people who aren't will i think disappear quickly.
NV
I like the idea of a probationary period as well. It could be something like four or six months with the 10-20-whatever minute editing period, although with the possibility of an early appeal. For example, say someone comes along who is clearly well informed, polite, and an asset to the forum. If he makes a post that needs to be edited at a later time (such as a schematics post, group buy post, buy/sell post, or simply something he needs to correct) then he could always appeal to the moderators for an early release from the probationary period. This forum is small and close-knit enough where it's quite easy to establish a feel for the personality of each poster rather quickly and I'm sure the moderators would know immediately upon receiving the message whether or not the particular poster was "worthy" of release. I'm not sure if this would end up being a hassle for the moderators or not, but it's an idea.

I'm all for the "don't feed the trolls" approach, but realistically it will never happen. There will always be someone who feeds the troll du jour, and doing so always encourages others to step in and toss some scraps or try to be a hero and save the thread and ultimately it just ends up being the same thing all over again. It's like Communism - great concept on paper, but something will always screw it up in practice.
mono-poly
I hate it when people can edit or remove posts.
And yeah sometimes i am fucked up to when i post stuff.

I also dislike it when people edit their for sale treads.
It is always need to use as a guide if you wanna know prices etc.
chinard
ok two things

first, for sale section.
being able to edit your post when you are selling multiple items or marking them as sold is really important.

second,
I am a scatterbrain. I can NEVER get my post right first edit especially if i am going into detail on something complicated then after i post i say, oh right, forgot about that...

i think the adam henry policy applies best. if someone is abusing post editing, clip their wings or ban them but dont punish the rest of us.
thermionicjunky
The most effective moderating on this forum has been the social contract between the users. This is a forum for mutual respects between professional and non-professional composers, producers, musicians and instrument designers. Beginners are encouraged to come here for help, but I believe that we've identified the tipping point in these threads. We can mitigate the effects of trolls by disengaging. If the troll responds with hostility, there are obvious remedies.

I might not be a bad idea for one to have to consider what one is posting. However, editing is convenient.
lightpolite
If a person leaves their trollish comments be, or edits them all out, the result is the same, which is that s/he looks ridiculous.

I posted a few embarrasing things in a forum in the past, rife with noobish excitement, and I let them lay, because although the search function lasts forever, people's memory on the internests goes back about a week. If anyone were to take me to task for these posts (which, who would?) I'd be honest and say, "my bad," or whatever the kids say these days.

Editing posts is a very practical thing, 99.9% of the time. Call out the person, not the technology, I say.

As for a probationary period, firstly, how much of a pain in the ass would it be for Muff to implement; secondly, this is a synth forum, not the O.T.O.; and thirdly, let people crash, burn, and hopefully learn from their mistakes, and if they don't, they will piss off eventually.

Thanks for indulging me again today, wigglers.
synthetic
It works both ways. If someone fixes their dickish post, I should be able to fix my dickish reply. smile The correct answer is not to feed the trolls.
Cybananna
After looking through all the responses, there's some good points both for and against. I have to stuck with my initial thought, allow editing. I rarely edit a post and if i do it's usually becuse I re-read it and realise there's no way anyone could understand what I was trying to say. So I'll try to make it more coherent. Not days later, but sometimes more than 10 min. or so. I would miss that ability

thermionicjunky wrote:
The most effective moderating on this forum has been the social contract between the users. This is a forum for mutual respects between professional and non-professional composers, producers, musicians and instrument designers.


Well put. That is exactly what makes the forum good. I think there's a good solid foundation in that. A few bad apples can't spoil that.

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parasitk
Cybananna wrote:

Well put. That is exactly what makes the forum good. I think there's a good solid foundation in that. A few bad apples can't spoil that.

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I just know you're going to edit and try to delete that "close italics" tag. Quoted so the people know the truth!
vurt
i dont know what i missed, but post and be damned!
if you make an idiot of yourself live with it. if you are actually an idiot let us mock you!
A Dingleberry Monstrosity
my vote is to ban dokken and set a time out period, like 4 hours or something. 4 hours after posting you cant edit the posts.
Cybananna
parasitk wrote:
Cybananna wrote:

Well put. That is exactly what makes the forum good. I think there's a good solid foundation in that. A few bad apples can't spoil that.

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I just know you're going to edit and try to delete that "close italics" tag. Quoted so the people know the truth!



f u Haha!

(I've been waiting for a chance to use that one!)
fluxmonkey
in general, i'm opposed to blanket rules, whether they're enforced by software or meatware. so i prefer leaving posts editable, which seems like the it leaves the most amount of freedom and responsibility w/ the individual. i'm much more comfortable with your light-handed case-by-case moderation, and peer pressure... these seem to be working pretty well, with only a few exceptions.

i feel the same way as you regarding folks just deleting posts... it annoys me. (almost as much as folks quoting 14pages of email conversation only to add "me to" at the top and then sending it out to 12,000 listmembers.) but i just make a mental note that so-n-so is an inconsiderate email illiterate and revaluate their remarks accordingly. same thing w/ repeat post-deleters.

i like to be able to go back and either correct blatant mistakes, or update info... especially on a forum like this, which serves as a knowledge repository in the future... if i find out a week later that my advice about testing power outlets with a butter knife while standing in a pool of water is in fact not a good idea (WHICH IS THE CASE--DO NOT TEST POWER OUTLETS WITH A BUTTER KNIFE WHILE WHILE STANDING IN A POOL OF WATER--IT IS A BAD IDEA, NOT A GOOD IDEA), i'd like to be able to go back and fix it, and not count on some noob finding my retraction 30 posts later.

hey, how about anybody can revise anybody's posts? sort of like a wiki? <foghornLeghorn>that's a joke, son</foghornLeghorn>
parasitk
fluxmonkey wrote:
(almost as much as folks quoting 14pages of email conversation only to add "me to" at the top and then sending it out to 12,000 listmembers.)


Ahhhh, Yahoo Group digests...
VanEck
I hate when people blank out there posts too... but I LOVE being able to edit my posts, as I tend to type very fast and am a terrible proofreader. I tend to notice mistakes after they have been psoted, and so I go in and edit any typos and misspellings.

Also, it is cool that you can "update" original posts in your threads and such, like when when you post about selling stuff, as opposed to having to create new posts or whatever.
Kent
fluxmonkey wrote:

hey, how about anybody can revise anybody's posts? sort of like a wiki? <foghornLeghorn>that's a joke, son</foghornLeghorn>


You are truly a man after my own heart.

The latter two gems were apt for Argitoth (You've no idea how long I've been waiting to use 'em!) :
flight
I didn't read every post, but does this forum engine have the capability for appending? Where you can add to your post - say, corrections & clarifications - but cannot change or delete the original post?
Muff Wiggler
wow, i gotta say, re-reading the first post in this thread - damn it's obvious to me (like I didn't know already) how horribly exhausted and over-worked I am at the moment oops And in particular at the time when I made that post.

i really sound bitchy and pretty unhappy and want to apologize to you all.

Important fact: At no point ever in my entire life, EVER, have I felt this forum is any sort of burden. The truth is I adore this place, I am *extremely honored* that you all find it so valuable, and it is a pleasure that I engage out of pure choice to serve you all as the membership here.

I do it because I *really really really* like to do it. When I'm too tired or busy, and don't have the time, I stay away. Sadly the past 6 months that has been more the rule than the exception. I've been very, very, very busy. The economy, layoffs ("rightsizing") and a very very complex new product have all conspired to keep me away from home and struggling to do the work of 5 people.

But, I love putting in effort on this place. I love it when people request stuff I can work on. I love every chance to make this place better and better for you all. I really do, and that's the reason I do it. I can't imagine that ever changing.

Some perspective:

I made that post late in the evening, after 10 hours of teaching people some complex stuff about deploying some custom PKI implementation. Then another 4-5 hours of taking this group for food and drinks.

That day started early, and it literally started on 2.5 hours sleep for me. I got in very late (stupid delayed flights) finally got to my hotel at 3am, then literally put in an hour work to prepare for the training session, before going to sleep for 2 and a half hours. Then working my butt off all day.

To say I was exhausted is an gross understatement.

Anyway, I don't like the idea of making excuses, but re-reading that first post I'm not happy about it. I should have just gone to sleep....instead I saw how that thread had ended up (yeah I got suckered as well and tried to help), and then seeing all those edited posts, it hit me harder than it should have due to the exhaustion. So out of mis-placed frustration I made this thread.

Anyway, this has been an interesting thread..... many many good points made. I can't respond to all of them but let me try to summarize....

I don't think editing posts should be removed. I do believe people should stand by what they post. It does drive me NUTS to see blanked out posts.

But, weighed against being able to correct your posts, update/revise information to be more accurate, or update sale topics, obviously post editing is needed. I agree with the 'address the individual, not the technology' concept. And why make all the good people suffer for one or two bad apples? Totally unfair. I'm sorry to put you all in this position.

Suit had an awesome point - "he wouldn't edit posts but he would fight for the right to allow it". Damn right.

Another killer point - out of 40K posts how many issues have we had here? It sure is rare. It just hit me at a very bad time - again sorry. I always end up happy that my policy is to defer/cater to the opinion of the forum at large, rather than be a dictator. You guys get it, thanks.

The mutual respect and self-censorsing vibe here sets the tone and it's one I'm proud of. I trust you guys to do the right thing.

Yes, let's stop feeding the trolls. But yes, let's recognize that's basically impossible. Let's be grateful the internet does have a short attention span!

Hey for note - I would never ever ban someone for blanking posts. That IS *way* draconian. Totally agreed and not my style. One person ever has been banned here (ok, two, but one was way temporary and a total mistake), and I know the vast majority would agree it was and is for the best and has served to benefit the forum at large.

I agree that moderation kills forums, yes I've seen it too. This forum has very light moderation. I hate any moderation. I'm passionate about freedom in general, freedom of speech in particular, and freedom of speech on the internet in super-particular. I hate moderating anything and prefer to let it stand. Again there's been very few, maybe 3 or 4 threads I've needed to moderate. And I didn't like doing it. But it became obvious (and people started to PM and emailing me asking to do something about it) it was needed, and afterwards most people agreed. And I lock, not delete, so people can see what led up to it. I hate doing this but as we've discussed at the time sometimes it's necessary. I'll do it when it's needed, and hope it continues to be needed as rarely as it has so far.

I like the idea a LOT of the probationary period, a certain number of posts or time before a user can edit. With an accelarated out for people who demonstrate a community-minded spirit. I agree we all have a good idea what people are like from their communications here.

But, and thanks to the member that pointed it out - this is a fairly large implementation for me. I could take it on, but not at the current time. It's a much larger modification than anything i've done so far to the current forum code, and I would have to do some learning first. Perhaps in a few months I will have the time but I just don't right now, there's a LOT of stuff going on with my work (OMG) at the moment.

Finally, to answer Flight's question in the post immediately above this one, the forum engine has the capability for just about anything we could want, based on customizing the open source code the forum is based on. I have made quite a few changes to the base code to add features I've wanted (or users have asked for), but they have all been somewhat simple (or written by others and simply pasted in by me) modifications. This appending feature is not in the native forum code base however, it would require modifications and new code to be written. It would be easier than the probationary period feature, but it would still be something I would have to put some work into. As I think it's best to allow full edits and not only appends, if I have the time to investigate some larger custom code changes, I'll probably look into the probation feature first, but I'll be honest that this is a way off.

Anyway, I know there were some great points I've missed while trying to address all the comments in this post, but I'm just too tired at the moment and wanted to get some reply out to all of you. Just for fun I will leave the poll up, but I think it was a stupid knee-jerk reaction for me to have created it in the first place and again I'm sorry. I don't think we should remove editing. If nothing else it's the 'punishing the many for the sins of the few' reasoning that alone is not something I would be happy to see happen.

So, forget I said anything, please oops I'm gonna rest up love


cheers


I like this place more and more with every single post from all you guys. Really, thanks.
neandrewthal
If you hate your previous post so much why don't you just edit it? goatse.cx
parasitk
Great, now we'll end up with:

Muff Wiggler in his original post wrote:
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Muff Wiggler
lol
Chuck E. Jesus
Muff Wiggler wrote:


So, forget I said anything, please oops I'm gonna rest up love



dammit, i just saw this thread! whatever, i'll still post,...i can always delete it later razz

as far as i'm concerned, this is your forum and you can do anything you want with it...if your choice is to stop or limit editing, i would have to live with it...but i personally would like to have the option to edit for a few reasons: i might have mistaken what someone said and wrote a dumb reply, i may have gotten my facts wrong, i may have had a little too much to drink and found that the hilarious comment i made the night before wasn't really that funny, etc...some of us may have the ability to always write succinct, lucid, and informative posts with excellent grammar and spelling every time, but others don't...

if a couple users out of a few years of your web existence edit out all their posts, that's not so bad...but i really think if you, Mr. Muff Wiggler, want to ban people, limit editing, or whatever, you have the perfect right to...like i was told by a very smart person: there are other places on the web to go...
flight
LOL
Muff Wiggler
ross g wrote:
like i was told by a very smart person: there are other places on the web to go...



i know who you are talking about and he's actually not all that smart at all in my opinion help
Chuck E. Jesus
Muff Wiggler wrote:
ross g wrote:
like i was told by a very smart person: there are other places on the web to go...



i know who you are talking about and he's actually not all that smart at all in my opinion help


actually it was a gal who told me during an orgy and "the web" was oh never mind...






how much time do i have to delete this post?
felix
I would like to be able to edit my posts simply because many times I just type poorly and want to make sure my post is legible, or in many cases, someone has posted while I was writing my post and I want to update what I wrote.

In nearly every case though, I do the editing within 5 minutes. The exception might be with For Sale posts, where I like to edit the original post so it's just easier to read for people.
Muff Wiggler
well, i removed the poll because -

ha! Now I can disable editing on a per-user basis for people that are abusing it.


this was actually very difficult to implement.

this is the ideal solution, i really agree about "don't make the masses pay for the sins of the few"
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