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Post by laserpalace » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:01 am

I just swapped my Euro for 2 300 Series panels, The Dual Borg & Waveform City! Should be here on Friday :party:

After reading through Grant's philosophy, manuals, and patch sheets I realized that the 300 series is everything I've been looking for in a synthesizer or any instrument. It's been a long time coming, nearly 10+ years to get my current setup, 4 of which have been in the modular realm. I'm hoping to contribute to the Wiard community with ideas for patches, demo's etc. in the coming weeks. My plan is to have a 7 panel system when all is said and done.

That being said I'm wondering if anyone has had any experience with Triggering/Syncing Roland TR machines with the 300 series. I currently have an 808 that I will be using. The trigger outs are 15 Volts / 20 Millisecond Pulses, I'm assuming no harm will come from triggering the envelopes or filters on the aforementioned modules. Never had an issue with my Euro, but I typically ran the triggers through attenuators before hitting the envelopes.

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Post by slow_riot » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:12 am

There is a note in the Wiard Yahoo group archives about the 300 series being TTL compatible which I believe makes use with Roland Drum machines possible.

15v is higher than anything else in the system, so it might be worth getting an official yes or no from Cary or Grant.

I also recently found out about Mark Verbos doing some work with Grant, and in an interview on Waveform City mentioned that he helped Grant to make the 300 series more techno friendly.

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Post by laserpalace » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:21 am

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Thanks. I've been going through the archives over the past week or so, i'll do a search. Thanks for the heads up on the Verbos interview. Listening to it now!

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Post by laserpalace » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:24 am

From the Yahoo forum via Grant:
The "Attack-Release" generator on the Classic VCO and Waveform City is a hybrid of an envelope follower and an envelope generator. If a gate is just a step function, 0 to 10 volts and back to 0 again. Then by slew rate processing that signal, it will naturally make an attack release envelope.

To make an envelope follower, you need something to remove the negative portions of the analog audio, otherwise that average of the + and - is zero.

The Gate input has a current limiting resistor and a 10 volt zener diode at the input. When processing a normal 10 volte gate, the device is not even activated.

When processing audio, it removes the negative portions of the audio signal, in what is called "have wave" rectification. Not an ideal envelope follower, but a usable one essentially for free.

In you case of a 15 volt gate signal, it will "chop off" (limit) the signal to 10 volts, and the output envelope will be 10 volts, just what you want. There should be no problem using the 15 volt gate signal, it will be converted safely to a 10 volt envelope.

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Post by Babaluma » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:28 am

can anyone post a link to that interview?

if i get into modular again it'll be serge or wiard. probably wiard now that they are being made in the EU!

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Post by laserpalace » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:28 am


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Post by Babaluma » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:38 am

thanks dude!

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Post by chamomileshark » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:57 am

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Post by Roycie Roller » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:41 am

laserpalace wrote:I'm wondering if anyone has had any experience with Triggering/Syncing Roland TR machines with the 300 series. I currently have an 808 that I will be using. The trigger outs are 15 Volts / 20 Millisecond Pulses, I'm assuming no harm will come from triggering the envelopes or filters on the aforementioned modules. Never had an issue with my Euro, but I typically ran the triggers through attenuators before hitting the envelopes.

I think you'll be right. I once asked Grant about plugging the 300 into an amplifier & he warned that the Mixolator can go 20v peak-to-peak and will easily damage a guitar amplifier. He went on to describe how the Mixolator could also be used as a kind of telephone exchange and that with the right listening equipment, it was possible hear a coversation over several hundred metres of cable :omg:

So i think the Envelator should be able to deal with that kind of range, although is 20vpp the same as -10 volts through to +10 volts? :hmm:

Not not the same thing of course, but i used to sequence my 300 with an MC-202. The 2 cv outputs of the 202 allows you to make duophonic melodies. I normally ran them into the 1v/oct inputs of the 300 VCo and the Waveform City & then cross-synched both VCO's via the Mixolator, which i used to 'tune' the melodies. Then you also can make sub-melodies form there with the x1, x2, and y outputs, so things can get pretty complex and interesting. If you have a 202, try it- i thought it was great with the 300, especially at slower bpm's (which means there's lots of room to use cv's for effects, in-between steps)..


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Post by laserpalace » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:49 am

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Thank you!

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Thanks for the information. I think based on this, I should be safe :
In you(r) case of a 15 volt gate signal, it will "chop off" (limit) the signal to 10 volts, and the output envelope will be 10 volts, just what you want. There should be no problem using the 15 volt gate signal, it will be converted safely to a 10 volt envelope.
I appreciate your advice on the Envelator though. That will probably be my next purchase along with a Classic VCO, although you have my mind racing about the Mixolator! I can't imagine how powerful 4 or 5 modules can be, let alone 7! I've wanted an MC-202 for a while now, but could never make the commitment.

So when performing/recording your 300 system do you usually run it through a limiter or compressor? Or is it just the case of guitar amplification? I've only ran through PA's when performing and my DAW when recording using Euro. The signal is HOT! but can be tamed.

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Post by chamomileshark » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:16 am

I put mine through a simple mixer - a second hand Mackie 1604. It's an old habit.
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Post by Roycie Roller » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:03 am

laserpalace wrote:
So when performing/recording your 300 system do you usually run it through a limiter or compressor? Or is it just the case of guitar amplification? I've only ran through PA's when performing and my DAW when recording using Euro. The signal is HOT! but can be tamed.


I use a 4 channel CGS d.c mixer to mix the audio, and the output on it is attenuated. I've got one of those dual 1/4" adapters permanently stuck in the output jack, so i can send one side to my amp's bass input (for monitoring), and the other to my laptop's line in jack (for recording).
I don't have an audio interface, but the sound quality is fine.

4 channels is a bit limited though- 20 or 30 channels would be ideal, because there are so many audio sources in the modules.
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Post by laserpalace » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:20 am

Officially a part of the team! :party: Now to get over that learning curve... :love:

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Post by Babaluma » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:25 am

beautiful, i am very jealous!

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Post by thesnow » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:58 pm

laserpalace wrote:Officially a part of the team! :party: Now to get over that learning curve... :love:
Congrats. Was just wondering, did you buy those new or second hand?

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Post by rico loverde » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:00 pm

laserpalace wrote:Officially a part of the team! :party: Now to get over that learning curve... :love:

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Post by laserpalace » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:27 pm

Babaluma, rico loverde

Thanks guys! I am floored by the capabilities of these two modules. The timbre/textures that can be achieved are incredible. Never heard anything like it before.

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I purchased them used from Metalbox, who has been great to deal with!

Here's a simple recording I did using a VOS sequencer to control pitch and gate the envelope. The envelope is cycling through the bank and wave's as well as triggering the Borgs ran in parallel BP mode. LFO2 is ran at audio rate for a secondary voice. I'm in love with this modular! More to come!

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Post by rico loverde » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:33 pm

very nice!!! the Wiard stuff is just so amazing. looking forward to hearing more from ya. i need to spend more time with mine and record some stuff, too much work not enough Wiard.
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Post by thesnow » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:06 pm

laserpalace wrote:
Here's a simple recording I did using a VOS sequencer to control pitch and gate the envelope. The envelope is cycling through the bank and wave's as well as triggering the Borgs ran in parallel BP mode. LFO2 is ran at audio rate for a secondary voice. I'm in love with this modular! More to come!

http://soundcloud.com/thug-entrancer/wi ... st/s-P5Qqu
Sounds lovely!

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Post by causticlogic » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:03 pm

And another!
I got my Borg and a PSU yesterday from a friend. I've had a Wogglebug for months and it's just been sitting there mocking me.
Getting a power supply and seeing everything come to life has certainly been an experience!!
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Post by rico loverde » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:17 pm

its rad theres been a new group of us getting into Wiard 300. Its been my dream synth for so long I'm still blown away its happening. I think we should do a Wiard comp much like the Serge guys did....
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Post by stin-g » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:43 pm

It makes me smile you just got the Waveform City and Borg filters in particular Laserpalace! I just got those same two modules - Weee lets have a party! I have a power supply on the way... oooooh I can't wait to get into em! Such amazing instruments.

If there was a fire in my house I'd run in to get a few family heirlooms and my 300 system first. :hihi:

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Post by laserpalace » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:11 pm

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YES. Seriously let's do a Wiard 300 Comp. I think it would be a great way to demonstrate the variety and richness that the 300 series offers. Just today I managed a Sidrassi influenced patch. To my ears, it sounded just like my Sidrassi! Who's in? I would love to help compile/make this happen.

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I think they are the perfect introduction to the format! You know today as I smelled something burning from the downstairs apartment I thought, okay I'll grab the dogs, the 808 and the Wiard! :lol:

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Post by kuxaan-sum » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:20 pm

Congrats laserpalace,
300 series is what made me want a modular.

Hope to own 3 or 4 panels myself some glorious day.
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