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Post by woVERTICES » Sat May 25, 2019 10:01 am

Rex Coil 7:
I don't have a bass so I wouldn't know...my Sankey Destroyer with ONE Lace pickup sounds fantastic though...
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Post by woVERTICES » Sat May 25, 2019 10:10 am

Funny you should mention David King basses...my brother had this bass at one time...
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Post by Hermetech Mastering » Sat May 25, 2019 11:53 am

Yeah, that's his A shape and the one I would probably go for!

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Post by Rex Coil 7 » Sat May 25, 2019 11:55 am

woVERTICES wrote:Rex Coil 7:
I don't have a bass so I wouldn't know...my Sankey Destroyer with ONE Lace pickup sounds fantastic though...
Best,
John
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Post by chlorinemist » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:16 am

Not a single strandberg posted here yet? These guys have basically taken the headless throne where Steinberger once reigned.

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Post by Hermetech Mastering » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:18 am

Totally different from Steinberger though, they are made from wood for a start! I'd say Modulus Graphite are much closer to Steinberger in philosophy, although they also use wood, and most aren't headless.

I keep going back and forth on something new, or just grab a second hand Steinberger L series, which I have wanted since the 80's...

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Post by chlorinemist » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:30 am

Yes they are wood, although they do have carbon fiber reinforced necks and super light weight design.

But I wasn't trying to say they are literally making steinbergers... I'm just saying they are first company since them to seriously popularize headless guitars in the mainstream with world class innovative instruments, and have a very similarly forward thinking approach to design with their fanned frets, patented ergonomic neck shapes, true temperament frets, hexaphonic instruments, 8/9/10+ string guitars, etc.

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Post by Rex Coil 7 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:49 am

woVERTICES wrote:Funny you should mention David King basses...my brother had this bass at one time...
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... absolutely sick. :woah: :eek:



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Post by shaft9000 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:29 am

Is tuning them up typically much slower than using a key-winder?

I'm occasionally tempted to get one for the travel convenience. There are soooo many to choose from these days, and it's awesome.
That you can now get a multiscale Strandberg(asian-built), or a custom-made USA Kiesel -multiscale in 7 or 8 string if you like - for around $1500 new is quite tempting.


...and then I think 'Yuck' the rest of the time. :bang:
I carry the same ol' prejudice that most people do; that a headless guitar ~looks~ incomplete and aesthetically unbalanced. Whatever the actual truth is, is beside THAT point. It's all in the 'seeming'. I wouldn't take one on-stage unless the music warrants it.
I wouldn't hesitate to use one in studio, though. So long as it sounds right for the part, it is right.
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Post by woVERTICES » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:35 pm

I play only headless guitars, a Klein and a Sankey ( with another headless Sankey on the way). I recently purchased a new Klein sTele which does have a headstock...I found it beautiful sounding but aesthetically and quite literally unbalanced after years of only headless playing(I also had a great Teuffel Tesla at one time).

After Firebirds, Jazzmasters, Telecasters, Rick Turners and more, all wonderful, I have been seduced by the ergonomics, weight, balance and sound of quality headless guitars in spite of slower than key-winder tuning....seems a small price to pay to play!
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Post by woVERTICES » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:30 am

All my headless guitars...ALL a joy to play!
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Post by Technologear? » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:35 pm

Rex Coil 7 wrote:
woVERTICES wrote: I see you seem to have a preference for Lace pickups. I tried a set of those on one of my basses but wasn't able to make them work with the processing gear I use (amp, cab, pre-amps, EQs, compressors, and so on).

So I'm curious about your own bass rig. What has it taken to make those pickups work for you?

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Hey Rex
I have Lace Alumitones on my custom baritone guitar. I love them so much that I am planning to put them into a P style bass I'm modding. I'll finger style play my baritone sometimes and the tone is gorgeous. My conclusions which might be relevant for you:
- they go wider than typical fender style pickups, both lower and higher frequency range.
- they don't have much of an eq shape to them. My fender p now feels like it has a signature tone within the pickups, a scoop
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- they capture with brutal integrity what's happening at the strings. Playing style, string type, attack etc will all be captured. I initially thought they didn't sound great but sticking with them made me realise that I, the player, aren't that great! I'm ok with that, it's helped me improve.
- they push a lot of frequencies down the line. Whatever gear is processing the signal needs to be up to the wide bandwidth. This includes onboard tone controls etc. I like simple setups: 1 pickup, 1 LPF tone knob.
- frequency spikes are bigger, so a previously setup compressor for a fender bass would need to be tweaked to tame that. When you dig in, they punch through. So they feel like they want to growl, like a muscle car rather than a camry. If you have any gear that doesn't overdrive nicely, it'll be revealed.

My instinct with these pickups is the opposite of what I normally do (I get too technical and complicated!): Direct from instrument to a good tube preamp. Simple. Let my playing adjust the tone.

Hope you didn't flip the pickups and this inspires you to experiment more mate!

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Re: Any headless fans here?

Post by Sinamsis » Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:17 pm

Bumping an old thread... I took the plunge on a Stranberg Boden 8. I went with the standard after great deliberation. I'm super stoked. Anyone else pick one of the up?

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Re: Any headless fans here?

Post by Thorsday » Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:37 pm

Almost bought the Boden 8 a while ago, but went with a Kiesel Vader 8 because I like to use whammy bar. So... I use very light gauge strings since I tune higher than A440, and, I was bummed to discover the tremolo system on the Kiesel won't grip a string as small as .008. I wonder if the Strandberg would have been able to. It bugs me to have to use thicker gauge on this one. Also, for anyone wondering, if You're a modern Floyd Rose user, the Kiesel tremolo system is very different. I plan to put more hours on it, however, I still find myself reaching for my non-headless 8-strings with the Floyd Rose trems. The Kiesel sure looks and sounds great, though!

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