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darenager
Browsing on ebay UK noticed that at least 3 traders are selling Tenori On brand new for £209, it is the orange version but still a great price IMHO

Great for polyrhythmic stuff and using as a alternative keyboard, the internal sounds are a bit hit and miss but £209!
sonicwarrior
In Germany they are at 250 € now. Don't know if that's a sellout price.

Edit: Btw.: The orange one cannot be run with batteries which sucks, e.g. for live use or while travelling.
mckenic
FUCK!

Can you guys post a link to UK or German places that are blowing these out please?

I have a silver but MAN! What a machine for around the price of a Monotribe!
Nelson Baboon
these were posted on gearslutz:
http://www.dv247.com/keyboards-and-midi/yamaha-tenori-on-orange-digita l-performance-controller--69673
http://www.thomann.de/gb/yamaha_tenori_on_tnro.htm
mckenic
Jesus!

Thanks Nelson! Woah!

Is it just me or that I lusted after one for ages (and got one on here!)... this seems crazy - these used to be like €600! Anyone know if they are discontinuing them or something?

The DV one has an added strangeness for me - perhaps its my paranoia... if the price is set to £stg - its £209 (or €245). However its still at €499 if you do the Euro price... Perhaps Im just smelling something fishy when there is nothing there...

I missed out when Thomann were blowing-out the Hartmann Neuron software for like €45 - this feels like that level of crazy again to me!
Nelson Baboon
I don't know. I get paid on Thursday, and I'm tempted to pick up one from thomann, even with the international shipping.

I emailed novamusik to see if the price drops are coming here, but I got no response. (nova people are nice, but I'm increasingly disappointed by the fact that they list stuff that is in stock when it isn't, they don't update it when this is verified, they don't contact you when it turns out that what you ordered is out of stock, etc. I think that they need to hire more people or something, but the support people don't suck - the support sucks).

mckenic wrote:
Jesus!

Thanks Nelson! Woah!

Is it just me or that I lusted after one for ages (and got one on here!)... this seems crazy - these used to be like €600! Anyone know if they are discontinuing them or something?

The DV one has an added strangeness for me - perhaps its my paranoia... if the price is set to £stg - its £209 (or €245). However its still at €499 if you do the Euro price... Perhaps Im just smelling something fishy when there is nothing there...

I missed out when Thomann were blowing-out the Hartmann Neuron software for like €45 - this feels like that level of crazy again to me!
mckenic
Phew!

I have a STUPID student credit card with about that much as a limit - gonna have to check to see if I can cover it & then pick one up I think!

AFAIK Thomann take Paypal - I could pick one up for you Nelson and send it on if your interested... Drop me a PM if you want...

thumbs up
sonicwarrior
mckenic wrote:
Can you guys post a link to UK or German places that are blowing these out please?


I guess this is the current price for all the big German sellers (except Musik Produktiv):
Music Store
Just Music
Session Music / Musik Schmidt (currently not available)
PPC Music

Thomann, Just Music, PPC and Music Store all take Paypal, only Session Music does not.
richard
I'm thinking yes but no but yes but no but

how many sequencers does a man need? Haven't got to grips with the Cirklon yet

but then again, I always wondered about these things....
tIB
i nearly bit when they had them on sale at 350... mighty tempted now though would rather wait until i got payment in on some stuff im selling. incidentally richard, cash will be going out of my cirklon fund.

edit: fuck it, i bit- one less in the DV stock pile. cheers for the headsup daren. smile
jenamu6
No matter how cheap......it's still a underpowered machine.
tIB
maybe, the sequencer seems alright though and I plan to bolt my xpander onto it for a while...
darenager
No probs, sure it has some quirks, but just as a realtime midi input device a lot of fun for the experimental mind, be sure to unlock advance mode which allows you to assign the sequencers as you like.

http://tenori-onusa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28&start=0&st=0&sk=t &sd=a&sid=47f795d7ab08b4b432e72dbf0918a1b4

thumbs up

EDIT - Look foreward to hearing it hooked up to the xpander!
darenager
Here's a jam I did a few years back using it with a KP3

tIB
it may well be my new drum machine- just bung some samples in and hit the bounce mode!

nice vid, care to elaborate on the strengths/weaknesses as a midi sequencer?
Gigantoad
Just pulled the trigger on one. Thanks for the info! Rockin' Banana!
darenager
tIB wrote:
it may well be my new drum machine- just bung some samples in and hit the bounce mode!

nice vid, care to elaborate on the strengths/weaknesses as a midi sequencer?


Yeah bounce mode is cool, but for drums solo mode is pretty killer too, the score mode tracks can each have independant first/last step length and time division i.e 1/4, 1/2, 1x, 2x etc But really all the sequencer modes have a use, main drawbacks for me are set note length per track, no velocity, fixed midi channels. But overall for hooking into another sequencer to capture the data, or for setting up with the modular I don't think you'll be disappointed.

If you hook it up to your Beat Kang Thang (MPC2000xl for anyone thinking Andy really has one) you can capture all 16 channels at once then do any editing on the MP.

Theres are a few preset scales and one global user scale, you can switch between patterns instantly rather than having to wait for it to end, song recording records exactly what you play with no editing, but it is easy enough to redo it so not really a major issue. Sync seems to be fine both in and out.

In summary I would say it is simple fun to use, and can take your composition in different directions than usual, the inbuilt sounds are a mixed bag, lots of seemingly identical marimbas/organs/vibes and some real turds, but also some quite nice sounds too, sound quality is typical Yamaha rompler. It can be fun to process the output with the modular. You can load in 3 banks of 16 0.97 second samples, my advice is to put sounds you will not get sick of in there because changing them is a bit of a pain as they are global to all patterns and songs, it is a good idea to be consistent with your mapping if you are using them for drum sounds.
tIB
cheers for that, im really hoping i can get my asol mt9 going with it, seems like it could be a great trigger controller if so, if not theres plenty to fall back on- kenton pro2000, xpander or just process the shit out of it. im quite optimistic!
Pfurmel
Cool, 244 euro on thomann and postage is free too! I've been on the fence about these since they came out, hard to go wrong at that price though.
Synesthesia
Damn this is cheap as chips ... already have one though. really like mine.

weird that it would be discontinued, yamaha released a new firmware not long ago ...
mckenic
Yeah and the iPad app - not sure its being discontinued tho! Anyone have anything official? A v.2 Tenori hardware?
tIB
im rather ridiculously excited by tomorrows arrival... been cruising reviews and demos and whilst the internal sounds seem a bit crap I have plenty of things to run through and plenty to sequence with. mostly im just looking forward to something that's immediate, intuitive and fun.
tIB
arrived... and its brilliant!!!
Pfurmel
Some videos would be much appreciated...









And maybe some of the tenori-on too hihi
Zenn
Man this makes my purse itch...
tIB
tIB dont do video... tIB do audio:

[s]http://soundcloud.com/t1b/ten-minutes-of-tenori-on[/s]

to quote my soundcloud:

Quote:
first plays, arrived 3 hours ago. first two bits tenori only, 2nd two sequencing xpander and providing drums, ran through bugbrand pt delay (and EuF in the last bit). love
Kent
It's not discontinued, guys. We just have too damn many of the Orange ones in stock (in Europe) and need to move 'em out. This is a temporary price drop, but should be good for a few months at the expected sell rate.
tIB
mini review:

^ its a ton of fun(K)! a really interesting rhythm sequencer- polyriddim central, kind i wish i had it whilst the MD was around, though Id imagine getting it to play nice may have been an issue. yeah its good, soundwise 90 percent of it is shite but theres enough to keep me interested as a sequencer for sure. uploaded my own samples earlier, didnt take anywhere near as long as i expected, plays nice, a real shame there's not more user banks... more would most definitely be nice, as would a better sound bank full stop. I definitely like it though, i like it a lot!
Pfurmel
It sounds great with the EuF! I think I might take advantage of the price drop.
So has anyone used one with the modular yet?
tIB
Everything sounds great with euf! (The bug delay is also adding some distortion, really nice gain/dist on the preamps.)

Tenori to modular this morning...
tIB
OK, so after an hour or so sending the T-O into the modular (via pro2000) I can safely say its incredible and at 200 quid an absolute bargain.

unfortunately my GT9 is broke so I could sequence modular percussion with it, though I had some heavily processed bug samples. sequencing the modular are 2 machines- a random and a bounce... its seriously amazing!

[s]http://soundcloud.com/tib/tenori-vs-eurorack[/s]

everyone with any kind of midi-cv should own one of these things!
theabsent
Is it possible to send note information to multiple midi channels (multitimbral)?
tIB
^ thats pretty much the only way it send midi data- each channel has its own midi track.
theabsent
I'll find the manual then... might be great with MCV24 and
http://www.engineersatwork.nl/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/58/produc ts_id/536 plus
http://www.doepfer.de/MTV16.htm
tIB
it surely would!

i have an MT9 I was going to use it with but its not working atm...
Pfurmel
tIB wrote:
OK, so after an hour or so sending the T-O into the modular (via pro2000) I can safely say its incredible and at 200 quid an absolute bargain.



Lovely demo, thats me sold.
tIB
^ hurrah, that was pretty much my intention!
phono1337
Kent wrote:
It's not discontinued, guys. We just have too damn many of the Orange ones in stock (in Europe) and need to move 'em out. This is a temporary price drop, but should be good for a few months at the expected sell rate.


yeah you cant even give them away....oh wait lol applause


just pulled the trigger on one, always wanted one and at that price its a no brainer
richard
bollocks Tib

I am trying to be a good man but you are not helping

that last demo sounds very interesting,

shit, need to sell this bloody Blofeld
Kent
phono1337 wrote:

yeah you cant even give them away....oh wait lol applause


8_) Yeah, I'd pretty much forgotten about that! The choice wasn't related to that at the time though.
aksen
tIB wrote:
http://soundcloud.com/tib/tenori-vs-eurorack

you bastard. you owe me credit card money now due to that demo Dead Banana

ah who needs to save for a house anyway! w00t
tIB
richard wrote:
bollocks Tib

I am trying to be a good man but you are not helping

that last demo sounds very interesting,

shit, need to sell this bloody Blofeld


ironic given i was seriously looking at your blofeld but spent the money on the tenori... seems it would make a great partner for the tenori too... but i cant because im skint.

nice to see im dragging more folk into financial irresponsibility... ah demos, makes it easier to sleep at night knowing others will do the same!
Umcorps
Just to butt in with my experience of T-O and midi which have been mixed.

Long story cut short is I've found its most useful when you go indirectly to the modular, especially if you have a monophonic midi/cv converter. As each layer of the T-O is on a different channel you really need to merge them down to get complex sequences going.

Also, its easier to re-channel layers in software than it is poking around in the T-Os menu system.

The other thing to watch out for is that the T-O sends out a bunch of sysex any time you perform almost any action on it. That's nice for linking them together in an intelligent way but kills some midi interfaces.

In particular any interface based around the MCV876 seems to hang every time it gets sysex from the T-O so you need to filter that stuff out before it goes anywhere.

This pissed me off greatly as I had big hopes for pairing up my Tinysizer directly with the T-O as a mobile synth/seq rig but they just won't play nice without putting a MidiPipe filter between them. very frustrating

That said, when it does work its big fun. Cue the chance to resurrect an old video of me putting the T-O to do CV sequencing duties.

richard
Sorry Tib, what I meant to write was that that demo sounds shit, perhaps you would like to swap that crappy plastic Tenori On for a Blofeld?

It's peanut butter jelly time! nanners It's peanut butter jelly time!
tIB
^ the tempatation to use this f u proved too strong!

Whilst Im tempted Im way out of funds and don't need it anyway.

of course, the temptation to ask if it has the sample upgrade and my own stupidity is just as strong as the pull of rude smilies...
richard
nope, f'raid not
tIB
still a great price, though Ill sleep better tonight.
relaxing
Umcorps wrote:
Just to butt in with my experience of T-O and midi which have been mixed.

Long story cut short is I've found its most useful when you go indirectly to the modular, especially if you have a monophonic midi/cv converter. As each layer of the T-O is on a different channel you really need to merge them down to get complex sequences going.

Also, its easier to re-channel layers in software than it is poking around in the T-Os menu system.

The other thing to watch out for is that the T-O sends out a bunch of sysex any time you perform almost any action on it. That's nice for linking them together in an intelligent way but kills some midi interfaces.

In particular any interface based around the MCV876 seems to hang every time it gets sysex from the T-O so you need to filter that stuff out before it goes anywhere.

This pissed me off greatly as I had big hopes for pairing up my Tinysizer directly with the T-O as a mobile synth/seq rig but they just won't play nice without putting a MidiPipe filter between them. very frustrating

That said, when it does work its big fun. Cue the chance to resurrect an old video of me putting the T-O to do CV sequencing duties.


It works great with the Encore Expressionist... 8 channels of polyrhythmic 16-step CV-controlled fun MY ASS IS BLEEDING

The tracks on the Soundcloud link in my sig are all Tenori-on, single take, stock sounds. Making a glacial ambient album on the TO was particularly challenging as there aren't many sounds with slow attacks, but that major downside was slightly offset by the ability to
1) write music in bed
2) 16x16 step sequences with independent lengths, timings, and timbres blah blah... makes working around limitations like fixed note length/sequence not so bad and leads to many "happy accidents"
3) abuse Yamaha's incredibly trashy rompler engine by pitching samples down -5 octaves, which timestretches the samples and brings out neat aliasing artifacts, although seriously fuck Yamaha and their shitty synth, "Advanced Wave Modeling" what a joke
Dead Banana

On the upside, getting frustrated with the TO's stock sounds has led me on my current journey of turning my modular into a 4 voice polysynth to be driven by the TO. Now I just need to get back in the studio and record...
tIB
in contrast your rather lovely tenori sounds I did this earlier:

[s]http://soundcloud.com/t1b/tenori-on-vs-bugbrand-modular[/s]

bug modular vs tenori-on. T-O doing all the sequencing, bugbrand doing 90% of the sounds (a bugbrand drum set courtesy of daren ager).

@ relaxing: thanks for the octave shifting tips. some lovely stuff there, just going through them now. look forward to hearing your 4 voice poly stuff, I managed that in modular for a brief spell- 2 HD into 2 QMMG with 2 maths. youll do better with the expressionist that I did with the kenton thats for sure.
ersatzplanet
Umcorps wrote:

The other thing to watch out for is that the T-O sends out a bunch of sysex any time you perform almost any action on it. That's nice for linking them together in an intelligent way but kills some midi interfaces.


That is my biggest problem with it. I have had the metal version for some time now - maybe a year. It is a great little machine to jam up tunes on and to control other machines. The internal sounds are pretty J-pop sounding and the three user loadable sounds are cool but it take FOREVER to load them from the SD card. There are a few actions that when don sent a tone of sysex as mentioned. My MIDI switcher will change channels etc. I commonly plug directly into a spare laptop running Reason with a special patch built just for the T-O. The sysex stuff messes with Reason also. If you are using internal delay in reason synced to the MIDI, it will lose sync for a little bit when you do some things - sounds like it is bending notes cause it changes time. Another annoyance is that if left sitting for a while it will jump into "Clock mode" where it shows the time in large numerals an moving second dot.

The advanced mode is something you have to do for sure. This allows you to change the track modes and save them. This way you can remove some of the less useful modes (for me those are the Random and bouncing ball ones) and program in the tracks to default to the way you want. I have a bunch of Score Modes and Draw Modes and a few Push Modes and a Solo Mode on mine. The Draw Mode will act like a typical sequencer and you can play in phrases and they will be recorded with all the timing etc. The problem is the syncing will off if you stop and reset the Score tracks. The "start" of the Draw track is not as obvious as the Score tracks.

If you want to see a MASTER at work on the Tenori-On then do a google "King Tet Tenori-on" - that cat can program the shit out of the thing. Go to his YouTube channel and see that this machine can do some serious stuff when plugged to outside gear.

Also - Buy a spare MIDI cable - they break easily.

-James
Nelson Baboon
Can the sequencer send out midi cc?
tIB
Don't think so- AFAIK its note data only.
Nelson Baboon
ah, well. That's too bad. Won't buy one, then.
ersatzplanet
Nelson Baboon wrote:
Can the sequencer send out midi cc?


The only non-notr MIDI events the T-O can send are Volume control for each MIDI channel, Master Volume, Master Tune, and Continue. It can receive a bunch of stuff - these can change depending on which mode you are in (as a master or slave). The MIDI chart is on page 115 of the manual which you can get here:
www.global.yamaha.com/tenori-on/downloads/pdf/manual.pdf

All the other manuals - Quick Start, Precautions, User Voice Manager manual - can be found here:
http://www.global.yamaha.com/tenori-on/downloads/

I think the sales of the unit started to fall a little when the iPad version came out. The iPad version is quite faithful to the hardware one but of course lacks the tactile feel, blinky lights, user voice function (I wonder about that decision - yeesh), and MIDI (without an adaptor).
-James
tIB
yeah, its by no means a fully featured sequencer- it somehow manages to combine extremely limited with some more advanced sequencer features. there's fun to be had, though I suspect its failings would drive you mad. I love it, it's music tetris.
Umcorps
Nelson Baboon wrote:
Can the sequencer send out midi cc?


Nope.

Which is another good/bad reason for using an indirect connection.

Converting note to CC is pretty trivial in software - I have a Logic environment to do T-O conversions/channel merges. But that means I have to have a computer in the chain and thats not what I'm interested in just now.

If you don't mind using software as an intermediary the T-O is a really interesting controller. It's such a shame that there isn't enough flexibility in the current firmware to allow you to use it as such on its own.
Nelson Baboon
Umcorps wrote:
Nelson Baboon wrote:
Can the sequencer send out midi cc?


Nope.

Which is another good/bad reason for using an indirect connection.

Converting note to CC is pretty trivial in software - I have a Logic environment to do T-O conversions/channel merges. But that means I have to have a computer in the chain and thats not what I'm interested in just now.

If you don't mind using software as an intermediary the T-O is a really interesting controller. It's such a shame that there isn't enough flexibility in the current firmware to allow you to use it as such on its own.


I have enough sequencing, that relying on conversion of data through logic or some other software makes the whole thing unappealing to me.
tIB
As a MIDI controller it seems too much a PITA.... Perfect for people with multiple channels of MIDI-CV to send voltage into a modular though.

If nothing else its confirmed to me that I'm much happier with sequencers with keys/buttons than I am with a bunch of knobs.
relaxing
Umcorps wrote:
Nelson Baboon wrote:
Can the sequencer send out midi cc?


Nope.

Which is another good/bad reason for using an indirect connection.

Converting note to CC is pretty trivial in software - I have a Logic environment to do T-O conversions/channel merges. But that means I have to have a computer in the chain and thats not what I'm interested in just now.

Just out of curiosity, what's the application for this? (Turning MIDI note # into MIDI CC?)

In any case, it definitely sends some CC's... bank select screws me up sometimes because the Expressionist listens to it. I'm pretty sure the per-channel pan control is sent too.
Umcorps
relaxing wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what's the application for this? (Turning MIDI note # into MIDI CC?)


I'm talking about using Apple Logic

There's a thing called the Environment in there which is a sort of virtual modular for midi. Very simple to do basic transforms like this.

But I'm fairly sure you can do the same thing for free with MidiPipe. It's been a long time since I used Windows but I think MidiOx would do the same thing as well.
relaxing
Umcorps wrote:
relaxing wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what's the application for this? (Turning MIDI note # into MIDI CC?)


I'm talking about using Apple Logic

There's a thing called the Environment in there which is a sort of virtual modular for midi. Very simple to do basic transforms like this.

But I'm fairly sure you can do the same thing for free with MidiPipe. It's been a long time since I used Windows but I think MidiOx would do the same thing as well.

Oops, I meant "application" as in "what do you do with those CC's that you can't do with MIDI notes?"
Umcorps
Sorry. Got lost in translation!

I guess it depends on your midi/CV interface but, as mine is just one channel (A-190-1), converting notes to CC gives me a second set of C/Vs to play with.
relaxing
Oh, weird. If there's already a second DAC in there, making it listen to a second MIDI channel rather than CC's should be a simple software problem.

(Edit) It looks like you only get one gate, though? Odd. Someone must make a better converter for frac?
digital_steve
Where the hell are all these cheap tenori's!?
aksen
digital_steve wrote:
Where the hell are all these cheap tenori's!?

i ordered mine from here:

http://www.musicstore.com/en_EN/EUR/Yamaha-Tenori-On-Orange-Sampler-Se quencer/art-SYN0003619-000

20 euros for shipping to australia, and you can remove VAT, so it comes to around $310 landed here. obviously hasn't arrived yet as i only ordered it on friday, but i've ordered from this place before.
digital_steve
aksen wrote:
digital_steve wrote:
Where the hell are all these cheap tenori's!?

i ordered mine from here:

http://www.musicstore.com/en_EN/EUR/Yamaha-Tenori-On-Orange-Sampler-Se quencer/art-SYN0003619-000

20 euros for shipping to australia, and you can remove VAT, so it comes to around $310 landed here. obviously hasn't arrived yet as i only ordered it on friday, but i've ordered from this place before.


Nice one! Cheers
... can you order me one too, i'm a bit short.
d'oh!
aksen
hehe this was the straw that broke my credit card's back this month...
digital_steve
Last payment on a Voyager XL broke mine... but i shan't mention it too loud, as it's not a popular synth around most parts... shhhh thumbs up

I'd like the black and white tenori... but that's the uber expensive one with sampling, artificial intelligence and dishwashing capability. I hate orange!
Madrayken
relaxing wrote:

The tracks on the Soundcloud link in my sig are all Tenori-on, single take, stock sounds. Making a glacial ambient album on the TO was particularly challenging as there aren't many sounds with slow attacks


Holy crap.
1) I have owned a white Tenori-On for years
2) I write ambient droney-stuff

I had given up on the device as a viable source for this kind of work - unless massively granular-processed.

You've inspired me, sir.
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