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Jones O'Tool Oscilloscope module
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Author Jones O'Tool Oscilloscope module
daverj
I was going to wait a week or two before announcing this, but there was a scope discussion in the general modular forum, so decided it was time.

Coming in about 4-6 weeks is a small (8HP) oscilloscope optimized for audio and CV called the O'Tool



Single & dual trace scope with internal & external trigger. DC to 20Khz. +/-10v, +/-5v and +/-10v AC coupled. Timebase adjustable from 100 uSec/div to 5 Sec/div. The slow timebases update the screen in real time, so you see the trace slowly sweeping across instead of waiting for it to sample the whole waveform and then refresh.

The inputs are "loop through" inputs. Meaning that they are like 2-jack multiples. So you can connect one module to the input and then run another cable to another module without needing multiples.

Besides the scope modes it also has several audio and CV tool modes:

- Levels - this is an LED-like display that shows "lights" for how long the waveform spends at each level. This allows you to see the upper and lower limits of the waveform, as well as distinguish between some types of waveforms by how the lights are shaded. For example a square wave just lights up the highest and lowest light corresponding to the top and bottom of the waveform, while a triangle is evenly lit, and a sine wave is lighter at the top and bottom and has a curved darkening of the lights towards the center.

- VU & Peak - Classic LED style VU and Peak meters. The VU displays in dbVU while the Peak displays in volts or dbU depending on the scale selected. Scales include 5v p-p, 10v p-p and +4dbU (you can input line level audio and see a calibrated display).

- Spectrum Analyzer - Adjustable levels and top frequency, as well as two types of display. Linear shows evenly spaced columns based on Hz, while the Log display a logarithmic spread of frequencies.

- X/Y display - Display Lissajous patterns. Has a voltage scale setting and a time averaging setting to sample the inputs over short or long periods of time to build up patterns.



It's still in beta, but getting close. Estimated shipping date is around the end of March or start of April. Estimated price is around $250.
intellijel
very cool!

What is the power consumption?
itijik
All of those different modes...so useful! Great job!
infradead
whoa awesome
vav
YES!!!!!! So long, giant clucky Oscilloscopes!
Nuuj
Anyone want to buy a DSO Quad with stackables for probes?
Kent
That's great! Can it run on +/-15V?
chvad
NICE!!!! What the damage in mA and $$?
ersatzplanet
Very nice! I saw that other thread and thought of maybe making a module to sell - yours looks much better for sure. One less thing to design and not be able to afford to go in production!

How much?

-James
John Noble
intellijel wrote:
very cool!

What is the power consumption?


And depth + hp? hyper

(duh, re-read and found the "8HP")
Kent
vav wrote:
YES!!!!!! So long, giant clucky Oscilloscopes!


1) Remove Poultry
2) Reboot 'scope
3) Enjoy!

Chicken

Bananallama!
infradead
Kent wrote:
vav wrote:
YES!!!!!! So long, giant clucky Oscilloscopes!


1) Remove Poultry
2) Reboot 'scope
3) Enjoy!

Chicken

Bananallama!


that was pretty fowl.

really ruffled my feathers
Kent
Go pluck yourself... and I... oh, fuck it... I'm done.

It's peanut butter jelly time!
numan7
woah wicked cool (and useful)!

the peak-vu metering looks very, very nice! thumbs up

cheers
bsmith
What the cluck this looks amazing!!! One 8hp stone is handling quite a bit of poultry. Sign me up!! Winner winner.....
kimu
great! put inside also something to see the Hertz of the wave
mikecameron
Nicely done! applause
vav
I meant clunky! I'm such a birdbrain.
Alienation
Nice job. thumbs up
numan7
hihi well that Jones O'Tool looks downright chirpy to me! :bird:

cheers
VortexRanger
:bacon:
Sign me up! I've been waiting for this for a long time.
Mitchk1989
obviously cost or mA consumption could be a deal breaker, but if not I'll take one.
Mono Recalcitrante
we're not worthy great idea applause
Rigo
kimu wrote:
put inside also something to see the Hertz of the wave

+440
itijik
daverj wrote:
Estimated price is around $250.

Can't wait!
John Noble
Rigo wrote:
kimu wrote:
put inside also something to see the Hertz of the wave

+440


As long as you're doing that, put a tuner in it ... and make sure the scales go beyond boring old TET!
itijik
Oh wait, it doesn't make coffee?! Forget it razz
tuj
Very cool, you going to sell direct or thru distributors?
John Noble
itijik wrote:
Oh wait, it doesn't make coffee?! Forget it razz


Hey, it's "only software" ... at least that's what I always hear when someone asks for the moon. Dead Banana
daverj
Width: 8HP
Depth 1.575" (40mm)
Price: $250

Currently the power is 130ma +12, 10ma -12 that could go up or down slightly as it gets finalized.

As for +/-15, I haven't tested it yet, but I believe it will work fine.
JP
Where do I sign up for one of those. Perfect. And great price.
alialenya
amazing i want one
itijik
John Noble wrote:
itijik wrote:
Oh wait, it doesn't make coffee?! Forget it razz


Hey, it's "only software" ... at least that's what I always hear when someone asks for the moon. Dead Banana


Ha ha, yeah. That's like saying "it should be easy for you". Thats the instant rage trigger for some programmers I know lol
artisokka
JP wrote:
Perfect. And great price.


This!!!
daverj
Rigo wrote:
kimu wrote:
put inside also something to see the Hertz of the wave

+440


I did some tests for adding a frequency meter, but wasn't real happy with the results. I might give it another shot before finalizing it, but don't count on it.

Quote:
As long as you're doing that, put a tuner in it ... and make sure the scales go beyond boring old TET!


hmmm..... hmmmm.......

Quote:
Very cool, you going to sell direct or thru distributors?


Both

Quote:
Oh wait, it doesn't make coffee?! Forget it


That would take too much power screaming goo yo
WaveRider
Is it possible to have a tuner in that????
Monobass
Wow... Would love to see vids of the refresh rate in the different modes.
theglyph
daverj wrote:


I did some tests for adding a frequency meter, but wasn't real happy with the results. I might give it another shot before finalizing it, but don't count on it.


I see what you did there. hihi
chvad
im so gonna get get get this thingy
itijik
I love the name, btw.
wwall
Wow! This looks like a great collection of useful functions. Can't wait to get my hands on one.
hpsounds
I was away of the forum because of the flu ... and this pop-up ! we're not worthy

This looks a VERY useful tool for modular synth ! help

Hédi K.
radiodread87
Oh Dave thats awesome!!!!!!!! love the name too sounds very Irish grin
REwire
I have absolutely no use for this......which is why I want it badly! It's motherfucking bacon yo
lizlarsen
Looks excellent, and a GREAT price point!! Euro has needed this.
Votek_Mendo
Want iT!!!!
hanerlend
Rockin' Banana!
target_destroyed
Super-awesome! Definitely on my want list.
vav
Also, i'm going to name mine Otis, because i'm a sick bastard.
metaBit
This looks amazing. Great size. Great price. Definitely on my want list.

So when will this be on the Eurorack Planner? razz
ether
I thinks Muffs has gone sentient. That's twice in a week I've been thinking about a module and :whoop: there it is...

MuffSkyNet?

something wonderful
4mspedals
Is the screen LCD?

Very cool, we need this! thumbs up
daverj
4mspedals wrote:
Is the screen LCD?


Yes. TFT color LCD


I'll try to shoot a couple of videos in the next week so people can see what it's like with moving signals.
3vcos
Since we're all throwing out requests regarding functionality...

Is there a way You could add some sort of memory module or smart media card and also add in full video playback? I'd very much like to watch pornography on my modular synthesizer. Well either that or just throw in Ethernet, some Linux based OS and a web browser.

Oh wait, your module looks awesome the way it is. I look forward to picking one up. :-)
The_Crooked_Man
Yow! Perfect. I'll definitely be snagging one of those, good sir.
koobraelc
Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana
Pailo
just when you think 7 rows is enough.
here comes 8 and 9!! Sick module.
Tired of my stinky Oscope.
Smells like the caps off an old SK yamaha.
Blah!

Cant wait to grab an OTool.
deastman
I... want... this... hyper
hawklord2112
Hainbach
REwire wrote:
I have absolutely no use for this......which is why I want it badly! It's motherfucking bacon yo


This.
Boelie035
Hainbach wrote:
REwire wrote:
I have absolutely no use for this......which is why I want it badly! It's motherfucking bacon yo


This.


Yup..
aksen
o'tool? ......we're sending our love down a well....

Monobass
any chance of kits? razz Mr. Green
Funky40
Wow, Levelmeters and scope.
How clever and how logic ?
applause
Neo
how about a tuner mode? 8_)

i want one anyway
a100user
Very nice indeed and a good price point.

I too look forward to see video of refresh rate.

Will it be upgradeable as and when code changes and if so how?

Great work thumbs up
richard
this is going to be hard to resist!

of courser a tuner mode would be nice too for the two times a year i need that kind of thing
Monobass
3vcos wrote:
Well either that or just throw in Ethernet, some Linux based OS and a web browser.


I'm a bit concerned that we haven't even seen a screenshot of the Facebook mode yet. Also can I use this module to download the internet onto a floppy disc?
Low-Gain
Would love to see a video of this in action.
blackjam
looks neat, ditto to the above
lombrose
Low-Gain wrote:
Would love to see a video of this in action.


+1
FetidEye
wow this looks super useful !

and nice to have those other functions too
(firmware updates possible?)
JP
Low-Gain wrote:
Would love to see a video of this in action.


I want to see a video of it playing the video of it in action.

Meta-splode!
corex
I've been waiting to see this announcement. I'm definitely interested. How's the refresh rate, etc? Looking forward to video.
daverj
No memory modules, no smart cards, no video output, no porno mode, no Facebook mode, and no coffee maker.

The hardware is done. The design started almost a year ago and the production boards are the 4th revision of the design. The firmware is almost final and just being tweaked. Some additional modes are possible.

I'll play with the frequency meter mode a bit more to see if I can improve it's accuracy to a point that I am happy with it.

I hadn't thought about a tuner mode, but that's pretty similar to a frequency counter function except with a narrower range and different display. So that's a possibility if the frequency counter tests go well. Though probably only for notes in the low to mid range (A4 might be possible, but C8 probably not). And probably only for the standard scale. And I'll have to do temperature tests to see how much it might drift over temperature. There's no point in adding that mode if it's only accurate at a specific temperature. (there's no temperature sensor on the board to add compensation)

So chances are that the modes shown in the OP are the final set of modes.

Otherwise it's just a few more tweaks and then off to production.

No kits. This is all SMT, except the jacks and switches (including SMT parts on the back of the board holding the display). Soldering in the LCD displays takes special tooling, and they're fragile until the stack of boards are assembled (which takes the front panel to hold the stack together). It doesn't really make sense to sell kits.

Unless it ships with any bugs left, there probably won't be firmware updates. I try to never sell something until I am satisfied it is bug free. If there are updates at some point, it takes a special programmer plugged into the side to update it. So updates would have to come back to me, or if distributors are interested in getting the programming hardware and applying an update, then possibly updates could happen through the dealer you buy it from. (that hasn't been discussed yet with any dealers, and probably won't be unless there is a need)
chvad
have i mentioned that i m ready to buy this? screaming goo yo
itijik
Take my money, please. I am ready too thumbs up
chvad

WE ARE READY.
Monobass
you're not going to tease us with say... .the refresh rate of the VU meter? hyper
daverj
Monobass wrote:
you're not going to tease us with say... .the refresh rate of the VU meter? hyper


The VU/Peak meter screen refreshes at about 15Hz.

The VU meter follows the industry standard 300 ms damping standard, while the peak meter follows the standard 5 ms response.

That means that if you feed in a 1 Khz sine wave modulated at 300 ms on and 300 ms off, the VU will glide from the bottom to the 0db point and back, while the peak side will flash between full scale and off. And if you feed in a 1Khz sine modulated at 5 ms on and 5 ms off, the VU will show a reduced constant level (I forget what it was, maybe -5db with a small flicker at the top) while the peak side shows a constant full scale.

Both scales were calibrated against a 5 digit digital RMS audio level meter.

I'll feed some music into it when I make the demo video. SlayerBadger!
Votek_Mendo
today? love
Monobass
15hz sounds very usable thumbs up

daverj wrote:
Both scales were calibrated against a 5 digit digital RMS audio level meter.


love please mister take my money
synthomaniac
That looks like a winner to me especially with the CV tool modes love

Good luck
Tony
synthomaniac
radiodread87 wrote:
Oh Dave thats awesome!!!!!!!! love the name too sounds very Irish grin


Jones? hihi
radiodread87
synthomaniac wrote:
radiodread87 wrote:
Oh Dave thats awesome!!!!!!!! love the name too sounds very Irish grin


Jones? hihi


no O'tool lol wink
Kalerne
Hello ! Any news about this module ?
sinemod
+ one for the tuner mode.
You know the limit of your product ...
daverj
Sorry I've been quiet for the past week. I've been busy getting quotes from SMT assembly houses for doing the production run, and been struggling trying to find thin clear anti-static acrylic to use as a window over the LCD.

I finally had to have the anti-static plastic custom made, since it doesn't come in 1/16" as a standard item.

I'll try to post a video this week.
deastman
Really looking forward to this!
Khyber Pass
I had noe idea I wanted something like this. cry

8_)
Banalism
Looking forward to the video...
CursedFrogurt
Most excellent.
RichyHo
I'm late to the party on this one, but it looks fantastic. When/where will they be for sale?
READYdot
How does the O'Tool compare to this http://www.addacsystem.com/product/addac200-series/addac205-dual-oscil loscope-awg?
daverj
Here's the difference in screen size between the screen used in mine vs Xprotolab and Addac. (mine is the color one)

toppobrillo
nice! looking forward to these..
READYdot
daverj wrote:
Here's the difference in screen size between the screen used in mine vs Xprotolab and Addac. (mine is the color one)



Well that is some difference. So that means that the O'Tool is a mostly selfmade tool, as opposed to the Xprotolab being a commercial product used in a module? Do you know how the refresh-rate of the Xprotolab is compared to yours? I'm a noob in these things, so I'm really struggling in imagining with how this will look!?
daverj
The O'Tool is 100% original hardware and software design by me. (with some feedback along the way from a friend who has used a lot of scopes)

I've never used an Xprotolab, so can't say how the refresh compares. When I make the video, you can compare the videos.
kjellb
I saw the prototype when visiting. Great little thing. Looking forward to both this and the video stuff coming out.
READYdot
daverj wrote:
The O'Tool is 100% original hardware and software design by me. (with some feedback along the way from a friend who has used a lot of scopes)

I've never used an Xprotolab, so can't say how the refresh compares. When I make the video, you can compare the videos.


Ok, thnx! Can't wait. SlayerBadger!
wsy
Darn it, it's Eurorack.

I need this in MU. Really. Never mind that I'm already out of space.
Never mind that I've got a Q960 on the way here from Texas.

- Bill
daverj
I've been contacted by somebody interested in repackaging these to sell to the 5U crowd, So It's possible they will be available in other formats at some point.
DonKartofflo
okay. looks like i wont buy an oscilloscope monstrosity off ebay. Rockin' Banana!
daverj
If you have a use for a full sized scope, I'd encourage you to get one. This module is a good reference, and has a lot more in it than just a scope. But it's no substitute for the size and accuracy of a full sized scope.

On the other hand, most people don't need a full sized scope.
Paranormal Patroler
What we do need is a cool module like yours. I really hope the refresh rate is way faster than the ADDAC one. It was the only reason I did not buy it: way too slow.
crabman75
it would be totally useless to waste the 8HP in my small setup but it looks so DAMN cool,man w00t

oh,wait:allways good to have more multiples hihi
READYdot
tysonjl wrote:
does this really matter though? Who really needs one of these with their ANALOG synthesizer??

Huh? hmmm.....

Well, still waiting for that video... screaming goo yo
chvad
tysonjl wrote:
does this really matter though? Who really needs one of these with their ANALOG synthesizer??


this makes no sense to me.
Paranormal Patroler
Yeah, I'm really anxious to see the video myself. As I said before I had the ADDAC in sight but then I saw the video and the frame-rate (is it even correct to say frame-rate in this context ? ) wasn't what I had hoped for.

I hope the O'Tool isn't the same, although daveri said something about a slowly sweeping trace in his first post.

daverj wrote:
Timebase adjustable from 100 uSec/div to 5 Sec/div. The slow timebases update the screen in real time, so you see the trace slowly sweeping across instead of waiting for it to sample the whole waveform and then refresh.


Isn't it possible to have a small oscilloscope that will function similarly to a larger one? I like to see my waveforms change in real time. seriously, i just don't get it
lizlarsen
Quote:
Timebase adjustable from 100 uSec/div to 5 Sec/div. The slow timebases update the screen in real time, so you see the trace slowly sweeping across instead of waiting for it to sample the whole waveform and then refresh.


I think dave's talking about, for example, at very slow LFO rate speeds. You'll see the dot move across the screen at high refresh rate, rather than having to wait for a refresh at the 5 second/div interval. This is a good thing.

The refresh rate of 15Hz he quoted somewhere in here is 15 frames per second, that seems more than adequate enough for a fluid realtime display -- it's half the speed of NTSC video!
Paranormal Patroler
creatorlars wrote:
I think dave's talking about, for example, at very slow LFO rate speeds. You'll see the dot move across the screen at high refresh rate, rather than having to wait for a refresh at the 5 second/div interval. This is a good thing.

The refresh rate of 15Hz he quoted somewhere in here is 15 frames per second, that seems more than adequate enough for a fluid realtime display -- it's half the speed of NTSC video!


This is great to hear. As you can tell I'm completely out of my league when it comes to these matters, so excuse me if I insist on waiting for the video.

But still, thanks. I really want this module to be what I hope it can be thumbs up
daverj
The slow trace sweeping I mentioned is for slow timebases.

Many small digital scopes sit there with no change on the display while they sample slow waveforms and then pop it up after sampling the whole waveform. This makes for very slow visual changes. For example, if the timebase is set to display 10 seconds across the screen, some small scopes sit there for 10 seconds doing nothing, and then pop up the image of what happened during the last 10 seconds.

Mine doesn't do that. On slow timebases like that it scans across in real time showing the changes as they happen.

On faster timebases it updates the whole screen at once, but that's when the waveshapes are changing fast enough that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between it scanning across the screen vs the screen updating at once. That's happening at a frame rate a little slower than regular video images or computer animation. It's at slow timebases, slow waveforms, where you see it scanning slowly across the screen (in real time).
Paranormal Patroler
nanners Would you be so kind as to include both fast and slow timebases on your upcoming video?
Mitchk1989
I'll wait for the video, but I think I'm in from the sounds of it.
Monobass
15hz sounds more than enough for the audio metering part at least.
daverj
Well, first attempt didn't work out so well. I made a demo last night and spent hours encoding it for YouTube. Then let it upload overnight. This morning it says "Your video was removed because it is too long".

Apparently a 19 minute 720p demo is considered a problem for them.

So I'm currently re-encoding the first part of it (about 5-6 minutes) and will try to get it uploaded today. Then I'll chop the rest up into other short parts and upload them afterwards.
chvad
If you are under 15 minutes you should be cool!

cant wait!
numan7
Enjoy the show!

cheers
daverj
The screen looks a little darker than I expected. So I'd suggest going into full screen mode and then select the "Change Quality" icon and select the 720p setting.

Or click the YouTube button to view it directly from their site and then do the same (full screen & 720p). I don't know if it would be any different that way vs embedded, but I notice the embedded player seems lower res (at least the controls do).



And here's the direct link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPTwMsjMYs0&hd=1
crabman75
eyes...



nanners w00t

Thanks!
daverj
Part 1 (up now) has the scope and Levels modes. Part 2 (should be up by tonight) shows the VU & Peak meters, Spectrum, and X/Y modes.
itijik
Very nice.
corex
Man, this looks perfect!

I wonder if red-green colorblind people might have trouble with the overlap mode, but my eyes are fine, so....
Bendu
This looks fantastic. love
hpsounds
Just WANT ! hyper love we're not worthy

Hédi K.
Buckage
Looks excellent! Nice work.

Definitely want one.
chvad
w00t
suthnear
Fantastic. Excellent work.
itijik
This will be perfect for my kid's synthesizer education case 8_)
daverj
Part 2 of the demo is up now:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M-pkGe_xWs&hd=1
target_destroyed
Awesome! This is fun!
Monobass
ok this is so much better than I even hoped it would be! we're not worthy

I think you will sell a lot of these. This is just a totally obligatory purchase for me hyper

excellent work
Dave77
thumbs up
Paranormal Patroler
daverj. Where do I sign up for one of these babies? Seriously. It looks beautiful! love
Badr0b0t
THANK YOU! FINALLLLLLY!!!

we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy


This is amazing. SO many uses for me.

I want to buy 8 to 16 of these and line them up in a row (or two rows) in my studio. SUPER useful.

Just tell me where to sign up for pre-order!!!! :-D AH?

thumbs up

Ron
Paranormal Patroler
Oh yeah, and thanks for the video. thumbs up
daverj
I don't take pre-orders. Some of the dealers might once I have a firm shipping date. I'm still waiting on the last parts to arrive for the production run.
Paranormal Patroler
Is this gonna be a limited run?
itijik
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Is this gonna be a limited run?

You're gonna start a riot, man.
Paranormal Patroler
Damn right twisted


SlayerBadger!
BananaPlug
Looks like you nailed it Dave. applause
daverj
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Is this gonna be a limited run?


The initial run is 100 modules.

Based on the reaction here, I'll probably be doing more runs soon. hyper
Monobass
I can see this becoming a fixture in module demos hihi
READYdot
WANT! MY ASS IS BLEEDING As said before this is way more than I had even dared to expect it to be. Will this be at Scheiders?
mojopin
looks great! can the full screen be used in spectrum mode? you would get double the resolution.
toppobrillo
saw the vid, verrrrry nice! looks better than I expected.
daverj
READYdot wrote:
Will this be at Scheiders?


They've been in touch. No deals made yet, but it's very possible.


mojopin wrote:
can the full screen be used in spectrum mode? you would get double the resolution.


I'm still playing with that mode. I made it shorter to keep the refresh speed high. It's a heavy amount of calculations and both the refresh and the calculations take time. But it might change by the time it's released. There's also a Log spectrum display that I didn't put in the demo. (fewer bars with a Log frequency distribution, more like an equalizer display) There's also 3 signal level settings in the Spectrum mode that boost the display, but more noise and artifacts start showing up at the bottom.
vegas7188
firstly this looks great, really useful and very very interesting.

i was just wondering about the xy mode, as a relative amateur, i was wondering what you might use this for? what it means? it looks great and that is worth it in itself, but does it have another purpose other than being good to look at that i don't know about?! what does it tell us about the waveform, does it tell us something unique about a waveform that the other modes don't express as well?

thanks!
Kalerne
I will buy this as soon as possible hyper
Paranormal Patroler
vegas7188 wrote:
firstly this looks great, really useful and very very interesting.

i was just wondering about the xy mode, as a relative amateur, i was wondering what you might use this for? what it means? it looks great and that is worth it in itself, but does it have another purpose other than being good to look at that i don't know about?! what does it tell us about the waveform, does it tell us something unique about a waveform that the other modes don't express as well?

thanks!


It's called a Lissajous curve and here is all the info you need http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lissajous_curve

100 modules? sad banana
Damn! I need to be quick on this.
crabman75
what is the module depth?just round about...
Paranormal Patroler
Who cares? It's going on the top row of my case where I can look at it and drool love
crabman75
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Who cares?


ehm,i care? wink
Monobass
I wish I didn't care, but hoping it's not deeper than 70mm 8_)
crabman75
memo to myself:reading threads carefully helps a lot w00t


daverj wrote:
Width: 8HP
Depth 1.575" (40mm)
Price: $250

Currently the power is 130ma +12, 10ma -12 that could go up or down slightly as it gets finalized.

As for +/-15, I haven't tested it yet, but I believe it will work fine.
mhtones
Wow, this is looking really nice! When I first got my scope, I learned somuch more about what various modules did to waveforms! I think your module is going to really make an impact on the euro community. thumbs up
Paranormal Patroler
It's not the O'Tool but you can play with your XY for now

http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/java/lissajous/index.htm l
vegas7188
cool, thanks for the info on Lissajous curves.
interesting stuff, i think i kind of understand it a bit!
mckenic
I was kinda interested and thinking perhaps I could use one - until I saw the two demo videos - my interest has since moved-up to Need please!

(Stupid question alert) - from a purely performance perspective & to look cool - would it be possible to/how hard would it be/is it just insane... to have a HDMI output? So like the MFB you can output to a 22inch monitor - that would be WICKED! I often thought of asking Gabotronics this same question. This would be a huge update on the MFB scope thingy!

Anyway - really excited by the O'Tool! thumbs up
Paranormal Patroler
vegas7188 wrote:
cool, thanks for the info on Lissajous curves.
interesting stuff, i think i kind of understand it a bit!


thumbs up

Hey mckenic, what MFB module are you talking about?

EDIT

Found it http://www.mfberlin.de/Produkte/Module/VD-01/VD-01e/vd-01e.html
mckenic
thumbs up

Yup - just PM'd ya smile
Paranormal Patroler
Well and RCA out is not a bad idea actually. What I'll miss most is the green on pitch black of a large oscilloscope, it's mesmerizing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk8_9AD86oU&feature=related
daverj
Adding video out, especially HDMI, would add a bunch of extra circuitry. Not going to happen with this version.

Besides, the idea was to have one (or more) compact displays built right into the modular with nothing external needed.
Demi Jon
Dave, I think you may soon be responsible for the slow deaths of +/- 100 modular users, as we slowly dehydrate and starve in our inability to walk away from that tiny, beautiful display.
Paranormal Patroler
You know how these things go, everybody wants something extra. I've been strolling the net for the past few hours looking into visual tweaks and tricks and whatnot. Your module seems to be inspirational already. applause

Modularwise I think a self contained system is the way to go. But would it really need a lot of extra circuitry for an RCA out? Just asking out of curiosity.
daverj
To do it at the same time as the internal LCD would take at least one more fast CPU. Color would add more circuitry. And HDMI would add even more.

It's all possible, but would raise the price and be useful only to certain users.

Doing it without the internal LCD would be a bit less circuitry, but again, limited to only certain people.

If I was going to do that I'd probably do a stand alone device that could be clipped onto the back of a monitor and could be used by anybody (not just Euro users).
crabman75
sorry,i have no experiences with oscilloscopes...can you give me a short description what the trigger inputs are for?
Paranormal Patroler
Cool, thanks for the rundown.
mckenic
Thanks indeed Dave! Was just curiosity on my part - I have the MFB and a Xproto. Both are wicked but I think Im looking for a mix of the two - a full size oscilloscope in all actuality oops

Really looking forward to O'Tool and as you say, it will be brilliant having that info in front of us without any external stuff needed! thumbs up

The videos are GREAT and really pushed me over the edge!

Dave
Paranormal Patroler
Xproto? Common' mckenic you've killed my twice already today. very frustrating
BananaPlug
crabman75 wrote:
sorry,i have no experiences with oscilloscopes...can you give me a short description what the trigger inputs are for?


Think of it as something like the sync input on an oscillator. Better yet, watch the demo videos.
hiawog
bad. ass.

even with the awesome featureset, i was lukewarm on the idea til i read about the 15 hz refresh rate. this looks spectacular.
daverj
crabman75 wrote:
sorry,i have no experiences with oscilloscopes...can you give me a short description what the trigger inputs are for?


The triggering is what decides exactly when to start displaying a trace on the scope. For example, if you feed in a sine wave and trigger off that same input, the display starts as the sine wave crosses zero volts going up. That way the wave shape is stable on the screen.

When looking at two waves, if they are not running at the same speed then the one you trigger off of will start at the left side as it crosses zero volts, while the other one is moving back and forth wherever it happens to be at the same time as the other wave is being sampled.

There is also an "External" trigger (a third pair of input connectors). I didn't show it in the demo, but it allows you to trigger the start of the display based on a third signal which is not the same as either of the two waves being displayed.

You can also turn triggering off, and the display starts scanning as soon as the previous display finishes.

I realized another thing I didn't show in the demo is that the voltage selections for the scope include a 0 to 10 volt DC range. In that mode the trigger level is moved up above zero volts.
Funky40
daverj wrote:
To do it at the same time as the internal LCD would take at least one more fast CPU. Color would add more circuitry. And HDMI would add even more.

It's all possible, but would raise the price and be useful only to certain users.

Doing it without the internal LCD would be a bit less circuitry, but again, limited to only certain people.

If I was going to do that I'd probably do a stand alone device that could be clipped onto the back of a monitor and could be used by anybody (not just Euro users).

would it be possible to do it as an addon module without increasing the price of the basemodule too much ?

great module anyway love
Mitchk1989
So how do I order one?
Tubeampguy
Mitchk1989 wrote:
So how do I order one?



Me too! How do I order one? Will Analogue Haven have these?
IMUR
Want love
bryantcheramie
Can this be used to accurately display a voltage value? For example, can i use it to calibrate my sequencers?
daverj
Mitchk1989 wrote:
So how do I order one?


You'll have to wait a few weeks. The initial shipments are going to be a couple of weeks later than I originally expected. Due to the strong response we are having the full batch auto assembled (these are mostly SMT parts), rather than building small batches by hand.

Analogue Haven will have them in stock as soon as any are ready to ship. For OZ wigglers, Equinoxoz plans to carry them. If you are in other countries, you should encourage your favorite dealer to contact us.
daverj
bryantcheramie wrote:
Can this be used to accurately display a voltage value? For example, can i use it to calibrate my sequencers?


The scope is reasonably accurate (it uses 0.1% resistors in the critical paths). But it's meant to show the basic shapes of waveforms and their voltage ranges. In +/-5v scale the scope is about 1 pixel per note for v/oct, but that's not enough resolution to actually tune to that note. It would take 10 times or more screen resolution to accurately tune to a voltage for a specific note.
causticlogic
I think the OP was referring to a numerical voltage value on the screen.

Nonetheless, bravo! I have been looking for a small, compact oscilloscope-type reference module to fit in my eurorack reference and this is the first one that really seems worth buying.
Count me among the many who will have you making extra runs.
bryantcheramie
^this
Monobass
daverj wrote:
Analogue Haven will have them in stock as soon as any are ready to ship. For OZ wigglers, Equinoxoz plans to carry them. If you are in other countries, you should encourage your favorite dealer to contact us.


I just mailed Post Modular thumbs up
suthnear
causticlogic wrote:
I think the OP was referring to a numerical voltage value on the screen.


At the risk of engaging in the usual featuritis, I have one of those cheapo DSO nano oscilloscopes and while it's update rate is too slow to be much use for looking at waves, it does have frequency counter mode that displays a numerical read out that I sometimes use for tuning. So this could be a useful feature.
crabman75
daverj wrote:
crabman75 wrote:
sorry,i have no experiences with oscilloscopes...can you give me a short description what the trigger inputs are for?


The triggering is what decides exactly when to start displaying a trace on the scope. For example, if you feed in a sine wave and trigger off that same input, the display starts as the sine wave crosses zero volts going up. That way the wave shape is stable on the screen.

When looking at two waves, if they are not running at the same speed then the one you trigger off of will start at the left side as it crosses zero volts, while the other one is moving back and forth wherever it happens to be at the same time as the other wave is being sampled.

There is also an "External" trigger (a third pair of input connectors). I didn't show it in the demo, but it allows you to trigger the start of the display based on a third signal which is not the same as either of the two waves being displayed.

You can also turn triggering off, and the display starts scanning as soon as the previous display finishes.

I realized another thing I didn't show in the demo is that the voltage selections for the scope include a 0 to 10 volt DC range. In that mode the trigger level is moved up above zero volts.


Thanks for your detailed description thumbs up



daverj wrote:
you should encourage your favorite dealer to contact us.


i already did (Schneiders) wink
hydrophilos
I'm currently out of town until next Thursday setting up some video art at a museum in Seattle (devices I made for artist Gary Hill). When I get back I will do some tests for a voltmeter mode and do additional tests for a frequency meter mode. I wasn't too happy with initial tests for a frequency meter (at least at the higher frequencies), but I have an idea for a more accurate method that might be restricted to the 3rd input. Details to follow after I can run the tests.

- Dave

(I'm using a friend's computer and forgot to log his account off and log in under mine)
Cadence
Would love to know what you made for Gary Hill. He was a major influence on my work in my formative years. He's amongst my most respected contemporary artists.
maxheadwound
WOW i have been waiting for a module like this for so long! I can't wait to give you $$$
crabman75
maxheadwound wrote:
WOW i have been waiting for a module like this for so long! I can't wait to give you $$$


get back in line smile
tehyar
woah
Paranormal Patroler
crabman75 wrote:
maxheadwound wrote:
WOW i have been waiting for a module like this for so long! I can't wait to give you $$$


get back in line smile



lol
daverj
Cadence wrote:
Would love to know what you made for Gary Hill. He was a major influence on my work in my formative years. He's amongst my most respected contemporary artists.


A lot of pieces he did from the 70s through the end of the 90s have my fingerprints on them. We first met when he came to use our studio at the Experimental Television Center in 1975. I built lots of video synth modules for him in the 70s, and taught him how to make copies of them. Did some long distance (phone) designing for things he built in the 80s, and did the video/switching/synchronizing and computer hardware/software for most of what he did in the 90s (except for the single channel pieces).

My video switchers, synchronizers, custom hardware and software are in Tall Ships, Withershins, Between Cinema & a Hard Place, Core Series, Primarily Speaking, I Believe, Suspension of Disbelief, 1 & 0, House of Cards, Circular Breathing, Searchlight, Clover, Dervish, HanD HearD, Reflex Chamber, Conundrum, and many, many more...
VortexRanger
hyper hyper hyper
Paranormal Patroler
So, is this going on Schneiders or what? I really want one.
vozs
Great stuff daverj ! thumbs up
daverj
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
So, is this going on Schneiders or what? I really want one.


Yes. They have said they are interested in carrying it, and are deciding how many to get for the initial order. It's still a few weeks away from shipping. They're currently at the auto-assembly house being soldered. When I get them back we still have to solder all of the connectors on and program them and do final assembly/testing.
daverj
OK, so I have been experimenting with some of the suggestions in this thread, for adding a couple of additional modes.

My initial tests for adding a frequency meter mode (which I did before starting this thread) didn't go as well as I had hoped. But it has now turned out that the instability I saw in the readings were in fact caused by the Z3000 MkI oscillator I was using not actually being very stable. It fluctuates frequency slightly cycle by cycle.

I am now testing with a precision test oscillator and the readings are much more stable. They match my pro frequency meter within about 0.05%. So it looks like a frequency meter is probably going to be added as a new mode.

I want to try out the "tuner" idea that was brought up here. I'm not a musician (though have been making sound with synths for decades). Going by what I can find on the web, I think I might be able to add some amount of tuner ability, but it would be limited to the standard 12 note western scales.

What I was thinking of trying, and wanted opinions here to see if this is what would be useful, would be to add a readout on the frequency meter screen that shows the appropriate note/octave in "scientific notation" (ie: A4, C#3, etc...) and then either a numerical readout or graphical readout of how many cents it is off from that note.

Would that make sense? Or should it be something where you select a specific note and then it shows how far off it is from that note? I think that would be more difficult to display when you are one or more notes off, rather than it automatically displaying the current note.

Also, is it OK to stick with the standard whole notes and sharps? If it's important I could maybe add a switch that changed between sharps and flats, but I don't see how it would make any sense to try and mix sharps and flats at the same time, unless it was two readouts next to each other where one used the sharps and one used the flats:

A4
A#4 Bb4
B4
C5
C#5 Db5

etc.....

That seems like more work, but it it's really useful, I guess it might be worth it.

Opinions and suggestions?
Monobass
Sharps only and showing deviation in cents from the current 'nearest' note (as well as actual hertz value) would be fine for me thumbs up

I guess showing deviation in hertz could also be useful if you needed sub-cent accuracy for FM tasks.
ndkent
I don't think most people need the clutter of the flat equivalent to the same pitch as a sharp, it might even lead to someone misreading. I'd think "#" is all you need.

One feature that I think would be ideal is like 3 dots or something with 2 states. The middle one in the highlighted state would be the pitch is on the money and the left highlighted would be below the pitch, the right one above the pitch. That way you know what direction to turn since a typical frequency knob would turn left or right when tuning.

As for cents notation, sure I wouldn't complain. You could do cents off + or minus.

I guess one danger is how accurate your frequency counter is. I mean if it's a few cents accurate you'd really need to make exactly how reliable it is clear.

Then again it's almost as useful to do a numeric 0-1199 cents from a given frequency (octave reference). I mention that because if you are messing with cents in a microtuning situation, usually the intervals of the octave are expressed that way (0, 220, 343 ... 1056 etc.) unless they are doing a comparison to equal tempered. That's when you'd say something like -12 cents from D.

In any case something to aid music tuning is welcome
dslocum
I think your idea of the graphical tuner is great.

My preference would be for the tuner mode to first determine the rough note (within the 12 tone scale) and show the note and ocatve, and above that would be a bar graph that shows the deviation (+/-) from that note. Could be cool!
mckenic
If I could plug in my Osc's and tune them to C then plug-in my guitar and tune it... I would be in HEAVEN!
Paranormal Patroler
Monobass wrote:
Sharps only and showing deviation in cents from the current 'nearest' note (as well as actual hertz value) would be fine for me thumbs up

I guess showing deviation in hertz could also be useful if you needed sub-cent accuracy for FM tasks.


This is how most tuners work and I totally agree, no need to add more to it. Having a scientific indication with sharps is fine. After all if you do add the frequency meter we're good as covered on all aspects. Every musician worth his money knows the frequency of an A above middle C is 440Hz so it is easy to tune from there (ok, sometimes people use 442Hz but that's another can of worms).

Up to what decimal can the O'tool find the frequency? This is going to be SO FRIGGIN' handy on false relations. It's peanut butter jelly time!
frijitz
Dave --

I may have just missed this, but how much persistance can I get in xy mode at very low frequencies? This scope could be the end of a show-stopper problem I have with my chaos and other experimental projects. Imagine this stuff
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-41115.html&postorder=asc
going at say 1 collision per sec or slower.

Ian
Paranormal Patroler
And by the way, tell those blokes at Schneider's that we need our (O')Tools, so they better make sure they don't run out.
mckenic
I've already asked Escape from Noise! hyper
daverj
ndkent wrote:
I guess one danger is how accurate your frequency counter is. I mean if it's a few cents accurate you'd really need to make exactly how reliable it is clear.


Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Up to what decimal can the O'tool find the frequency? This is going to be SO FRIGGIN' handy on false relations. It's peanut butter jelly time!


It's too early to tell for sure. The frequency meter and tuner are experimental modes at the moment and still being worked on. Though I have proved to myself that both are possible, and on the current module appear to be fairly accurate.

The hardware is locked down (boards are at the assembly house being built), and I spent lots of time in the design getting the voltage measurement ability accurate enough for the scope and levels based audio tools. But I didn't add any extra circuitry to calibrate the internal oscillator and timing circuits to the precision needed for a high end frequency meter and tuner.

Until I get the production boards back and can set up a dozen or so modules next to each other I won't know how consistent the frequency meter/tuner are from module to module. Plus I still have to do temperature tests simulating a hot enclosure to see if they drift at all with temperature.

So at this point I will probably include them as modes, but won't be able to define accuracy specs until I get a large sampling of modules set up with this code.
daverj
frijitz wrote:
Dave --

I may have just missed this, but how much persistance can I get in xy mode at very low frequencies? This scope could be the end of a show-stopper problem I have with my chaos and other experimental projects. Imagine this stuff
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-41115.html&postorder=asc
going at say 1 collision per sec or slower.

Ian


I don't think the way the X/Y mode is currently set up will do what you need. It's currently set up for audio rate oscillations. Because I don't have any easy way to simulate the fadeout of long persistence phosphor, I am sampling the inputs for an adjustable amount of time and then displaying the result, while sampling the next set of samples. The sampling period currently is selectable from 1mSec to 100mSec.

I could experiment with an additional method of doing X/Y where I fill a buffer over a long period of time and display the results at a faster refresh rate. That way the samples could be done over many seconds, but still have a reasonable refresh rate. But I do have limits on how much RAM is available for that buffer, and how long it will take to convert the buffer to the display.

What's the range of speeds for your controller? If the sampling of the X/Y is too slow it'll look like dotted lines. And if the buffer isn't large enough then it won't hold a very large pattern.
Paranormal Patroler
daverj wrote:
So at this point I will probably include them as modes, but won't be able to define accuracy specs until I get a large sampling of modules set up with this code.


I'm not one for accuracy to be honest, but it will need to make itself manifest on the numerical indication of the module. That is why I queried on the decimal number and I did not use the word "accuracy" per se. In a sense: how do you plan on representing the frequency on the O'Tool? 4 digits?

However it works, I think it will be a fine addition for it and will come to much use, so please do keep it.

I've been squeezing what little I have left of a brain to come up with other useful modes that they might be implemented but I cannot come up with anything. All the less work on your part I suppose!
ian-c
daverj wrote:

It's too early to tell for sure. The frequency meter and tuner are experimental modes at the moment and still being worked on. Though I have proved to myself that both are possible, and on the current module appear to be fairly accurate.

The hardware is locked down (boards are at the assembly house being built), and I spent lots of time in the design getting the voltage measurement ability accurate enough for the scope and levels based audio tools. But I didn't add any extra circuitry to calibrate the internal oscillator and timing circuits to the precision needed for a high end frequency meter and tuner.

Until I get the production boards back and can set up a dozen or so modules next to each other I won't know how consistent the frequency meter/tuner are from module to module. Plus I still have to do temperature tests simulating a hot enclosure to see if they drift at all with temperature.

So at this point I will probably include them as modes, but won't be able to define accuracy specs until I get a large sampling of modules set up with this code.



any idea of the eta on these yet? i think you're gonna have a load of interest when these are released.
soundsculptor
looks really nice!
daverj
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
I'm not one for accuracy to be honest, but it will need to make itself manifest on the numerical indication of the module. That is why I queried on the decimal number and I did not use the word "accuracy" per se. In a sense: how do you plan on representing the frequency on the O'Tool? 4 digits?


That's still to be determined, and will depend on how accurate and stable I can get it to work. There's no point in showing a lot of extra digits if some of them just bounce around and mean nothing.

Here's the current test screen for this mode:



This is not the final screen that I'll use, but what I am currently using to do my tests. It has 5 digits to the left of decimal and four to the right. But at many frequencies some or all of the ones to the right are useless. For example, at this current reading the last two digits are just bouncing around.

If I were to lock the code down today I would probably make it 5 digits with a moving decimal point. But I plan to keep working on it and with some averaging might be able to stabilize it with 6 digits. Because of the sampling rate, at the higher frequencies it becomes less accurate. With the 25 nanosecond internal clock there is only one sample difference between 19.99Khz and 20Khz. So at that speed it's only accurate to 4 digits.

The frequency meter currently goes from 0.1Hz to 99Khz. But at the top end it's probably only accurate to the nearest 1/2 Khz, while at the bottom end it is probably currently accurate to 5 or 6 decimal places (but I'm currently only displaying 4).

The tuner section is configured to go from C0 to D#10 (16.3516Hz to 19,912.127Hz)

Next I want to try a dual input mode, where it alternates between two inputs to display both at essentially the same time. That way, even if it doesn't have absolute accuracy relative to some atomic clock, it still can accurately tune two oscillators to each other.

BTW, in the tuner section of the image above, the graph at the bottom is one pixel per cent, and the indicator gets a bit brighter when it is exactly on zero cents. The numerical readout above goes from +50.0 to -50.0 cents.

I'm considering moving the octave number over to the right one digit so it doesn't shift position when it goes from a natural to a sharp note. Like:

Code:
A 4
A#4
B 4

instead of:

Code:
A4
A#4
B4

What do you think of that?
daverj
ian-c wrote:

any idea of the eta on these yet? i think you're gonna have a load of interest when these are released.


It'll probably be around the end of the month before they are on distributor's shelves. They're currently at the assembly house. Once they ship back here we have to do final assembly, testing, and ship them off to the dealers. Schneiders placed their order today, so US, Australia, and Europe should all have them around the same time.
Bendu
daverj wrote:
What do you think of that?


I think that I can't wait to give you my money. thumbs up

But specifically about moving the octave number; I think that a non-shifting number would be clearer.
mckenic
thumbs up

Looks better with octave pushed over (first example)... 2 or 3 decimal places would be good enough for me.

Really excited by these developments. I was all Gung-ho about the module until these changes. Now its ESSENTIAL!
frijitz
daverj wrote:
I don't think the way the X/Y mode is currently set up will do what you need. It's currently set up for audio rate oscillations. Because I don't have any easy way to simulate the fadeout of long persistence phosphor, I am sampling the inputs for an adjustable amount of time and then displaying the result, while sampling the next set of samples. The sampling period currently is selectable from 1mSec to 100mSec.

I could experiment with an additional method of doing X/Y where I fill a buffer over a long period of time and display the results at a faster refresh rate. That way the samples could be done over many seconds, but still have a reasonable refresh rate. But I do have limits on how much RAM is available for that buffer, and how long it will take to convert the buffer to the display.

What's the range of speeds for your controller? If the sampling of the X/Y is too slow it'll look like dotted lines. And if the buffer isn't large enough then it won't hold a very large pattern.

To me it's difficult to really characterize what rates are appropriate, since there is such a wide range possible.

I suppose I would envision something like a low sampling rate (20Hz) with data from the last few seconds being displayed. This wouldn't need really high resolution and a series of dots would be fine.

Thanks for replying!

Ian
daverj
Ian, I'll give that a shot later this week and see how it looks with some slow LFOs.
VanEck
This thing just gets better and better. An essential utility swiss army knife.
paults
Only need 2 digits after decimal. Keep in minimal.

Next up: "color organ" mode. 16 IIR bandpass filters, mapped to rotating color palette.

Groovy.
frijitz
daverj wrote:
Ian, I'll give that a shot later this week and see how it looks with some slow LFOs.

Wow, thanks!

Ian
Paranormal Patroler
Seriously daverj? This looks like it is becoming an essential module for all euro cases out there. It looks really really good, and your numbers ... I can't imagine someone wanting more range than that.

Just to make sure, you might push it to 6 digits with a floating decimal? That's two decimal numbers at worst. Not bad, not bad at all!

I'm eager to be in the first 100 bunch that gets this so I'm holding my breath till it appears in Schneider's.
ollepetersson
Is it possible to pre-order this cool tool somewere? hyper
DoctorDoolittle
I think that this will be an essential module for my system. I can't wait.
locobitch
Can we change manually the tuner section for tune at 432 Hz instead of 440 Hz ?
daverj
ollepetersson wrote:
Is it possible to pre-order this cool tool somewere? hyper


Still waiting for the boards to come back from assembly, so no pre-ordering yet. Once the boards are back and we start adding the connectors, etc... then we can give the dealers firm shipping dates and I suspect they'll start taking pre-orders. I expect the boards to be back next week, so shipped to dealers in a couple of weeks.


locobitch wrote:
Can we change manually the tuner section for tune at 432 Hz instead of 440 Hz ?


That's something I would have to build into the firmware. Would the 432 scale still be equal tempered? (notes are 2^(1/12) apart, with 100 cents per note) If so, then it's possible. Otherwise, no.

The 440 scale has A, A#, B, and C at:
440.00, 466.16, 493.88, 523.25

So I calculate the 432 scale to have them at:
432.00, 457.69, 484.90, 513.74

Does that sound right?

And I still haven't done temperature drift tests with the frequency and tuning, so I don't know how close it will be to absolute frequencies. It should be fine for relative adjustments (one note or octave to another), but I don't know how exact it will be to an absolute frequency at any given temperature. In other words, you could use it to tune one oscillator to A4 and another to C3, and their frequencies would be in tune within a couple of cents. But I can't guarantee that the A4 will actually be 440.00Hz. (or 432.00Hz) With further testing I should get an idea of how close it might be.

If you need a precision tuner, you'll need to buy one designed for that. This is just a "free bonus" mode being added to an oscilloscope / levels meter module.
RichyHo
Pre-ordered at Schneiders.
lms.ktp
Will it be a limited run?
Paranormal Patroler
RichyHo wrote:
Pre-ordered at Schneiders.


You guys can't keep a secret can you? hyper
daverj
lms.ktp wrote:
Will it be a limited run?


Define "limited".

At worst there may be a shortage of a few weeks if the first 100 sell out before I can get the next batch of 250 built. I have enough LCDs to do 600 modules. After that I have to deal with a 900 piece minimum order on the LCDs. (which I'll deal with if these continue to sell)
frijitz
I just received an O'Tool from Dave to test. So far it looks really, really nice. It's already doing some nice slow XY patterns with my pseudo-billiard and chaos systems. It's a much better display than I can get with a regular scope. I'll post more as I get deeper into testing, but so far I'm very excited about what this module will be able to do for everyone.

Ian
daverj
Glad to hear it arrived OK Ian.

Anybody else have any comments on the 432Hz thing above? Is my understanding of it correct, and does it seem like something that would be useful to people?
Neo
440 only is fine by me, slightly inaccurate is ok too
Protofrangiste
I can't tell you if your results above are correct, but I would be also interested to tune it to 432 Hz...

I read some pretty interesting stuffs on this subject (cosmic 432 HZ vs nazi 440 Hz), here is a link : https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22543
mckenic
When Im tuning my guitar, I always tune the high E 'ever so slightly' higher than what my tuner tells me is in - sounds better to my ear...

So 440 will be super duper for me - I wont believe it anyway hihi
daverj
OK, I'll add an "A4=440" / "A4=432" button and a second frequency table. The notes and cents will have the same proportions to each other as the standard 440 scale. By my calculations the 432 scale basically means that all notes are flattened by -31.7 cents. (not counting the various non-equal tempered scales that also use 432, which I'm not going to build in)

As I said, I'm not a musician, so I'm going by what you guys say is useful, and what I can read on the subject.
Paranormal Patroler
mckenic It sounds better because it is better! Did you know that it is standard procedure for all violinists when they play solo? Or better yet, when they're not playing along with a piano?

daverj I don't mind having the 432Hz as an option at all, but I have to ask: are you certain that the proportions are the same? I'd have to disagree on that.

From Wikipedia

For instance, the A is tuned such that its frequency equals 3:2 times the frequency of D — if D is tuned to a frequency of 288 Hz, then A is tuned to 432 Hz. Similarly, the E above A is tuned such that its frequency equals 3:2 times the frequency of A, or 9:4 times the frequency of D — with A at 432 Hz, this puts E at 648 Hz. Since this E is outside the above-mentioned basic octave (i.e. its frequency is more than twice the frequency of the base note D), it is usual to halve its frequency to move it within the basic octave. Therefore, E is tuned to 324 Hz, a 9:8 above D. The B at 3:2 above that E is tuned to the ratio 27:16 and so on. Starting from the same point working the other way, G is tuned as 3:2 below D, which means that it is assigned a frequency equal to 2:3 times the frequency of D — with D at 288 Hz, this puts G at 192 Hz. This frequency is then doubled (to 384 Hz) to bring it into the basic octave.

So what would be the use of an A in 432 if you're not going to use the Pythagorean/Just scale? I'm just saying that if you are to implement it you should do it all the way.

PS: Boy oh boy I can't wait for this module. This and the Patch Chord are going to make really good friends.
dslocum
Damn. I'm jealous of Ian! waah
BananaPlug
dslocum wrote:
Damn. I'm jealous of Ian! waah

Yeah but wait, it's still getting better. hyper
plord
Very very nice. Pity I am out of money for the year confused
frijitz
dslocum wrote:
Damn. I'm jealous of Ian! waah

I'm feeling very lucky and privileged to have a small part in the development and testing of this phenomenal device.

I'm telling you all right now -- start saving your nickles and dimes. When you fully understand the importance of this module I guarantee you will want at least two.

Ian
Paranormal Patroler
What was the price again? I think I'll settle for one and see how useful it will be.
daverj
Paranormal Patroler wrote:

So what would be the use of an A in 432 if you're not going to use the Pythagorean/Just scale? I'm just saying that if you are to implement it you should do it all the way.


I found various references to 432 and to lots of other tunings for A, most of which were equal tempered scales just tuned sharper or flatter than others. There was also stuff about the Pythagorean tuning, which also mentioned 432. That is a much more complex relationship between notes and is beyond what I am willing to take on for the O'Tool.

Here's one such reference talking about the tuning of pianos and orchestras in England through the 19th and 20th centuries.

http://www.mcgee-flutes.com/eng_pitch.html

I am leaning more towards just including the 440 standard and people can use the "cents" numbers to tune their notes sharp or flat from there. If the musicians here think that 432 is popular enough, especially within synthesists, to be useful, I could include it. But I've already had other people mention 436, 446, and 430 tunings and I am not including all of those, or any non equal tempered tunings.

I do want to thank Ian for his help with the X-Y mode, which has been expanded to be useful for some of his slow control voltage devices. And a big thanks to BananaPlug for his frequent feedback on this module right from the early development of it.

Boards are expected back from assembly this week. We still have to add all the through hole parts, LCDs, and do the programming and testing. But we're in the final stretch now. (and hopefully the big snow storm predicted for tomorrow will miss us)

The suggested retail price in the US is $250 (I don't know what overseas dealers will charge since they have to pay higher shipping and import duties)
Paranormal Patroler
Totally with you on this. Even though I find Just Tuning to be a considerable upgrade on your module (and as far as Synthesis goes we already have these beautiful Wendy Carlos records to show the capabilities of different tunings) I'd have to say I don't think it is a necessity.

My previous post was just a clarification that an A432 on its own doesn't really stand for anything, you'd have to find the next best tuning system and use that. Also regarding those sharper or flat tunings in Equal tempered scale: those are tricks used in orchestras and quartets and whatnot and always depend on what the instruments are. As I mentioned before most instruments might tune a little bit differently when there is no piano (the Fascist of all instruments) on stage. I don't see how all this would be relevant to the O'Tool or modular in any case. If someone is in need of such tuning he/she will already own a tuner capable of handling such a task.

Speaking for myself I consider Just Tuning (which is the same as the Pythagorean as far as I know) as a really good tuning to have around.
Do keep in mind that there already are modules (like the recently released Patch Chord) that do have a switch to move from Equal Tempered to Just. So it might be something people might enjoy having.
I already have one of the O'Tools reserved in Schneiders so either way thumbs up

May your module be batchful (sic) and prosper.
dslocum
frijitz wrote:
When you fully understand the importance of this module I guarantee you will want at least two.

Ian


Whoa! Stereo O'Tools! What about 4 for QUAD? hihi
peripatitis
But what would the purpose of more than 1 scope in one system be ?
VortexRanger
peripatitis wrote:
But what would the purpose of more than 1 scope in one system be ?


My patches usually have way more than one (or two) waves travelling through them.
Paranormal Patroler
More eye-candy. Useful for many oscillators. Multitasking. Μουσακάς.
bsmith
peripatitis wrote:
But what would the purpose of more than 1 scope in one system be ?

One for scoping the wave and one for spectrum would be super-useful.
Monobass
That's a great dollar price
4285407da1d2a63820a3007c1
I see some people saying that they've pre-ordered this, but I can't see anything about on the Schneiders website. Am I missing something obvious? It looks great.
Paranormal Patroler
Guinness ftw!
peripatitis
bsmith wrote:
peripatitis wrote:
But what would the purpose of more than 1 scope in one system be ?

One for scoping the wave and one for spectrum would be super-useful.

Yes i get that, but how necessary is it to do so at the same time ?


@p.patrol: i like the way your brain works smile
Paranormal Patroler
hihi

It won't be necessary at all, surely. But I have to admit, the O'Tool looks mighty fine and it could be, would be, will be possible to feel the urge to have one O'Tool per modular case.

Oscillators are your meat, cables are your spaghetti and the O'Tool is the besamel = μουσακάς. thumbs up
RichyHo
Could someone provide a clear, straight, front-on photo of this module so I can build a rack planner file for it.

Forumcat #2 Cheers!
daverj
radiodread87
daverj wrote:


Its beauuutiful! thumbs up It's motherfucking bacon yo
BananaPlug
w00t RackPlanner Module zip of it
Paranormal Patroler
I'd love to see this instead of the blank panel I have in its reserved place screaming goo yo


PS: I have found a good reason to include the Just Intonation on the O'Tool. So we can do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhZpvGSPx6w

You know you want to. hihi
Monobass
Just Intonation would be awesome love
but I appreciate that the feature creep for this module is probably pretty infinite hihi
RichyHo
BananaPlug wrote:
w00t RackPlanner Module zip of it

Thanks for doing that. Looks good.
Paranormal Patroler
Can you input a module on your own? hmmm.....
RichyHo
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Can you input a module on your own? hmmm.....

On the rack planner, yes (not on Modular Planner), you just need an image file of the correct proportions. Open up an existing module zip, replace the image and edit the xml file in any text editor with the new modules details (size, name, image file). Rezip it and use it in your plans.Looks like this when you 'roll your own'...

Paranormal Patroler
Fixed
RichyHo wrote:
Looks really cool.
skipperdean
when will this be at ah?
daverj
Don't have an exact date yet. The boards are back from SMT assembly and we have started final assembly and testing.
Paranormal Patroler
RichyHo, an O'Tool next to a uFold. That surely is no coincidence!

daverj, patience be with you mate. Hope you don't run into any problems! Just curious, what did you decide about the 432/440/666Hz thing? Not that it matters really, there's a whole on my case waiting for your tool.

(ha!)
daverj
I've added a 432/440 button, but I'm not going to be adding Just Intonation. There are too many versions, and it's too different from the equal tempered scale to implement quickly.
John Noble
RichyHo wrote:
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Can you input a module on your own? hmmm.....

On the rack planner, yes (not on Modular Planner), you just need an image file of the correct proportions. Open up an existing module zip, replace the image and edit the xml file in any text editor with the new modules details (size, name, image file). Rezip it and use it in your plans.Looks like this when you 'roll your own'...


Or go grab a ready-made file here:

http://eurorackdb.com/node/366

Look for the button above the image. w00t
Paranormal Patroler
" I can stop at 9U, really! " You scallywag you!
Where do I download this infamous rack planner?
John Noble
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
" I can stop at 9U, really! " You scallywag you!


No, urbanscallywag is the guy over at http://erthenvar.com/ lol

Edit:

There is a RackPlanner subforum here, and you can get the program here:

http://www.hevanet.com/dougcl/rp/
Paranormal Patroler
Parrot = pirate in my book. Dead, pining, sleeping or otherwise.
VortexRanger
Bumpity Bumpity Boop.
deastman
Don't worry, I've only been checking AH every hour, on the hour, for the past month.
daverj
Almost ready. Running a bit behind schedule, but I want this to be as close to perfect as possible when it ships.

My assistant has been soldering on all the connectors, getting the hardware ready, while I've been tweaking the firmware.

Thanks to feedback from Ian Fritz the X/Y mode is now much more robust and works in much slower realms, as well as the original faster ones. He also discovered a bug in the VU meter at very specific low frequencies. It took longer than expected to solve that one, but the VU is now working very well and matches the VU meter spec for rise/fall and accuracy.

I also came up with a way to store self-calibration data in the device (and built a calibration fixture) so that I could add an accurate DC voltmeter mode. Of course there is still no temperature sensor in the module, so the voltmeter and frequency meter modes will have a certain amount of drift with temperature. But at least those extra modes exist at all now.

I am in the middle of a rebuild of the spectrum analyzer mode, with twice the resolution of the original, and more accurate than before.

I'm hoping the firmware will finally be finished this week and I can start programming and testing the finished units next week.
Mad Dog
Dave, this has got to be the coolest module of all time. love love love

Every Eurorack owner who has more than 12u of modules should be making room for this. It's motherfucking bacon yo

I think this might become standard equipment for any enclosures I build from now on. thumbs up

Mike
hpsounds
@Daverj
That sounds great !!! love

Hédi K.
jln
hpsounds wrote:
@Daverj
That sounds great !!! love

Hédi K.


Judging by the lack of audio out I doubt a bit it'll sound great, but it'll surely look great ! ;-)
Paranormal Patroler
Mad Dog wrote:
Every Eurorack owner who has more than 12u of modules should be making room for this.


Make that 9u and up! I've been saving space just for this little gargantuan baby.

Mad Dog wrote:
I think this might become standard equipment for any enclosures I build from now on.


Guinness ftw!
theabsent
I've been so out of euro scene this year... Just now discovered this. I'm in for one (for starters).
lessavyfav
w00t
hpsounds
jln wrote:
hpsounds wrote:
@Daverj
That sounds great !!! love

Hédi K.


Judging by the lack of audio out I doubt a bit it'll sound great, but it'll surely look great ! ;-)


Dead Banana Nutter! (hides) dizzy

Hédi K.
Bluebox
When I first saw this, I was impressed. Now that I've seen the price, I am doubly so. I'm glad I recently upgraded to a larger case, because this definitely wants a home in my layout. Beautiful and useful!

Cheers,
-ian
jw112
Before the video I was thinking maybe. After the videos I was thinking probably. Now that it might work as a tuner I'm definitely getting this.
READYdot
So what's the news!? I'm totally eagerly awaiting this thing!!! screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo
mig27
+1
Money burning hole in pocket!
Clockgate
+2 Got one pre-ordered at Schneiders. hyper
bouzoukijoe1
I want one too
frequencycentral
Wow, definately want one...
milkyjoe
I am eagerly awaiting one of these too. I wish i could pre-order one from somewhere..
RichyHo
I pre-ordered at Schneiders. Hoping it's not much longer, but I'm totally cool with waiting as I know the 'delay' is due to ironing out bugs and adding new features. This is just going to be so useful.
iVardensphere
I dig it!

applause
iVardensphere
Question... Will software/firmware be updatable from home should you improve them down the road? Is there a good update path available?
daverj
The firmware is finally done! (well, I have to remove some debugging code and change the version number on the splash screen).

I still need to write a simple instruction sheet. (and a more comprehensive online PDF) Then I have to cut the anti-static windows on my laser and do final assembly, programming & testing. So probably another week before the first packages ship.

Quote:
Question... Will software/firmware be updatable from home should you improve them down the road? Is there a good update path available?


Unfortunately there is no simple method to update firmware. It takes special hardware & software. That's why I've been working so hard to be sure all the bugs are found before shipping anything, and that all possible modes are added.

The O'Tool now has these modes:

Single trace scope
Dual trace overlaid (traces are red and green)
Dual trace stacked (traces are above/below each other)
Levels meter
VU/Peak meters
X-Y display
Frequency Meter/tuner (single and dual channel)
DC voltmeter
Mad Dog
What more can I say other than...
It's motherfucking bacon yo thumbs up MY ASS IS BLEEDING Rockin' Banana! screaming goo yo Wow! jawdrop

Still not enough to fully express my feelings about this module.

Just plain awesome.

Mike
a100user
Superb job Dave.

I like it so much I have also pre-ordered from SchneidersLaden

thumbs up

David
Paranormal Patroler
SchneidersLaden have it coming from a shy first pre-order ("would it be possibe ...") to a massive pre-order ("where the hell is my o'tool!") in a matter of weeks.

I for one have to say take your time daverj, really. It's a must have and you should make it as good as you want it to be. thumbs up
a100user
I received a mail from SchneidersLaden today that the module will be shipped today or tomorrow at latest applause applause applause

Either they are shipping vapourware or Dave has done a superb job shipping our to Germany.

Assuming the latter - Nice one Dave thumbs up

EDIT - Simple error, it appears I was going to get an MVIP shipped until they realised that wasn't what was ordered.
toppobrillo
awesome, ill be grabbin one asap!
Neo
where will they be available (other than Schneiders) ?
JeremyLemos
Just looked all over AH for this... Not shipping yet? I'd love to get my hands on one!
BananaPlug
Isn't this the point in the thread where some wiggler posts a picture of a giant bin of them in a big box store with all over the place?
monstrinho
daverj wrote:
The firmware is finally done! (well, I have to remove some debugging code and change the version number on the splash screen).

I still need to write a simple instruction sheet. (and a more comprehensive online PDF) Then I have to cut the anti-static windows on my laser and do final assembly, programming & testing. So probably another week before the first packages ship.

Quote:
Question... Will software/firmware be updatable from home should you improve them down the road? Is there a good update path available?


Unfortunately there is no simple method to update firmware. It takes special hardware & software. That's why I've been working so hard to be sure all the bugs are found before shipping anything, and that all possible modes are added.

The O'Tool now has these modes:

Single trace scope
Dual trace overlaid (traces are red and green)
Dual trace stacked (traces are above/below each other)
Levels meter
VU/Peak meters
X-Y display
Frequency Meter/tuner (single and dual channel)
DC voltmeter



WOW!!! Just really WOW!! That's a huge amount of functionality in a small package. The fact that it can do VU / Levels just sold me. It really seems like an amazingly well thought out module. Definitely going to be worth the wait.

we're not worthy
Monobass
Bump!
JeremyLemos
Yeah, for REAL. When can I buy one of these bad boys?
Paranormal Patroler
Still haven't heard a price for this baby. love
bartleby
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Still haven't heard a price for this baby. love

the eurorackdb says usd 250. but what good does a price do, if there is nowhere you can buy it (yet)? smile
transistor logic
love it has a voltmeter !
Paranormal Patroler
bartleby wrote:
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Still haven't heard a price for this baby. love

the eurorackdb says usd 250. but what good does a price do, if there is nowhere you can buy it (yet)? smile


It's coming along, hold your horses.
xonetacular
Just curious, do you think this module is a good replacement for a normal oscilloscope?

I want to get a scope and for $250 you can get a pretty decent digital oscilloscope (looking at Atten scopes on ebay).. Not sure what would be better- a little scope (and I guess it does a bit more) eurorack module or a full size bench scope.
lyinghippie
xonetacular wrote:
Just curious, do you think this module is a good replacement for a normal oscilloscope?

I want to get a scope and for $250 you can get a pretty decent digital oscilloscope (looking at Atten scopes on ebay).. Not sure what would be better- a little scope (and I guess it does a bit more) eurorack module or a full size bench scope.


I like the fact that the O'Tool has features other scopes would not have. A tuner and metering off the top of my head.

If you would rather not use up your hp I'd say go the bench scope way. That's the only reason I'd go that way. the features of the O'Tool are just too good to pass up!
RichyHo
Has this shipped to dealers yet?
JeremyLemos
Are there any O-scopes that have a video out? I'd love to project the waveforms...
Paranormal Patroler
lyinghippie wrote:
If you would rather not use up your hp I'd say go the bench scope way. That's the only reason I'd go that way. the features of the O'Tool are just too good to pass up!


Any decent wiggler will sell his oscilloscope and buy HP for an O'Tool
lyinghippie
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
lyinghippie wrote:
If you would rather not use up your hp I'd say go the bench scope way. That's the only reason I'd go that way. the features of the O'Tool are just too good to pass up!


Any decent wiggler will sell his oscilloscope and buy HP for an O'Tool


Point well taken! thumbs up
metaBit
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
lyinghippie wrote:
If you would rather not use up your hp I'd say go the bench scope way. That's the only reason I'd go that way. the features of the O'Tool are just too good to pass up!


Any decent wiggler will sell his oscilloscope and buy HP for an O'Tool


Nah... Use both! wink
DoctorDoolittle
bump waah because this module needs to be in every case. of mine.
daverj
The O'Tool isn't a substitute for a big oscilloscope, if you need a large display and all the features of a full scope. The O'Tool has a subset of the features of a dedicated large scope. It doesn't have the individual voltage scale selectors on each input (it has a few scales targeted at modular users). It doesn't have all the selections and level knob on the trigger. It doesn't have a dual timebase, delayed sweep, or a 10X zoom button. But most of all it doesn't have the really big screen of a large scope.

So if you need all the features of a big scope, you should get one.

On the other hand it does have lots of features no large scope has. hihi

As for availability... All I can say is it's very very close. It took longer than I expected to solder all the little LCD screens to the boards, and the final assembly is a slow process. I'm working long hours trying to get them all done.
corex
The bad news is that I already spent the cash I had saved for an O'Tool, but the good news is that I've managed to save enough cash again in the meantime...

Can't wait! SlayerBadger!
lessavyfav
I'm am ready!
Funky40
the O´Tool will be a good addition to many modulars SlayerBadger!
now just to have all that cash needed help
.......and then the space hmmm.....
great concept !
lyinghippie
As for availability... All I can say is it's very very close. It took longer than I expected to solder all the little LCD screens to the boards, and the final assembly is a slow process. I'm working long hours trying to get them all done.[/quote]


Thanks greatly for keeping us updated, daverj! I check AH daily for the O'Tool. I know I'll check tomorrow, too. lol
Monobass
I pre-ordered from Schneiders, hopefully it'll arrive in time for the Brighton meet Guinness ftw!
Paranormal Patroler
The main concern should be to keep this module available for a long period.
Tubeampguy
Any news on a delivery date to AH? My crappy surplus o'scope died today Dead Banana I'm going to add the "O' tool" to my case as a replacement. thumbs up
Monobass
It's motherfucking bacon yo It's motherfucking bacon yo It's motherfucking bacon yo It's motherfucking bacon yo It's motherfucking bacon yo It's motherfucking bacon yo It's motherfucking bacon yo It's motherfucking bacon yo
Mad Dog
Is this your way of telling us you have one now? eek!
mig27
Video or it doesn't exist w00t
Monobass
I wish...still hoping it comes before the Brighton meet a week on Saturday! smile
daverj
radiodread87
daverj wrote:


AWESOME!!! w00t
chvad
RRRAAADDD!!!!
VanEck
daverj wrote:


hope you made more than that... these things are going to sell like hotcakes for sure.
CarlosS
Yeah 30 units may not be enough to go around... hihi
paults
I will be showing one tomorrow (Sat) at the San Francisco synth meet.
daverj
That was one pile, going to one dealer. They should be arriving at AH, Schneiders, and MeMe Antenna next week, and at Equinoxoz in a few weeks. Another pile are reserved by a 5U manufacturer.

I'm buying parts now for the next (larger) batch, but this batch will no doubt sell out fast at dealers and there will be a gap before the next batch is ready.



More details at http://www.jonesvideo.com/
sinemod
Hip hip hip hurry smile
Monobass
hyper
Paranormal Patroler
Hope my reservation at Schneiders is still solid! hyper
richard
would bananafication of this module be feasible?
andrewl0
paults wrote:
I will be showing one tomorrow (Sat) at the San Francisco synth meet.


Nice, I'm excited to check it out.
a100user
Absolutely fantastic.

As Schneiders accidentally debited my plastic I hope mine is first out the door.

In fact I'll call them Monday thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up
RichyHo
I preordered at Schneiders months ago so I hope mine is 2nd!!
Clockgate
RichyHo wrote:
I preordered at Schneiders months ago so I hope mine is 2nd!!


mine must be 3rd then... hyper
daverj
Schneiders is getting two shipments. The first should arrive there at the start of the week, the second towards the end of the week. So if they had enough pre-orders, they might not get them all out until the second box arrives.

Once those are gone, it's going to be a couple of months for more.
Monobass
I pre-ordered 2 weeks ago. How many are they getting?
shaft9000
richard wrote:
would bananafication of this module be feasible?


i would like to know, also.

doesn't look like switching jacks are used, so i guess PCB/faceplate gap-space and thru-hole or SMD is the big question
daverj
Bananification might be possible, but it wouldn't be simple. Switching jacks are not used, and the jacks on the left are simply shorted to the ones on the right (like three 2-jack multiples), so only 3 bananas would need to be mounted. Three of the jacks could be left alone.

But there is a row of SMT parts between the jacks, and traces that run between the pins of some of the jacks. So some traces might need to be cut and jumpered.

Perhaps when the next batch is done (around September) I'll see how difficult it is, and maybe do a limited run of ones with both bananas and jacks.
logicgate
Really cool.

Wanted to see a video of this baby in action!!
Paranormal Patroler
Does that make mine first at Schneiders? hihi

There is a video by daverj of the O'Tool in action on previous posts, check it out.
daverj
I do need to make updated videos. The ones I posted before were of the prototypes, before new modes were added and before some of the screens changed their look.

On the other hand, I suspect there will be lots of new videos with O'Tools in them soon. hihi
Paranormal Patroler
You can count on that for sure. I just hope you keep supplying them 'cause I sure as hell need one (and I don't know when I'll be able to afford one!) cry
richard
daverj wrote:

Perhaps when the next batch is done (around September) I'll see how difficult it is, and maybe do a limited run of ones with both bananas and jacks.


I'd be very interested in that. It sounds like it might be a bit tricky otherwise.
Monobass
"...is here and starts shipping."

http://www.stromkult.com/?p=2839
a100user
Monobass wrote:
"...is here and starts shipping."

http://www.stromkult.com/?p=2839


Cheers Monobass, just e-mailed Jessy for a delivery date.
Paranormal Patroler
Schneiders has them!
Clockgate
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Schneiders has them!


It's motherfucking bacon yo Rockin' Banana! nanners It's peanut butter jelly time! love
daverj
The other half of their order shipped today, so should arrive on Wednesday.
Paranormal Patroler
And here I am with no money confused
a100user
Well, can't be long now, just received e-mail
applause applause applause applause applause applause thumbs up

Andreas Schneider von SchneidersLaden sendete David Salter 1 FedEx International Economy Paket(e).

Der Versand dieser Sendung ist für den 18/07/2012 geplant.


Referenzinformation enthält:

Referenz: LI#17793 // 26090
Special Handling/Services: Zustellung am Wochentag
Status: Sendungsinformation an FedEx geschickt
Sendungsverfolgungsnummer: 793801693682



applause applause applause applause applause applause thumbs up
Monobass
are fedex giving an estimated delivery date?
companyofquail
mine shipped from memeantenna yesterday. should be here tomorrow or friday.
a100user
Expected delivery

Voraussichtliche Zustellung

Jul 20, 2012 bis 6:00 PM


So had I been going to the meet thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up

I'll even be staying late at work to ensure I get it for the weekend
Monobass
Yeah, as I don't have a shipping note yet I guess mine isn't going to make it in time for the meet. Oh well.
Alwaysnew
Been longing for something like this! thumbs up
RichyHo
a100user wrote:
Expected delivery

Voraussichtliche Zustellung

Jul 20, 2012 bis 6:00 PM

Same as mine!
Monobass
cry
Tubeampguy
A.H. Still NOT showing stock?! seriously, i just don't get it very frustrating sad banana help
corex
Shawn told me he would receive them Thursday and get them up Thursday or Friday.
a100user
Monobass wrote:
cry


Sad thing is I'll only have tomorrow night to have a play as I'm travelling Saturday
Paranormal Patroler
It seems the Modular VS Life theme is a common one.
ndkent
unless already sold out memeantenna got theirs in the other day
corex
Analogue Haven has them in stock now.
Tubeampguy
My order has been placed @ AH. Now the wait sad banana
raulsworldofsynths
Really excited about this one. Hopefully there will be enough to still order over the weekend.
Mr. Green
deastman
Ordered! w00t
Bendu
deastman wrote:
Ordered! w00t


Me too. Guinness ftw!
RichyHo
w00t It's here!!!





Monobass
looks like I just missed a FedEx shipment so maybe I will have it for the meet tomorrow hihi
ian-c
RichyHo wrote:
w00t It's here!!!




schweet!
mine is en route.
if you see a fedex van near coventry tell them to hurry the f**k up. hahaha
dslocum
Got mine yesterday. Gorgeous build! we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy
RichyHo
ian-c wrote:
if you see a fedex van near coventry tell them to hurry the f**k up. hahaha

He's heading up to you from Leamington Spa at the moment.....
no-fi
Awesome news that it's finally shipping!
Can't wait to hear some demos of this one!
Guinness ftw!
Monobass
put your fingers in your ears, that's what this module sounds like hihi
earlykooka
Monobass wrote:
put your fingers in your ears, that's what this module sounds like hihi


you beat me to it.
i was trying to work out if it was ironic or not.
you know how these things are ;-)
won't be able to make it to Brighton BTW, so we'll have to put off our punch-up/ booze-up :-(
Monobass
We'll have to have our modular street dance-off another time.
suboptimal
Excited for this to arrive. This is going to deepen the modular experience enormously.
Monobass
suboptimal wrote:
Excited for this to arrive. This is going to deepen the modular experience enormously.


massively. So many times this would have really helped me understand what was happening better... nevermind the new avenues it'll help to foster.

got mine too w00t

Monobass
wow. this thing is so responsive. better than I hoped it would be. might post a video later. thumbs up
Monobass
no audio in this video, I really just wanted to give my first impressions of the impressive refresh rate. I should have upped the anti-osc to +/-10v on the scope really.



00-13 secs - looping sequencer
13-31 secs - Malekko Anti Oscillator Mayhem output
31-51 secs - Make Noise Maths - Curve knob, then rise, then fall

so much more to explore... looks great in the dark and the screen is really non-reflective under harsh light too. perfect.
NV
Monobass wrote:
no audio in this video, I really just wanted to give my first impressions of the impressive refresh rate.


My primary complaint with prior attempts at oscilloscopes and frequency displays in modules has been the refresh rate - in such a dynamic setting as a modular refresh rates really make themselves known. Try doing much anything at all on the MFB Videoscope for an example of that.

This video really showcases a workable refresh rate for such a compact module, which ups the appeal dramatically for me. Great to see such thought put into that aspect.
daverj
Glad to see them starting to arrive. And Monobass, glad to see yours arrived in time for your meet. I was watching your anxiety during the past couple of weeks about whether it would get there in time.

The anti-reflective property of the window is a happy accident. I had 1/16 inch anti-static acrylic custom made for the windows (the thinnest standard size is 1/8 inch). The coating they applied to make it anti-static ended up giving it a nice matte or semi-gloss finish.
daverj
NV wrote:
My primary complaint with prior attempts at oscilloscopes and frequency displays in modules has been the refresh rate


The frequency mode doesn't have a fast refresh rate like the scope modes. Maybe about once per second. It takes a lot of sampling to get a reasonably accurate frequency reading. Plus with slow signals like LFOs it takes a long time just to get one sample.

The DC voltmeter is also a slow refresh in order to average a lot of samples and get an accurate result.

But the other modes are decent refresh.
Monobass
Dave... such a good call from Ian Fritz to give more flexibility on the XY plot refresh speed... I already understand my Jerkster and Double Well so much better we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy

Really glad to be able to show this module off tomorrow, because I know it's going to change a lot for me.
daverj
Yeah, Ian's feedback was important for the X-Y mode. I originally only had it doing the fastest half dozen speeds and was only thinking in terms of comparing oscillators. He got me to add all the slow speeds, how long to make the "snake", and even suggested the Faster/Slower buttons instead of the way I had it originally with one button cycling through all the times.

Besides Ian, I'd also like to thank BananaPlug and Paults who both did some last minute beta testing, and made suggestions that changed the final look of some of the modes.
Monobass
My Jerskter's Heart Beats Only For Me



I swear I had a rotating 3D spiral galaxy in there a few minutes ago too.. but I tweaked it out of existence. destroyer of worlds etc. Need to get a switch on the phase jumper of my SynthTech e350...

I can imagine spending quite a lot of time doing exploratory wiggling without making any sound! I've never been one for blinkenlights for the sake of it, but I'm looking forward to doing some R&D without making sound sometimes!

It'll be a nice alternative to exploring CV generators without doing the whole... 'well I guess I'll patch it fullscale to the 1v/oct of an oscillator to hear what is happening'. That wears me out... and when I'm ready to patch for real I'm a bit numb. Sometimes it's a nice catalyst for a great patch, but I can normally tell by my mood or energy levels when that's unlikely to occur.

For some reason I'm always hesitant to use my big old analogue scope, despite it being easily in reach and working pretty well. I've a feeling I might unload it very soon.
CarlosS
Every case should have one of these. Essential module! It's sort of like reading the news on a cell phone but then Euro is pretty miniature to begin with.

My favorite mode so far is Levels - I can say I actually understand the two outputs of the Noisering now, among other things. Makes all the difference to have some visual feedback without having to take your eyes off the modular.

Thanks for this Dave.

Auntie rides Honda:


Paranormal Patroler
I cannot wait till Monday hyper
Also glad this turned out so nicely done. And I'm also happy that the tuner was eventually added, I've been needing one lately. Congrats to daverj for creating a module that will hopefully become a standard to every eurorack case.
numan7
hyper ordered... i'm really looking forward to patching this for into kinds of things... but first the ardcore! twisted

cheers
richard
oh, I really want one of these.
raulsworldofsynths
Just ordered. Can't wait!
I'm gonna be w00t
And then...
Play Him Off, Keyboard Cat.
lloydcole
raulsworldofsynths wrote:
Just ordered. Can't wait!


Ditto.
Noha
just ordered one too!
the first time i patched an Arp 2600 to an oscilloscope my mind was blown!
i'm wondering how easily this can be used for something like circuit debugging or synth repair, and i'm looking forward to finding out.
kinda glad i haven't gotten around to obtaining a big oscilloscope like i've been meaning to...
corex
Mine arrived today and I ran home at lunch to patch it up for a quick test. The screen looks really nice! Apparently I need to trim my Z3k's sine.

This is going to be a really great addition to my system.
Monobass
corex wrote:
Apparently I need to trim my Z3k's sine.


heh! Exactly what I found!!!! mine looked like some kind of baggy old ass.
xonetacular
edit: nevermind vids are on the last page
Tubeampguy
UPS delivered mine this afternoon and I'm stuck at work right now! sad banana
Paranormal Patroler
Manufacturers need to take be more careful from now on. The ear may find plausible what the eye perceives false. Jedi
bj_gzp
I pre-ordered one at EfN, long waiting time till September tough :(
In the meantime i'll hep myself with good old Addac 205 dual scope and MFB VD01
O tool will be in the flightcase, as compact all in one solution for on the road.
At home i'll use the O tool to look at the spectrum, the Addac to keep an eye on 4 CV voltages and the MFB VD01 to display the 2 wave forms on a 5 or 6" screen. SlayerBadger!
maybe i'm a control freak, but i like to be able to troubleshoot when my patches to not work as intended.
cheers,
bj
Clockgate
Just got confirmation from Schneiders that mine will ship tomorrow. I'm really excited about having a scope right in the middle of my Ross Lamond 12U. I have a 4-ch HP digital scope on my workbench but, due to space, it's not very close to my modular, so I rarely have it hooked up.
suboptimal
This module needs to be seen to be believed.

Even my fiancee likes it and understands why I got it. That's a first.
a100user
Finally got around to giving this a proper play last night.

Dave I salute you we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy

This is probably the most valuable module in my rig today.

I can now visualise how modules are reacting & I can easily tune my VCO's.

I can do all this without having to dig out my old huge (uncalibrated scope) or my little guitar tuner (which was also a pain to use with VCO's).

A real joy.
Paranormal Patroler
suboptimal wrote:
This module needs to be seen to be believed.

Even my fiancee likes it and understands why I got it. That's a first.


Good selling point!

"Jones O'Tool. The other tool in your rig that your spouse will love"
RichyHo
a100user wrote:
Finally got around to giving this a proper play last night.

Dave I salute you we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy

This is probably the most valuable module in my rig today.

I can now visualise how modules are reacting & I can easily tune my VCO's.

I can do all this without having to dig out my old huge (uncalibrated scope) or my little guitar tuner (which was also a pain to use with VCO's).

A real joy.


This. Perfect little module - looks great, works great. My kids love "seeing the sounds".
Cat-A-Tonic
wow, the demo vids are awesome.

This thing covers so many essential functions.
Monobass
I've barely even used anything past the normal scope and XY plot yet.

so much to explore... being able to perfectly tune oscillators for FM (especially those bordering on subsonic) will be a treat.
supergregg
I really want one of these but Schneiders says no stock until September. Is there anywhere else in europe to get one sooner?
daverj
Schneiders was the only dealer in Europe that got them from the first run. Analog Haven is still showing stock. MeMe Antenna might still have some. And Equinoxoz in Australia will have some, once they make it through shipping and customs.

The next (larger) run will start shipping out sometime in September.

EDIT: update.. AH is now sold out
goiks
If everyone knew how cool these are, they would be all gone already. Module of the year.
Paranormal Patroler
Mostly has to do with all the preorders.
bj_gzp
Ok it's the coolest euro scope out there SlayerBadger! However, it's just a scope... and you never can have enough of them w00t
What would be a killer is to have 2 different modes at the same time displayed on the same display. For ex show a waveform and the spectrum at the same time.... It's motherfucking bacon yo I'm not aware of any scope able to do it, except the Addac 205, but it's actually 2 scopes in one module and you pay for it with the tiny screen size. If you are already crazy about using 1 O'Tool, get another one
hihi
cheers,
björn
daverj
daverj wrote:
Schneiders was the only dealer in Europe that got them from the first run. Analog Haven is still showing stock. MeMe Antenna might still have some. And Equinoxoz in Australia will have some, once they make it through shipping and customs.

The next (larger) run will start shipping out sometime in September.


Oops. Just got an email from Shawn. AH sold the last one this morning, just haven't updated their site yet.
Noha
MeMe Antenna has been sold out since last week (I called on Thursday)
richard
daverj wrote:
Analog Haven is still showing stock.


not anymore. Could wait for a Nana version!

8_)

Thanks to you Mr. Jones, I broke my summer resolution! Sure, I feel dirty but also kinda relieved
jessem
Guess I got the last one from AH smile
richard
Shawn told me that I did - hang on, maybe he tells everyone that hihi
Paranormal Patroler
Schneiders must be implementing the First In Last Out method. I just received a call that they shipped me the last O'Tool

hyper hyper hyper
a100user
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Schneiders must be implementing the First In Last Out method. I just received a call that they shipped me the last O'Tool

hyper hyper hyper



Excellent.

Now you to can appreciate what a great module this is thumbs up
Paranormal Patroler
Oh I already knew, that's why I spent all of my food money on it. help
bj_gzp
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Oh I already knew, that's why I spent all of my food money on it. help

I'm so glad i'm slowly getting out of this Eurocrack death spiral smile
Getting an O'tool of the first production lot would have put me back to square one. Lets see how i fare in September when O'tool hits Europe again together with some other funky modules meh
Just got my paycheck and hard time to resist the MMF2 in stock at schneiders... fap fap fap... waah
Cheers,
BJ
Reptil
amazing. I preordered at Schneiders' but they never replied.
now it's sold out. hmm I guess I should call them next time?
oh well shit happens.
Paranormal Patroler
Not answered? https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=881500#881500

Come on in before the lock. lol
jessem
richard wrote:
Shawn told me that I did - hang on, maybe he tells everyone that hihi

Ah you probably did. I ordered it Tues night and it shipped yesterday morning, and now I am officially out of space razz
numan7
Lotsa Love this module is just oh so-ooooooo COOL!



cheers
richard
thanks for the calm and balanced review numan lol

this and the MMF2 in the same week, oh fuck, and me with no real job
sinemod
Anybody Know when the next batch is going to hit the street ?
I miss this one :(
Paranormal Patroler
richard wrote:
oh fuck, and me with no real job


Yeah, what the fuck's up with the economic crisis? Couldn't they let it go off at some other time when there are less module to be bought? Seriously. angry
daverj
sinemod wrote:
Anybody Know when the next batch is going to hit the street ?
I miss this one :(


Mid to late September.
dan_k
I just had an order from AH that hadn't even shipped when this came out. Seriously tempted me but I'll just wait until September now.
spaceship
I can't believe these came and went already! I should have checked this thread earlier in the week smile
Noha
Mine arrived last night - very cool! From this point on I can't ever imagine being without this capability in a modular system. It's kind of funny that it was produced in upstate New York, shipped to the west coast, then shipped back down to NY City, but that's distro for you.

One interesting thing I noticed while using the tuning mode was a discrepancy between what the O'Tool was showing and what my Tip Top Z3000 MKII was reading out on its own display. By the time I got the Z3000 to read 440 Hz on the O'Tool, the blue Z3000 display was showing 448-449 Hz. Does anyone know which would be more trustworthy? I'd like to use one or the other as a baseline for tuning other synths and oscillators to...
daverj
I don't know the design of the Z3000 so don't know if it is more accurate or not. The frequency meter/tuner were added after the hardware was complete in the O'Tool, so it doesn't have the precision crystal oscillator or temperature sensors needed to maintain an absolutely accurate reading of frequency. (I mention this in the instructions and the web site). However the accuracy when comparing the frequencies fed into the two inputs is extremely accurate relative to each other.

If the Z3000 uses a similar technique, and also lacks the precision crystal oscillator and temperature sensing/compensation, then it is probably just as inaccurate with absolute readings.

The only way to be sure would be to borrow a very accurate external frequency meter and compare them.

Because of the lack of the precision oscillator and temperature sensor, there are differences in the frequency reading from one unit to the next of the O'Tool. Though during testing I did compare 10 units side by side at 1KHz and all were within 2Hz of each other (most within 1Hz).

I have a precision (8 digit) frequency meter which I used during development of the O'Tool, and I do have a Z3000 MKI. I just fired them up with the Z3000 set to 440Hz and my precision meter says 439.9 So it's very possible the meter on the Z3000 is more accurate than the O'Tool (though a sampling of one unit isn't conclusive)
corex
This isn't exactly conclusive, but I had similar results with my Z3k mk 2. I used the O'Tool to tune it and then checking the tuning with Guitar Rig's tuner, found it to be about 20 cents high (at C3).

The O'Tool's tuner is just a bonus feature for me though, not at all the reason I bought it. It's so nice to be able to see what's going on!
Paranormal Patroler
daverj wrote:
I have a precision (8 digit) frequency meter which I used during development of the O'Tool, and I do have a Z3000 MKI. I just fired them up with the Z3000 set to 440Hz and my precision meter says 439.9 So it's very possible the meter on the Z3000 is more accurate than the O'Tool (though a sampling of one unit isn't conclusive)


Yeah, but you aren't telling us what the O'Tool reading was razz
lloydcole
Mine just arrived!
It is hugely useful for a novice like me. And fun.
Cheers.
daverj
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
daverj wrote:
I have a precision (8 digit) frequency meter which I used during development of the O'Tool, and I do have a Z3000 MKI. I just fired them up with the Z3000 set to 440Hz and my precision meter says 439.9 So it's very possible the meter on the Z3000 is more accurate than the O'Tool (though a sampling of one unit isn't conclusive)


Yeah, but you aren't telling us what the O'Tool reading was razz


Well, because that rack didn't have an O'Tool. (I couldn't keep enough of them to put in all my cases)

I just slid over the rack that has my two O'Tools in it. With the Z3000 showing 440, the precision meter says 439.93, one O'Tool says 439.88 and the other says 433.72
Paranormal Patroler
Can I have one of those that agree with the precision meter? lol
Paranormal Patroler
One needs only buy one O'Tool to fully comprehend how one needs an O'Tool on every one's case.

You can quote me on that one.


we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy
raulsworldofsynths
Finally got to mount mine and its amazing! applause

Watched a lttlle modulated AFG, alien saws, Vulcan Modulator, Subcon Model 15, whenever these come around again I may get another for my second case.
w00t w00t
lloydcole
raulsworldofsynths wrote:
I may get another for my second case.


I was just thinking the same thing. I probably will when funds allow.
n0rd
I assume O'Tool was a limited run production? Damn, would like one of those...
exper
n0rd wrote:
I assume O'Tool was a limited run production? Damn, would like one of those...


I believe there's more coming in September.
daverj
Yup. The next (larger) batch is currently being assembled by mechanical elves somewhere in a factory in the desert. Then they come back here for final assembly (connectors, LCD, etc...) and programming/testing.

Most major dealers have already placed orders for the next batch, and should have them in stock by mid to late September.
richard
got mine

I like it thumbs up

been dreaming of something like this for absolutely years - already discovering lots of weird things about my Plan B modules hihi
Paranormal Patroler
Once again I'd like to say this is an essential module. I'll probably buy a second one if daverj will be so kind as to provide us with them in the future.
spaceship
Add me to the list of "cannot wait until next batch!" folks. Sounds like you have yourself a hit, Mr Jones! applause
DoctorDoolittle
also add me to the sad monkey list
I was trying to watch this module and I can't believe I missed it. waah waah d'oh! very frustrating huh? waah
This is the ultimate essential module..... d'oh! d'oh!
ausgeno
Is there somewhere we can pre-order from the next batch to avoid missing out?

Edit: Nevermind, Cody to the rescue. w00t
Monobass
Another great O'Tool moment - helped me get to know the Koma Kommander sensitivity really quickly.

Monobass
edit: wrong thread
artisokka
Monobass wrote:
Another great O'Tool moment - helped me get to know the Koma Kommander sensitivity really quickly.


Wow! The O'tool IS fast!
Monobass
artisokka wrote:
Monobass wrote:
Another great O'Tool moment - helped me get to know the Koma Kommander sensitivity really quickly.


Wow! The O'tool IS fast!


It's the fucking daddy. It helped me understand the Kommander sensitivity in seconds.

So yeah, after getting over the speed of the O'Tool... The kommander is really fast too!

joy. Currently whittling Ad Infinitum cables with a knife. Only a little blood so far.
VanEck
Sooo, pay day. Hooray.

Any place I can score one of these now, or is it sold out everywhere? seriously, i just don't get it
radiodread87
Dave just sent a small batch of these to my shop (with some MVIP's) very excited to see these and try one out,
djthopa
want
daverj
I believe all dealers ran out of them within a week of the initial shipment. Equinoxoz was actually the first dealer to order them back in March, but when they were ready to ship he had me hold off shipping them while he got his store together. So once they arrive there, he's the only dealer with any until mid to late September when the next batch is ready.
theabsent
daverj wrote:
until mid to late September when the next batch is ready.


Perfect timing for me : ) Going to pick one up from Schneiders unless those are all pre-ordered by then.
Paranormal Patroler
theabsent wrote:
Perfect timing for me : ) Going to pick one up from Schneiders unless those are all pre-ordered by then.


I'd wager they might be. You better send a message to Schneiders and tell them to hold you one just to make certain.
READYdot
Can't wait! Just don't know where I am on the waitlist...
Monobass
this module is still awesome

I can't remember life before it
Vcoadsr
Have PostModular in the UK placed an order for some units for the mid/late September batch?
Paranormal Patroler
Guys, you won't regret getting this.
Kalerne
Monobass wrote:
this module is still awesome

I can't remember life before it


+1
a100user
Kalerne wrote:
Monobass wrote:
this module is still awesome

I can't remember life before it


+1


++1

So damn useful. I have learnt so much about my modules I can't believe it.
READYdot
Stop it, now I want 2... very frustrating
Paranormal Patroler
Hey, don't worry. The more wigglers learn about them the more they'll keep on being produced. (get one for every case SlayerBadger!)
eucarya
Wow. Where's the best place to order one in the US?
exper
eucarya wrote:
Wow. Where's the best place to order one in the US?


Analogue Haven
eucarya
Word, thanks exper. Didn't see Jones in the drop down but just did a quick search and found it.
daverj
Vcoadsr wrote:
Have PostModular in the UK placed an order for some units for the mid/late September batch?


Not yet. You might want to suggest it to them.

eucarya wrote:
Word, thanks exper. Didn't see Jones in the drop down but just did a quick search and found it.


The full company name is Dave Jones Design, which is how AH has it listed. Schneiders in Germany has it listed as Jones Video, which is actually the name of my web site for modular stuff (since the majority of modules I have planned are video synth modules). So any given dealer might list it as Dave Jones Design, Jones Video, or simply Jones.

The next batch is moving along nicely and should start shipping to dealers in a couple of weeks.
eucarya
daverj wrote:


The full company name is Dave Jones Design, which is how AH has it listed. Schneiders in Germany has it listed as Jones Video, which is actually the name of my web site for modular stuff (since the majority of modules I have planned are video synth modules). So any given dealer might list it as Dave Jones Design, Jones Video, or simply Jones.

The next batch is moving along nicely and should start shipping to dealers in a couple of weeks.


Awesome, thanks fr the info. Definitely looking to grab one of these.
Neo
Just got an O'tool, now I know what the apostrophe is for... OMG Tool thumbs up
sinemod
Any news on when the next batch is going to hit the street ?
n0rd
sinemod wrote:
Any news on when the next batch is going to hit the street ?


Bump!
daverj
Running a little behind, but the next batch should start shipping within the next couple of weeks.
Warpus
daverj wrote:
Running a little behind, but the next batch should start shipping within the next couple of weeks.


headbang Sweet. Definitely plan on grabbing one!
LoveBot
Me too!
WMDevices
I am loving the O'Toole, so very useful and really helps in demo videos. Thanks for a great module Dave!
sinemod
So badly need one of those
Actualy i was thinking about grabing 2 of those!
hydrophilos
Any plans for a Buchla O'Tool?
daverj
No current plans for Buchla. Doug Slocum (Synthetic Sound Labs) is doing a 5U version though.
sinemod
still late on schedule hmmm.....
daverj
Sorry. Trying to get a lot of them done at once so they can ship to a number of dealers at the same time. Hopefully they start shipping out at the end of this week or start of next week.
techstar
Will any be shipped to UK dealers? sad banana
bouzoukijoe1
how about CTRL in nyc?
Noha
it's listed on the CTRL website as "coming soon"
bouzoukijoe1
does coming soon mean this next batch??
daverj
Yes,
Yes,
and Yes
qu.one
eyes...
daverj
Falling behind a bit. I had hoped to finally ship to dealers tomorrow, but I've been tied up getting ready for the hurricane/tropical storm (we are right on it's path after it heads north after landfall)

So it's probably going to be another week.
bouzoukijoe1
oh no. stay safe!!
eucarya
Good to see I didn't miss this batch. SlayerBadger!
daverj
The hurricane changed paths after making landfall, so we didn't get hit as predicted. Some 60 mph gusts and lots of rain. But no damage. Our main server and email were out until last night (data center in Connecticut).

We're back at it now and hope to be shipping O'Tools to dealers at the start of this coming week. So they should be in stock in various places by the end of next week. Finally!

We've been in touch with our dealers in Brooklyn, who are both doing OK, and anxious for modules.
n0rd
It's motherfucking bacon yo
bouzoukijoe1
glad you guys are ok. I hope none of the other modular companies got hit either. well, anyone else for that matter.
Fastus
Excellent news indeed! I've got mine pre-ordered, and wait with baited breath hyper
tuj
are you shipping to AH?
daverj
Shipments to AH and other US dealers should leave tomorrow. Shipments to other parts of the world will start going out on Wednesday or Thursday.
SamUK
daverj wrote:
Shipments to AH and other US dealers should leave tomorrow. Shipments to other parts of the world will start going out on Wednesday or Thursday.

Which dealers are getting them in Europe?
daverj
They should be shipping to Schneiders by midweek. Post Modular and Escape from Noise will be the following week.
eucarya
On the top of my "to cop" list.
wsy
Question to Dave: What cpu did you use in the O'Tool? I've attempted similar things with PICs and Atmels and ran out of gas really early.

(yes, I have an O'Tool in MU format; I just don't want to risk damaging it by taking it apart to see the chipset you used.)

- Bill
BugBrand
Can I just say - having had a brief check of one in a Euro system - this seems *really* quality. A total world away from small/cheap/sh*t mini-digi-scopes. Beautiful, accurate, informative = lovely.
daverj
Bill, it uses a PIC24H series part running at 80Mhz (25ns instruction cycles). Resources were tight, especially RAM, but by taking advantage of interrupt priority levels, DMA, and my past experience in writing multi-tasking state engines, I was able to fit it all in.

Modules started shipping yesterday to dealers, and will continue shipping in small batches every couple of days until they are in stock everywhere.
wsy
daverj wrote:
Bill, it uses a PIC24H series part running at 80Mhz (25ns instruction cycles). Resources were tight, especially RAM, but by taking advantage of interrupt priority levels, DMA, and my past experience in writing multi-tasking state engines, I was able to fit it all in.

Modules started shipping yesterday to dealers, and will continue shipping in small batches every couple of days until they are in stock everywhere.


Ahhh, OK. Now I don't feel so stupid- I was on 8-bit chipsets at 16 MHz.

Looking at the MicroChip web site, I don't see an 80 MHz PIC24 (they seem to top out
at 70 MHz) or did you go for a PIC32? . Or did you overclock? applause

- Bill
SamUK
wsy if you're just looking to tinker you might want to have a look at the Arduino Due. It's an 84mhz Arm Cortex M3. Shouldn't be too expensive.
wsy
SamUK wrote:
wsy if you're just looking to tinker you might want to have a look at the Arduino Due. It's an 84mhz Arm Cortex M3. Shouldn't be too expensive.


I've got two on order.... smile
daverj
wsy wrote:
Looking at the MicroChip web site, I don't see an 80 MHz PIC24 (they seem to top out
at 70 MHz) or did you go for a PIC32? . Or did you overclock? applause

- Bill


They list it as "CPU Speed (MIPS) = 40Mhz". That's the instruction clock speed. The master clock, which clocks a lot of the hardware, is running at twice that.

A PIC16Cxx part running at 16Mhz is actually 4 MIPS, since the 8-bit parts have 4 clocks per instruction cycle.
Fastus
Scopes arrived at Control today, and it looks great! Will be plugging mine in this weekend It's motherfucking bacon yo It's motherfucking bacon yo
Matos
Me too. Picking mine up Sunday...Sunday....Sunday... Dead Banana
Really excited about this one. Will make visualizing signals a breeze. A cool summer one at that.
qu.one
yup - hoping to grab one tomorrow.
Nullsleep
Picked mine up tonight at Control Rawk!
Fastus
It would be amazing if there were some kind of video out on this scope... would such a thing be technically possible?
daverj
Nope. It was suggested a number of pages back, but not possible without adding a lot of circuitry and cost.
reppiks
numan7 wrote:
Lotsa Love this module is just oh so-ooooooo COOL!


Ha, it should be renamed the O'Cool!
Fastus
Honestly, if you made some kind of expansion board for the extra video functionality, I'd buy it at almost any price.

One of the essential components for playing out is having some video - and what better way to generate that video than have the music reveal itself visually (plus no snarky VJ needed.)

Maybe I'm still under the influence of that awesome Lissajous video that's been making the rounds:

http://vimeo.com/48125405
robot909
One cheap solution ( I would do) for having a video out of the scope, is to attach a cheap ccd macro capable camera that is recording the scope screen. Attach it to a goose neck or something similar.
daverj
^ this

Or even buy a second one, and point a camera at it. twisted
eucarya
Back in the game! SlayerBadger!
daverj
BTW, they should be back in stock now at AH, Schneiders, and MeMe Antenna. Control got some early in the week, bu they sold out fast. Each dealer just got partial orders since they have been taking so long to finish assembly. So as they run out, more are coming close behind.

Post Modular and Escape from Noise should have some by sometime next week. And Infoequinoz and Rhythm Active in Australia the following week.
eucarya
Ordered one from AH a few hours ago. Looking forward.
reppiks
Just ordered one to go in my soon-to-arrive 3U case hihi
Matos
Love this thing. Dual trace is the greatest thing ever! No matter how much you think you know, this reveals a whole other dimension. One day I hope to bee able to sense cv level thru adaptation and accelerated evolution, but until then, this reveals the unseen.
eucarya
robot909 wrote:
One cheap solution ( I would do) for having a video out of the scope, is to attach a cheap ccd macro capable camera that is recording the scope screen. Attach it to a goose neck or something similar.


Super interested to see some documentation if anyone does thus. Mine will be here next wk and I will likely look into a few options.
JeremyLemos
http://hobbywireless.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&prod ucts_id=164&zenid=91a44044403a92d8e9014ef0b5247b03

This looks pretty good...
SYN7HOR
Wow. Just got this one and I'm impressed. No draw-backs whatsoever. Works exactly as you'd expect. Smooth and just... very, very nice. Total quality.

Finally, I no longer crave the Z3000 for it's tuner. This module just completed my 18u modular.

Thanks man! You rock!!
FlameTop
Recently got one too, and its rapidly become the 'how did I manage without this' module. Very easy to setup, very informative displays.
JeremyLemos
Just ordered mine from Control in NYC... I seems worth it just do you can check the phase of your mixes in the studio!
Clockgate
It definitely is a super useful tool for modular systems. I can even get a really useful output from the Plan B M24 smooth output using the O'Tool to assist setting it up. I don't envisage seeing many of these on the B/S/T forum.
soundwave106
daverj wrote:
BTW, they should be back in stock now at AH


... and they're already gone.

That was fast.
negativspace
It's an excellent module.

BUILD 'TIL YOU BLEED, DAVE. hihi
Jimmersound
soundwave106 wrote:
daverj wrote:
BTW, they should be back in stock now at AH


... and they're already gone.

That was fast.


Yep - I JUST missed getting one yesterday!

sinemod
Realy cool module A must have !!!!
If you do a revision the only enoying thing is that there is no back boutton.
Even if it is holding it for A sec.
Just à simple back and forth.

Still. WoW

Or do a XL version with à retina display 3.5" screen. (for my old days)
Vcoadsr
Now in stock at PostModular. 12 available.

Got in there early this morning.
fonik
this is so awesome. i wished i could afford one... i especially like the fact that it is not restricted to scope only, but offers much more functionality (tuner!!!). applause
SamUK
Now just 10 left, someone must have got in there before me
ping panic
twisted
reppiks
I love this module; X-Y mode just rocks!
Milanm
Once I have a bigger case i'll be grabbing one of these.

Cant justify it in 6u :(
exper
Milanm wrote:
Once I have a bigger case i'll be grabbing one of these.

Cant justify it in 6u :(


Sure you can! Reppiks has one in 3u!
reppiks
exper wrote:
Milanm wrote:
Once I have a bigger case i'll be grabbing one of these.

Cant justify it in 6u :(


Sure you can! Reppiks has one in 3u!


hihi hihi hihi
LoveBot
Wow, that was fast! I was hoping to pick one up in the coming week but I guess I missed my window of opportunity! How much longer until the next batch, another several months I hope not!
daverj
We're shipping out small batches every week, but there's a lot of dealers and they're selling them faster than we can make them. I've ordered more boards and parts to try and ramp up production, but at this point any given dealer might be out for a few weeks until we get back around to them.
exper
Looks like you've got a hit on your hands then! Can't wait to get one! I only have 8hp open now in my 12u. NOTHING is going there other than an O'Tool!
corex
exper wrote:
Sure you can! Reppiks has one in 3u!

I had less than 3U when I bought mine -- and that was not a mistake at all. My system is small but growing, and the O'Tool makes learning new modules easier as well as generally figuring out/controlling what's going on.
scdreger
Milanm wrote:
Once I have a bigger case i'll be grabbing one of these.

Cant justify it in 6u :(


Haha, I'm thinking the same thing, but with 9U. I am getting really picky about my remaining HP.
richard
worth dedicating a doepfer beauty case to it i reckon. very flexible solution, especially for folks with multiple systems. Gives you an excuse to fill the rest of the case too hihi
raulsworldofsynths
Hello. Just released a short demo of the Dave Jones O'Tool as part of my new eurorack show, Modular Wild.


Thanks.
Raul
suthnear
@daverj

Thank you very much: this is a seriously useful module. It saved me loads of troubleshooting time this past weekend.
JeremyLemos
raulsworldofsynths wrote:
Hello. Just released a short demo of the Dave Jones O'Tool as part of my new eurorack show, Modular Wild.


Thanks.
Raul


Great video Raul, thanks for sharing that... Now if only Control in NYC would ship mine out already!!

Do you have a link to other videos? Did you make one for the uScale? help
daverj
raulsworldofsynths wrote:
Hello. Just released a short demo of the Dave Jones O'Tool as part of my new eurorack show, Modular Wild.


Thanks.
Raul


Nice demo Raul!!

JeremyLemos wrote:
... Now if only Control in NYC would ship mine out already!!


Blame me instead of them. They're selling them faster than I can restock them, and I haven't been able to give them accurate delivery times. Their next batch will arrive in a couple of days.
User101
Useful video, thanks a lot.

My O'Tool turned up today, half an hour after I had broken apart my modular due to a house move later this week (I think the postman was waiting for me to finish before he delivered it meh )...So I have watched this video a couple of times in preparation for installing it early next week.
bouzoukijoe1
raulsworldofsynths wrote:
Hello. Just released a short demo of the Dave Jones O'Tool as part of my new eurorack show, Modular Wild.


Thanks.
Raul


Raul rules. More O'Tool videos please!

VanEck
Anyone know when these will be back in at AH?

Is there anywhere else in North America that has any stock?
exper
VanEck wrote:
Anyone know when these will be back in at AH?

Is there anywhere else in North America that has any stock?


Don't think so. More are on the way though so it shouldn't be long.
raulsworldofsynths
VanEck wrote:
Anyone know when these will be back in at AH?

Is there anywhere else in North America that has any stock?


Control seems to stock them as well. But looks as though they are out for now.

http://www.ctrl-mod.com/category-s/1901.htm
frequencycentral
Just pulled the trigger on a Jones O'Tool from Post Modular! nanners

Believe it or not, it's the only Euro module in my system that I've not built. Must be good!
far gon
ordered!

Control Modular in Brooklyn got some more in... (excellent service, btw)
exper
I've got to say, it is a really brilliant utility. At first I balked at having it taking up 8hp in my full system, but woah. Its great to finally see what happens to waveforms, watching differnt envelope shapes, etc.

Daverj, did you expect it to be this popular of a module? Seems like they sell out as soon as places get them in!
daverj
exper wrote:
Daverj, did you expect it to be this popular of a module? Seems like they sell out as soon as places get them in!


I had no idea it would be so popular, until other manufacturers started buying them to demo their own products. I'm trying to step up production and hope to soon be able to keep dealers stocked up.
frequencycentral
Absolutely love mine, so so cool a module. Thanks Dave.
exper
daverj wrote:
exper wrote:
Daverj, did you expect it to be this popular of a module? Seems like they sell out as soon as places get them in!


I had no idea it would be so popular, until other manufacturers started buying them to demo their own products. I'm trying to step up production and hope to soon be able to keep dealers stocked up.


Haha, great. I'm always happy for a mfr when something becomes a "hit" for them. Usually the extra interest and profits might spur on more designs.

You should later consider a "pro" version then, perhaps a larger screen, the extra circuits needed for precision measuring voltage and frequency counting, etc. as this wasn't the original intention when you first designed it. No more module demos with split screens of oscilloscope shots. Just film the whole case!
ollepetersson
Does the tuner work on more complex waveforms? My iPhone and E350 are not very good friends and this might be a solution maybe...
daverj
ollepetersson wrote:
Does the tuner work on more complex waveforms? My iPhone and E350 are not very good friends and this might be a solution maybe...


The frequency meter & tuner use a comparator with hysteresis on an AC coupled input. So whatever is going a bit above and below the center average of the signal is converted to a square wave and then measured.

So if the fundamental is the only thing crossing the center of the waveform then it should read OK. It averages a bunch of samples to get the reading, so if there is a lot of noise or harmonics randomly crossing the center line, it's not going to be accurate. It does not make any attempt to separate the fundamental from the harmonics. To do that you might want to pass the complex wave through an LPF before going to the O'Tool.
ollepetersson
Aha so that is how it works. Will try a LPF on my sounds.

Awsome module you have created! Will definatly get one.
dan_k
Fantastic module Dave, thanks so much for bringing this to market.

Only have had a few hours to play with it so far but it's already proved immensely useful. Really liked running it in dual stacked mode and monitoring the audio path on one input and the modulation on it on the second.
REwire
Should have jumped on one when it was in stock. I need to figure out what the hell is coming out of Silent Way at any time.

Dan
exper
REwire wrote:
Should have jumped on one when it was in stock. I need to figure out what the hell is coming out of Silent Way at any time.

Dan


Man, I was just going to tell you that Control has them, as I just got mine from there this week, but I checked and the new batch they just got in is already gone!

This is crazy!
daverj
More should be shipping to AH, Control, and MeMe Antenna next week.
madcap
REwire wrote:
Should have jumped on one when it was in stock. I need to figure out what the hell is coming out of Silent Way at any time.

Dan



I use this scope plugin allot for that
Plugscope

I leave1 instance active and drag it around to whatever track I want tosee what's going out.
bouzoukijoe1
just wanted to share some before/after shots of E350 waveforms processed by the A-116 clipper (from the under-appreciated modules thread). the O'Tool rocks.
by the way if you haven't viewed the E350 (and Piston Honda for that matter) through a scope, you must try it.

reppiks
Awesome how that one image showcases 3 completely different modules so effectively!
triplizard
Anybody know if these will be back in stock at AH anytime soon? Would love to pick one up.
daverj
I'm soldering up a batch for them, Control, and MeMe right now. All should ship hopefully the day after Christmas.
triplizard
w00t
sinemod
I love my Otool
but for a future revision it would be great to be able to not only select input 1 or 2 as trigger source but also the offset for the trigger point
exemple i have a lfo that go from -5 to +5 no problem
but if i have an lfo that go from +1 to +6 volt now it get more complicated.
(the Otool wil not respond to that signal)

maybe i did miss something
daverj
I had to make some compromises so that the parameter push buttons didn't get too crowded with choices, since you have to keep hitting a button to get back around to the beginning. The trigger button currently has 5 choices before it gets back to the first. If I add a bunch of levels on each trigger, that could become 10 or 15 choices before you get back to the first one.

There are a couple of ways currently to trigger above zero volts. The bipolar input settings do trigger as the signal crosses ground. The unipolar input settings trigger above ground. The 0-10v scale triggers at about 1v to 1.25v and the 0-5v scale triggers at about 0.5v to 0.75v.

Another method is if you feed a signal into input 1 or 2 and then connect the second connector for that input to the external trigger input (the second ext trigger connector can then continue on to another module). You can then look at channel 1 or 2 but trigger using the Ext Trig 1v setting. That gives a trigger level of about 1v to 1.25v for all input scales, bipolar or unipolar.
vanwulpen
Thanks Dave, I had not thought of doing that and usually when I don't want to trigger at 0V around 1V is perfect.

This module for me has become a must-have by the way. The reason being that some ideas (don't get me wrong millions of them work fine without any aide) only work if one can dial in things pretty accurately. I've been able to get things out of my modular which I know I would not have been able to otherwise.
triplizard
vanwulpen wrote:
Thanks Dave, I had not thought of doing that and usually when I don't want to trigger at 0V around 1V is perfect.

This module for me has become a must-have by the way. The reason being that some ideas (don't get me wrong millions of them work fine without any aide) only work if one can dial in things pretty accurately. I've been able to get things out of my modular which I know I would not have been able to otherwise.


Would love to see/hear some examples patches of that sort if you get a chance. I'm mostly looking at this module as a way to help me be less stupid, and also just for having fun looking at waveforms as I tweak them, but would love other ideas as well.
frijitz
Could someone please tell me the PS requirements for the O'Tool? Santa didn't leave any instructions. Thanks.

Ian
John Noble
frijitz wrote:
Could someone please tell me the PS requirements for the O'Tool? Santa didn't leave any instructions. Thanks.

Ian


130mA +12V
10mA -12V

Nice present, enjoy! SlayerBadger!
raisinbag
Do we need to reserve one if interested? I have been eyeing one for some time.
daverj
raisinbag wrote:
Do we need to reserve one if interested? I have been eyeing one for some time.


I guess that depends on who you plan to buy it from and how fast they sell out (again).
BTByrd
daverj wrote:
All should ship hopefully the day after Christmas.


JUST GET THERE ALREADY!
daverj
Well, it took another week. They shipped out yesterday.
BTByrd
daverj wrote:
Well, it took another week. They shipped out yesterday.


SlayerBadger! Can't wait to finally pick one up!
Jimmersound
Look who just joined the briefcase synth party:



I've been especially enjoying looking at the DPO Osc B sine and 'final' outputs in dual trace modes! Thanks for creating this beauty, daverj!

BTW kids - these are in stock @ AH at the moment.
bouzoukijoe1
congratulations! welcome to the club (of O'Tool)!! you are guaranteed to love it. w00t
taco blocko
I'm pretty convinced I need this. very frustrating
Hanz
Really happy with mine (early item), but there is one thing / feature / bug that confuses me.
Perhaps there's a good reason, would like to hear the dev's comment on that if possible.
It has to do with lower range voltages (somewhere for example between 0-1v on the scale) and the 'trigger' set to the signal source.
Example is a slow, attenuated LFO input into input 1 and trigger also input 1.
You'll notice the voltage display then does 'freeze' when looking at voltages that are not quite 0v. It's not a continuous screen update anymore. Once it reaches 0v or goes past the 'hidden threshold' ithe display updates fine again. Also, disabling trigger makes it go away, so it doesn't seem to be an accuracy issue per se?
daverj
If the signal doesn't go below zero volts, be sure you use the unipolar display scales. In the bipolar scales (+/-10v and +/-5v) the signal has to go below zero volts by about 1/2 to 3/4 of a volt below ground and then come back up across ground to trigger. In the Unipolar scales (0-10v, 0-5v) they have to go down close to zero and then back up to trigger, but don't have to go below zero volts.

There's "hysteresis" on the trigger, which means the signal has to go down below the trigger level by 1/2 to 3/4 of a volt to get ready to trigger, and then come back up across the trigger level to do the actual trigger. If a signal only goes a few millivolts below the trigger level it does not trigger when it comes back up across it.

If the signal doesn't cross those lower and higher levels within a certain amount of time then the scope switches to no trigger mode until the next time a signal does cross both thresholds.

If the timebase setting is much faster than how often the signal crossed the trigger level, then it will seem like it is freezing for a period of time. That's the way scopes work. Each scan across the screen requires a trigger.

With the O'Tool the faster timebases will scan across when triggered and then freeze until the next trigger (or the no-trigger timeout period has expired). In the slower timebases the trace scans across the screen when triggered and then erases the screen after the full trace has gone across the screen, and stays blank until the next trigger (or the longer no-trigger timeout has expired).
Hanz
Thanks for clarifying!
fac
They're back in stock at AH. I just ordered one. Now I just need another one from Mr. Slocum in MU format.
eucarya
Just an update, this module is amazing. SlayerBadger!
spacenoodle
My Sencore P163 died last week so I ordered on too. I'll miss the loud hum, the smell of the electricity coursing through, that lovely green tinted picture tube. I'm looking forward to the O'Tool but... waah
fac
eucarya wrote:
Just an update, this module is amazing. SlayerBadger!


I just received mine and I have to agree.
zeroseven
Any idea when the next batch will ship to Schneiders?

I paid up about a month ago and the wait is beginning to affect me Dead Banana
daverj
I've had some long delays in January. Hopefully they'll be back in stock there next week.
zeroseven
daverj wrote:
I've had some long delays in January. Hopefully they'll be back in stock there next week.


Great news! Thanks Daverj
Funky40
it took time, got me now my o Tool,
what can i say ?
a work of love ! GREAT work Dave !



...now, i would wish me such thing in big, 20hp or so. big screen
possibly not enough people would be willing to sacrifice that amount of space.
i would , absolutely
digital_steve
Got mine yesterday.
Instant cool.
thelizard
Is there an estimate on a new batch at Control and/or AH?
daverj
Control is next in line. They should have some by early next week.
thelizard
daverj wrote:
Control is next in line. They should have some by early next week.


That's great news. Thanks!
oopfoo
Installed the DOTCOM one in my reorganized Box 11 setup...mmmmmmm....soooooooo much fun to watch!

What is it about blinkies that make me so happy?
algorhythm
Say, any word on another batch? I seem to keep missing-out on the re-stocks or maybe someone knows where to track one down? Thanks!
ewox
algorhythm wrote:
Say, any word on another batch? I seem to keep missing-out on the re-stocks or maybe someone knows where to track one down? Thanks!


+1
daverj
Some shipped to AH and to Foxtone yesterday. So they should be there the end of this week or start of the following one.

There was a pause in manufacturing, but we're back at it and should be shipping batches each week now.
grimley
Just ordered one from Foxtone! What's the "updated LCD" all about?
daverj
It's a small firmware change to eliminate a faint flicker that some units had when the user's case gets too warm.
ben_hex
Definitely gonna order one of these. Post modular in London will probably be my port of call. Only hearing good stuff about the o'tool.

How accurate are people finding the tuning?
Jefz
Orded one two weeks ago, so probally on the waiting list.
How funny my second module I orded, with the reason I can see what happen and understand what I will be doing.
Other modules will fly in coming weeks so hope this module will be deliverd soon.
randomseed
Never actually used the tuning but its one of the most useful modules I got.

Being able to actually visualize in real time is so damn handy.
thebrotherspus
This oscilloscope singlehandedly solved the mysteries of the Addac Marble Physics module for me. I don't think I would've ever had a clue what was happening if it wasn't for the X Y mode on the O'Tool. Guinness ftw!
337is
I'm happy to finally have an O'Tool in my case. Such a quality build. Thanks Dave! thumbs up

From earlier in this thread:
daverj wrote:
There is also an "External" trigger (a third pair of input connectors). I didn't show it in the demo, but it allows you to trigger the start of the display based on a third signal which is not the same as either of the two waves being displayed.


Can anyone point me to a video showing examples of how the external trigger inputs can be utilized in this way? I'm struggling to wrap my head around their use and would love some basic patch steps to follow for learning how to use this feature.
ucacjbs
I believe that the two input channels trigger on zero crossings, so that in order for the scope to trigger off either of those guys, they must go from negative to positive at some point (triggering is what gives you a nice steady display rather than the waveforms scrolling like crazy).

So what do you do if you want to watch two signals that don't cross zero? If you can generate a signal that is in sync with the ones you want to match, and which does cross zero, then you can feed that into the trigger input.

I expect Dave will be along shortly which a much more useful explanation, but hopefully this helps for now!
randomseed
That actually makes sense.
if Im tracking an env Ive noticed it wont start displaying until I mess around with the modes so that's probably why.

ucacjbs wrote:
I believe that the two input channels trigger on zero crossings, so that in order for the scope to trigger off either of those guys, they must go from negative to positive at some point (triggering is what gives you a nice steady display rather than the waveforms scrolling like crazy).

So what do you do if you want to watch two signals that don't cross zero? If you can generate a signal that is in sync with the ones you want to match, and which does cross zero, then you can feed that into the trigger input.

I expect Dave will be along shortly which a much more useful explanation, but hopefully this helps for now!
daverj
The trigger level of the internal triggering (triggering off of input #1 or #2) is determined by the voltage range you are using. If the scope is displaying one of the bipolar voltage ranges (+/-10vDC, +/-5vDC, or +/-10vAC) then the scope triggers when the channel 1 or 2 (whichever is selected for triggering) goes far enough below 0 volts and then comes back up and crosses zero volts.

If the scope is displaying one of the unipolar settings (0-10vDC or 0-5vDC) then it triggers when the signal goes down close to 0 volts and then comes back up a little above zero (a little above 1v for the 0-10v setting and a little below 1v for the 0-5v setting).

The external trigger can be used several ways. One is as described by ucacjbs, where the signals on inputs #1 or #2 don't cross the triggering threshold, you can create a separate trigger signal that does cross the threshold and use it to trigger. Just biasing a signal down, or running into a comparator, or perhaps using another waveform from the same source (such as a pulse from an EG while displaying the analog waveform on the scope).

Another way it can be used to is to trigger using a related but different signal. For example if you trigger off of a clock divider then the trigger would happen once for every so many clock pulses of something you want to look at. That way you might see more complex pulse patterns from a counter or signal generator that repeat every so many cycles. Triggering off of the normal inputs might also work in some cases like that, if the repeating pattern fits exactly across the screen. But if not then generating a trigger pulse at the start of the pattern, and triggering off of that, allows you to always be looking at the pattern from the start.

Another example might be to trigger off of a gate or trigger pulse while displaying the envelope it creates and the output of a VCA it controls. Assuming the VCA out is a bipolar signal then you want the scope in a bipolar voltage mode. But that might not trigger off the envelope, and might trigger late on the VCA if the signal starts out very small. By feeding the gate into the external trigger input and setting the trigger to the 1v threshold (external trigger allows you to select between bipolar or unipolar triggers) then the scope will trigger on the gate while displaying the other two waveforms.
337is
Dave, thanks so much for the detailed reply, I really appreciate your insights and especially am thankful for your generosity of spirit in sharing your wealth of knowledge on Muffs. You always contribute such useful information. applause

I think I'm beginning to understand the triggering options of the O' Tool more now and am eager to try the examples you cite on my system. I feel like I'm on the precipice of the realm of understanding for voltages. I know most of the ways to use voltages in a patch, but I don't fully understand them on a mathematical/scientific level. I'm trying to grok the basics of AC/DC (good setup for anyone who wants to make a Metal joke), the various ranges (+/-v), and the nature of ZERO crossing in unipolar/bipolar ranges. Your reply has given me a really good starting point and I thank you again. I'm sure I'll be back with more questions as I go.
Paranormal Patroler
thebrotherspus wrote:
This oscilloscope singlehandedly solved the mysteries of the Addac Marble Physics module for me. I don't think I would've ever had a clue what was happening if it wasn't for the X Y mode on the O'Tool. Guinness ftw!


Hey man, now that you mention it. Any chance you can tell me how you plug those two in order to get good results?
paperCUT
Any chance of another run of these modules? It's really hard to find them for sale waah I have cash just waiting....
daverj
Working on more of them right now (well, took a break to come here to Muffs).
woodster
Good to hear these will be available again.
I could really do with one.
ben_hex
Late summer I'll be after one of these. Hope they're around easy enough then.
Hanz
Hi Dave, still very satisfied with the module... any word on that (firmware) update you announced some time ago?
roqeja
I love this module!
a100user
Dave,

Did you ever make up a Banana version?

Cheers

David
daverj
ben_hex wrote:
Late summer I'll be after one of these. Hope they're around easy enough then.


There's no way to predict availability. They are built in batches and the dealers sell out quickly. After the next couple of hundred ship there could well be a time gap in late summer or the fall between batches.


Hanz wrote:
Hi Dave, still very satisfied with the module... any word on that (firmware) update you announced some time ago?


I wanted to get a bit more caught up in shipping units to dealers before doing firmware updates on older units. Unfortunately the firmware isn't something that a user can update. It has to come back to me to be updated and then re-calibrated. After talking to a couple of other manufacturers, my plan is to offer fixed price firmware updates which contain a small fee for doing the update and the rest is to cover return shipping. That means ones being shipped back to people in the US will be cheaper than those having to ship internationally.

The other issue, which I don't have a good solution for yet, is that international ones will either have to ship insured for their full value, in which case local customs in that country might try to charge duty again. Or they ship insured for just the cost of the upgrade, so customs just gets charged on the upgrade (including shipping), but if the shipping company loses the package the insurance doesn't cover the replacement of the module.


a100user wrote:
Dave,

Did you ever make up a Banana version?

Cheers

David


Nope. Sorry. Never had time to play with that. I did talk to a friend about maybe him making a batch of modified banana units which he could sell, but I don't think there was enough interest to make it worth doing. Because of the location of the boards the only way it could work is with spacers that move the bananas up on the panels so they don't stick so deep behind the panel. And it's not an easy DIY thing because disassembling, removing the connectors, mounting bananas with spacers, and then soldering and reassembling is fairly complex.

It is probably easier to make special 3.5mm to banana cables.
a100user
[quote="daverj"]
ben_hex wrote:


a100user wrote:
Dave,

Did you ever make up a Banana version?

Cheers

David


Nope. Sorry. Never had time to play with that. I did talk to a friend about maybe him making a batch of modified banana units which he could sell, but I don't think there was enough interest to make it worth doing. Because of the location of the boards the only way it could work is with spacers that move the bananas up on the panels so they don't stick so deep behind the panel. And it's not an easy DIY thing because disassembling, removing the connectors, mounting bananas with spacers, and then soldering and reassembling is fairly complex.

It is probably easier to make special 3.5mm to banana cables.


Thanks Dave. The copnverter cables I have so will continue to keep some Euro in my studio smile
string56
daverj wrote:
The other issue, which I don't have a good solution for yet, is that international ones will either have to ship insured for their full value, in which case local customs in that country might try to charge duty again. Or they ship insured for just the cost of the upgrade, so customs just gets charged on the upgrade (including shipping), but if the shipping company loses the package the insurance doesn't cover the replacement of the module.


I think that sending the unit back to you insured for a certain value, the supporting paperwork for the outgoing unit can be presented to customs and import duty is only payable on the upgrade cost. You would mark the item as "returned after upgrade", indicating the upgrade cost but ship insured for full value. Customs would then ask the recipient to show the documentation for the outgoing package. I believe that's how it works in the UK at least. Clearly paying full import duty twice is not required, even customs would agree with that.
Hanz
Or maybe ask the dealers (Schneiders etc.) to function as a central collection point.
Ah, yes, the joy of being an early adopter... meh
exper
I thought I was in the clear, but now mine is lightly flickering. This is a paid fix?
daverj
Try moving it to a lower row, or away from any heat sources. It's heat that makes the faint flicker noticeable.

My current plan is to charge $25 within the continental US and $50 outside the US. A large part of that is the return shipping. With the time involved in unpacking, updating, calibrating, testing, repacking, and standing in line at the post office, I could make more money packing groceries at the local supermarket. So this isn't some ploy to get money from people.

I already make very little from the O'Tool because of the complexity and time involved in building them. I wish I could do the updates for free, but I can't afford to do that.

It took me most of a year to convince the LCD manufacturer that there was an issue with their screens flickering, and to finally give me access to their internal documents so I could find and fix the problem. I never shipped any units that had a strong flicker. (I have a box of those on the shelf here)

For units shipped last summer (firmware 1.0) this update adds increased accuracy and the user calibration mode. For units shipped from last September through March (firmware 1.1) this is purely a cosmetic update to eliminate the faint flicker. Units shipped since the start of May 2013 have the current firmware (1.2). The firmware number shows on the splash screen when you power up the unit.

I'll probably start doing updates at the end of June.

I apologize to anybody that feels cheated or inconvenienced by this. I tried hard to make this device as close to perfect as I could before any of them shipped, and didn't even see the flicker until after the first 100 had shipped.
Hanz
Thanks Dave for your comments.
Personally I don't feel 'cheated' in any way, nor think that your work should go unpaid. The dollar figure you indicate here does put me off, though, to be honest.
Perhaps this may come off as whining, which is by no means my intention, considering this is one of my favorite modules and I've recommended it to many other users.
Just some food for thought;

It's a difficult situation, because the upgrade brings fixes to things that could be considered 'base functionality' (versus paid feature upgrades).
From that perspective, a 'free upgrade' (or nominal cost) would be commendable. Obviously, on the other hand, surely nobody wants you to see you go breadless, that would be uncalled for.

I currently own a number of modules in my rack that have issues due to design mistakes. That just happens, especially with new modules pushed out sometimes a bit quickly (more common in Euro...).
But considering the increasing amount of software/firmware based modules coming out, I wish modular gear manufacturers would consider something of an easy upgrade path when building the module
(I've noticed, for example, units with a programming header / usb connection on the back specifically for this).

Another thing is: especially us Europeans we seem to get the bum end of the deal here (and this at a price premium, sadly).
Basic problem fixing at an overseas manufacturer almost invariably means having to go through a lot of complexity / paperwork and cost...
Working with the dealer channel should perhaps be the key here. Especially in modular, dealers are so much more than just resellers of boxes.

Oh well... world's tiniest violin, I guess. waah
ignatius
re: international shipping and import duties..

you have to mark the package on the form as "Electronics returned for repair" and then you won't get hit w/the fees in either direction..

or at least that's what elektron did when i shipped my MD back to them to get the UW upgrade back in 2005.
mckenic
Unfortunately I believe its different for each Euro country :(

When I had to send my Rene back to Make Noise, I had to have a repair number and form from Make Noise, Tonys address, email and telephone, a declaration of what was going on signed by me on a form and the original store invoice - all these copied and placed in a clear, see thru envelope attached to the outside of the box and duplicated inside...

I guess it depends on the country but sending stuff to the US is not as straight forward as it used to be in my experience...

seriously, i just don't get it
lessavyfav
Hi could someone explain more about the newer firmware?

For units shipped last summer (firmware 1.0) this update adds increased accuracy and the user calibration mode.

I have an early unit- never noticed flickering really... How much more accurate? What is this user calibration mode? Thanks!
daverj
Hanz wrote:
The dollar figure you indicate here does put me off, though, to be honest.


From past experience, shipping an O'Tool to Europe, insured, costs me $42. To Australia costs me $48. So charging $50 for overseas is about as close to a free update as I can get. (oh, and Paypal is going to take $1.50 of that too)

For most people the update makes no change in functionality or features. The light flicker can be a bit distracting or annoying, but doesn't effect the purpose or function of the module. Getting rid of it is closer to a cosmetic improvement. (don't get me wrong, I find it annoying too)

For the few people that got the first batch last summer the update is a functional improvement. But not to fix any errors. The first version worked as described. The updated version from September forward added an extra mode (user calibration) and extra accuracy beyond what was originally announced last spring.

The flicker wasn't a design error on my part. It was an error by the LCD manufacturer, who incorrectly initialized the display. Once I was able to access their internal design documents I found the problem and was able to fix it by sending a special sequence of commands to the display. But it took 10 months of complaining to them before they allowed me to see those documents.
lessavyfav
Is there somewhere that describes this "user calibration" mode?
daverj
lessavyfav wrote:
Hi could someone explain more about the newer firmware?

For units shipped last summer (firmware 1.0) this update adds increased accuracy and the user calibration mode.

I have an early unit- never noticed flickering really... How much more accurate? What is this user calibration mode? Thanks!


The user calibration mode and added accuracy are in the frequency meter/tuner mode. The other modes should be the same (the screen refresh rates might be very slightly faster, but barely noticeable).

In the first version the accuracy of the frequency meter and tuner varied from unit to unit by a certain amount due to slight differences in the internal oscillator in the CPU. I don't know for sure how much it varied, but I believe as much as 20 or 25 cents at 440Hz. (meaning one unit shipped might be off by 20 cents and the next off by 1 cent) The 1.1 firmware added a factory calibration step where I now calibrate each module to within a fraction of a cent from unit to unit before shipping.

But the temperature drift in frequency/tuner mode still exists. So if the user's case is warmer than the temperature I did the calibration at, or changes as they use it in different environments, the reading will still change. So I also added a "User Calibration" feature that lets the user do their own calibration of that mode with the module installed in their case and warmed up to their normal temperature. It requires an accurate frequency reference (440Hz, 432Hz, or 1KHz) that the user can feed in during calibration. They can also revert back to "factory calibration" at any time, or do another user calibration when using the system in a different environment that might be hotter or cooler.
lessavyfav
Cool, thanks for the explanation.
thebrotherspus
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
thebrotherspus wrote:
This oscilloscope singlehandedly solved the mysteries of the Addac Marble Physics module for me. I don't think I would've ever had a clue what was happening if it wasn't for the X Y mode on the O'Tool. Guinness ftw!


Hey man, now that you mention it. Any chance you can tell me how you plug those two in order to get good results?


Hi Paranormal.
Sorry I took so long to reply to this. I've been in bed for days with a bad back. Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, but the way I plug the marble physics into the o'tool is by outputting the x and y outs into channels 1 and 2 of the o'tool. I put the o'tool in x,y mode 0-5v and hit the slower button a few times until I get a nice little trail following the "marble" on the screen. Then I just mess around with the marble physics controls from there.
I love using the bounce output with the strike input of the optomix. Add some spring and it's a crazy ball bouncing all over the place in an abandoned warehouse!
Overand
If someone can help me to come up with a ~$100 '"gooseneck" camera w/USB that'll attach to my standalone TipTop Euro Case somehow' solution for aiming a camera at this, plus a camera that will focus that closely, I'll most likely buy one today! =]

It doesn't have to be 'gooseneck' per se, though something that'd be aimable at the O'Tool plus also useful for general purposes would be neat.

(I'd love a camera with USB and also NTSC / etc video output but that's WAY WAY not a priority).

Anyone have thoughts?
gotascii
Does anyone know of any vendors that currently have O'Tools in stock? Thanks!
daverj
More stock coming worldwide in about two weeks.
M-Circus
w00t

Been waiting for one of these for a while.
???
Sorry for this question, Can the O'tool be used to calibrate midi-to-cv and oscillators? I was convinced that it was made for this kind of job, but there was a notice on jones site that it may be off compared to external oscilloscope or volt meter. I like tight tracking, but I am not anal about it either...
daverj
It's meant as an easy reference to understand signals and waveforms while playing. But it's not really meant as a precision piece of test equipment for calibration.

The scope is accurate, but fairly low resolution compared to a larger external scope.

The voltmeter and frequency meter were added at the suggestion of members here, but after the hardware was finalized, so they don't have temperature compensation. They have good resolution, but the readings can change a bit as a case or the room heats up. So they are best for measurements comparing different sources rather than absolute measurements.

You can tune different oscillators to within a fraction of a cent of each other. But they might be off a bit relative to an external tuner.

The same with the voltmeter, which is meant only for stable DC voltages, not measuring AC voltages. It can compare two voltages and get them within a few millivolts of each other, but depending on the temperature might be off a little bit relative to an external voltmeter.
Dob
As I've got an SSL O'Tool in 5u format coming my way as we speak from noisebug, I'm wondering (read: worrying); does the flickering issue also apply to that expression?

And if so...any thoughts on what version they would have on the shelf? The latest/greatest? It would be very disappointing to receive a flickering old-version unit now. (that has to make a roundtrip back, right away)

Just worr.... wondering oops
Abraxis
Did I miss the new batch of these or are they still on the way?
floormop
Good question Abraxis?

Will you be sending more of these to Control anytime soon? I'd like to buy local if possible.
daverj
All the SSL ones were made before the latest firmware change. But it's very possible you might not see any flicker with them since 5U cases tend to run cooler than Euro cases, and whether you can see any flicker or not is largely an issue of heat.

Sweden and Germany were sent units last week (Germany received some, not sure if they've arrived in Sweden yet). Control and MeMe should have some by the end of this coming week. AH, Foxtone, and Post Modular probably the following week. And then more at Control and AH the week after that.
Abraxis
Great news, thanks.
Abraxis
Control is showing these in stock! It's motherfucking bacon yo
Dob
I received mine yesterday, in perfect working order. thumbs up

What a great module, already learned a lot after one evening, and it even looks the part... hadn't realize that a display would be such a visually pleasing aspect. Amongst the Moogish "oldschool" modules.

I'm in love hihi
Dob
Curves we're not worthy

analogue01
Are these in stock anywhere? Can't seem to find anything.
L.C.O.
I think a new batch is just about to hit distributors...
vmuriel
What a superb work Dave, thanks.

A banana version would be great, or maybe someone explaining
the diy mutation ; )
Thinksyncopated
Any word when theses will restock again?
L.C.O.
Thinksyncopated wrote:
Any word when theses will restock again?


the word is "soon" :-)

so i am told.
DSC
Mine are shipping from Foxtone NOW! It's motherfucking bacon yo
L.C.O.
I picked mine up on Saturday!

Cablebasher
Will these be making it over to europe (UK) soon?

Also, do you think this would serve well as my only oscilloscope?

Could I use it to calibrate DIY projects and look at other (non eurorack) sources?

cheers.
silversurfer
Cablebasher - I had an email from Postmodular saying they're expecting another batch soon(ish)
Cablebasher
sweeettt!!!!
L.C.O.
Hey guys, just to make sure I am not missing something:
O'Tool does not have non-volatile memory, and always starts with the same, default Mode 1, correct?
rico loverde
Got mine today thru a trade. Such a great module!!! Spent an hour running the PH2 and Megawave thru it
exper
L.C.O. wrote:
Hey guys, just to make sure I am not missing something:
O'Tool does not have non-volatile memory, and always starts with the same, default Mode 1, correct?



Correct! (At least as far as I've found...)
L.C.O.
exper wrote:
L.C.O. wrote:
Hey guys, just to make sure I am not missing something:
O'Tool does not have non-volatile memory, and always starts with the same, default Mode 1, correct?



Correct! (At least as far as I've found...)


I wish it retained settings on power down...

still a very cool/useful module!
exper
Same here. But its too useful, so I overlook that!
a scanner darkly
Any news on when the new batch will be available through the North American distributors?
exper
a scanner darkly wrote:
Any news on when the new batch will be available through the North American distributors?


Try foxtone. I just got one from them. Wasn't listed so I emailed them. They sent me an invoice and I received it 3 days later.
a scanner darkly
Ah, good call! thumbs up
Just sent them an email.
daverj
Trying to get batches out to a couple of US dealers by the end of the week. So hopefully available by the end of next week or start of the following week.
a scanner darkly
Great news, thanks! thumbs up

Just got a reply from Foxtone, they're out of stock too at the moment.
exper
a scanner darkly wrote:
Great news, thanks! thumbs up

Just got a reply from Foxtone, they're out of stock too at the moment.


Bah! Sorry to get your hopes up!
a scanner darkly
Ah, no worries, I do have an old CRT oscilloscope (got it for $50 on CL) that I can use in the meantime, but will be good to replace it with something that doesn't weigh as much as all my other gear combined hihi
337is
Inspired by Entrainer's comments in this thread: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21466&postdays=0&pos torder=asc&highlight=maths++maths&start=10

I decided to fool around with the Wogglebug and Maths a bit today to see if I could wrap my tiny head around them a bit more. This is where the O'Tool really shines in my opinion. Checking the offsets on dual layered mode helped me visual what I was hearing and what those modules were doing in a way I'd never thought of before. Plus, and this is the important part ( hihi ), it looks real purdy!



Thanks again Dave for one of the most useful, interesting, and fun modules in my kit.! thumbs up
BTG
Anyone know what US dealers might have these in stock?
dualmono
337is wrote:
Inspired by Entrainer's comments in this thread: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21466&postdays=0&pos torder=asc&highlight=maths++maths&start=10

I decided to fool around with the Wogglebug and Maths a bit today to see if I could wrap my tiny head around them a bit more. This is where the O'Tool really shines in my opinion. Checking the offsets on dual layered mode helped me visual what I was hearing and what those modules were doing in a way I'd never thought of before. Plus, and this is the important part ( hihi ), it looks real purdy!



Thanks again Dave for one of the most useful, interesting, and fun modules in my kit.! thumbs up


Video is full of Rasta-nana
petejm
Any news of availability in the uk? Asked Postmodular but no reply :(
cane creek
I'm in UK Interested in buying one too
ignatius
he was really sick for a while so no modules were being built. he's better now though so hopefully can get back to normal sometime. obviously his health is the important thing. there's a post somewhere in the forum about it.
Coconuts
How much do these retail for?
337is
$250 USD according to: http://jonesvideo.com
ben_hex
Not so great to hear about illness but glad to hear things are on the mend.

I'm after one in the UK too.
ignatius
i'm sure AH will get more once they're available

http://www.analoguehaven.com/davejonesdesign/otool/
daverj
There's a big batch being built now. Hoping they will be in stock around the world in a few weeks.
ignatius
daverj wrote:
There's a big batch being built now. Hoping they will be in stock around the world in a few weeks.


nice to hear dave! glad things are moving again thumbs up
jc3music
I would like one. It would be nice to know what's going on sometimes!
BTG
Dave, great to hear! Do you know which places will be getting them first (in the USA)? I'm guessing there is a pretty big pent up set of back orders waiting to go through
daverj
I'm attempting to do it so nobody receives them "first". So all dealers getting them will receive them within a couple of days of each other.
BTG
Sounds good Dave. I just get frustrated when it seems like a lot of first batches all go to AH, which leaves us East Coast folks sort of stranded since we have to wait for Ctrl-Mod, MeMe, and Foxtone to get their items in stock.
ignatius
BTG wrote:
Sounds good Dave. I just get frustrated when it seems like a lot of first batches all go to AH, which leaves us East Coast folks sort of stranded since we have to wait for Ctrl-Mod, MeMe, and Foxtone to get their items in stock.


you don't "have to" wait Mr. Green AH ships to the east coast right? just sayin.
ben_hex
BTG wrote:
Sounds good Dave. I just get frustrated when it seems like a lot of first batches all go to AH, which leaves us East Coast folks sort of stranded since we have to wait for Ctrl-Mod, MeMe, and Foxtone to get their items in stock.


Frustrated at west coast getting it first?

Try the other side of the pond, with heavy customs or elevated prices and no chance of grabbing the new stuff. Stock across the eu is generally bad.
AudioFetish
ben_hex wrote:
BTG wrote:
Sounds good Dave. I just get frustrated when it seems like a lot of first batches all go to AH, which leaves us East Coast folks sort of stranded since we have to wait for Ctrl-Mod, MeMe, and Foxtone to get their items in stock.


Frustrated at west coast getting it first?

Try the other side of the pond, with heavy customs or elevated prices and no chance of grabbing the new stuff. Stock across the eu is generally bad.


To be fair Dave at pm has got much better recently but we never get stuff quickly. I order for the US a lot and if you buy a few modules and under declare customs charges you can actually save money most of the time thanks to the exchange rate at the moment
wellurban
daverj wrote:
There's a big batch being built now. Hoping they will be in stock around the world in a few weeks.


Wonderful to hear! Does "the world" include Oz?
ben_hex
AudioFetish I've been hit with heavy customs from both USA and AUS. Only ordered from dave at post modular twice early on. It always seems expensive, but it's an expensive market.
AudioFetish
ben_hex wrote:
AudioFetish I've been hit with heavy customs from both USA and AUS. Only ordered from dave at post modular twice early on. It always seems expensive, but it's an expensive market.


Ben, I've sent you a pm.
BTG
ignatius wrote:

you don't "have to" wait Mr. Green AH ships to the east coast right? just sayin.


The problem is that in my experience with AH (and NoiseBug) shipping takes a day or two for handling, and they both seem to ship via ground by default, which means from ordering to receipt it's often 10 days. The service at AH is top notch, but waiting for stuff to arrive is excruciating.

NoiseBug takes the cake though with their $15 shipping for a module via ground.

Whereas MeMe, Ctrl, and Foxtone will usually ship the following day, using Priority Mail, so I'll often receive stuff within 2-3 days if I'm lucky.
petejm
Post modular have a couple in stock, go go go!
Remote337
Got one from PM!

It's motherfucking bacon yo
petejm
Mine just arrived from PM too, blimey that was fast! SlayerBadger!
BTG
anyone in the US have stock?
daverj
BTG wrote:
anyone in the US have stock?


In a couple of weeks. The current run is in the testing and calibration phase.
petejm
Hi Dave, just wanted to say thanks for creating this module! I've only had it hooked up to my rig a few hours but it's already been immensely useful. Great work! Guinness ftw!
waveglider
I love mine, but the big question is: when is the retina display OLED version coming out?? Mr. Green
istel
Would be nice with a scope to be able to better understand what kind of signals one is sending. Also nice to make lissajous figures, don't know if htis is possible with the O'tool though
daverj
istel wrote:
Would be nice with a scope to be able to better understand what kind of signals one is sending. Also nice to make lissajous figures, don't know if htis is possible with the O'tool though


The O'Tool is more than a scope, and is designed to help you understand the signals better. It includes a single and dual channel scope (with internal and external trigger), a level meter, VU meter, Peak meter, spectrum analyzer, X/Y display (for lissajous), frequency meter, tuner, and DC volt meter.
drip.feed
Hi Dave

Is there a DIY version? I'm on a 100% DIY kick at the moment (which is also why I'm now interested in this module wink.
Michel van der Aa
I've emailed Post Modular last week to order one when they were still in stock. Never got a reply. Emailed twice... seriously, i just don't get it
smetak
I'm on a count down for the o'tool's next batch! Hopefully, from what I've heard, in a week or two!
Remote337
Michel van der Aa wrote:
I've emailed Post Modular last week to order one when they were still in stock. Never got a reply. Emailed twice... seriously, i just don't get it


I just ordered online and paid via Paypal, think I got the last one.

Why e-mail first?
Michel van der Aa
Because I needed a Paypal request or invoice without VAT...
daverj
drip.feed wrote:
Hi Dave

Is there a DIY version? I'm on a 100% DIY kick at the moment (which is also why I'm now interested in this module wink.


Nope. It's all small SMT parts. Not very DIY friendly.
malnatim
is there any news on the eta of the new batch? i'd definitely like to buy one.
BTG
Any news? There's one on eBay right now that's already at $315 and with a day to go. eek!

I'm holding out waiting for a new one at the regular price, but it seems like it's been a few weeks away for a few weeks?
tylerb
BTG wrote:
Any news? There's one on eBay right now that's already at $315 and with a day to go. eek!


Haha you saw that too? Where's the finger wagging emoticon to reprimand impatient eurorackers! This will have to do... Nutter!
neubauer
I placed an order in schneidersladen in november 2013, and after 5 months waiting I am getting tired.
Iromeku
Mmmm 5 months uh?
evileye0702
neubauer wrote:
I placed an order in schneidersladen in november 2013, and after 5 months waiting I am getting tired.


Many of us are anxiously awaiting more production some more than 5 months. Dave was sick for an extended period of time which delayed production. He is supposedly working on them now.
pmsr
I too have been waiting for another production run for several months. It is worth the wait. Mr. Green
KONTAKT1968
It sure is ,only module I use in every patch.You can lose hours watching the shapeshifters morphing waves or whatever you like! when you finally get one you will be... It's peanut butter jelly time!
DSC
KONTAKT1968 wrote:
when you finally get one you will be... It's peanut butter jelly time!


And when you get one you will want another, so buy two when they finally do become available! I did and I'm much happier.
robkramble
Very cool - i've wanted to use an oscilloscope for a while now, may sell my Rene and cases to afford picking this up. Would be really useful to see compression effects in real-time out from the DAW, too.
evileye0702
I've been waiting for one since I first built my modular early last fall. I'm a very visual person so I know it'll be a huge help to my laerning process.

Even though I'd like a row full, I promise to only buy one to spread the love around.
M6live
Redacted.
daverj
It's caused by a very slight pressure of the antistatic window touching the LCD screen. It only takes a slight amount of bending of the front panel to make that rainbow effect show up. It won't hurt it, and isn't an indication of future potential problems.

I have two methods of fixing it. A do-it-in-the-field method that I hesitate to describe here. It works by slightly bending the front panel out from behind at those thin bars beside the screen. But there is the potential for doing it wrong and damaging the LCD (hence my hesitation).

The second method is a do-it-at-the-factory method where you send it back and I replace the small spacers behind the window with ones that are about 0.010" thicker. (you pay shipping both ways) You can PM me about either method.
nostalghia
Hey Dave-
sorry to bug you with a question you may be tired of hearing...but since it seems like a lot of us are eagerly awaiting the next batch of O'Tools at your dealers (I know I certainly am!), could you please give us an update on the current ETA for latest production run of this very useful and unique module?

Thank you sir!
WozNYC
nostalghia wrote:
Hey Dave-
sorry to bug you with a question you may be tired of hearing...but since it seems like a lot of us are eagerly awaiting the next batch of O'Tools at your dealers (I know I certainly am!), could you please give us an update on the current ETA for latest production run of this very useful and unique module?

Thank you sir!


+1

Eager to get my hands on one of these after playing with it at Control in Brooklyn a couple of months ago.
The Disquiet
+1
solaris
daverj wrote:
It's caused by a very slight pressure of the antistatic window touching the LCD screen. It only takes a slight amount of bending of the front panel to make that rainbow effect show up (...)


couldn't you suck it out with a vacuum cleaner?
evileye0702
solaris wrote:
daverj wrote:
It's caused by a very slight pressure of the antistatic window touching the LCD screen. It only takes a slight amount of bending of the front panel to make that rainbow effect show up (...)


couldn't you suck it out with a vacuum cleaner?


I was thinking the same thing but with a suction cup instead.
reodjectz
Grrr. Every time I see this thread pop on to the top of the forum I think another production run has started... Dead Banana
SkoPe
First post here. Dave said that more o'tools are shipping out, that was 3 weeks ago so hopefully mine it's now shipping after 6 months waiting we're not worthy but still have my doubts about it seriously, i just don't get it
daverj
solaris wrote:
daverj wrote:
It's caused by a very slight pressure of the antistatic window touching the LCD screen. It only takes a slight amount of bending of the front panel to make that rainbow effect show up (...)


couldn't you suck it out with a vacuum cleaner?


It would be a pretty strong vacuum cleaner to be able to bend metal. It's caused by the front panel being very slightly bent (thousandths of an inch) inward, pushing slightly on the clear anti-static window, which in turn is pressing on the LCD screen. Last year I changed the way the panels were made, and increased the spacers between the window and the LCD. The one in the picture was made before those changes. Before I made those changes I had to manually flatten every front panel, and bend them out slightly to make sure that rainbow didn't show up. Every unit was checked before shipping to make sure it wasn't there. But with enough pressure on the metal bars next to the LCD the rainbow can show up.

SkoPe wrote:
First post here. Dave said that more o'tools are shipping out, that was 3 weeks ago so hopefully mine it's now shipping after 6 months waiting we're not worthy but still have my doubts about it seriously, i just don't get it


I know that I've been saying "in a couple of weeks" for the past couple of months, but they are finally about to ship. I wanted to get the whole run done before shipping to any dealers so that all dealers get them at the same time. I'm on the last case of modules now, and they will all finally ship on Monday. So they should start arriving at dealers by the end of next week.
SpunRaddish
Yes! hyper
evileye0702
Finally. I can break open my piggy bank.

As much as I would have liked to have one as soon as they rolled off the assembly line, I do appreciate Dave's approach in making sure that all dealers get them at the same time.

These are going to go fast fast fast.

Mark
jezav
Great news, thanks for the update! Hope to get my hands on one smile
Bambou
Great news ! nanners
frankaponte
thanks for the update dave, huzzah! It's motherfucking bacon yo
jezav
Fyi to anyone interested - I spotted them for presale at Control.
reodjectz
jezav wrote:
Fyi to anyone interested - I spotted them for presale at Control.


Yeah I got in touch with control as soon as I saw Dave's post.... and placed a pre-order, very psyched.
Adamalthus
jezav wrote:
Fyi to anyone interested - I spotted them for presale at Control.


Thanks for the heads-up! Guinness ftw!
smetak
Couldn't wait - just got mine from Modular Control in NY.
WozNYC
daverj wrote:
I'm on the last case of modules now, and they will all finally ship on Monday. So they should start arriving at dealers by the end of next week.


YES! It's peanut butter jelly time!
malnatim
daverj wrote:

I wanted to get the whole run done before shipping to any dealers so that all dealers get them at the same time. I'm on the last case of modules now, and they will all finally ship on Monday. So they should start arriving at dealers by the end of next week.


will you also be shipping to uk and eu on monday? post modular and schneidersladen?

thanks!
zombie-j
yay! i've got my preorder from control. I've been checking for the restock of this module every week for a year!

really stoked to add a visual component to my synthesis experience.
daverj
malnatim wrote:
daverj wrote:

I wanted to get the whole run done before shipping to any dealers so that all dealers get them at the same time. I'm on the last case of modules now, and they will all finally ship on Monday. So they should start arriving at dealers by the end of next week.


will you also be shipping to uk and eu on monday? post modular and schneidersladen?

thanks!


Unfortunately Post Modular got their order in too late for this batch (even though the order was placed last winter). But shipments are going out Monday to Schneiders and Escape from Noise.
eremitalf
jezav wrote:
Fyi to anyone interested - I spotted them for presale at Control.


Thanks for the tip!
wellurban
daverj wrote:
Unfortunately Post Modular got their order in too late for this batch (even though the order was placed last winter). But shipments are going out Monday to Schneiders and Escape from Noise.


Are any on their way to EquinoxOz? Might be time for me to get excited!
gobobog
Control is no longer taking pre-orders. Y'all beat me to it.

sad banana sad banana sad banana Dead Banana
ortazel
gobobog wrote:
Control is no longer taking pre-orders. Y'all beat me to it.

sad banana sad banana sad banana Dead Banana


Ditto- are any other US retailers going to get orders? Analogue Haven says to email for availability, so I sent Shawn an email- haven't heard back yet though.
Kingnimrod
I preordered from Control as well a few days ago. Have been waiting for a long time and watching this thread.
evileye0702
ortazel wrote:
gobobog wrote:
Control is no longer taking pre-orders. Y'all beat me to it.

sad banana sad banana sad banana Dead Banana


Ditto- are any other US retailers going to get orders? Analogue Haven says to email for availability, so I sent Shawn an email- haven't heard back yet though.


Analogue Haven will be getting some. Shawn does not take preorders.
ortazel
evileye0702 wrote:
ortazel wrote:
gobobog wrote:
Control is no longer taking pre-orders. Y'all beat me to it.

sad banana sad banana sad banana Dead Banana


Ditto- are any other US retailers going to get orders? Analogue Haven says to email for availability, so I sent Shawn an email- haven't heard back yet though.


Analogue Haven will be getting some. Shawn does not take preorders.


Nice- I hope I can get one before they sell out too. I don't have the space for a real oscilloscope and these are pretty reasonably priced for a new one.
daverj
wellurban wrote:
daverj wrote:
Unfortunately Post Modular got their order in too late for this batch (even though the order was placed last winter). But shipments are going out Monday to Schneiders and Escape from Noise.


Are any on their way to EquinoxOz? Might be time for me to get excited!


Unfortunately none going to Australia this time. I'll post a list of dealers once they all ship. (probably tomorrow since I don't think I can get them all out today).
eclectics
daverj wrote:

Unfortunately none going to Australia this time. I'll post a list of dealers once they all ship. (probably tomorrow since I don't think I can get them all out today).


Crap. cry
BTG
I got a preorder email from MeMe Antenna in case people are looking for it
ortazel
BTG wrote:
I got a preorder email from MeMe Antenna in case people are looking for it


Thanks for the heads up- got in on one of their last ones.
daverj
Probably a lot are already sold out before they even receive them, but O'Tools are currently on their way to:

Analogue Haven
Control (Brooklyn)
Control Voltage (Portland)
Escape from Noise
MeMe Antenna
Schneidersladen
acidbob
Yes yes yes yes yes !!! Thanks so much, I just pre-ordered from EFM!

You're the best Dave!
gobobog
..and now they're available at AH:
http://www.analoguehaven.com/davejonesdesign/otool/

WOO!

Very excited about adding this to my system!

Thanks Dave!

screaming goo yo
davidschwan1
Just ordered mine.
DeckardTrinity
I've been waiting for this for months - I have zero modular gear, this is literally my first acquisition, but knowing how infrequently they're made, decided to snap one up. I learn far more by visualizing waveforms and can't wait to build a system with this integrated in from day one!

btw thanks AH for the e-mail notification!

applause
gobobog
DeckardTrinity wrote:
btw thanks AH for the e-mail notification!

applause


Ditto, thanks to Shawn @ AH - I have also been waiting a while for this module.
Adamalthus
Just picked mine up today from Control in Brooklyn. 8_) The ability to visualize waveforms and measure signals is a revelation. It adds another level of understanding - at least for me,

thumbs up Mr Jones. A brilliant creation.
vav
Fuck, sold out already?!
monads
vav wrote:
Fuck, sold out already?!


I know, what's up with this at AH? I was planning to order the minute the page was updated since I let months ago I was interested (and wasn't going to bombard with repeated emails). Sucks confused

edit: looks like one was held for me thumbs up
nolongerhuman
Managed to snag one from AH, after finding even preorders sold out everywhere. I have been waiting on these for some time. Many thanks to Shawn for the heads up.
exper
Wow. I think jones could have made double this batch and still sold out.

Perhaps a 'pro' version is in order, with a bigger screen, more accurate pitch tuning, etc. Charge a heftier price, and then a nice flood of used ones will hit the market for newbies! smile
Carl Hungus
It went up on AH? I got an email from Shawn that it was about to but not yet.
Oh man, I've been hassling him for months on this.
I hope he held one for me!
acidbob
I hate to buy modules when better featured ones are released, I stop buying new releases from these manufactors, sounds a little stupid I know, but it really bothers me... Maybe im a bit too perfectionist.

Temperature compensation is the only real thing missing hmmm..... Other than that I might just think the O`tool is perfect smile

The intellijel ones are always revised, and I always wait for V2
exper
acidbob wrote:
I hate to buy modules when better featured ones are released, I stop buying new releases from these manufactors, sounds a little stupid I know, but it really bothers me... Maybe im a bit too perfectionist.

Temperature compensation is the only real thing missing hmmm..... Other than that I might just think the O`tool is perfect smile

The intellijel ones are always revised, and I always wait for V2


Everything gets revised! Doepfer makes tons on changes and revisions. Cars are released each year with changes, phones, laptops, etc. Doesn't change the functionality of what you have. And if you find value in the new version, sell the old one for a slight loss (you did after all get use out of it, this isn't about investing) and buy the new one. Pass the old off to a newbie!

I'd like a larger screen, and accurate tuning. I'm still using an external tuner in this case.
acidbob
Yes I know smile you are right. Do you mean that you absolutely have to use another tuner? How far off is it? I just saw a guy on youtube modifying one for eurorack, seemed to work quite well.
exper
Not always. It's close enough most of the time. But if I'm trying to match something already recorded, or something truly in tune, like a software osc, then yes.

Depends on the patch!
Adamalthus
acidbob wrote:
I hate to buy modules when better featured ones are released, I stop buying new releases from these manufactors, sounds a little stupid I know, but it really bothers me... Maybe im a bit too perfectionist.


I understand your concerns and frustrations but - ironically - the fact that you're able to buy any modules at an affordable price is entirely due to the scale economics of constantly innovating/improving, technology-led product development cycles. You may not want to buy the latest module but we all certainly benefit from the many others who do. thumbs up
technotourist
Just got an e-mail from Schneidersladen the other day, that mine is arriving in 3-4 weeks... finally the wait is over we're not worthy
cephalopod
exper wrote:
Wow. I think jones could have made double this batch and still sold out.

Perhaps a 'pro' version is in order, with a bigger screen, more accurate pitch tuning, etc. Charge a heftier price, and then a nice flood of used ones will hit the market for newbies! smile


I agree. I just received mine and love it so far, but the tiny screen makes it hard to see with accuracy whats going on in a changing waveform sometimes.
I would gladly switch to a "deluxe" version if one were made, and wouldnt at all mind the increase in hp necessary to fit a much larger screen.
Ty
Wow - I been clicking on that page about 3-5 times a week for the past 6 months and they sell out like Taylor Swift tickets. very frustrating

I can't pre order, I dont wanna click on the AH page for another 6 months and I am this one module away from completing my first "build" that I have been working on since '12. grrrr Between this module and the wait for vid modules during '13 - yikes. I feel like the modular gods want me out!

cry

I know it's "modular" ya'll - It's my own fault I didn't think about that and my OCD more before I got started. Russian Roulette
Schiller
a video output would be great as well, so it would be possible to plug eventually the module to an external monitor


[quote="cephalopod"]
exper wrote:


I agree. I just received mine and love it so far, but the tiny screen makes it hard to see with accuracy whats going on in a changing waveform sometimes.
I would gladly switch to a "deluxe" version if one were made, and wouldnt at all mind the increase in hp necessary to fit a much larger screen.
EarlJemmings
Just picked one up from Moog in toronto (I think they just have the floor model left after 2 days!)
So, so gorgeous. Instantly cleared up some questions I had with my hertz donut, malgorithm, and envelator.
Definitely a good module to have at hand thumbs up
wellurban
EarlJemmings wrote:
So, so gorgeous. Instantly cleared up some questions I had with my hertz donut, malgorithm, and envelator.
Definitely a good module to have at hand thumbs up


Mine arrived on Friday, and I've had a great time experimenting over the weekend.

It's suddenly given me a lot more insight into some of my more esoteric modules, especially Pittsburgh ones. VCBEND's combination of rectification and wavefolding starts to make more sense, the "floating Z" mode on MOD is clearer, and I think that the oscillator mode in the Filter is actually trying to sync to in the input wave. The Generator/GenXpander will take a lot more working out, though!
acidbob
Ty wrote:
Wow - I been clicking on that page about 3-5 times a week for the past 6 months and they sell out like Taylor Swift tickets. very frustrating

I can't pre order, I dont wanna click on the AH page for another 6 months and I am this one module away from completing my first "build" that I have been working on since '12. grrrr Between this module and the wait for vid modules during '13 - yikes. I feel like the modular gods want me out!

cry

I know it's "modular" ya'll - It's my own fault I didn't think about that and my OCD more before I got started. Russian Roulette


I think you can order one from Escape from noise smile
pmsr
acidbob wrote:


I think you can order one from Escape from noise smile


Keeping an eye there but it is still not in stock.
toschek
I love this module with the E350 - very interesting patterns that make this one to wiggle even with the sound off!

Check the results I got from the XY/Z outs into the O'Tool:

digidandy
acidbob wrote:
Ty wrote:
Wow - I been clicking on that page about 3-5 times a week for the past 6 months and they sell out like Taylor Swift tickets. very frustrating

I can't pre order, I dont wanna click on the AH page for another 6 months and I am this one module away from completing my first "build" that I have been working on since '12. grrrr Between this module and the wait for vid modules during '13 - yikes. I feel like the modular gods want me out!

cry

I know it's "modular" ya'll - It's my own fault I didn't think about that and my OCD more before I got started. Russian Roulette


I think you can order one from Escape from noise smile


They have been sold out a long time already.
acidbob
Sad to hear that, but they will come again I am sure, it's a very wanted module. Sadly my e350 just got fried, just as I was about to get down to business
sd88me
word on the street is they have been discontinued.. :(
If anybody wants to get rid of theirs... hit me up wink
Kingnimrod
Seriously?
sd88me
thats what I was told when enquiring about any waitlists with a reputable retailer.
reodjectz
sd88me wrote:
thats what I was told when enquiring about any waitlists with a reputable retailer.


Until Dave comments, which I am sure he will, I strongly doubt it.

There may be a lag before the next run - but they all sold out within a week and it is very popular. I think we will get a few more production runs.
sd88me
hope so. that was the intent of my post anyway, to get confirmation from the big man himself.
n_m
Maybe a mk II is coming?
Michiel
I was told the screens were no longer available, so a redesign would be needed. Not sure whether this means an improved v2 or just a delay until more arrive. I guess only Dave can confirm.
daverj
Michiel wrote:
I was told the screens were no longer available


This is true

reodjectz wrote:
I think we will get a few more production runs.


This is also true

The company that made the LCD screens I was using discontinued them. Nobody else made one exactly the same. I have contracted with a small LCD factory in China to build a new LCD screen for me.

More details in a few weeks.
dslice1
looks great!
sd88me
any news?
reodjectz
news!

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=116284&highlight=oto ol
dmod
So I have wanted this module for over a year now and i even missed a few on the BST by minutes d'oh! So for the love of GOD please make this happen man!
DMC63
Really looking forward to this O'tool+

Will there be enough to go round? Sitting on the edge of my seat just hoping that some make it to the UK!
dmod
Oh come on! I just tried to bid on one of these on Ebay but it went up to $300+! confused Please for the love of God make this happen!
sd88me
+1 !
logicgate
If you just can't wait and really want a scope, you can get those nano oscilloscopes:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-Portable-Nano-ARM-DSO201-Handheld-Pocket- sized-Digital-Storage-Oscilloscope-/321285496025?pt=BI_Oscilloscopes&h ash=item4ace1b9cd9


You can send a copy of the signal to it using the stackables.
ben_hex
Is there a jerky / laggin sort of quality to those? logicgate
dmod
ben_hex wrote:
Is there a jerky / laggin sort of quality to those? logicgate
Do you know of anyone using these? I have not heard anything too positive about them? I could be wrong?
logicgate
I use it to test my DIY stuff and it works fine:




You can think it's "sluggish" on the video, but only because of the time division setting, which you can adjust to taste.
Flipster
Nano ARM DSO201

They have them really cheap at Amazon. I might go for it.
I just didn't find any info on the plugs...
Can I just use a Doepfer cable on this one or will I need an adaptor or something?
Zodanga
Any news on the MK II ...?
0netwo0netwo
not yet

either people dont care anymore because its been soo long

or theyre laying in the bushes or have an inside source

still waiting here

i dont understand what the hold up is
Manzanedo


I was waiting so long I had to mod this to get into my skiff!
hihi
Daisuk
Not as good, obviously, but if you're desperate ...

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/elby-designs-panther-ed701-miniscope
Matos
Those who give the least,
Expect the most.
Guinness ftw!
exper
Matos wrote:
Those who give the least,
Expect the most.
Guinness ftw!


Mmm... So true. I'm excited for this as well, but we need to keep in mind that Dave has not only this but an entire line of video modules that he's designing, let alone all of the troubleshooting/manufacturing/designing that goes into revising something like this. Remember, he didn't simply take an existing scope and repackage it like Addac or elby did. This one is much more focused on use within the modular environment and looks great to boot.
bobbcorr
exper wrote:
Mmm... So true. I'm excited for this as well, but we need to keep in mind that Dave has not only this but an entire line of video modules that he's designing, let alone all of the troubleshooting / manufacturing / designing that goes into revising something like this.


+100. As a (former) product manager and (current) operations guy, I have both great sympathy and admiration for Dave. Right now the word "no" is probably his best friend - saying no to feature creep, to going to market too early, these are hard things. I've waited a while, I can wait some more.
Dcramer
whistlin' I'm still waiting too!
wsy
There is another solution. Not as small, or perhaps as elegant, but more full-featured.

As to the AD converter, an AD9201 will set you back ten dollars and change at DigiKey, and it's a current-production device
from Analog Devices. 10 bits x 2 channels at 20 MHz, which is overkill for this application (but it means we can do a "freebie" software-defined radio to
tune AM stations if we want to. I say "what the hell, go for it!"). It can run at 2.7 to 5.5 volts so it's pretty much "anything goes".

Then the processor- for ease, pick from plug-and-play options: Arduino Mega/Due, Raspberry Pi, or Beaglebone Black. Mega
is maybe not fast enough (20 MHz), Due is more than fast enough (80 MHz, 3.3V) and Raspberry / Beaglebone are way more than
enough (>1 GHz).... so maybe the choice/availability of the display will be the driving factor.

All three options will cost you under $40 for the CPU on a card, $40 for the display, and so all you need to do is build the AD card
(which will need input protections, make no mistake about that) and encoder knobs/function switches, and then you're good to go.

Why haven't I done this? Because:

    seriously, i just don't get it I'm up to my alligators in 'scopes already
    eek! This would be a big module no matter what - 12 to 15 HP in Eurorack or at least 2 MUs wide
    zombie I'm out of space in my racks


although you could put a lot of more functionality into it if you did it on the Beaglebone, like full AMS with it's sequencers and vocoder, or an agile tuner for AM, and all that.

- Bill
Kummer
We are all waiting. I just hope he makes enough because they are going to sell like hot cakes.
vanderLooy
+1

also would like to have one SlayerBadger!
RMNC
I want to urge that whenever the successor to the O'tool arrives, it should have the capability to read the Doepfer bus +/-12V +5V power to a few decimal places. I noticed the little Division 6 VM does this and think it's a jolly good idea considering I can hear the difference when my A-100PMS12 is fully vs partially loaded. IANAEE, hopefully no tricky isolation issues...
SpecG
+1 eyes...
echochorus
Kummer wrote:
We are all waiting. I just hope he makes enough because they are going to sell like hot cakes.


Exactly!
icenine
Has anyone heard of any updates? I'm certainly in the market for a module such as this.
0netwo0netwo
there is one for auction on ebay, but i believe its going to get out of hand

heres the link if youd care to partake

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121750345338?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPa geName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

ive been communicating with Dave and he indeed said the new one will be a new version of the O Tool he didnt give any specifics but he said

" The original version is out of production.

This will be the "O'Tool Plus". It is an improved version with much better
accuracy, stability, and a few new features."

im thinking Oct - Nov
StanleyHiller
man, $355 and it still has over a day left. Yeah, I'm definitely interested in getting my hands on one of these too, but not for 400+ dollars. Especially when I've already got a Boss TU-2 and a close friend with an oscilloscope.

Looking forward to the "Plus" version
Flipster
Yes, this will be way to expensive in the end.
I think I wrote some messages with Dave about a year ago and he stated much the same about it. And no matter who you hear from it's always about two months until the new version should be ready. By now I kind of gave up.

Also this (see below) just popped up on Modular Grid which could do the same. It's twice as big and in prototype status BUT I will definitely get it if it's going to be released earlier to the new O'Tool!

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/other-unknown-mordax-data-prototype
suckspit
bfessler wrote:

Getting close to pre-order time! We tested the machining of the display window today; very tight and flush fit.

It's peanut butter jelly time!




this was just posted on the mordax thread, btw.
Flipster
Yes Miley Cyrus
0netwo0netwo
i dont have enough room for that lol
sinemod
Update ????
vintagesynthlab
Also wondering if there is any update on the availability of this module?
Kummer
I really hope this is still happening.
msun
I'm looking for one of these too. It's the best idea put the oscilloscope right in the rack - brilliant.
FatRocky
angry hey , where´s the new thing?
Plumbstone
Does anyone know where we will order this from when it finally arrives? There doesn't seem to be any sort of link to either suppliers or an on-line store on the website?
silkynight
i keep lighting the little lanterns every sunday. Join the cult we're not worthy we're not worthy
Funky40
is Dave doing fine ?
i wonder about all that delay.........
0netwo0netwo
lets all chant Dave's name


Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave

It's peanut butter jelly time! It's peanut butter jelly time! It's peanut butter jelly time! It's peanut butter jelly time!

hope all is good Dave

when we gonna get to see the new TOOLS!!?


Dead Banana
metaBit
Was really hoping to get a v2 for Christmas. Please Santa? Anyone heard any news on this lately?
strawberry
I need all the help I can get, so please hurry thumbs up
fringe
Ahhhhh, where?? help
estin
i'm watching this too, totally missed the Mordax pre-order window and really wanting a rack mounted scope. screaming goo yo
337is
Just noticed this in another thread:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2100283&highlight=#2 100283

metaBit: "Desperately hoping that the Dave Jone's O'Tool+ comes out early in 2016."

daverj: "It will. I just finished tweaking the frequency meter/tuner section so that it now tracks my precision 8 digit frequency meter within +/-0.0002% all the way from 1/2 Hz to 100KHz (with no temperature drift). Still have lots more to do, but it's coming!!!"
happyham
can we pre-order this bad boy, or should we mostly keep on the lookout for (here in Europe) places like Schneiders?
Daisuk
Escape From Noise has one up for sale now (used one) at a good price. Someone get it before it's gone! wink

http://escapefromnoise.com/begagnat/begagnad-dave-jones-otool/
happyham
thanks, but just missed it!
Multi Grooves
...this is like Rosewell, lol.
0netwo0netwo
news is stirring SlayerBadger!
digidandy
Schneider already has it up for preorder:

http://www.schneidersladen.de/de/dave-jones-design-o-tool-oscilloscope .html
0netwo0netwo
none of the new info yet though, excited for the official announcement

Rockin' Banana!
337is
Rumblings from this facebook page today:

http://www.facebook.com/EquinoxOzShop/?fref=nf

Quote:
Equinoxoz Music Solutions: A new batch of David Jones O'tool modules! Get in touch if you would like to secure yours.

Dan: What's the damage on these ones?

Equinoxoz Music Solutions. Hi Dan, $479 inc GST and Shipping. Cheers.
milkyjoe
So it costs twice as much(as first version) for what exactly ? I am not seeing any new pics or info..
Kummer
I hope that price is in Australian Dollars....
337is
Kummer wrote:
I hope that price is in Australian Dollars....


I think it is, as all the prices on their website are, and it's got a tax specific to Australia in it as well.
0netwo0netwo
they also posted some info

anyone who has the original version can confirm theres some differences here??

"Info on the new PLUS version >>>
The O'Tool Plus from Dave Jones Design is an oscilloscope
and set of visual audio tools. It is an improved version
of the original O'Tool module. It includes:

- Single channel oscilloscope
- Dual channel oscilloscope
- 3D oscilloscope
- X/Y display
- Level meter
- VU meter
- Peak meter
- Voltmeter (with p-p and average DC)
- Frequency meter
- Tuner (guitar tuner style)
- Linear spectrum analyzer
- Log spectrum analyzer
- Spectrogram
- BPM meter
- Metromome

It includes user configurable settings and can remember
settings at power up for three users. That means you can
have different settings for home, studio, and performances,
or any three different sets of settings.

It is temperature stable and extremely accurate. It can
monitor two signals, with inputs looped through to other
modules. The scope modes include an external trigger option.

It is firmware upgradable. It has a jumper for internal
or external 5 volt source. It has an expansion connector
for possible future add-on modules.

Power requirements:

80ma +12v
22ma -12v

-or-

12ma +12v
70ma +5v
22ma -12v

Width: 8HP
Depth: 40mm"
acidbob
HOT DAMN!!! Nice specs and features, no wonder it took time
m03
Are they going to be offering standard and plus versions, or is the plus just the successor to the original?
Leverkusen
On the homepage it's not called PLUS so I would expect it to be just one version. It's quite not so expensive too and nicely small so I cannot imagine what a minus version should be like.

I am just wondering what this is about from the description:

Quote:
...the frequency meter, tuner and voltmeter were all added (based on potential user feedback) after the hardware had already been built. So those modes do not have the accuracy or temperature stability that other devices like them would have (or that this would have had if those modes had been designed in when the hardware was designed). Those modes do not have the absolute accuracy of external dedicated devices, but they are accurate relative to the two inputs. So they are fine for tuning two oscillators to each other, or two voltages to each other. They just might be off a bit compared to an external tuner or voltmeter.


How much of a bit might they be off compared to external devices?
realitycontrol
Those specs are whetting my appetite!
m03
337is wrote:
Kummer wrote:
I hope that price is in Australian Dollars....


I think it is, as all the prices on their website are, and it's got a tax specific to Australia in it as well.


Works out to about $350 USD, which seems reasonable given the feature set.
Starkström
Leverkusen wrote:
On the homepage it's not called PLUS so I would expect it to be just one version. It's quite not so expensive too and nicely small so I cannot imagine what a minus version should be like.

I am just wondering what this is about from the description:

Quote:
...the frequency meter, tuner and voltmeter were all added (based on potential user feedback) after the hardware had already been built. So those modes do not have the accuracy or temperature stability that other devices like them would have (or that this would have had if those modes had been designed in when the hardware was designed). Those modes do not have the absolute accuracy of external dedicated devices, but they are accurate relative to the two inputs. So they are fine for tuning two oscillators to each other, or two voltages to each other. They just might be off a bit compared to an external tuner or voltmeter.


How much of a bit might they be off compared to external devices?


FYI: These are all posts from about 2012 for the original O'Tool. The website hasn't been updated since.
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Leverkusen
Oh, I realised that it looks pretty much the same as the old one but linked there from the facebook anouncement above and found the headline "o'tool now shipping". hihi



EDIT: wow, five posts in 2 years - you only speak up when it's really important, do you? eek!
strangegravity
unobtanium!
Starkström
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EDIT: wow, five posts in 2 years - you only speak up when it's really important, do you? eek!
Yeah, I guess I like patching more than posting. hmmm..... Nevertheless I was curious and checked this thread due to a similar announcement at Schneidersladen yesterday. Only there it is called O'Tools Plus and I was wondering about the 'plus thingy'. Somewhere in this thread it was mentioned by the maker himself that the original O'Tool had to be discontinued due to the display going out of production. So it stands to reason that if there is a new release some features odd to change.

BTW.: In case there is actually a rerelease of the original. Nothing to worry. I own the original O'Tool. It's great, albeit the metering functions maybe off by a tiny fraction compared to a high end external scope - something in the range of the second digit after the decimal point. So for all intend and purpose it works perfectly fine in the modular rack context.
kjellb
This is a new release.
eatmykids
the wait could be almost over,this just got posted to the grid
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/dave-jones-design-o-tool-plus
Paranormal Patroler
Hmm should I sell my old one and get in on the craze ? razz
strangegravity
Starkström wrote:
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EDIT: wow, five posts in 2 years - you only speak up when it's really important, do you? eek!
Yeah, I guess I like patching more than posting.


If I could bring my modular to my day job you wouldn't hear from me either.

I hope they make more than 100 of these. I sure would like one.
exper
@PP

Better hurry. The value has dropped a lot. They were going for nearly $500, as much as $600. Last one I saw was only $350.
0netwo0netwo
got an email from Foxtone, they have some for pre order if you guys need one

https://foxtonemusic.com/shop/modular/eurorack/dave-jones-design-o-too l-plus/
Paranormal Patroler
exper wrote:
@PP

Better hurry. The value has dropped a lot. They were going for nearly $500, as much as $600. Last one I saw was only $350.


I wouldn't dare make a profit, that's a bit absurd. Just looking to get the cash to get in on the new action, but then I guess it's probably too much hassle and everyone will prefer the new version. So seriously, i just don't get it let the new kids get the shinny ones; it looks great though! I'm positive the work behind it was worth the time.
chrisharrisx
0netwo0netwo wrote:
got an email from Foxtone, they have some for pre order if you guys need one

https://foxtonemusic.com/shop/modular/eurorack/dave-jones-design-o-too l-plus/


@OnetwoOnetwo, thanks for this - I was starting to worry there wouldn't be any US shops carrying it! Ordered! w00t
0netwo0netwo
word wiggle on young wiggler!

im pretty sure you can order one from J at control voltage in Portland as well
daverj
There's a list of dealers in the second post of the announcement thread:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=161254
exper
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
exper wrote:
@PP

Better hurry. The value has dropped a lot. They were going for nearly $500, as much as $600. Last one I saw was only $350.


I wouldn't dare make a profit, that's a bit absurd. Just looking to get the cash to get in on the new action, but then I guess it's probably too much hassle and everyone will prefer the new version. So seriously, i just don't get it let the new kids get the shinny ones; it looks great though! I'm positive the work behind it was worth the time.


Nah I'm sure a lot of people will still want the old version. It works great and looks great. I sold mine a long time ago and yes, it went for a lot. At the time I fully planned to keep the money for the new one. That came and went but surprise surprise, I just placed a preorder anyway. Couldn't resist. smile

I tried a little pocket scope but it just was way too user UNfriendly. And only a single trace.
needspeed
Big City Music has them in stock as of today just ordered one and I am very excited........Steve
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