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mckenic
Anyone see this on Matrix? Anyone actually play with one? Any opinions? question

http://m.matrixsynth.com/2012/11/full-details-on-bass-bot-tt-303-tb-30 3.html

MAN Ive wanted a x0xb0x in this form factor for like forever so if this is anything like the x0x sound... me=WANT!
Starrefision
so, is "cyclone" basically cy from technology transplant?

d'oh!
oh of course, it's a CY CLONE not "cyclone".
limpmeat
Awesome.
REwire
It has the same button layout as the original 303 but like 20 new functions. That sounds like 10 times the pain of programming just a 303.
mckenic
Hope its not the TT guy - there is some problem with him and Adafruit right?

Never having had the pleasure of touching the original - Im sure with midi in/out I could live with programming it for €550 instead of €2500!

Im excited about it but will reign in the fanb0i until these are in the wild and someone I know has reviewed one! Hopefully SonicState!
computer controlled
Yes, it's Cy.
Pfurmel
Starrefision wrote:
so, is "cyclone" basically cy from technology transplant?


First thing I though when I saw that and the "TT" in the name, damn.

So has anyone actually got one? I'd imagine these would sell like hot cakes.
chorus7
Is it just me or does the "24dB 4-pole resonant analog filter" not seem right?

This might be me being picky but wasn't the original 18db non resonant?
ringroad1
chorus7 wrote:
Is it just me or does the "24dB 4-pole resonant analog filter" not seem right?

This might be me being picky but wasn't the original 18db non resonant?


Tim Stinchcombe nailed this one - the original was a 4 pole filter.

http://www.timstinchcombe.co.uk/index.php?pge=diode
BugBrand
This is being discussed on the AH list. Robin Whittle (DevilFish mods) posted this:

(this is purely to share the list info - I have no real knowledge of the situation)

Quote:
On Nov 28, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Robin Whittle <rw****firstpr.com.au> wrote:

> Short version: Cy and Technology Transplant are not one and the same.
>
> The offensive website of Jan 2010 was not necessarily
> the work of Cy, though he did have a dispute with
> AdaFruit Industries.
>
> Cyclone Analogic is Cy and some other people, not
> necessarily all those who were involved in Technology
> Transplant.
>
> I believe it is unlikely that a machine as well designed
> and made as the TT-303 would result from the efforts of
> an antisocial character.
>
> I have been corresponding with Cy since September 2004, via
> chipforbrains@yahoo.com and before that
> chipforbrains@technologytransplant.com (which was the email address of
> the founder of this business in the USA, who is no longer involved).
> The person who normally responds to this email address is a thoughtful
> fellow who is passionate about producing synthesizers. His English is
> at times idiosyncratic - but I find his messages frequently rich and
> engaging.
>
> In the course of this correspondence I have also got one or two messages
> from a totally different character (this was some years ago) who was
> beyond unpleasant. This person was hateful, demeaning and antisocial -
> and made it clear that he was not Cy, but was using the account. I
> don't know his name.
>
> It is my understanding that Technology Transplant was not just Cy. He
> has assured me that the new company - Cyclone Analogic - does not
> involve the antisocial character who was involved in the dispute
> mentioned below. He told me that it involves different investors than
> Technology Transplant did.
>
> The Cyclone Analogic domain names have a different registrant (via
> Goddaddy's whois):
>
> analogic, cyclone wangjing093@gmail.com
> Cyclone Analogic Ltd.
> 17 MaiTak Industrial Bldg.
> #855 F1 Hong Kong, Kowloon 00000
> Hong Kong +852.60616787
>
> from the registrant of technologytransplant.com, which in early 2011 (I
> recall) was registered by the same person who registered the domain
> adafruitindustries.com at which grossly offensive material was hosted
> for a week or less (as I recall) in January 2011. The thread concerning
> that ugly dispute is
> http://forums.adafruit.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=XXXX18854 (remove the
> XXXX and also see thread 19010). That registrant at that time is listed
> in the thread - "Mr. He ZhiYa".
>
> The nameservers for "adafruitindustries.com" are now those of
> ladyada.net and I guess they have been so since the current registration
> period started on 2011-09-20.
>
> There was and I guess still is a dispute between Cy and the AdaFruit
> people. He was accused of not properly acknowledging AdaFruitIndustries
> in eBay listings for x0xb0x kits. I understand he fixed this problem
> and was miffed that many people advertised x0xb0x kits on eBay without
> proper acknowledgement, and without apparent protests from AdaFruit
> Industries. I think the dispute has deeper roots than this.
>
>
> I have only communicated with Cy by email. I don't know anyone who has
> met or spoken with him. I can't prove he was not directly responsible
> for the offensive website and threatening email. That seems out of
> character for the person I know as Cy, but not for the antisocial
> character who was part of Technology Transplant some years ago - and may
> still be a part of it today.
>
> Cy tends not to write to mailing lists such as this. So accusations
> such as: Doug Terrebonne's:
>
>> . . . This is the guy that tried to blackmail LadyAda. . . .
>
> might go unchallenged unless someone like me does so.
>
> I have a vested interest in the success of the TT-303 since it will lead
> to an expansion in the Devil Fish modification work. Irrespective of
> this, I think it is an excellent project - a grand folly made real and
> affordable enough to be bought by thousands of people. There's no
> reason why people should accept my views on the character of Cy and
> whoever else is involved in Cyclone Analogic. However, anyone can
> correspond with Cy and make their own judgements.
>
>
> I think the TT-303 is a far better product than would result from the
> efforts of an anti-social character. It would be possible to sell
> plenty of crappier machines, and to get a crappier machine to market a
> year or so before the current introduction date. They could have sold
> plenty of them with silver-painted knobs and buttons, but instead the
> knobs and buttons are chrome plated. They could have used a plain three
> pin socket for Audio Out, but they use a 9 pin stereo dual SPDT switch
> socket, because it has more pins and therefore is anchored better to the
> PCB. They could have sold plenty of machines with a simpler sequencer
> function and red LEDs. Instead it has an elaborate sequencer with full
> color range RGB LEDs. They could have sold it with a lousy manual, but
> the manual is the product of a great deal of care.
>
> On the PCBs is the text: "Designed in the USA for Cyclone Analogic by
> Rezonance Labs and Technology Transplant". I guess that the schematic,
> PCB and firmware design - and probably the user manual - are the product
> of "Rezonance Labs" in the USA. I think this is all good work.
>
> The impetus for this project clearly comes from Cy in China. A Drum
> Drone TT-606 is next. Cy, his colleagues and investors are now
> producing a well-designed, well-made, instrument which I am sure will
> sell like hot-cakes.
>
> They have the resources and the arguably crazy inclination to get big
> injection-molding dies made in order to create at knob, button, case,
> transistor, resistor and capacitor level a faithful but in other ways
> enhanced reproduction of a 30 year old analogue synthesizer. It is
> difficult for me to believe this is the work of whoever created the
> offensive website.
>
> As an aside, someone wrote to me about the business name. I hadn't
> realised, but it can be seen as Cy-Clone . . .
>
> - Robin http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/dfish/TT-303/
mckenic
Thanks for the info BugBrand!
Must see if I can find that and watch it for info!


I LOVE the form factor I gotta say! love
Altitude909
get them while you can, Cy is about to find out that ripping off trademarks without permission from a major corporation is a little different then ripping off designs from open source outfits that give it out freely
CF3
Looks cool but....do we really need more 303 clones? hmmm.....
StepLogik
Altitude909 wrote:
get them while you can, Cy is about to find out that ripping off trademarks without permission from a major corporation is a little different then ripping off designs from open source outfits that give it out freely


I thought the same thing when I first saw it.

Roland doesn't want to reissue the 303, but they damn sure don't want anyone else too, either. I dunno, maybe they will let it slide.
rekem1000
StepLogik wrote:
Altitude909 wrote:
get them while you can, Cy is about to find out that ripping off trademarks without permission from a major corporation is a little different then ripping off designs from open source outfits that give it out freely


I thought the same thing when I first saw it.

Roland doesn't want to reissue the 303, but they damn sure don't want anyone else too, either. I dunno, maybe they will let it slide.


It doesn't say "Roland" or "TB-303" anywhere, unless they trademarked the term "Computer Controlled" there is no breach, he is not trying to pass them off as genuine Roland TB-303's.
burnn_out!
rekem1000 wrote:
StepLogik wrote:
Altitude909 wrote:
get them while you can, Cy is about to find out that ripping off trademarks without permission from a major corporation is a little different then ripping off designs from open source outfits that give it out freely


I thought the same thing when I first saw it.

Roland doesn't want to reissue the 303, but they damn sure don't want anyone else too, either. I dunno, maybe they will let it slide.


It doesn't say "Roland" or "TB-303" anywhere, unless they trademarked the term "Computer Controlled" there is no breach, he is not trying to pass them off as genuine Roland TB-303's.


If this was the case wouldn't acidlab m1ami be at fault as well?
Starrefision
wouldn't it be a circuit patent?
will these actually arrive unlike my orders from technology transplant?
Makingsound
I tried one.

It sound better than a xoxbox (IMHO), the form factor is perfect, and the OS is so fresh that it could break the real TB market. I will make some video and sounds as soon as possible.
mckenic
PLEASE do!

The form factor and the price really interest me - sound/availability/support will of course be the deciding factors!

thumbs up
REwire
Makingsound wrote:
I tried one.

It sound better than a xoxbox (IMHO), the form factor is perfect, and the OS is so fresh that it could break the real TB market. I will make some video and sounds as soon as possible.


I hope so. I just tried the Mode Machines and TT X0XB0Xs and they just don't quack or bark.

Dan
Altitude909
Starrefision wrote:
wouldn't it be a circuit patent?
will these actually arrive unlike my orders from technology transplant?


Trademark and patent are not the same thing. Ask the D16 guys about how Roland went after them big time when their softsynths resembled the 303 and 808 designs and they were forced to change it. Its no different than if you made a movie just like "Star Wars" and called is "galaxy wars" (this exact thing happened to battle-star galactica actually). Roland owns the likeness of any devices it has produced, period. You HAVE to get permission to produce anything that resembles it (Read the fine print on Rebirth). This is no different than knock off Gucci bags or fake 90s Air Jordans and will be treated legally as such.

Every wonder why every 303 clone looks nothing like a 303? Cause it legally cannot without Roland's permission.

burnn_out! wrote:

If this was the case wouldn't acidlab m1ami be at fault as well?


Not at all, any design related patents are long expired. The Miami looks nothing like the 808, just because they claim "similar to the 808 sound wise" that does not infringe on Rolands trademarks since you cant trademark a sound (Harley Davidson tried) and the device looks nothing like and would never be confused for the original. Its the difference between putting out a guitar that claims to sound like a 1970s Les Paul but looks nothing like one and putting out one that looks identical to one but called a "Lez Paul"

It looks like a cool device and doesnt sound so bad but Cy and Co. put a big ol set of legal cross hairs on their forehead by exactly copying the physical design of the 303 (to a T). That BS might be passable on the mainland, but these are not bootleg 303 fridge magnets. Roland WILL notice that someone is remanufacturing one of their designs and go after everyone they can.
rekem1000
Altitude909 wrote:
Roland WILL notice that someone is remanufacturing one of their designs and go after everyone they can.

That doesn't mean they will win. As you said any design patent expired after 14 years, I think the D16 guys just thought it wasn't worth the hassle when all they had to do was change the GUI skin a bit.
50quidsoundboy
i would buy one of these today if i had the cash.
brandon daniel
I ordered one the other night when they first went up... I've got my first-batch x0x with all-original parts and hand-selected transistors, we'll see how they stack up when the TT arrives. If nothing else, from the videos the sequencer works and is actually like the real 303, so if the x0x still sounds better you could sequence the x0x from the TT for the real deal combo.
Ƶl8®
The market has been screaming for a new 303 for 20+ years and the only words from Roland is "We can replicate that" and they gave us the MC-303 applause

Roland can go fuck themselves!
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