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Post by fate » Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:03 am

I ordered last night, just curious but is a s/pdif cable supplied?

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Post by os » Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:12 am

An S/PDIF cable is not included.

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Post by ultrashock » Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:41 pm

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just a small clarification.
From your site I've read that ES-4 works on 192kHz frequency. So, the project in my DAW (logic, live or so) should be also in 192kHz?
Is there any chance to set up ES-4 working without one more audio interface? (keeping in mind that macbooks have stereopair of digital and stereopair of analogue outputs (only restriction that they are combined in a small 3.5" jack hole..) - If it is possible to do it for at least output the cv only (while not recording the audio stuff from the synths)
and one more question to all - have you checked that macbooks (pros and ordinary ones) support up to true 192kHz optical digital i\o? I had only up to 96kHz in audio/midi setup of my built-in audio (macbok 2008 - I know, time to upgrade but it works like new)

upd: just found:
While the ES-4 is specified to run at 192kHz, at the time of writing this has not been tested. Operation up to 96kHz however has been tested and verified.
so, everything should be okay!
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Post by os » Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:52 pm

The ES-4 may work at 192kHz. I've not been able to verify that yet.

The ES-4 would adopt whatever rate your audio outputs are set to, which would typically be the same as what the DAW is using (usually the DAW controls the hardware).

Yes, you can use the ES-4 with the Mac's built-in output. See
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I'd be very surprised if the Mac's built-in output supports 192kHz. My MacBook Pro's output only goes up to 96kHz.

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Post by ultrashock » Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:21 pm

o, yeah, now everything is clear!
ES-4 is a genious device!!!
p.s.: I just found that it's better to buy direct M-M: Toslink-to-Mini Toslink Cable

instead of this one (M-F):

for use with optical to coaxial converter, right?

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Post by os » Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:10 pm

Yes, probably a more reliable connection without the adaptor.

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Post by chrisso » Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:57 pm

Loving this thread. Clearing up quite a few ES4 confusions for me.
My only question is about the older (2007) Intel iMac, combined audio and digital mini-jack output.
Can I use it (as aggregate device with Lynx Aurora Firewire), and do I use the same adapter cables discussed here, or a different one?

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Post by os » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:43 am

As far as I know the combined digital/analogue minijacks have always been the same.

If in doubt, plug a TOSlink cable into it (with a min-TOSlink adaptor) and route audio to the built-in output. If you see light coming out of the cable, you're in business.

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Post by chrisso » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:25 pm

Confirming I have this correct then....
To use imac I need mini-toslink to toslink cable (linked earlier), Digital Optical TOSlink to SPDIF Coaxial Audio Converter (linked earlier) and spdif cable to link coaxial converter to ES4?

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Post by os » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:54 am

Not sure what you mean by "spdif cable to link coaxial converter". From the TOSlink-to-SPDIF converter you just connect to the ES-4 via a coaxial SPDIF cable.

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Post by chrisso » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:56 am

Maybe I'm confused then.
This.....
os wrote:You will also most likely need a TOSlink adaptor and an optical to coaxial converter, both of which are dirt cheap.
So iMac > mini toslink to toslink cable > optical to coaxial converter > spdif cable > ES4.

That right?

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Post by os » Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:02 am

Yes. Basically as in this video, but from the iMac rather than the Turtle Beach thing:
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Post by radiodread87 » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:10 am

I am trying to get this to work with ableton on my macbook pro but not having much luck.

It will work at home on when running from an audio interface but I had wanted to use the built in macbook output so I could use my system live.

I connected the Mini toslink to toslink cable > to Toslink to Coaxial convertor > that is going via an RCA style cable to the ES4.

The red light on the ES4 wont light up.

Currently I have just the silent way stuff outputting, when the Toslink cable isnt connected to the mac there is a "popping" coming from the speakers in time with the silent way voice controller.

Is it a question of Routing? and if so how would one typically route the Audio from the Silent way LFO track or Voice controller track to the output of the ES4?

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Post by os » Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:39 am

If the only audio output you have active is the Mac's built-in output, there's no routing to be done, really.

Have you selected the Mac's built-in output as the output device in Live? As soon as you do that, the ES-4's sync light should light. If it doesn't, nothing will work, and in which case I would suspect the cables/adaptors.

If you leave the toslink cable plugged in to the Mac, but unplug the other end, you should see the red laser light shining out of it.

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Post by radiodread87 » Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:50 am

Hey OS

Yeah I actually just figured it all out, the adaptor box I got was not working. I will return it and get another one tomorrow. sorry for the drama.
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Post by xandersingh » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:48 pm

Hey guys! will be picking up an ES-4 soon and using it through my macbook pro's headphone jack as an aggregate device alongside my Apogee Duet 2. Was wondering if the items in these links are what I need to get the job done. Also if there are better brands than these let me know. also on the other hand, if anyone knows of anything like a USB-S/PDIF interface for cheap let me know, thanks!





http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DRA501/

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Post by xandersingh » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:59 pm

cool, im assuming the turtle beach thing just replaces the headphone jack and i still need everything else?

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Post by xandersingh » Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:13 pm

also would this work?



this than, a spdif cable straight to the ES-4?

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Post by os » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:30 pm

xandersingh wrote:cool, im assuming the turtle beach thing just replaces the headphone jack and i still need everything else?
Yes. Be aware though that it's USB 1.1 class compliant, which means 16 bit audio, which means you lose channel 5 of the ES-4.
also would this work?



this than, a spdif cable straight to the ES-4?
Yes, probably. I'm always suspicious of audiophile gear like this though. Read the reviews - talking about the sound improving with a more expensive USB cable! If you get one I'd be interested to hear how it works out.

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Post by xandersingh » Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:06 pm

ill likey get something like those. (I'm a stickler for cable clutter). Ill let you know how it works!

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Post by xandersingh » Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:16 pm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-S-PDIF-Digi ... 854wt_1398

this also seems cheap enough to take a chance on :-)

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Post by os » Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:31 pm

Yes, worth a try! It will be USB 1.1 again though.

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Post by The Asterism » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:57 am

Can someone clarify something for me please:

- with the ES-4, there are the two pre-calibrated pitch CV outputs,
but can any of the other five be calibrated using Silent Way software so that they can also control pitch to create a polyphonic setup?
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