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Arturia MiniBrute Analog mono synth!!!
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Thundersack88

mckenic wrote:
hihi

LAST thing i want is "conventional synth sounds and acoustic emulations."


Seriously... who the hell looks at an analog synth in 2012 and goes "Oh man this is going to produce some of those killer viola and flute sounds ive been after!"


mckenic

Yeah, I think acoustic emulations could be cut from that quote - do not want conventional synth sounds!


pulse_divider

jbartee wrote:
It's a really obnoxious portion of the article tbh.

He opens with: "The world cries out for 24dB/octave filters that have the M-word at the front of them."

He goes on to list ARP 4012 / 4075, SSM and CEM filters as all being better choices than the Steiner.

Then he explicitly states that the Synthacon is only held in high regard because it's rare, and that the reason it didn't sell well is precisely because of its filter that can't produce (direct quote) "conventional synth sounds and acoustic emulations."

I dunno, the dude's clearly coming at this thing from a very different angle than I am. In any case he doesn't seem to think it's that big of a deal ultimately, since he still predicts it's going to sell boat loads.


I haven't read the full article, just the teaser on the SOS site.
But in fairness to the reviewer, in the context of possible sales numbers he's likely correct... a more famous filter topology would probably sell more synths for Arturia. Just the fact that the general public (Ebay anyone?) uses the term "Moog filter" to describe just about any 24db LPF shows how uninformed people can be.
Whether or not you like Gordon Reid, he certainly is pretty well informed on this stuff and not some clueless noob. I'm sure he has experience with all the filters he mentions.


numbertalk

Yeah, agree with him or not, Gordon Reid is a veteran.


MrDys

The filter was probably the least of it that made me want to get it. Personally, I love that there's an oscillator mixer and that each wave shape has its own dedicated waveshaper control (PWM, super saw, wave folder). That's the type of synth voice that I regularly patch up with my modular, so it's great to see it in one package. It's like they read my mind.

You could have swapped in any number of filters in the minibrute and I still would have gotten it based on the voice architecture.


jbartee

I'm not sure I agree that the filter choice is going to hurt Arturia in the marketplace. I think the target demographic could give a crap about filter architecture really, and if they're drinking the Moog-aid then they're not going to be converted by a moog knock-off anyway. The aggressive character of the Steiner might actually appeal more to the young blood than classic 24/dB. Will be interesting to see.

Anyway Reid does a good job covering the synth and actually seems to quite like it in the end. The filter discussion is obnoxious because it just feels like an arbitrary aesthetic judgement. It's fine and even helpful to point out that this isn't going to give you cream like a moog LPF does, but the article editorializes in a way that makes me feel like the point is being missed a little.


Chuck E. Jesus

Thundersack88 wrote:
Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
tbh the Steiner style filter was the tipping point feature, it's something i don't have represented in my rig but wanted...


I personally think this is BS! EVERY synth should have a moog filter! fap fap fap...


i already have an A-108 and a Little Phatty, i'll modify the MB to bypass the filter razz


Kent

How silly of Gordon Reid. He's normally quite an astute reviewer and observer. Now why would Arturia choose to get beaten by Moog at their own game? People will just get a Moog if they want a Moog.

Arturia did right by doing it differently.


Jaspo

WTF ... now the ship date is 7/06/2012.


budz

Wow... Gordon Reid knows his shit and I have a lot of respect for him, but that is a really weak argument woah


ben jah men

or maybe the filter really does suck seriously, i just don't get it

I mean its one thing to have crazy stuff in our modulars as choices.. but maybe he is implying that all the beginners getting this as there first synth are going to be thrown off by it (and without spending hundreds of more dollars and routing external cables are going to HAVE to use it). That said.. the thing sounds sweet as honey to me!! Nasty sticky sex honey.

can't wait screaming goo yo


numbertalk

It is possible to view the Steiner as a bit more of a "specialty" filter and not the only filter to have. I have one in my modular and am excited to have one here, but as far as starter-level synthesists, it might not sound like what they would want or expect. In my opinion this is a good thing - as said earlier, why go head-to-head with Moog when there are Moog synths currently in production.

Still, I was surprised to hear someone as seasoned as Gordon Reid say this without qualifying it more, but I'll try to give him credit and assume this is what he meant. All depends on how Arturia markets it.


Kent

ben jah men wrote:
or maybe the filter really does suck seriously, i just don't get it


It doesn't. I played the shit out of that thing at NAMM. The MiniBrute was easily one of the synth highlights for me and it was definitely the 'fixed-architecture' highlight of the show.


Rod Serling Fan Club

"conventional synth sounds and acoustic emulations” Wow, really out of touch! That is something I would expect to read in a synth article from 1985. So what did Moog send Gordon for xmas this year?

IMO all of the Moog and 303 based hardware has made the modern analog market very dull. I really fail to find a single aspect of the minibrute to complain about when I take it all into consideration (price, features, compactness, uniqueness, etc.).


Chuck E. Jesus

Jaspo wrote:
WTF ... now the ship date is 7/06/2012.


how's that?


Jaspo

Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
Jaspo wrote:
WTF ... now the ship date is 7/06/2012.


how's that?

Musician's Friend. Ordered on 1/22. Checked it today and it says estimated ship date 7/06/2012. Could be a glitch.


jbartee

Jaspo wrote:
Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
Jaspo wrote:
WTF ... now the ship date is 7/06/2012.


how's that?

Musician's Friend. Ordered on 1/22. Checked it today and it says estimated ship date 7/06/2012. Could be a glitch.


Mine says the same. Super bummer if true.


ear ear

Rod Serling Fan Club wrote:
"conventional synth sounds and acoustic emulations” Wow, really out of touch! That is something I would expect to read in a synth article from 1985 years ago. So what did Moog send Gordon for xmas this year?

IMO all of the Moog and 303 based hardware has made the modern analog market very dull. I really fail to find a single aspect of the minibrute to complain about when I take it all into consideration (price, features, compactness, uniqueness, etc.).


In this context his Buchla review/raspberry and Don's reply in SOS in 2005/6 is chucklesome. In his review of the Cwejman PH-4 and MX-4S modules in 2008 he says:

We are stepping way, way beyond conventional analogue synthesis here, walking realms that even well-appointed monosynths can only admire from a distance.

Hmmm, this sounds a little bit familiar... Some old guy from the sixties... His name starts with a 'B'...? Bob something...? Hmmm, I dunno - maybe I'm confused...

Joking apart, Gordon Reid did write Synth Secrets! applause


ausgeno

I'm also glad it didn't come with a Moog filter, it would have made my Minitaur purchase just that little bit more redundant.

And my ship date from Musicians Friend has also slipped to 7/06/2012! Argh! waah


jbartee

Rod Serling Fan Club wrote:
"conventional synth sounds and acoustic emulations” Wow, really out of touch! That is something I would expect to read in a synth article from 1985. So what did Moog send Gordon for xmas this year?

IMO all of the Moog and 303 based hardware has made the modern analog market very dull. I really fail to find a single aspect of the minibrute to complain about when I take it all into consideration (price, features, compactness, uniqueness, etc.).


To be fair, he actually is referencing the 1970's reaction to the Synthacon with that quote, albeit with the implication that the same principle applies today.

And I completely agree about the long arm of the Moog / 303 filter types. They are lovely, but I don't think we need any more of them at the moment.


whitewulfe

I personally love the edgy/punchy feeling the MiniBrute gives off, especially with all the flexible power under the hood... My only beef is the same as one of the ones that has already been listed - keyboard's too damn small!

But for $500, I don't really care, since the size I want would probably have doubled the cost...


dopefiend

Funny thing about Gordon Reid: he finds the choice of filter "iffy" because it's a 12-dB instead of 24, yet he worships his Yamaha GX-1.

And I question that, in 2012, people want YET ANOTHER Moog-filter-based synth. The Moog standard has been so hyped and overstated that, IMO, is now trite and worn out. There is already a Moog in production, so why come up with another one?.
Reminds me of the commercial: "this photocopier has features that makes it as good as a Xerox," the salesmen would announce to the potential buyer in 3 different stores. Then finally he goes to a fourth one, and asks: "is this as good as a Xerox?" the salesman replies: "it is a Xerox!" If we want Moog, we get a Voyager or a Phatty or a Taurus or a Moogerfooger...... or any of the other miriad of emulations.

I personally think that the choice of Steiner filter was excellent. Makes this thing sound DIFFERENT, for a change. You don't read or hear about Buchla trying to produce a Moogla-sounding filter, do yah..?
This thing seems to have a sound that rips through concrete. Notwhitstanding the very short keyboard, I think it's an incredible instrument, and a 3-octave one would be PERFECT, even if they keep the one VCO architecture.

I want one, but first I'll buy the Studiologic-Waldorf love child... w00t!!


r05c03

Hmm. Preordering from MF, when did you order? Could their be a batch coming out in April and a batch later in the summer depending on when your order came in?


Squigg

r05c03 wrote:
Hmm. Preordering from MF, when did you order? Could their be a batch coming out in April and a batch later in the summer depending on when your order came in?


It seems like everyones order has been pushed back. I ordered mine 3 days after it was announced from GC. It originally said that i would be getting it in March, then April, and now the end of June. It seems that Arturia either didnt realize how well this little thing might sell, or has some major issues they are dealing with.


Chuck E. Jesus

kind of feel silly pre-ordering, but at least it's paid for...

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