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Potential of The Harvestman Transcontinental Rails for 200e
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Author Potential of The Harvestman Transcontinental Rails for 200e
ndkent
I think the point being made that one of the reasons Buchla's audio is miniplugs and CV bananas is, unlike say Serge, the audio is at a very different level than the CV... and the CV is not bipolar in terms of range. That's something not addressed here.

So really, while this is more efficient than using an attenuator to get 1.2 down to 1.0 and a stock CV mixer to add a 20% attenuated signal onto a 100% signal to get 1.2v you are only getting a partial solution in a module.
Not that I wouldn't get one if offered.

Oh and I also don't get why Volta would change a big picture rather than merely augment things a little in this case. I mean the 200e could always operate over MIDI for better or worse and Volta is a potentially valuable additional CV generator & DAW link but has limited potential when you want to connect a module to another module
Lyonel
2012 wrote:
Its when patching 200e with non-200e systems


I see ; But what about pure CV, for example, two 281e pulses perfectly sync = 20V short spike ;
Or multi 261e Modulation CV's merged with crests quite over 10V... any danger here ?
Forgive please, what must be very newbee inquiry. hmmm.....
cbm
Lyonel wrote:
But what about pure CV, for example, two 281e pulses perfectly sync = 20V short spike

You will never get beyond the rails of the op-amps used, which in the Buchla is +/- 15 V.

Further, if you are combining 281e pulses by stacking the outputs together, you will only get the largest pulse at a time. The pulse outputs on the Buchla system are isolated by a diode, so all the pulses can "pile on" in a "wire or."

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Or multi 261e Modulation CV's merged with crests quite over 10V... any danger here ?

Not for a well designed module.

- C
Lyonel
cbm wrote:
Lyonel wrote:
But what about pure CV, for example, two 281e pulses perfectly sync = 20V short spike

You will never get beyond the rails of the op-amps used, which in the Buchla is +/- 15 V.

Further, if you are combining 281e pulses by stacking the outputs together, you will only get the largest pulse at a time. The pulse outputs on the Buchla system are isolated by a diode, so all the pulses can "pile on" in a "wire or."

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Or multi 261e Modulation CV's merged with crests quite over 10V... any danger here ?

Not for a well designed module.

- C

thumbs up
science
kkonkkrete wrote:
Is it just me, or is the idea of getting a handful of Buchla modules to wire into the spider's web that is a typical Euro system somewhat missing the point of the 200e?

I think half the beauty of the Electronic Music Box concept is that it is a self contained instrument.

I agree to an extent, but there are definitely a few modules out in the world of euro that I would like to be able to integrate with my 200e system when it arrives. If a module like this didn't come around, chances are I'd just end up selling my whole euro system for more Buchla modules not too far down the road.

I see this no differently than I see modules like the ZOe being produced for the 200e. It would be great to be able to use modules like the upcoming Hertz Donut and Piston Honda with the 200e... and I can't say I'd be disappointed about having some cheaper oscillators available to me, either.

All personal preference I guess.
prscrptn
I have never felt limited by the 200e, but incorporating modules from Harvestman or Livewire would be great!
citizen mori
cbm wrote:
You will never get beyond the rails of the op-amps used, which in the Buchla is +/- 15 V.

Further, if you are combining 281e pulses by stacking the outputs together, you will only get the largest pulse at a time. The pulse outputs on the Buchla system are isolated by a diode, so all the pulses can "pile on" in a "wire or."

- C


i should have elaborated, but chris is as usual dead on here.

within the 200e it is not an issue, as the system is designed to manage this well. it is specifically the issue of foreign devices which may have voltage limits far exceeding the e-series psu. a +17v trigger can kill an e-series module (this is speaking from experience).

within the e-series you are free to stack and mix to your heart's content.

insofar as conversion of voltages, it is about elegance, easy workflow without fuss- most euro envelopes are 0-8v, this will not kick open a 292e fully. euro triggers are not mixed trigger+gate as in the e-series, so this needs to be provided. there are other nuances as well...

2012 wrote:
But the problem ist that u could get interesting results by feedbacking on the 200e self like feeding the output from one filter into his own or another cv input for example,thats not possible due to the differend cv/audio connections used in the system,so an adapter panel could resolve this.

an adapter panel that does the conversion + cv limitting & canceling DC spikes would be ideal to extend sounddesign on a 200e on his own and interconected with other diy or retail modules.


unnecessary, for the reasons chris described, and, because of the thoughtful design of the instrument: the 291e offers both banana and minijack modulation inputs. the modulation oscillators on both 259e and 261e provide both minijack and banana outputs.
citizen mori
kkonkkrete wrote:
Is it just me, or is the idea of getting a handful of Buchla modules to wire into the spider's web that is a typical Euro system somewhat missing the point of the 200e?

I think half the beauty of the Electronic Music Box concept is that it is a self contained instrument.


the buchla instruments and studio systems have always been designed with other equipment and instrumentation in mind. early systems had facilities for interaction with tape machines, there has always been envelope followers present (130, 208, 227e, 230, 227e) and even more sophisticated devices such as the 232 and the sili-con... the 225e devotes most of itself to midi input!
2012
citizen mori wrote:
2012 wrote:
But the problem ist blah,blah,blatterblah..


unnecessary, for the reasons chris described, and, because of the thoughtful design of the instrument: the 291e offers both banana and minijack modulation inputs. the modulation oscillators on both 259e and 261e provide both minijack and banana outputs.


Ow.thanks for the info that is great news,i most have overlook that when analizing 200e pics,din't see it on the filter. thumbs up
cbm
2012 wrote:
thanks for the info that is great news,i most have overlook that when analizing 200e pics,din't see it on the filter. thumbs up

The audio rate modulation section on the filter is surprisingly deep. For each filter, for each step, you can set modulation destination and amount.
2012
o cool,10x Chris!
NV
kkonkkrete wrote:
Is it just me, or is the idea of getting a handful of Buchla modules to wire into the spider's web that is a typical Euro system somewhat missing the point of the 200e?

I think half the beauty of the Electronic Music Box concept is that it is a self contained instrument.


I suppose that's one way to look at it, but I think a closed system view does little more than impose artificial restrictions upon the possibilities of the instrument. I think there is beauty behind the fact that a guitar can be played by itself and produce an entire song, but that doesn't mean that I see some sort of puritanical issue with running it through an amplifier or effects to achieve unique timbres.

As comprehensive and capable as a 200e system is, there are still modules out there that you cannot replicate within a 200e system as of yet. I see no problem with a 200e user wishing to incorporate the positive aspects of others systems into their 200e system, nor do I see any issue with a person who already owns a modular synthesizer in a different format wishing to incorporate it with their 200e to create an even more flexible and capable instrument on both sides.
ndkent
I personally feel there is nothing wrong with wanting to integrate other gear. I guess the point a lot of people are chiming in about is some people seem to take this as some sort of key to connect up everything, like you couldn't do it until this comes out, if it comes out.

What you really have is what's probably a good tool to make some things easier than prior solutions and leave some things unsolved.
science
I take it as a way to simplify connecting everything.
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