RE-201 tape?

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Post by b3nsf » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:12 pm

damn 70 buxx, shit we get one and mail it back n forth for whoever needs it 8_)
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Post by tragedybysyntax » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:18 pm

really? someone would let me use it for a few minutes and send it back same day? UPS? I would love whoever would send me one to use! :)
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Post by consumed » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:26 pm

at the moment i decided on the han-d-mag, i happened to find one locally on craigslist!

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Post by tragedybysyntax » Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:49 am

OKay so... the delay sounds clean and nice now! BUT! I cant get that long of a tail at the end of the delay...fades too quick. and no oscillation. however... that was just the modular going in and at like 9 o'clock it was red in the VU. Damn u modular levels....lol. So i'll try it tonight attn'd to see if I can get the gain volume around 12 -3 o'clock... it might drive harder to get longer delay and then inevitably into oscillation. WE'LL SEE!
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Post by b3nsf » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:11 am

my guess is you'll have to turn way down the input level until it no longer pegs the red, then crank the echo level and repeats all the way up then down to suit your tastes, crank the 201's channel on your mixer... my 201 doesn't work on certain settings on the big dial...could this be a busted head? :bang:
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Post by consumed » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:31 am

my 201 is very sensitive to input levels. i usually cant turn the input up past 9oclock for the modular

if some mode settings dont work for you ben, something is not right. which ones dont work?

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Post by b3nsf » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:37 am

I'm not in front of the 201 right now, but I'll describe the problem

well the knob is divided into sections, and the same setting in each section doesn't work, which leads me to believe its a head prob. for example:

section 1 - echo only
1 works
2 works
3 >>>no work<<<
4 works

section 2 - echo and spring verb
5 works
6 works
7 >>>no work<<<
8 works

and so on...... :despair:
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Post by chromium » Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:09 pm

b3nsf wrote:I'm not in front of the 201 right now, but I'll describe the problem

well the knob is divided into sections, and the same setting in each section doesn't work, which leads me to believe its a head prob. for example:

section 1 - echo only
1 works
2 works
3 >>>no work<<<
4 works

section 2 - echo and spring verb
5 works
6 works
7 >>>no work<<<
8 works

and so on...... :despair:
There might be a prob with the third playback head, labeled as "PB-3" in this pic:

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The mode selector positions engage the heads as follows:
1. PB-1
2. PB-2
3. PB-3
4. PB-2 and PB-3
5. PB-1 w/reverb
6. PB-2 w/reverb
7. PB-3 w/reverb
8. PB-1 and PB-2 w/reverb
9. PB-2 and PB-3 w/reverb
10. PB-1 and PB-3 w/reverb
11. PB-1, PB-2 and PB-3 w/reverb


Settings 3 and 7 play off head #3 only, so there might be a problem with that head if you don't get output on those settings.

On positions 4, 9, and 10 you should be hearing two distinct echos in the pattern, and three distinct echos on position 11 - if head #3 is working.

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Post by xpander » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:20 am

hmm... i think i paid about $12 for my demag wand.

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Post by tragedybysyntax » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:25 pm

So i got it sounding really nice actually. Only bitch is I can really hear the splice. It gets REALLY warbly for a second when it goes around that bearing on the last roller before entering the hallway of tape heads. I might have used too much tape (too much before and after the splice) so I'll go make a new one and see what I can do. I've got her oscillating too. :)
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Post by panda30y » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:43 pm

tragedybysyntax wrote:So i got it sounding really nice actually. Only bitch is I can really hear the splice. It gets REALLY warbly for a second when it goes around that bearing on the last roller before entering the hallway of tape heads. I might have used too much tape (too much before and after the splice) so I'll go make a new one and see what I can do. I've got her oscillating too. :)
You only need one small piece of tape. I assume you've taped the back and not the magnetic side, the cut is clean and the two ends are perfectly symetrical? Otherwise I can't really think of why you would have an issue.

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Post by tragedybysyntax » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:00 pm

well i think it's snaggin barely on that last roller because the tape I cut is prolly over 2 inches wide. Too wide I think. We'll see tonight. :)
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Post by Babaluma » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:52 pm

yeah it takes a few practice runs to get the splice sounding ok, and i never got rid of a slight change in warble completely, as the splice rolled by.

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Post by panda30y » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:22 pm

I'll ask my boss about tape splicing tomorrow. He does it seemingly on a daily basis, so he should he might have some nice tips to pass along.

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Post by haiku-ish » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:21 am

you need an "amagnetic" scissor
for best cut.

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Post by haiku-ish » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:24 am

i think you can find stuff here

http://www.elison.biz/fournitu.htm

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Post by tragedybysyntax » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:59 am

babaluma.... how come you sold your 201 bud?
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Post by panda30y » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:08 pm

Well I talked to my boss about a clean splice, and he said the biggest factor might just be that the roland space echo transport is just not very good. But aside from that, he couldn't really offer and mind blowing tips as I was hoping he might have aside from practice makes perfect. :despair:

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Post by xpander » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:18 pm

did you splice on an editing block?

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Post by tragedybysyntax » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:45 pm

no... overlapped the tape ends, made a 45 degree cut. lined them up perfectly and put a piece of tape behind it on the shiny side, trimmed the excess overhanging tape and WALAH.
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Post by panda30y » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:03 pm

oh... i think the editing block would help alot though it might not be worthwhile to invest in one.

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Post by tragedybysyntax » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:16 pm

like i said tho.... you didnt hear a click or anything when the splice went THRU the hallway of heads. It was warbling right at that bearing roller before entering. almost like it slightly got snagged going around the shaft. I"ll redo it tonight and let you guys know in the morning.
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Post by xpander » Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:52 pm

or just keep it f-d up for its grit.

i do love my 201 dearly...
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Post by Chuck E. Jesus » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:31 pm

tragedybysyntax wrote:like i said tho.... you didnt hear a click or anything when the splice went THRU the hallway of heads. It was warbling right at that bearing roller before entering. almost like it slightly got snagged going around the shaft. I"ll redo it tonight and let you guys know in the morning.
did you use splicing tape? regular tape is thicker and could have trouble going through the pinch rollers...

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Post by Babaluma » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:39 pm

tragedybysyntax wrote:babaluma.... how come you sold your 201 bud?
it was around the time i was switching from keyboards and complete synths to going fully modular. i had an ms-20 and an re-201 and gradually replaced the functionality with frac rack modules, so sold them. got a pair of blacet time machines instead (which i still have and love to bits). by feeding the time machines a slewed random cv into their delay time inputs, you can kind of emulate the the tape wobble/wow and flutter (i use a psycho lfo), but it's not the same.

i also got sick of the amount of maintenance required, and the size and weight of the thing.

the re-201 had a very distinct sound though, and i do miss that.

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