To drive a Mini Wave...

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To drive a Mini Wave...

Post by Exuviae » Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:10 pm

Hello All-

I am ready to pull the trigger on a Blacet Mini Wave, but have questions about the "needed" oscillator to drive it.

I've read that you must use a Sawtooth VCO to drive it...but I am wondering if there are other ways to effectively get it to make sound as well. Blacet LFOs, S/H or Quantized out from an Imp Drive...Filthy Filtre set to self-oscillation, Binary Zone, etc.

Will Sine waves make it go? How about the CV out from a Delay Clock?

Lay it out for me, please.

Thanks!
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Post by consumed » Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:12 pm

you can drive the miniwave with whatever you'd like to drive it with. however, it seems to be best driven by a saw if you are using it like a digital oscillator. you can preamp an external signal and drive the MW with that even.

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Post by Exuviae » Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:14 pm

Yes, I found this video - where the BZ is hitting a Frostwave Resonator Filter, which is being used to drive the MW. Sounding kick ass - though the double YELLOW evilness at the end of the chain probably helps! ;-)


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... =firefox-a

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Post by DGTom » Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:22 pm

the miniwave would give the yellow evil plenty to chew on tho! :D

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Post by johnnymad » Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:33 pm

there's a thread somewhere on the forum about using the blacet eg-1 to drive a miniwave. i've tried it, and it's great!

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Post by plord » Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:35 pm

Robert Rich suggested, 1 or 2 AHCalifornia meetups ago, that driving a Miniwave with a pulse wave with mild PWM produced exceedingly interesting results, and that feeding that PWM wave through a filter whose resonance is also being VC'd added to the possible colors.

I am ashamed to admit that I have not exploited this information in the intervening time.

If you feed the MW a sine wave, some banks will work quite well, others not so well. The Socket Rocket ROM has all manner of MARF, Window Comparator, Bit decimation, and other assorted functions and is a kick ass chip to have at least one of for just this sort of mangling.

The Scale Quantizer doesn't care what you feed it.

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Post by Babaluma » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:09 pm

yeah if you want to use it as a digital oscillator/lfo you need a saw of the correct polarity (not sure which, check the manual, it's online at the blacet site) to get the waveforms as described in the eprom manuals. however driving it with anything is very fun, and the robert rich idea sounds great, gonna try that now!

another fun thing to try with the miniwave is feeding it a sine and modulating the amplitude of the sine beforehand (with a vca for example), very nice shifting timbres. i think this is the patch suggested for the non-linear transforms in the socket rocket manual.

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Post by panda30y » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:16 pm

I believe you want the saw wave to move from 0 to it's max amplitude before it drops back to 0. From what I understand wavetables reads through the samples as the amplitude increases in the waveform, and plays the samples accordingly based on where waveform's amplitude is. Hence why a saw wave is usually desired.

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Post by parasitk » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:40 pm

plord wrote:Robert Rich suggested, 1 or 2 AH California meetups ago, that driving a Miniwave with a pulse wave with mild PWM produced exceedingly interesting results, and that feeding that PWM wave through a filter whose resonance is also being VC'd added to the possible colors.
Oooh nice, I need to try this. :party:
Babaluma wrote:another fun thing to try with the miniwave is feeding it a sine and modulating the amplitude of the sine beforehand (with a vca for example), very nice shifting timbres. i think this is the patch suggested for the non-linear transforms in the socket rocket manual.
Yes it's an awesome digital waveshaper – I've gotten some tones that take me back to my Turbosynth days (still my favorite software waveshaper).

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Post by dkcg » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:06 pm

I love my miniwave. I use it is a quantizer about a 1/3 of the time, half the time I use it as an FM source, and the rest of the time I use it as a wavetable synth voice My favorite is an an FM source for the M15 or Zeroscillator (or any osc or filter), sequence the bank/waveform, and you got FM timbrel sweetness courtesy of the MW.

I like how it can be used for audio rate and control signals.

Only thing that could improve it is a simple way to upload your own waves to it. Some sort of ROM/midi or USB upload expander would be so sweet...

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Post by DGTom » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:15 pm

dkcg wrote:Only thing that could improve it is a simple way to upload your own waves to it. Some sort of ROM/midi or USB upload expander would be so sweet...
:nana: :goo:
this would be AMAZING!
on paper its a pretty easy process... on paper I could do it, in reality I'm 99% sure i would make fail 99% of the time :waah:

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Post by Muff Wiggler » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:25 pm

panda30y wrote:I believe you want the saw wave to move from 0 to it's max amplitude before it drops back to 0. From what I understand wavetables reads through the samples as the amplitude increases in the waveform, and plays the samples accordingly based on where waveform's amplitude is. Hence why a saw wave is usually desired.
this is correct. the MW needs a rising saw to act as a proper digital oscillator

however of course the other half of the fun is in using different sources to drive it.
Only thing that could improve it is a simple way to upload your own waves to it. Some sort of ROM/midi or USB upload expander would be so sweet...
well, the Wave.256 software that creates the ROM is free from Wiard. A ROM burner is only a couple hundred bucks, no? and blank ROM chips are....what? Very close to nothing.

So if you were inclined it wouldn't be too hard.... just that investment for a burner. I'm sure you could sell enough of your ROMs to offset that pretty quick!

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Post by Babaluma » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:26 pm

some really good examples of the amazing versatility of the miniwave in this thread. i need to go into the studio ad start playing with mine!

:mrgreen:

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Post by Muff Wiggler » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:32 pm

don't forget about clocking it REALLY slowly and using it as a source for slowly evolving CVs

clock it REALLY slowly with something other than a rising saw and then use it as a source for slowly evolving random-ish CVs

endless fun with miniwave :hail:

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Post by Exuviae » Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:39 am

wow...thanks a lot, guys! I'm glad I asked.

Can't wait to get one and try out some of these voodoo recipes.

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Post by electrik noize » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:12 am

I bought the miniwave specifically to use as a distortion device. i feed
everything into it, drums, gtr's etc. it will mangle the crap outta anything
:twisted: :sb:
the socket rocket rom was actually made for this very reason i believe, but
you can get really messed up results from the stock rom as well
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Post by zerosum » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:45 am

Exuviae wrote:Yes, I found this video - where the BZ is hitting a Frostwave Resonator Filter, which is being used to drive the MW. Sounding kick ass - though the double YELLOW evilness at the end of the chain probably helps! ;-)


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... =firefox-a
:sb: I made that video in summer 2007 when I was living in Minneapolis.
Thanks for watching.

It will respond to any waveform in many ways.
I enjoy running guitars through it, and other synths.
I am lucky enough to now own 2 miniwaves and highly recommend it :tu:
I want to have atleast 3, one for quantizing, one for waveshaping, and one for modulation shapes.

The Blacet EG-1 works well,
check it out:
viewtopic.php?t=4252&highlight=eg1+drive+miniwave

I love my miniwave(s), it was my reason for getting into modulars.

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Post by Exuviae » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:45 am

cool stuff! I ordered one and the socket rocket right after starting this post. I was almost going to get two, but a Wiggler was selling a Blacet VCO, so I grabbed that instead.

I will most likely get a second MW at some point and also possibly invest in the Hylander stuff to flesh out the ROM capabilities.

Thanks guys!

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Post by Exuviae » Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:39 am

well - got the MW built in record time and it works like a charm!

I now see what the deal is with using various waveforms to drive it - reacts very differently depending on what you shove into the input. I am glad I grabbed a true VCO to go with it, though, as using a Sawtooth to slave it is pure heaven!

The Socket Rocket was also a good choice to go in right out of the gate - lots of experimentation available and many hours of fun to be had!

Thanks again guys!

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Post by D/A A/D » Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:18 pm

I love the miniwave as a distortion module. But it has been making its way as an oscillator onto a TON of my tracks.

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Post by Kendall Station » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:41 pm

Exuviae-

Don't forget they are great cv generators when fed a low freq wave! Nice rollercoaster trips there.

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