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Serge Filters

Post by Old Age » Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:07 pm

I'm sure there is another thread on this, I just couldn't find it.

So I've been listening to Mr. Fullerton Whitman's "Multiples" a lot lately, and I have found myself in love with the filters on the serge he is using (especially on part 1). Which ones is he using? Are there any eurorack modules that are similar to these filters?

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Post by Arcade Sinusoid » Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:26 pm

Toppobrillo multifilter will get you pretty close.

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Post by Dofkev » Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:41 pm

The serge filters are amazing. You could buy (or build) this:
viewtopic.php?t=66885&highlight=msu

Old age: you are in st louis? Small town, who are you?

Or you could forget trying to copy serge and get this totally wonderful module of amazement:
http://www.serge-fans.com/m-class-multi-filter.cfm

Or a more practical suggestion: The ability to voltage control the Q is a big part of the serge filter sound. Intellijel's Dr. Octature does this pretty well, and it is an amazing DC voltage generator AND it responds to FM soooooooo well.

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Post by mhtones » Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:58 pm

As suggested above, try the multifilter. To be honest, I know these can't exactly replace real serge, but the maths, sport modulator and multifilter are giving me all kinds of serge-a-like fun in the euro-world. :banana:
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Post by Old Age » Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:13 am

Dofkev wrote: Old age: you are in st louis? Small town, who are you?

Or a more practical suggestion: The ability to voltage control the Q is a big part of the serge filter sound. Intellijel's Dr. Octature does this pretty well, and it is an amazing DC voltage generator AND it responds to FM soooooooo well.
I am from St. Louis (in the city), but I am going to school in Louisville, KY. I should probably add that. Speaking of which, if any of you know of people in the Louisville area on this forum let me know, so far I haven't been able to find anyone :sadbanana: . But yeah, I've seen Raglani, Kevin Harris, etc. do some modular shows and I really got into it. I've been a synth lover for a while, and this summer I finally decided to start a modular, and I'm looovin it.

Thanks for the advice. The multifilter and octature were definitely what I kind of had in mind. The DIY kit looks cool, and I would love to eventually build a serge-style system from elby. We will see!

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Post by Navs » Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:01 pm

The Toppobrillo is a very nice filter but it does not sound like a Serge.

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Post by Dofkev » Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:33 pm

Old Age wrote:
Dofkev wrote: Old age: you are in st louis? Small town, who are you?

Or a more practical suggestion: The ability to voltage control the Q is a big part of the serge filter sound. Intellijel's Dr. Octature does this pretty well, and it is an amazing DC voltage generator AND it responds to FM soooooooo well.
I've seen Raglani, Kevin Harris, etc. do some modular shows and I really got into it.
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Post by Mans » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:24 am

So what's so special about a serge filter exactly? Genuine inquiry.

I've heard that Cwejman filters share some of its characteristics?

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Post by komyta » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:07 am

Mans wrote:So what's so special about a serge filter exactly? Genuine inquiry.
They're expensive. :hihi:
Mans wrote:I've heard that Cwejman filters share some of its characteristics?
Indeed. See above. :lol:

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Post by komyta » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:55 am

...While wandering in the Buchla, EMS & Serge subforum, I came upon this interesting thread about forthcoming Serge Euro modules :

viewtopic.php?t=58972

Exciting. :hyper:

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Post by amnesia » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:59 am

Navs wrote:The Toppobrillo is a very nice filter but it does not sound like a Serge.
Totally agree. I just borrowed a Toppo and its not even close.

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Post by toppobrillo » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:26 am

Navs wrote:
The Toppobrillo is a very nice filter but it does not sound like a Serge.


Totally agree. I just borrowed a Toppo and its not even close
Is it supposed to be? :hmm:

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Post by Drumdrumdrumdrum » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:29 am

I didn't know serge used filters. I thought it was all "West Coast"? In fact using the word Serge and Filter in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
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Post by BugBrand » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:42 am

Drumdrumdrumdrum wrote:I didn't know serge used filters. I thought it was all "West Coast"? In fact using the word Serge and Filter in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
That definitely deserves the reply "Hmmmmmm"

Edit - I think you're thinking about Buchla not having much in the way of resonant filters? (Maybe that's wrong too? What do I know.. but, anyways - Serge filters are resonant and well regarded - mainly multi-mode SV Filters, I think)

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Post by amnesia » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:45 am

toppobrillo wrote:
Navs wrote:
The Toppobrillo is a very nice filter but it does not sound like a Serge.


Totally agree. I just borrowed a Toppo and its not even close
Is it supposed to be? :hmm:
I dont know if its suppose to be but for some reason it must have people thinking it is, thats why I wanted to try it.

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Post by richard » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:00 am

Drumdrumdrumdrum wrote:I didn't know serge used filters. I thought it was all "West Coast"? In fact using the word Serge and Filter in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
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Post by Funky40 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:29 am

how is the CGS Serge 1973 SVF ?
is that the one from the serge line you would choose today ?
having this is having "the serge VCF sound" ?


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Post by Drumdrumdrumdrum » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:30 am

So to say West cost synthesis does not use filters is a big generalisation then, right?
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Post by ndkent » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:40 am

A lot of people say "West Coast" because they don't actually own Buchla or Serge and even perhaps if they did they'd receive a "huh?" in response. Anyway Serge did not utilize lowpass gates and he was pretty Moog informed as he worked quite a bit expanding TONTO fairly early on. That said Serge's filters dont try to go head to head with Moog. Maybe more the precision tool which these days also brings up Cwejman.

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Post by Nuuj » Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:34 am

I swear that I saw that some obscure Euro maker that I liked on Facebook posted a panel for an upcoming Serge filter clone in the last month, but I can't recall who. I can recall that they weren't US based and don't currently have many modules on the market.
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Post by Arcade Sinusoid » Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:54 am

Oops my bad fellas. What the op was asking was a filter that sounded "similar" in the euro format. By all means its not a Serge filter. But I think you can get some pretty cool serge "like" results with the toppobrillos functions especially with some feedback patching or quad cv foolery. Just a recommendation to Old Age. I guess the answer is if you want a Serge filter buy a Serge filter but while saving up for one enjoy yourself some nice euro filters! :twisted:

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Post by Mans » Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:04 am

komyta wrote:
Mans wrote:So what's so special about a serge filter exactly? Genuine inquiry.
They're expensive. :hihi:
Mans wrote:I've heard that Cwejman filters share some of its characteristics?
Indeed. See above. :lol:

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Post by Navs » Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:38 am

amnesia wrote:
toppobrillo wrote:
Navs wrote:
The Toppobrillo is a very nice filter but it does not sound like a Serge.


Totally agree. I just borrowed a Toppo and its not even close
Is it supposed to be? :hmm:
I dont know if its suppose to be but for some reason it must have people thinking it is, thats why I wanted to try it.
No, Josh, and it doesn't have to be. It's a class filter in its own right. But evidently some people think there's a Serge connection.

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Post by Michael O. » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:07 pm

There are two types of resonant vcf's (other than the res eq, which lacks vc, and things that could be patched up as a vcf/lpg, like the dusg, for example) in my friend's Serge/STS system. There's the variable-Q filter, and there's the variable slope filter. Each filter has distinct features, and, likewise, has a distinct sound.

It appeared to me as if the variable-q (as in vc'able Q/resonance) is more or less a standard state-variable filter, but with all the options. This is probably where the initial association with the toppo vcf arose; it and the variable-q appear very similar function-wise, but likely sound different (e.g., doepfer moog and doepfer diode lpf's).

The variable-slope filter seemed to be a different beast entirely, though. The vslope has infinitely variable slope that can be manually or voltage controlled. I don't think I've seen this feature as such in a euro module, which is a bummer because it really has a unique character. The serge is actually capable of incredible acid/techno style synth lines when patched properly, despite popular belief. Also, like just about everything in the serge system (or euro, or anything really) the filters benefit from judicious feedback patching, experimenting with and mastering that gets you a large part of the way there.

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