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New Serge M-odule released: the Stereo Mixer M-odule.
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Author New Serge M-odule released: the Stereo Mixer M-odule.
Parallel Worlds
hello,

a new Serge M-odule has been released: the 'Stereo Mixer' M-odule.

it contains (from left to right):
Quadrature Oscillator module, Dual Transient Generator module, Dual VCA (ac-coupled), Dual Channel Stereo Mixer module (with level and panning voltage controlled).

with this M-odule, the user is presented with a bank of six VCA's (two in the stereo mixer module, two in the Dual VCA, two hardwired in the two outs of the Quad Osc) and two transient generators plus a quadrature sinewave Osc.

so, he has plenty of cv sources to use for modulating volume (or AM synthesis) and for modulating Pan Position, etc...

the Quad Osc goes into well into Audio range, so it can be used as Audio source as well.

Price is 1700 USD.

M-odule photo is in the files section of the yahoo Serge Modular Users Group.

thanks,
Bakis.
astroschnautzer
serge seems pretty nice but these prices just feels unreal, 1700$ for this is just very weird, does serge use some super components or is it just the brand or what justifies these prices?
2012
astroschnautzer wrote:
serge seems pretty nice but these prices just feels unreal, 1700$ for this is just very weird, does serge use some super components or is it just the brand or what justifies these prices?


no, but Rex drives a Ferarri,and you know maintenance of those cars are expensive! hihi
mono-poly
Can we stop the always hating price crap?
If i get a system from modcan like this i would have to buy:

Dual LFO 05a $352.80
VC Dual ADSR $554.40
VCA Panner $433.65
Dual X-Fader $352.80

Total $1700 and a bit
Parallel Worlds
mono-poly wrote:
Can we stop the always hating price crap?
If i get a system from modcan like this i would have to buy:

Dual LFO 05a $352.80
VC Dual ADSR $554.40
VCA Panner $433.65
Dual X-Fader $352.80

Total $1700 and a bit


right.
BugBrand
And the Naked Creature thread shows just how much work goes into assembling these modules (even ignoring development) -- that's quite involved wiring there!
HexEnduction
When you hold one of these m-odules in yr hand you can actually see how intricate and insane the quality assurance is. The pictures I posted don't really do it justice. When you plug it in, turn it on and start patching you can hear every last cent in there. F'real.
astroschnautzer
Not trying to post any hatred on serge or their prices, I just did not understand where the price comes from, that an other manufacturer too has same kind of prices does not explain what makes some brands expenciver then others, I understand that serge for example is good build quality and top engineering but for me it seems still like a steep price, not trying to criticice people who buy or use serge, I could well see myself sometime in the future owning serge. I kind of guessed that somebody will be angry for asking this, mayby I should have put my words in an other way.
2012
BugBrand wrote:
And the Naked Creature thread shows just how much work goes into assembling these modules (even ignoring development) -- that's quite involved wiring there!


assembling,yes for sure,but there was no need to develop something as rex just has take over all (wonderfull) designs Serge made.

and for some of serge modules there is simply no alternative,so you pay or u buy doepfer..
Parallel Worlds
2012 wrote:
BugBrand wrote:
And the Naked Creature thread shows just how much work goes into assembling these modules (even ignoring development) -- that's quite involved wiring there!


assembling,yes for sure,but there was no need to develop something as rex just has take over all (wonderfull) designs Serge made.

and for some of serge modules there is simply no alternative,so you pay or u buy doepfer..


hey, Doepfer is great too! i have both big Doepfer and big Serge systems and use them in combination.
chimologic
Yes if the price seems to steep then don't buy it. It is expensive. But is totally worth it because there is nothing else like them. Besides the uniqueness in the sound there is a non quantifiable quality to playing with a beautiful Serge system the unique ways you can approach synthesis with the banana plugs and patch programmability, the unique modules, the layout and tactile feel of each module....

if its too expensive for you, don't buy it.more time for Rex to work on my orders! twisted

oh yes and one of these stereo mixers m-odules is in my future for sure.
b3nsf
Rex was telling me about how he matches components...

They test all the resistors and the like to determine what its value is then put one thousand of them in a sheet of styrofoam, with like values next to each other, somebody is matching these components by hand....

He also says finding two exactly matched components in a batch is 2 out of 1000...

This gives every knob an even and exact tuning ability completely linear soundwise, in reality its log matched to the human ear. not too shabby!!!!

and he's got a jeep for wisconsin winter, not ferarri
d'oh!
cebec
2012 wrote:

assembling,yes for sure,but there was no need to develop something as rex just has take over all (wonderfull) designs Serge made.


I think this is a common misconception.

Since Rex took over Serge production there has been a huge number of engineering changes, improvements, and tweaks. He is continually working on the 'sound' as well as the performance, and says he always uses his ears as the final guide. So, it's not simply a matter of sticking in some 'audiophile' component here and bumping the price up to match; he goes through many iterations of selecting components with the best specs and then listening, measuring, etc.

In addition to the M-class exclusive TGO and TGC, Rex designed the BLOG, PDIV, the grounding scheme, chassis, and a slew of custom IO options only available with the deeper boats. And that's just what I know from conversations.

Also, according to Rex, Serge did not make it easy to just step in and get to work. Apparently, Serge was pretty tired of it all at the time and just pointed Rex to a dusty, disused room full of parts and hand-drawn schematics and with an evil laugh, invited Rex to make sense of it all, himself, if he really wanted to continue the Serge Modular lineage.
astroschnautzer
Ok, this was what I was looking for, Serge really have special manufacturing procedures rather then just the brand and the functionality that there is no competition for. Very few talk about the serge sound, always about functionality, how is it sounding?
cebec
Well, everything on these pages is STS Serge and b3nsf has some great all-M-class pieces shared, too.
http://www.virb.com/cebec
http://share.ovi.com/channel/cebec.public

http://soundcloud.com/b3nsf

HexEnduction just posted a classy video/demo. of his new Creature M-odule:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ6wMrjSynw&fmt=18

I have to include Kkonkkrete's fantastic YouTube video, as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDIGxlM1rA&fmt=18

So, listen to these and hopefully that will give you a good sense of the 'sound'.
b3nsf
Rex told me something last night about the sound, because we were chatting about vactrols....

He said that the Serge stuff is very alive, quick responding, modulation screams into radio frequency range, dog whistle, infrasound, Booming bass...

the use of vactrols is on the phasors where its gloppy slugginess is welcomed, not on filters or vca's so these jump to life like a ring modulator, shooting out side bands and creating harmonics and over-tones... twisted

man, this is strong coffee Coffee Addiction FTW
mono-poly
Some Serge stuff:


http://mono-poly.blogspot.com/2009/03/noodlemono-poly-black-sunday.htm l
http://mono-poly.blogspot.com/2008/09/droneramayana.html
parasitk
cebec wrote:
Well, everything on these pages is STS Serge and b3nsf has some great all-M-class pieces shared, too.
http://www.virb.com/cebec
http://share.ovi.com/channel/cebec.public

http://soundcloud.com/b3nsf

HexEnduction just posted a classy video/demo. of his new Creature M-odule:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ6wMrjSynw&fmt=18

I have to include Kkonkkrete's fantastic YouTube video, as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDIGxlM1rA&fmt=18

So, listen to these and hopefully that will give you a good sense of the 'sound'.


Don't forget this fantastic Creature demo from REwire: http://www.rewiremusic.com/Audio/Demos/REwire_-_Serge_Creature_Demo.mp 3

@b3nsf: I certainly can't complain about vactrols in a VCA, that's for sure. I love the sound of low pass gates, and plan on building a couple of these 292c clone PCBs into a banana friendly format (likely Modcan A) for use with my future Serge!
makenoise
BugBrand wrote:
And the Naked Creature thread shows just how much work goes into assembling these modules (even ignoring development) -- that's quite involved wiring there!


It does not need to be so labor intensive or involved.

Tony
kkonkkrete
I have to include Kkonkkrete's fantastic YouTube video, as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDIGxlM1rA&fmt=18

Thanks cebec!

Here's a little speculation regarding the quadrature osc (I don't actually own one):
- note that little "Hold" input. I think that can be used for some pretty cool effects if you drive the oscs at audio rate. If you put an audio rate pulse wave in there running faster than the quad oscs, you should get some nice aliasing effects, as with the SSG. Interestingly, because the two oscs are out of phase, when the freq of the pulse is close to the freq of the oscs, you should get two different waveshapes at any given point of time, because the hold will occur at different stages of the cycle for the left and right half. That should sound like some kind of thickening if you blend the two outputs with a mixer.
- if you send the two outputs to a VC X-fader and mod the X-fade at audio rates, you should be able to get a pitch other than the base pitch coming out of the oscillators. I haven't thought this through properly, but I'd be curious to know if it works.

Just another example of how a Serge module that looks fairly routine at first blush may hide some interesting behaviours
cebec
kkonkkrete wrote:

...

Here's a little speculation regarding the quadrature osc (I don't actually own one):

- note that little "Hold" input. I think that can be used for some pretty cool effects if you drive the oscs at audio rate.

...

- if you send the two outputs to a VC X-fader and mod the X-fade at audio rates,

...



Hey, welcome!

Yeah, you're absolutely right about the first behavior. Just tried the second one, now. With an audio rate wave patched to VC XFADE it provides very different wave shapes than using the VC GAIN for AM; more of the QUO signal is preserved.
b3nsf
parasitik,

I was just trying to explain its sound, which is hard to do... not dissing vactrols at all I think they are cool, its hard to say "the VCA is a ring mod" or vice versa, without mentioning how blazingly fast it responds... just a characteristic etc....

razz


I wish I had a low pass gate too, maybe that clone..... hmmmm help
panda30y
b3nsf wrote:

I wish I had a low pass gate too, maybe that clone..... hmmmm help


I know cyndustries has a quad low pass gate module modeled after the buchla 292 if you want to go the non diy route.
astroschnautzer
Thanks for excellent audio demos and drones, I enjoyed listening to all of them. It sure seems that you can make a very wide range of stuff with just one or two m-panels. The "sound" seemed somewhat "hard" and precice and many patches was very complex. This clearly isn`t a synth made for equal tempered keyboard playing althogh you could probably do it cos just about every function had the label v/oct that can have one, nice:)
b3nsf
i honestly dont know about the equal tempered stuff, because my dual osc is being built starting today!!!! w00t

I've been using generators for sound sources and well, they can be very microtonal lets just call it that, yeah!! Mr. Green

but as soon as that puppy arrives I'll be making something normal with it, just to flip the script, besides it sounds like a challenge...
I'm a "sounds" guy, meaning I love making stuff thats far from the standards for music composition and normalcy Dalek Peter Grenader
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