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mckenic
Anyone see this on Matrix? Anyone actually play with one? Any opinions? question

http://m.matrixsynth.com/2012/11/full-details-on-bass-bot-tt-303-tb-30 3.html

MAN Ive wanted a x0xb0x in this form factor for like forever so if this is anything like the x0x sound... me=WANT!
Starrefision
so, is "cyclone" basically cy from technology transplant?

d'oh!
oh of course, it's a CY CLONE not "cyclone".
limpmeat
Awesome.
REwire
It has the same button layout as the original 303 but like 20 new functions. That sounds like 10 times the pain of programming just a 303.
mckenic
Hope its not the TT guy - there is some problem with him and Adafruit right?

Never having had the pleasure of touching the original - Im sure with midi in/out I could live with programming it for €550 instead of €2500!

Im excited about it but will reign in the fanb0i until these are in the wild and someone I know has reviewed one! Hopefully SonicState!
computer controlled
Yes, it's Cy.
Pfurmel
Starrefision wrote:
so, is "cyclone" basically cy from technology transplant?


First thing I though when I saw that and the "TT" in the name, damn.

So has anyone actually got one? I'd imagine these would sell like hot cakes.
chorus7
Is it just me or does the "24dB 4-pole resonant analog filter" not seem right?

This might be me being picky but wasn't the original 18db non resonant?
ringroad1
chorus7 wrote:
Is it just me or does the "24dB 4-pole resonant analog filter" not seem right?

This might be me being picky but wasn't the original 18db non resonant?


Tim Stinchcombe nailed this one - the original was a 4 pole filter.

http://www.timstinchcombe.co.uk/index.php?pge=diode
BugBrand
This is being discussed on the AH list. Robin Whittle (DevilFish mods) posted this:

(this is purely to share the list info - I have no real knowledge of the situation)

Quote:
On Nov 28, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Robin Whittle <rw****firstpr.com.au> wrote:

> Short version: Cy and Technology Transplant are not one and the same.
>
> The offensive website of Jan 2010 was not necessarily
> the work of Cy, though he did have a dispute with
> AdaFruit Industries.
>
> Cyclone Analogic is Cy and some other people, not
> necessarily all those who were involved in Technology
> Transplant.
>
> I believe it is unlikely that a machine as well designed
> and made as the TT-303 would result from the efforts of
> an antisocial character.
>
> I have been corresponding with Cy since September 2004, via
> chipforbrains@yahoo.com and before that
> chipforbrains@technologytransplant.com (which was the email address of
> the founder of this business in the USA, who is no longer involved).
> The person who normally responds to this email address is a thoughtful
> fellow who is passionate about producing synthesizers. His English is
> at times idiosyncratic - but I find his messages frequently rich and
> engaging.
>
> In the course of this correspondence I have also got one or two messages
> from a totally different character (this was some years ago) who was
> beyond unpleasant. This person was hateful, demeaning and antisocial -
> and made it clear that he was not Cy, but was using the account. I
> don't know his name.
>
> It is my understanding that Technology Transplant was not just Cy. He
> has assured me that the new company - Cyclone Analogic - does not
> involve the antisocial character who was involved in the dispute
> mentioned below. He told me that it involves different investors than
> Technology Transplant did.
>
> The Cyclone Analogic domain names have a different registrant (via
> Goddaddy's whois):
>
> analogic, cyclone wangjing093@gmail.com
> Cyclone Analogic Ltd.
> 17 MaiTak Industrial Bldg.
> #855 F1 Hong Kong, Kowloon 00000
> Hong Kong +852.60616787
>
> from the registrant of technologytransplant.com, which in early 2011 (I
> recall) was registered by the same person who registered the domain
> adafruitindustries.com at which grossly offensive material was hosted
> for a week or less (as I recall) in January 2011. The thread concerning
> that ugly dispute is
> http://forums.adafruit.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=XXXX18854 (remove the
> XXXX and also see thread 19010). That registrant at that time is listed
> in the thread - "Mr. He ZhiYa".
>
> The nameservers for "adafruitindustries.com" are now those of
> ladyada.net and I guess they have been so since the current registration
> period started on 2011-09-20.
>
> There was and I guess still is a dispute between Cy and the AdaFruit
> people. He was accused of not properly acknowledging AdaFruitIndustries
> in eBay listings for x0xb0x kits. I understand he fixed this problem
> and was miffed that many people advertised x0xb0x kits on eBay without
> proper acknowledgement, and without apparent protests from AdaFruit
> Industries. I think the dispute has deeper roots than this.
>
>
> I have only communicated with Cy by email. I don't know anyone who has
> met or spoken with him. I can't prove he was not directly responsible
> for the offensive website and threatening email. That seems out of
> character for the person I know as Cy, but not for the antisocial
> character who was part of Technology Transplant some years ago - and may
> still be a part of it today.
>
> Cy tends not to write to mailing lists such as this. So accusations
> such as: Doug Terrebonne's:
>
>> . . . This is the guy that tried to blackmail LadyAda. . . .
>
> might go unchallenged unless someone like me does so.
>
> I have a vested interest in the success of the TT-303 since it will lead
> to an expansion in the Devil Fish modification work. Irrespective of
> this, I think it is an excellent project - a grand folly made real and
> affordable enough to be bought by thousands of people. There's no
> reason why people should accept my views on the character of Cy and
> whoever else is involved in Cyclone Analogic. However, anyone can
> correspond with Cy and make their own judgements.
>
>
> I think the TT-303 is a far better product than would result from the
> efforts of an anti-social character. It would be possible to sell
> plenty of crappier machines, and to get a crappier machine to market a
> year or so before the current introduction date. They could have sold
> plenty of them with silver-painted knobs and buttons, but instead the
> knobs and buttons are chrome plated. They could have used a plain three
> pin socket for Audio Out, but they use a 9 pin stereo dual SPDT switch
> socket, because it has more pins and therefore is anchored better to the
> PCB. They could have sold plenty of machines with a simpler sequencer
> function and red LEDs. Instead it has an elaborate sequencer with full
> color range RGB LEDs. They could have sold it with a lousy manual, but
> the manual is the product of a great deal of care.
>
> On the PCBs is the text: "Designed in the USA for Cyclone Analogic by
> Rezonance Labs and Technology Transplant". I guess that the schematic,
> PCB and firmware design - and probably the user manual - are the product
> of "Rezonance Labs" in the USA. I think this is all good work.
>
> The impetus for this project clearly comes from Cy in China. A Drum
> Drone TT-606 is next. Cy, his colleagues and investors are now
> producing a well-designed, well-made, instrument which I am sure will
> sell like hot-cakes.
>
> They have the resources and the arguably crazy inclination to get big
> injection-molding dies made in order to create at knob, button, case,
> transistor, resistor and capacitor level a faithful but in other ways
> enhanced reproduction of a 30 year old analogue synthesizer. It is
> difficult for me to believe this is the work of whoever created the
> offensive website.
>
> As an aside, someone wrote to me about the business name. I hadn't
> realised, but it can be seen as Cy-Clone . . .
>
> - Robin http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/dfish/TT-303/
mckenic
Thanks for the info BugBrand!
Must see if I can find that and watch it for info!


I LOVE the form factor I gotta say! love
Altitude909
get them while you can, Cy is about to find out that ripping off trademarks without permission from a major corporation is a little different then ripping off designs from open source outfits that give it out freely
CF3
Looks cool but....do we really need more 303 clones? hmmm.....
StepLogik
Altitude909 wrote:
get them while you can, Cy is about to find out that ripping off trademarks without permission from a major corporation is a little different then ripping off designs from open source outfits that give it out freely


I thought the same thing when I first saw it.

Roland doesn't want to reissue the 303, but they damn sure don't want anyone else too, either. I dunno, maybe they will let it slide.
rekem1000
StepLogik wrote:
Altitude909 wrote:
get them while you can, Cy is about to find out that ripping off trademarks without permission from a major corporation is a little different then ripping off designs from open source outfits that give it out freely


I thought the same thing when I first saw it.

Roland doesn't want to reissue the 303, but they damn sure don't want anyone else too, either. I dunno, maybe they will let it slide.


It doesn't say "Roland" or "TB-303" anywhere, unless they trademarked the term "Computer Controlled" there is no breach, he is not trying to pass them off as genuine Roland TB-303's.
burnn_out!
rekem1000 wrote:
StepLogik wrote:
Altitude909 wrote:
get them while you can, Cy is about to find out that ripping off trademarks without permission from a major corporation is a little different then ripping off designs from open source outfits that give it out freely


I thought the same thing when I first saw it.

Roland doesn't want to reissue the 303, but they damn sure don't want anyone else too, either. I dunno, maybe they will let it slide.


It doesn't say "Roland" or "TB-303" anywhere, unless they trademarked the term "Computer Controlled" there is no breach, he is not trying to pass them off as genuine Roland TB-303's.


If this was the case wouldn't acidlab m1ami be at fault as well?
Starrefision
wouldn't it be a circuit patent?
will these actually arrive unlike my orders from technology transplant?
Makingsound
I tried one.

It sound better than a xoxbox (IMHO), the form factor is perfect, and the OS is so fresh that it could break the real TB market. I will make some video and sounds as soon as possible.
mckenic
PLEASE do!

The form factor and the price really interest me - sound/availability/support will of course be the deciding factors!

thumbs up
REwire
Makingsound wrote:
I tried one.

It sound better than a xoxbox (IMHO), the form factor is perfect, and the OS is so fresh that it could break the real TB market. I will make some video and sounds as soon as possible.


I hope so. I just tried the Mode Machines and TT X0XB0Xs and they just don't quack or bark.

Dan
Altitude909
Starrefision wrote:
wouldn't it be a circuit patent?
will these actually arrive unlike my orders from technology transplant?


Trademark and patent are not the same thing. Ask the D16 guys about how Roland went after them big time when their softsynths resembled the 303 and 808 designs and they were forced to change it. Its no different than if you made a movie just like "Star Wars" and called is "galaxy wars" (this exact thing happened to battle-star galactica actually). Roland owns the likeness of any devices it has produced, period. You HAVE to get permission to produce anything that resembles it (Read the fine print on Rebirth). This is no different than knock off Gucci bags or fake 90s Air Jordans and will be treated legally as such.

Every wonder why every 303 clone looks nothing like a 303? Cause it legally cannot without Roland's permission.

burnn_out! wrote:

If this was the case wouldn't acidlab m1ami be at fault as well?


Not at all, any design related patents are long expired. The Miami looks nothing like the 808, just because they claim "similar to the 808 sound wise" that does not infringe on Rolands trademarks since you cant trademark a sound (Harley Davidson tried) and the device looks nothing like and would never be confused for the original. Its the difference between putting out a guitar that claims to sound like a 1970s Les Paul but looks nothing like one and putting out one that looks identical to one but called a "Lez Paul"

It looks like a cool device and doesnt sound so bad but Cy and Co. put a big ol set of legal cross hairs on their forehead by exactly copying the physical design of the 303 (to a T). That BS might be passable on the mainland, but these are not bootleg 303 fridge magnets. Roland WILL notice that someone is remanufacturing one of their designs and go after everyone they can.
rekem1000
Altitude909 wrote:
Roland WILL notice that someone is remanufacturing one of their designs and go after everyone they can.

That doesn't mean they will win. As you said any design patent expired after 14 years, I think the D16 guys just thought it wasn't worth the hassle when all they had to do was change the GUI skin a bit.
50quidsoundboy
i would buy one of these today if i had the cash.
brandon daniel
I ordered one the other night when they first went up... I've got my first-batch x0x with all-original parts and hand-selected transistors, we'll see how they stack up when the TT arrives. If nothing else, from the videos the sequencer works and is actually like the real 303, so if the x0x still sounds better you could sequence the x0x from the TT for the real deal combo.
Ƶl8®
The market has been screaming for a new 303 for 20+ years and the only words from Roland is "We can replicate that" and they gave us the MC-303 applause

Roland can go fuck themselves!
polyroy
No DIN sync sucks, but oh well. I'll wait until the sounds/reviews crop up, but will probably just end up getting another 303 anyway.
appliancide
Hmmm...All I see is red flags?
SMS303
Ƶl8® wrote:
The market has been screaming for a new 303 for 20+ years and the only words from Roland is "We can replicate that" and they gave us the MC-303 applause

héhé lol +1

afaik Roland complained once about an exact copy of the TB layout and housing used for a x0xbox....

haven't touched the TT303 irl but i do like the idea and looks allready love

is this a limited run or are there more to come?
computer controlled
I've become kinda tempted to buy one just to have it when they get hit with a C&D order and they become almost as treasured as the real thing =o]
darenager
It's a fake lol
gosh
well I have one on the way..looks to be a pretty cool product and I don't think they will be around too long either..
the real reason I got is to get the official devilish mods completed..sweet!
Why Adapter
This looks really cool (except no DIN sync?), but . . .

The form factor would fall into the area of "Trade Dress". Even if Roland doesn't see fit to reissue the 303, I'm sure they still have the form factor trademarked, and it's got to be extreamly valuable to them, being so iconic and all. And Roland can afford lots of lawyers to defend it.

If any actually DO make it to users, they'll probably be even more sought after than the original after Roland puts the hammer down since there'll only be a few. [just my guess]
SMS303
computer controlled wrote:
I've become kinda tempted to buy one just to have it when they get hit with a C&D order and they become almost as treasured as the real thing =o]

It's really tempting....
The looks, the sequencer and the review of Robin Whittle makes the tempting even more worse... MY ASS IS BLEEDING

I have no budget for it and still have a pre-order for a fenix sequencer and second fenix II...
Also have 2 Autobots on my wishlist: one for the VC-303 and the other for my beloved MC-202 love

I know: I can't have them all Dead Banana

@Larry: if you buy two i'll buy the second unit, of course priced as an used one razz
rekem1000
"Trade Dress" is a tricky one but from my limited understanding both companies must be selling a similar product, the law is to prevent confusion from the consumer.

I could be wrong and Roland might go after this with a sledgehammer but I think they're probably more interested in developing the next Jupiter-106 workstation that will sell for $3k and actually make them money.
Xero
If I wasn't already so broke, I'd have already bought one and I'd be having robin whittle devilfishing it. I've been wanting a second 303 for a while now, and I was hoping my second one would be a devilfish, but with 303s as much as they are right now, that was quickly becoming out of reach.

Hmm!!! Assuming they don't immediately get shut down by roland or something, I could foresee one of these in my future...
brandon daniel
Had a couple days with mine. It did not disappoint. This is the 303 I've always wanted, at a price I couldn't pass up. Kind of want a second one, now.
Luka
waiting for the tear down to see how this thing is different to a xoxbox
theabsent
Luka wrote:
waiting for the tear down to see how this thing is different to a xoxbox


I'd guess not much.
Zenn
REwire wrote:
Makingsound wrote:
I tried one.

It sound better than a xoxbox (IMHO), the form factor is perfect, and the OS is so fresh that it could break the real TB market. I will make some video and sounds as soon as possible.


I hope so. I just tried the Mode Machines and TT X0XB0Xs and they just don't quack or bark.

Dan


But then again...modemachine xoboxes suck hard. Those are really ripoffs.

I have a hand-build x0x and a MM one...the difference is huge. It's a shame the poor build quality and choice of components damage the x0x image because a well-build x0x ROCKS hard. (This track contains 3 different x0xb0xes, they're tube-processed so it's not really fair...but you can't deny they do quack and bark and also scream howl and growl: https://soundcloud.com/zenn-1/tubescreamin2 )
kons
That is the mode machines MK1 x0x0b0x? Of which you speak?

The MK2 quacks, sqwweels and blubbers for me.
Zenn
I'm currently at work and I have no idea what version I own...
poladark
Well, I went and bought a TT-303 on a whim. (After pay day the sort of instant gratification you get in a store like Jam in Stockholm is an accident waiting to happen.) Told myself i needed something to play with while visiting the family during the Christmas holiday.

I have no prior experience with a real TB-303 but the TT-303 sounds great to me and it's easy to chain together patterns with. The automatic pattern generator is pretty useful. Haven't quite grasped the individual note programming on it yet tho. The arpeggiator mode is a lot of fun too.

Looking forward to the Devil Fish mod for some extra sonic possibilities.
mckenic
Thanks for the info poladark!

I have no experience with the original either only the x0xb0x so this is really intriguing and if they do a cheap enough 606 love

If you get a chance please do a demo as I think the Youtube stuff is mostly camera audio - just if you can smile
Incidentally Poladarks is the name of the 1st disco I went to as a kid hihi

thumbs up

P.S. Did it come with the cool grey carry case you see with some of the 303s?
brandon daniel
mckenic wrote:

P.S. Did it come with the cool grey carry case you see with some of the 303s?


Sadly, no, but it's cheap enough for what it is, I didn't expect one.
ignatius
posted on josh malekko FB page:

poladark
mckenic wrote:
If you get a chance please do a demo as I think the Youtube stuff is mostly camera audio - just if you can smile

I want to make a YouTube video with properly recorded sound and upload some stuff on soundcloud but that won't happen before the 26th I'm afraid. :(

mckenic wrote:
Incidentally Poladarks is the name of the 1st disco I went to as a kid hihi
woah

mckenic wrote:
P.S. Did it come with the cool grey carry case you see with some of the 303s?

I *really* wish it did. I'd like some sort of bag for this since it's so portable. Been running it on batteries for two days now.
ignatius
i read somewhere that the case for the TT is super thin and cheap feeling but it sounds good.

i'd probably just opt for a x0x box if i was in the market for acid box.. or just save $400 more and get an elektron A4... but if want acid acid then 303 emulator or real deal is the way to go.
brandon daniel
I received both the A4 and the TT-303 in the same week... the A4 can definitely go into acid line territory quite well, but the TT-303 is there *instantly*. My x0xb0x has the sound, but the sequencer isn't quite the same, and therefore takes some thought to get to the same places. The TT just does it out of the box. If you wanted something that sounds like a 303 but veers elsewhere in the programming, the x0x or A4 are great at that. If you wanted a 303 with MIDI I/O and pattern copying/other modern niceties, or just at something less than the $2K they go for now, the TT is your man.
brandon daniel
ignatius wrote:
i read somewhere that the case for the TT is super thin and cheap feeling but it sounds good.


Sure, though it feels about as solid as the real thing, TBH. If I have any complaints about the build quality, it was that some of the knob skirts and such rub a bit tight to their case-holes, adding some unwanted friction. But that seems to be working itself out over time as I use it.
poladark
ignatius wrote:
i read somewhere that the case for the TT is super thin and cheap feeling but it sounds good.

I can't say how thin it is, but it seems sturdy enough. The knobs feel a bit flimsy though.
ignatius
well that's good to hear about the build (other than the knobs). i'm always glad for more acid boxes tbh... and i'm super glad they exist to give options over a vintage stupid high price 303 (which of course sounds great and is awesome but ebay price.. eek)

anyway... thanks for the info you acid sluts!!! Mr. Green
lionelfischer
someone post some video of it using the various "personality algorithms" please.. would love to know what that's all about
brandon daniel
I've been having such a blast using it like a 303, haven't even delved into the non-303 features (like the personality and arpeggiator stuff).

Being able to take the pattern you programmed to the internal sequencer, record the midi out, throw it into MIDI play mode, then edit pattern variations in the DAW and play them back is killer.

I had a friend come over with his x0x yesterday... I don't think his x0x was the best point of comparison, his square wave shaper was wonky and I think the filter may have not been calibrated correctly, so the TT wiped the floor with it. But even my x0x (which is down for the count at the moment) wasn't as close in some crucial areas (hollow square, behaviors at high resonance, and of course the sequencer programming) to the real thing as the TT is.

But if I get a chance to play with those other features, I'll let you know.
cosmic overdose
I tried this little fellow today. Me and a friend did a comparing test between Bass Bot, TB-303 and x0xb0x. The Bass Bot can sound much better than a x0x, that's for sure. It has a more aggressive sound than both x0xb0x and 303. 303 has a more creamy sound and the big difference between Bass Bot and 303 is, in my opinion, in the resonance filter.
wintchil
I wonder how this compares to an acidlab bassline III? That was the acid box I have been gunning for, but this sounds and looks pretty good and a lot cheaper. hmmm.....
mckenic
It could just be my Man-Flu addled brain but do I recall something about OS updates etc done over USB or some such? Cant see anything about USB in the manual but I could be WAY off here...

The ending sections of these two videos sound good to my ears such as they are... (about the 3:20 mark in both vids)





Want!
REwire
Nice. Sounds better than any clone I've heard but...still waiting to hear its high resonance sounds. There's some in that demo but not as pure sine wave as the original I have heard yet; I can still hear the waveform mixed with it. Please someone demo the highest pure res sound you can get. The X0XBox suffered the same problems.

I could sell my Quicksilver 303 for mass bux and get one of these for a third the price. I like sequencing other gear more than hearing the original 303 sound.

Dan
nangu
Got a scary demo of this thing last week. Absolutely amazing. One of my crazy friends dropped layered tracks from it into a Tascam DP-24, and built up a wicked mess in maybe 45 minutes. He wasn't even using the most interesting seq improvements- just tapping out 64 step patterns. It's lovely. I don't claim to be an expert, but it sounds dead-on to me.
poladark
Well i was too busy having fun with the TT-303 to make a video of it. I have gotten around to trying it out for tunes though. So far I've mostly ended up using it for acid squelches and things like that. In the clip below the TT-303 has distortion and digital delay applied to it:
[s]http://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/73285745[/s]

Basically anything that sounds like a 303 in this clip is the TT-303.
mckenic
Sounds great dude!

Really liking that!!!

thumbs up
lionelfischer
can anyone tell us about these "algorithms" that the bass bot has? i'm really curious to know more about this
poladark
lionelfischer wrote:
can anyone tell us about these "algorithms" that the bass bot has? i'm really curious to know more about this

Well, basically you can automatically generate a note pattern for the TT-303 in a pseudo-random fashion. There are 7 different "styles" when you auto-generate patterns. Every one of the 7 tracks (as selected by the "track" knob) has a different style algorithm associated with it. So far, I've mostly been able to get most use out of algorithms 1,2 (fluid) and 7 (lead). The other ones seem to mostly produce short bleeps and silence.

I've gotten a lot of mileage out of the pattern generation algorithms so far. It's very easy to use. Sometimes a bit of hand-tuning is needed but that's actually not too hard. I imagine that in normal usage of the TT-303 you'll spend more time generating and editing patterns than actually writing them from scratch.
BLVCKJEVNS
I'm really curious to see what this does to the current TB market. Although I think I'd take a re-imagining of a vintage piece (provided that it produced a similar sound) over the vintage piece. The sequencing capabilities of the TT are really exciting to me.
shreddoggie
Very interesting indeed. AS a X0X owner and fan I found the comparisons interesting as well - some said the X0X held its own / sounded the same while others said no comparison. My guess is that this points to the quality issues among components and QC in X0X manufacturing. Those non-working / shite X0Xboxes are legendary.

To add to the discussion: My custom X0X with a bunch of mods sounds the same and better than anything in these videos - given the caveat that these are only internet videos and are limited to the users choices rather than A-Z demonstrations.

Love to hear some really extreme uses (without fx!), it doing beyond-303 stuff, and especially those devilfish mods!
poladark
shreddoggie wrote:
Love to hear some really extreme uses (without fx!), it doing beyond-303 stuff, and especially those devilfish mods!

I'm sure that some really crazy stuff will be possible once the devilfish mod is released. I'd love to modulate it with the fourMulator in the modular. As it is now the modulation possibilities are a bit limited to what you can sequence and twiddle with your fingers. Maybe I'm just making excuses smile
M-Circus
Wish I hadn't looked at this thread. Now I really want one...

sad banana
gosh
Well I thought I'd add my two pence to the subject and offer my review of the TT303.

I've just received my 2nd TT303 as my first 1 developed a fault and stopped making sound suddenly. Had been sounding great. That is obviously disturbing but the support I got from Superior Sounds London (SSL) where I bought was simply first class. I e-mailed them out of office hours about the fault and they got back within 15 minutes with a suggestion. This didn't work and so a further 10mintues down the line I had a paypal payment in my account to cover the postage back to them to have a look. I was also offered a full refund which I declined, deciding instead to wait for a fix or a new version.

Anyway, I just received a new version from SSL new stock and like the first one it rocks. I am obviously hopeful it doesn't develop a fault (SSL had not heard of a similar fault with anyone else's unit). I'm confident however that if it ever does, SSL will take good care of me!

This thing, to my ears, sounds a lot closer to a 303 than my Andy Pledger Synthetic Music Systems built x0x did. That's not to say the x0x didn't sound great..it totally did but this thing just seems to sound more fluid, more roland, even more 303 like, especially in the square wave area (I'm not really a fan of saw wave!). What makes it especially cool is the sequencer being a clone too. In my opinion it is the sequencer which makes a 303 sound most like a 303...it's the coming up with retarded, slidey sequences which you'd never normally program deliberately but come about by accident. The Insta DJ thing, despite being a damn cheesy name, comes up with some quite cool patterns that you can morph further, copy/paste etc.

The thing is most excited about though...Devilfish mods coming in February when Robin starts completing them! evil

I promise I'll record some audio clips this weekend (dry with no effects)... seriously, i just don't get it

Anyway, I recommend fully. I feel like I've got the 303 I've always wanted!
M-Circus
Glad to hear your troubles were been sorted.

To be honest I'm not too familiar the original (or these planned) Devilfish mods. What exactly do they have in line for there?
poladark
M-Circus wrote:
To be honest I'm not too familiar the original (or these planned) Devilfish mods. What exactly do they have in line for there?

If the Devil Fish mod for the TT is similar to the one for the original TB-303 it will provide some really useful stuff like being able to overdrive the filter, built-in distortion, cv and gate inputs, extended filter range, being able to change attack speed and more.
M-Circus
Gotcha.

I gotta say I'm tempted by this unit. The things currently holding me back is the feeling I get that the build quality ain't the greatest, coupled with the fact that the whole "operation" looks a bit dodgy to me. No information on websites etc. presumably means you'll have a hard time getting hold of the people that made the unit, should the shit hit the fan. I might be wrong though.
echologist
as your attorney, I strongly advise you to order one The Chewbacca Defense

M-Circus wrote:
Gotcha.

I gotta say I'm tempted by this unit. The things currently holding me back is the feeling I get that the build quality ain't the greatest, coupled with the fact that the whole "operation" looks a bit dodgy to me. No information on websites etc. presumably means you'll have a hard time getting hold of the people that made the unit, should the shit hit the fan. I might be wrong though.
M-Circus
w00t
gosh
well, like I put I certainly had no trouble with the London stockist - they have been superb but I admit I've had no dealings with Cyclone themselves. Build quality seems ok..I mean, they are very similar to original 303's...plastic box etc. Obviously my first one broke so that's not good but that's the only one that the stockist had heard of breaking.
Robin Whittle will honour the manufacturers warranty once he has modified it. I'm definitely getting it modded. it's blooming expensive but wanted a devilfish for ages! Extends the 303 capabilities x1000! The mods will be identical to those for the 303 with the exception of sequencer related mods (extra banks etc) as these are not needed/possible. Every sound-related mod will be the same though.
shreddoggie
Anyone know the protocol for devilfish mods i.e. will we be able to buy one modded and ready to go or will we need to buy an unmodded one and send it in for the mod? I am definitely leaning towards aquiring one and would want the mods so if I can get it all in one swell foop I will wait whereas if I have to send it out to get modded anyways then I might as well get one now. What say ye knowers of the knowledge?
REwire
shreddoggie wrote:
Anyone know the protocol for devilfish mods i.e. will we be able to buy one modded and ready to go or will we need to buy an unmodded one and send it in for the mod? I am definitely leaning towards aquiring one and would want the mods so if I can get it all in one swell foop I will wait whereas if I have to send it out to get modded anyways then I might as well get one now. What say ye knowers of the knowledge?


Same here! I don't want to Devilfish my 303 but would love to get one of these Devil'd. Since they are shipping from Europe it would be easier just to get them to Robin first and then to me instead of the usual way.

But for all I know Australia could be closer to California than Europe (?)
M-Circus
gosh wrote:
well, like I put I certainly had no trouble with the London stockist - they have been superb but I admit I've had no dealings with Cyclone themselves. Build quality seems ok..I mean, they are very similar to original 303's...plastic box etc. Obviously my first one broke so that's not good but that's the only one that the stockist had heard of breaking.
Robin Whittle will honour the manufacturers warranty once he has modified it. I'm definitely getting it modded. it's blooming expensive but wanted a devilfish for ages! Extends the 303 capabilities x1000! The mods will be identical to those for the 303 with the exception of sequencer related mods (extra banks etc) as these are not needed/possible. Every sound-related mod will be the same though.


Yeah, I saw that. And the Swedish dealer (which I would be buying from) is a well known store too, so I guess I shouldn't really be too concerned about getting fucked over there.

Not sure how much I should read into it, but I also somehow find it a bit reassuring Whittle are doing these mods. I presume that (should) mean he has some faith in the quality of the original product - and he should certainly know his 303s.

And yeah, just checked the prices of the Devilfish mods myself. All I can say is... woah woah woah
poladark
shreddoggie wrote:
will we be able to buy one modded and ready to go or will we need to buy an unmodded one and send it in for the mod?

I was told one rumor that you may be able to buy a new TT-303 chassi with the mods already installed. Installation would just be a matter of changing the casing and plugging in a cable on the TT-303 main circuit board.

That's the rumor anyway. It's pretty cramped inside the casing close to the internal I/O connector and I'm not quite sure if that could work.
M-Circus
Order placed. It's peanut butter jelly time!
echologist
too bad ur married screaming goo yo

M-Circus wrote:
Order placed. It's peanut butter jelly time!
echologist
cause the ladies luv da acid box applause

M-Circus wrote:
Order placed. It's peanut butter jelly time!
M-Circus
Edit: Didn't see your second post at first. hihi
echologist
8_)


M-Circus wrote:
Edit: Didn't see your second post at first. hihi
EMwhite
Which one of the brave souls on this forum is going to open the case up and take some nice pictures? : )

The absence of SYNC is a bit of a bummer; I'm not saying I would prefer that over Midi but if you have other SYNC or clock gear, it would be helpful. I'd be curious to see how much of the interior is serviceable (meaning mod'able) or in a long shot, able to be repaired if something breaks down the road.
wintchil
Over on the gearslutz thread someone took pictures, but that thread has really gone downhill. Read at your own risk.
echologist
can it be synced via midi time code using the midi in? for example, syncing it to ableton via midi...?

EMwhite wrote:
Which one of the brave souls on this forum is going to open the case up and take some nice pictures? : )

The absence of SYNC is a bit of a bummer; I'm not saying I would prefer that over Midi but if you have other SYNC or clock gear, it would be helpful. I'd be curious to see how much of the interior is serviceable (meaning mod'able) or in a long shot, able to be repaired if something breaks down the road.
wintchil
The manual says it can synced via midi time clock.
echologist
perfect. thanks

wintchil wrote:
The manual says it can synced via midi time clock.
mckenic
Anyone see the pix of the internals?

Couldnt see em over on sluts - no reason really just curious smile
slow_riot
they're on about page 7 or 8. text links not images directly on there. all SMT I think.

There was some good info about someone saying about the reason for the weird resonance being due to weird power supply not being able to keep up.

I've been 15% tempted but I'm just not into the 303 enough to get one.
mckenic
Thank you slow_riot! Saw the pix on page 8 - it certainly looks cleaner than the internals of my x0x hihi

I'd say Im 85 to 90% there in 'having' to get one. If I dont buy anything for 2 months I could afford it (but Ive been lusting after a Tame machine forever and it was next on the list cry )

If the sound is 85 to 90% there I would be happy if just the sequencer is fun (and can spit out stuff for my Euro!)! I dont enjoy using my x0x to programme and IF they are bringing out a 606 I'd want one too...

Not for the 'accuracy' if its close enough, its close enough. If needs must, I could just use vstis - but for the battery powered fun of using them. I have a x0x, V.1 OSC303 and VCF303 if it has to be accurate - but for inspiration and firing off riffs all I'd need would be a battery operated reverb pedal and I think these would be so much instant gratification fun! I hope it would give me the system/usability that has been talked about so much with the 'almost' sound. Never heard a real 303/606 in person so I wouldnt notice any difference!

Well, I hope so anyway!
slow_riot
the sequencer looks cool, I'll say that much. I used to use a software 303 emulation, Bassline and Bassline Pro (Audio Realism I think?) which had a similar programmable randomisation... good fun!
wintchil
mckenic wrote:
I dont enjoy using my x0x to programme and IF they are bringing out a 606 I'd want one too...


Are you using the sokkos firmware with your x0xb0x? I just upgraded to that and it really makes things a lot better than the stock firmware. For example you can edit the program while it's running and specifically choose which step to fine tune all in real time while the pattern is playing. You can also use the chain button to get variations as well.

I went ahead and picked up a bass bot, but sadly no real 303 to compare
it to.
mckenic
Nah - just the stock OS that came with it 1.6 I think...

I couldnt for the life of me get it to update using my old Win Xp box and TBH I completely forgot to try on my new Win 7 box. It might be my soldering of the USB chip but it showed up on the XP machine so I think I might try that again!!!

thumbs up

I just imagine the fun sequencer spitting out its seq to the Piston Honda along with a Bassline - woah
wintchil
What worked for me on windows 7 was lowering the baud rate to 4800 on the usb to serial properties in device manager. I lowered the latency in advanced to 8 as well.
EMwhite
I couldn't find the pics. Could somebody kindly supply the direct link? Thanks.
mckenic
They are up to 16mb so cant upload...

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/8518540-post214.html
bmot
hmmm, i'm in the market for a 606, but if there's a clone coming out then maybe I should hold on a bit. The domain tt-06.com has been registered by cyclone-analogic ltd so looks like it will happen:

http://whois.domaintools.com/tt-606.com
Altitude909
Could learn a lot from that main board pic. I dont see any matched transistor pairs, everything looks like generic stuff. What I do see is the switching power supply and step up transformer identical to the 303s though and I have no doubt that that plays a HUGE role the the classic sound. After working on several different 303s and building 2 dozen x0xb0xes, that's really what I think is the root cause of the differences. What convinced me was to program a simple pattern that could be duplicated exactly on the 303 and x0x, there was a noticeable difference with the x0xb0x being more "stiff". What I did then was to drive the x0x CV/Gate ins with the CV gate outs from the 303 and you know what? I couldnt tell them apart. Conclusion: All this high beta/original part nonsense everyone goes on about is a drop in the pond compared to the influence of the power supply. With that part cloned correctly, it will make very little difference what transistors are used. Thats why the 303 used 3 different types (i.e. cheapo generic ones of the period). It's no doubt that is the reason all the new BCbox x0xIO devices had a redesigned PSU to match the orginal instead of the AC powered voltage doubler in the x0x
Luap
This whole TT303 deal is fishier than a trawler full of trout.
Everything from the company making them to the companies reselling them and even many of the people giving them glowing reviews is fishy.

There isn't much about the whole operation that doesn't stink.
Sir Ruff
Altitude909 wrote:
Could learn a lot from that main board pic. I dont see any matched transistor pairs, everything looks like generic stuff. What I do see is the switching power supply and step up transformer identical to the 303s though and I have no doubt that that plays a HUGE role the the classic sound. After working on several different 303s and building 2 dozen x0xb0xes, that's really what I think is the root cause of the differences. What convinced me was to program a simple pattern that could be duplicated exactly on the 303 and x0x, there was a noticeable difference with the x0xb0x being more "stiff". What I did then was to drive the x0x CV/Gate ins with the CV gate outs from the 303 and you know what? I couldnt tell them apart. Conclusion: All this high beta/original part nonsense everyone goes on about is a drop in the pond compared to the influence of the power supply. With that part cloned correctly, it will make very little difference what transistors are used. Thats why the 303 used 3 different types (i.e. cheapo generic ones of the period). It's no doubt that is the reason all the new BCbox x0xIO devices had a redesigned PSU to match the orginal instead of the AC powered voltage doubler in the x0x


Not doubting you could be onto something, but then why is it that there is variation amongst 303s themselves? Is this where transistor swaps like 536 vs. 945 in Q28 actually make a significant difference?
gosh
Luap wrote:
This whole TT303 deal is fishier than a trawler full of trout.
Everything from the company making them to the companies reselling them and even many of the people giving them glowing reviews is fishy.

There isn't much about the whole operation that doesn't stink.


I don't have too many posts here granted but I post frequently on elektron-users so hopefully people can see I am a genuine user. My review of the TT303 (I like it!) and the service I got from Superior Sounds London (absolutely fantastic) stands.

Obviously I am but one person but have you actually seen any posts of people who have ordered and had problems?
Ƶl8®
I had mine for a while now and been running it agains my Original 303:s and a couple of x0xBoxes I can say that a well built x0x sounds a lot more closer to the TB in pure sound but the TT is closer in how the sequencer works with the accent/decay etc. The TT and all x0x:s I ever have tested does have a little metallish sound that the TB:s dont have. The TB also have a much more pure resonans and distinct (Roland) square wave.

(sorry but you have to live with my bad english )
Popski
gosh wrote:
Luap wrote:
This whole TT303 deal is fishier than a trawler full of trout.
Everything from the company making them to the companies reselling them and even many of the people giving them glowing reviews is fishy.

There isn't much about the whole operation that doesn't stink.


I don't have too many posts here granted but I post frequently on elektron-users so hopefully people can see I am a genuine user. My review of the TT303 (I like it!) and the service I got from Superior Sounds London (absolutely fantastic) stands.

Obviously I am but one person but have you actually seen any posts of people who have ordered and had problems?

Are you talking about the bassbot or a TTXOXBOX?

[EDIT* I see you specifically did say TT303.. sorry]


I have a TT XOX and it sucks. Bought assembled from Big City Music. Came missing components and did not work. Big City just referred me to Cy and were of no help (eventually just ignoring all my emails, not returning calls).
Cy sent me some missing components, which got the box working but still not 100%.

Can't upgrade the firmware on this particular XOX (I've been told). Not that Cy or BCM has ever confirmed that for me. Intermittant power issues. Only 2 working banks of patterns. etc..

I want to take a ballpeen hammer and smash it quite often.

And, on that note I would never buy from Cy again.
Once bitten twice go fuck yourself
Luap
gosh wrote:

I don't have too many posts here granted but I post frequently on elektron-users so hopefully people can see I am a genuine user. My review of the TT303 (I like it!) and the service I got from Superior Sounds London (absolutely fantastic) stands.

Obviously I am but one person but have you actually seen any posts of people who have ordered and had problems?



Sorry, I should have been clearer (Incidentally, I have rather less posts here than you! hihi ). Nothing in my post was aimed directly at yourself. The review remark was more aimed at posts such as this over at GS: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/8496049-post53.html
I don't even nearly buy that (and eerily similarly worded reviews have sprung up elsewhere).
But to expand on my point. The above review is clearly complete & utter BS, if for no other reason than he can't have collected it himself from Superior Sounds of London. The address is essentially fake. Actually, it's real but happens to also be home to at least 19'000 other registered companies. And the building is no sky scraper. So whats going on? It turns out this company exists at that address www.londonpresence.com They provide a London address to officially register a company at, plus a mail and call forwarding service. It is for people that want the kudos of a London based trading address. But none of the associated companies actually operate from there. I'd wager none of the companies registered there have even been there.. Its all arranged remotely. It could be run from some kids bedroom in Slough for all we know.

Still, if this thing was in the slightest bit legit. Then why are virtually unheard of resellers springing up selling them from a dubious address? Why the shill reviews being deposited sporadically about the net? Why does it sound bloody great on the superior sounds website (note, you don't see what makes the sound you hear on there), yet the few user demo's uploaded to Youtube sound like crap? Example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHnvdaj95dY And others I could find didn't fare much better. Indeed some others have now been removed from youtube for unexplained reasons.

Couple that little lot together with all the shady stuff we know of Cy/TT and the legal wrangles/extortion attempts with Adafruit, PLUS the iffy copyright issues with Roland mean I wouldn't part with over £500 for one. Indeed, given that it uses few if any rare parts and is largely made with modern surface mount parts (so likely produced in quantity) I don't see why it should even cost as much as £500.

The only thing it has going for it, are the looks (which is just as well because the innards of the TT303 have little in common with the real deal), plus the TT303 has Robin Whittles name associated with it, because of the (yet to be seen) Devilfish mods.
So why is Robin associating himself with TT? Because Robin needs the parts that currently only TT can supply him with. And TT would benefit in sales/marketing from having a name like "Devilfish" associated with it.
Personally I think that benefits TT's image rather more than it does for Robins, but whatever..

Anyway, if you got one, it works well and you like it. Then great, enjoy smile Despite all the mass fishiness perhaps it is good after all. But as you could perhaps tell, im more than a little sceptical wink
mckenic
Well IMHO firstly - thank God this isnt GeaeSlutz!

Secondly, I didnt know about the forwarding company stuff, thank you for that - Im hoping to visit my uncle in London over the next month or so and was HOPING to perhaps walk into a brick & mortar store to try one out... damn!

I asked Ulf about the possibility of stocking it so I'll wait to hear what Escape from Noise has to say I guess.

Lastly, and of course not aimed at you at all Luap - just my thoughts - Im hoping that some of my Wiggler mates will get a chance to record it direct into their soundcard, dry at at least 16bit, 44.1kHz. I would trust these guys more than websites, Robin (no offense, just dont know him, never had a 303) or Youtube sound conversion... or any spiel from a company...

The only thing is - Wigglers who I have seen post here before lots of times, seem to actually have them in their hands. That is cool IMHO!
wintchil
Ill put some demos up when I get it. It could be a couple of weeks though. I ordered mine in the states from syntaur and they say there is a 4 week lead time.
Luap
mckenic wrote:

Lastly, and of course not aimed at you at all Luap - just my thoughts - Im hoping that some of my Wiggler mates will get a chance to record it direct into their soundcard, dry at at least 16bit, 44.1kHz. I would trust these guys more than websites, Robin (no offense, just dont know him, never had a 303) or Youtube sound conversion... or any spiel from a company...



Indeed! No worries wink Im looking forward to hearing some demos from reputable people too (just to satisfy my own curiosity if nothing else). So far what i've heard has been inconsistent to put it mildly. Im sure the next couple of months will be very telling.

As i've said here and elsewhere before. The TT303 could be decent after all. But damn, it's got a LOT that counts against it currently.
Honestly, I do wish good luck to those taking the plunge on one, and I look forward to hearing more about them. Particularly Devilfished ones, if & when they surface.
Altitude909
Sir Ruff wrote:


Not doubting you could be onto something, but then why is it that there is variation amongst 303s themselves? Is this where transistor swaps like 536 vs. 945 in Q28 actually make a significant difference?



Poor tolerance parts would definitely make different units sound different (same goes for anything built by Roland round tht time, cheapest possible BOM was high on the list). 5% carbon resistors and 20% caps probably stack up quick so you have a lot of variation.

The 945 vs 536 thing may very well be one spot that one specific part sounds noticeably different from another but it was close enough to use as a replacement. It very also may be x0xb0x specific, I dont know of anyone that has A/B those parts in an actual 303. With the x0x everyone tried to find the "right" parts to make it sound more like a 303 and my postulate is that the two were never on even ground for comparison. Thats why my x0x driven by a 303 sounded a LOT more like a 303 than running on its own internal sequencer. I'd love to have this discussion with Brian Castro, he's spent years researching this stuff
nangu
The video from a few posts back is pretty awful, but it isn't fair. The TT-303 isn't even running off it's own sequencer- you can see from the position of the mode knob and the behavior of the blinky lights that it's just being fed external MIDI notes. There aren't even any slides..

My only concern with it at this point is that I can't figure out how to initiate a MIDI SYSEX dump from the front panel. The manual talks about going to the website and downloading a dedicated app "for your personal computer or mobile device" and initiating the dump from within the software. It tells how to put the thing in receive mode from the front panel, just not transmit mode. It's kinda neat that they're hinting at an iOS or Android version of their dedicated backup utility, but there also has to be a way to do a plain old MIDI dump without it.

Since the website doesn't exist yet, I poked around a bit looking for the key combination to start a dump. I got it into a mode where it flashed lots of pretty rainbow-colored lights at me- not sure whether that means it was transmitting or what. Since I can't afford to lose what's on the machine and it's memory is so huge that I'm nowhere near out of patterns yet, I figured that it was best to stop screwing around at that point.

Anyhow, I love the thing. Pattern Mutate is brilliant- I haven't had a feature give me such a powerful "this is way too easy" kind of feeling since I first got a Machinedrum and discovered Parameter Locks.

It sounds fantastic, although I'm not qualified to make any comparisons to x0xen or real 303s. It gets a big thumbs up from me, though..

BTW- Robin Whittle has the .PDF manual on his site now in case anyone wants to check it out: http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/dfish/TT-303/
dougt
Luap wrote:
So why is Robin associating himself with TT? Because Robin needs the parts that currently only TT can supply him with. And TT would benefit in sales/marketing from having a name like "Devilfish" associated with it.
Personally I think that benefits TT's image rather more than it does for Robins, but whatever..


I agree it is a bit disappointing to see Robin getting into bed with him...
Luka
i suspect as the form factor is the same as the original TB box which means he wouldn't have to redesign anything apart from where to patch his mods on the main pcb
StepLogik
nangu wrote:
The video from a few posts back is pretty awful, but it isn't fair. The TT-303 isn't even running off it's own sequencer- you can see from the position of the mode knob and the behavior of the blinky lights that it's just being fed external MIDI notes. There aren't even any slides..


Even so, listen to the crap timing. The TT should respond to incoming MIDI notes without so much latency. If it isn't the TT, then whatever is being used as the sequencer must be way off. It even seems to drop some notes altogether. That acid line is not even close to being in sync with the drum pattern.

Either the TT has a very shoddy MIDI implementation or the guy doing the demo doesn't know how to properly use his equipment.
nangu
I can very confidently assure you that the problem is with the guy, not the MIDI implementation. External MIDI works just fine.

The slide, accent, and transpose LEDs even light up in response to external MIDI- overlapping notes cause a slide, and velocities over 112 are accented.
gosh
I've not tried sequenced the TT from an external sequencer (I'm having to sell my cirklon cry ) but midi clock reception and sync (from my elektrons) is tight.

I PROMISE i will record some dry audio this weekend straight into soundcard..been mega busy and not had a chance later. I dunno, maybe people will still think it sounds cr*p. I don't and I've had 2x x0x, 1x future retro revolution and 1x 303 (for a loan period!).
Ƶl8®
I synced mine from MPC-2500 and TR-909 and it works great...
shreddoggie
I was just looking at a listing for one - they have now appeared on eBay. I noticed 24db 4 pole analogue filter - I thought one of the defining characteristics of the 303 (and followed in the X0X) was an 18 db filter.

Previous comments about the power supply make a lot of sense but I wonder what anyone thinks about the filter discrepancy especially anyone with the opportunity to do a side by side with either of the 18 db / 8ve filter units.

For me personally I could give an ass rats about 'sounds exactly like' - I am just fine with 'sounds great' along with 'good rhythm' and 'doesn't crash' but given that this is a 303 clone down to the layout / form factor and it is meant to be somewhat of a 'replacement' comparisons are inevitable, however I would be more interested in the above 'quoted' attributes - fun to make good sounding music with or not?
algorhythm
Yeah, that's a common misconception. The TB-303 has a 4-pole 24 dB per octave diode ladder filter (transistors with collectors connected to base).
mckenic
A couple of clearer videos it seems!



Norma
Just received my TT303 a few hours ago. First thing I noticed (besides that I cant hear the difference between this and the TB´s I´ve owned) was the sequencer, which has the same loose and rubbery characteristics as the TB. As others has mentioned I also noticed that the accent can go up a bit higher than that of the TB, which can be easily adjusted ofcourse. I havent yet played with any of the new functions. The build quality seems very nice and the color is the exact same as the TB, but with a bit more glossy surface. Very sexy little acidbox
berfmurret
I dont make or listen to acid but how I lust!
shreddoggie
algorhythm wrote:
Yeah, that's a common misconception. The TB-303 has a 4-pole 24 dB per octave diode ladder filter (transistors with collectors connected to base).


Thanks so much for that clarification! It is funny how widespread that misconception is - not like some a 'guy I know said so' thing but really everywhere on these interwebs... In an effort to correct my ignorance (Haha - PARTIALLY I mean) I did some looking - apparently there is some whackiness regarding the 303 filter being a diode ladder (as opposed to transistor = Moog) and the first pole being double the value of the subsequent poles which I suppose has some effect on the slope relative to where the cutoff is seriously, i just don't get it I am afraid I know nothing about electronics but should we assume that IF the nature of said filter is important to the 303 sound that it is duplicated more-or-less in the TT303?

Thanks also for the new vids - with the caveat that these are (again) shite internet videos, it sounds to me like the VCO has better bass than my X0X - a little more thickness in the lows.
mckenic
Dont really 'get' the personalities from this vid but the mutate looks cool!

3001
Anyone know what's inside this? I ordered mine, basically it's just a few dollars more than an assembled x0xb0x...so what the hell, it looks pretty, and sad as it may be, that will inspire me a bit more...

but what is it? is it an x0xb0x customized? is it a direct clone of a tb303?

I noticed the syntaur 4 week wait, so I ordered from Rhythm active in Australia. I think they say it shipped out Friday. We'll have to wait and see though.

I've owned plenty of 303s before, I hope this somewhat stacks up...I've not heard anyone doing basic non resonated sounds in youtube demos with the square wave, that's what i'm most curious about, its also the hardest to emulate that one...
Luap
3001 wrote:
Anyone know what's inside this?


It's largely surface mount components in there. Unlike TB303 and x0xb0xes which are entirely through hole (except the for the USB chip in the x0xb0x). This likely entails changes to the core circuit to accommodate the modern surface mount parts.
3001
But the design, i assume it's just a design from cyclone? It seems that not many people know the origins of this unit?
Luap
Actually it's origins were established pretty quickly once word of the TT303 got out. I think it's already been discussed in this thread. Plus the big ugly thread about it on GS, and also the thread on the Adafruit forums too.
Maybe this pict clears a few things up though? ("Cylcone" lol!)



I don't think we'll find out much more than this unless TT release their own schematics.
3001
Thanks, I was really curious. I read the thread on GS ,but maybe I skipped over things, because I didn't get much info out of them.

TT seems to be "Technology Transplant, ECGroup

Oklahoma City, OK, USA - ShenZhen, China P.R.C. "

cyclone and tt the same thing ?:-)
mckenic
Its on the first page of this thread - BugBrand posted some interesting info!

eek!
Pfurmel
Anyone else find the copyright mark on a cloned pcb just a tad ironic? I know it has been re-worked and reverse engineered but still I cant help but find it a little silly. Is tt going to sue me for cloning a clone of a clone?

It looks nice but for the money you could self-source 2 x0xb0xes or build a x0xio.
mckenic
Obviously I know nothing but I'd imagine the whole thing is fairly grey area and likely to be hit with a C&D soon!

Still want one tho!
3001
Eel Power FTW!
mckenic wrote:
Its on the first page of this thread - BugBrand posted some interesting info!

eek!


now i feel like an idiot... I deserve a Pokeout

dizzy
mckenic
Not at all sir!

thumbs up
3001
mckenic wrote:
Not at all sir!

thumbs up

too kind (hides)
shreddoggie
Pfurmel wrote:
Is to going to sue me for cloning a clone of a clone?


Just like sampling laws, so the answers is: if they can they will.
avinopsv
shreddoggie wrote:
Pfurmel wrote:
Is to going to sue me for cloning a clone of a clone?


Just like sampling laws, so the answers is: if they can they will.


keep playing that harp dude.

Anyway, I played one today at Switched On, and it sounds pretty amazingly close to the real thing, closer than te x0xb0x I own (and I didn't think it was possible to get much closer than that).

Wetter, squeakier filter. Aweseomness.
mckenic
Any more demos/testimonials from happy or unhappy owners?

(Just looking for some excitement while I try save up!)

Cant believe this and the MS20 are actually available!
wintchil
I get mine on wednesday. I'll post some dry demos in wav format recorded directly into the rme Multiface as soon as I get a chance.

They are coming out with a 606 as well! So nice!

Quote:
Cant believe this and the MS20 are actually available!


I can't keep but thinking, these are the best of times. It's peanut butter jelly time!
M-Circus
Is it just me, or does this thing not store the patterns you've made when you turn it off and on again? I know the manual says that it should do this, but I've found my A, AA, B and BB "banks" empty on more than one occasion. Does anyone have similar experiences? Or even better, a fix?

/M
flashheart
Pfurmel wrote:
Anyone else find the copyright mark on a cloned pcb just a tad ironic? ...

As this is surface mount and the original was through-hole I'd expect the PCBs would be different. So it may be a clone of the circuits but the PCB isn't a clone. seriously, i just don't get it
mckenic
M-Circus wrote:
Is it just me, or does this thing not store the patterns you've made when you turn it off and on again? I know the manual says that it should do this, but I've found my A, AA, B and BB "banks" empty on more than one occasion. Does anyone have similar experiences? Or even better, a fix?

/M


This is quite worrying IMO... Wonder if anyone else has it... There is supposed to be a Feb batch coming. Might be able to afford one then so would like to know if this and the vol knob issues are sorted.
kuxaan-sum
hmmmm......
I just spent a few hours playing with mine but have turned everything off.
I will check my patterns tomorrow if I have time.
I did get confused with preset modes which you can alter but then have to save to one of the patterns but I am not sure they will save automatically unless you switch the mode.
hmmm.....
I realized after my 2nd recording that my battery was dying on my camera (oops...that's why it is off d'oh! ) so I only have short clips of 3 one longer where I was playing with arpeggios.

Uploading to boobtube now.
nangu
M-Circus wrote:
Is it just me, or does this thing not store the patterns you've made when you turn it off and on again? I know the manual says that it should do this, but I've found my A, AA, B and BB "banks" empty on more than one occasion. Does anyone have similar experiences? Or even better, a fix?

There are so many banks on this thing that I've ended up in the wrong bank by accident and wondered where my patterns went. It only happened a couple times, and my stuff was always there once I looked in the right place. I hope that's all you're seeing..

The patterns are saved straight to flash memory, so they should be stored after you turn it off and on again whether you have batteries in it or not.


mckenic wrote:
..would like to know if this and the vol knob issues are sorted.

You mean the thing where a buzzing noise comes from the headphone output if you touch the volume knob with your finger? The fix is on Robin Whittle's site- it's way easy.

The noise happens because chrome plating on the volume knob is conductive. All you have to do is take the knob off and scrape away a tiny ring of plating inside the knob, right where the potentiometer shaft goes up into the knob. Robin suggests using a drill bit- I used my pocketknife instead, and I removed a lot less of the plating than he shows in the picture. It took me about ten seconds, and totally fixed the buzzing noise.
kuxaan-sum
combined the shorter clips.
One more uploading now.
REwire
Post on Matrixsynth of Robin's comparison to original and Devilfish possibilities:

http://m.matrixsynth.com/2013/01/tt-303-bass-bot-comparison-to-origina l.html
mckenic
Thank you for the info guys, jeez this GAS is getting unbearable! Imna have to sell my AFG & Timetable rather than wait,! It is that bad!!!

Thanks for the video Kuxaan-sum - great sounds but they don't help the lust smile

OT - the Particle is a WONDERFUL device ain't it!

I imagine midi timing is ok on th TT? I know it's stupid to even mention Ableton and midi timing but its either my x0x or Ableton but between the two it's sloppy as hell and quite unusable... Very disappointing so I'm hoping the TT would sync without any issues?

Thanks also for the info on Robin - I wonder if he will offer kits or pre-modded TTs. That would rock as the cost of buying one and shipping, paying re-import fees etc make the Devil Fish well out of my range at the moment!

Thanks again for your thoughts guys! Must.Get.One.A.S.A.P...
kuxaan-sum
Yes...I love sending my Miami through the Particle. Instant depth/glitch/variation.

As for the TT.
I do have some gripes. None of which are related to the functions or the sounds.

The case...I wish they used a different paint/finish.
I find it too glossy and it is also very very light weight, so much as to make it feel like a toy. I guess this can be good for traveling but I hope it is durable and will not crack easily.

I also am not sure I like the recessed LEDs.
I feel like the silk screen is slightly off on mine and when viewing at an angle it looks weird. I do like that I can change the LED colors per pattern and the LEDs are a good brightness but I guess I am used to my 303s and 606s LEDs look.

All else functionally is good.
The sound is good.
The mutate and generate functions are really cool.
I haven't tried the shift but I will admit to trying to use the tap button d'oh!

I will play with the CV/Gate, mix in and check my pattern memory tonight.
mckenic
Thanks for your opinions kuxaan-sum! Would love to see the other vid if you get a chance to upload it thumbs up

I have to be honest - I got my Particle delay and MASF Possessed within a week of each other and Ive mainly been exploring the Possessed... saying that the little time I had to grook the Particle resulted in one complete new tune and the realization I need a second Particle pedal! hihi

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kuxaan-sum
Mostly just playing with arp/random/mutate functions.
BaggerMcGuirk
God damn I need me one of these...
StepLogik
kuxaan-sum wrote:
Mostly just playing with arp/random/mutate functions.


Is the TT master or slave in this video? It sounds slightly out of sync... Could just be my ears though.
wintchil
I've had the TT-303 since Wednesday and have been putting it through it's paces.

The first thing that is an epic fail when you take it out of the box is that the knobs while turning scrape and feel awfull! Since Wednesday though they are a lot better from using it for a couple of hours every night. So it's not nearly as bad as first thought, but still the one big area for improvement. Everyting else is great.

I don't have a TB to compare this to, but I have two xoxbox's, one normal and one with the atomic mods. The one thing that I definitely can tell is, I am having more fun with the TT than either of the xoxbox's when I first got them.

The sequencer and sound seems to be an improvement to me or a step up from the xoxbox, but this is hard to quantify since the xoxbox has so many variables with chosen parts and build. I would say the sequencer is more liquid and not as rigid as the xoxbox.

Adding the sokkos OS to both of my xoxbox's really hepled with the usuability, but I am thinking of selling my modded xoxbox and getting another TT-303 in a later batch some time this year. I can always use the modular if I want to get more in depth with sounds and the mods while cool just seem to take away some how.

Attached are two demos one square and one saw recorded dry straight into the computer.
shuchoco
kuxaan-sum wrote:
combined the shorter clips.
One more uploading now.


great demos. you sold me on this thing. thanks!
kuxaan-sum
StepLogik wrote:
kuxaan-sum wrote:
Mostly just playing with arp/random/mutate functions.


Is the TT master or slave in this video? It sounds slightly out of sync... Could just be my ears though.


You know I was thinking the same thing as I was recording and I think I even pressed stop and restarted a few times (Machinedrum was master) but I wonder if pattern I wrote was 15 bars. hmmm.....
Each time I started the machinedrum it seems to lock on the same and other patterns sound tight so ???

Here are a few more vids testing the cv/gate out:
kuxaan-sum
mckenic
LOVING the sounds and videos you are posting guys - thanks so much! Really inspiring stuff!

thumbs up

Thank you!
M-Circus
mckenic wrote:
M-Circus wrote:
Is it just me, or does this thing not store the patterns you've made when you turn it off and on again? I know the manual says that it should do this, but I've found my A, AA, B and BB "banks" empty on more than one occasion. Does anyone have similar experiences? Or even better, a fix?

/M


This is quite worrying IMO... Wonder if anyone else has it... There is supposed to be a Feb batch coming. Might be able to afford one then so would like to know if this and the vol knob issues are sorted.


I can confirm that my patterns were all there. I had just misunderstood something regarding the layout of the banks. d'oh!

Sorry that I worried you unnecessary.
mckenic
thumbs up

Really appreciate the update sir!!!
Glad you didnt lose anything!
iVardensphere
Just got mine. Sounds pretty killer, to be honest.

I'm not very impressed with the lack of centring of some of the knobs in the holes on the face plate. I have multiple knobs so far offset that they touch the face plate. The cutoff knob actually gets really hard to turn on the last 20% clockwise. very frustrating
04tm34l3
ordered from syntaur...

the waiting begins...



anybody have a ts 303 to demo this with?
computer controlled
Got mine today from Switched On Austin. Quick overview so far:

    Feels a bit cheaper than the TB. It's made of lighter weight plastic. Even with batteries in, it's lighter than the TB.
    I don't like the gloss finish. I much prefer the matte finish of the TB.
    Don't like the big CYCLONE logo on the upper left. I hope someone makes some overlays to use at some point.
    The switches have almost no throw to them, so they feel weird at first.
    Seems to have more beef than any of my x0xb0xes ever had.
    You can't get that Filter Accent "whao" sound that the TB has at a certain setting. Pretty disappointing.
    I like the colored LED thing.
    The Gen and Mutate functions are great!
    The knobs hitting the case doesn't bother me at all.
    Overall, i like it. Editing is almost exactly like the TB, just oh so slightly different.
    I also like to be able to copy and paste, add Mutate to a copied pattern for slightly different versions for fills or whatever.


I haven't touched the Presets or the Arp. Probably never will.


Untitled by Computer Controlled, on Flickr
d2ba
Click here A/B whoa sound TT-303 and TB-303
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW_ro0w9_j4&feature=youtu.be


If i still had a 303, i would. I figured it would be blatantly obvious what that meant =o] Use these setting on your 303:

Cutoff = 0
Reso = 10
EnvMod = 0
Decay... doesn't matter
Accent = 10

Now program a pattern with some accents. When it hits the accented notes, rather than just get louder, it makes a "whao" sound. Almost like a slow attack on the VCF. It's a pretty integral part of the 303 sound, and if you're going to make a clone, you should probably get it all right =o]

You can hear it here: https://soundcloud.com/ajondo/tb-303-waho-02
Listen to the accent note.
mckenic
Sorry for being off topic but I think I may be going a little insane here...

I was doing d2ba's test above thru headphones and started messing about with the Decay on my x0x (Cutoff-0, Res-10, Env-0, Accent-10)...

Is this sound normal??? An I just hearing things?
There seems to be little clicks behind the notes and the more the decay is increased the more 'in rhythm' they became until at 10 it was like a bass drum behind the notes question Is this usual for TB, TT, x0x ??? Can anyone else hear it or am I mad - should I have been reaching for the decay knob all this time!?!?

Its a little loud - so watch your speakers -

0-33s slowly turning the decay from 0 to about 10 o' clock.
33-55s the '2nd beat' coming in?
55-on turning the decay from 10-0-10-0 to hear the sharp contrast.

http://www.mckenic.com/x0x.wav

Thanks for any thoughts - its freaking me out as Ive not heard this before...
bmot
can you post the exact pattern i'll give it a try. I know that on the xOx accents on rests gives a small extra sound when accent is over 50%. There is also a nice bug (I assume it's a bug anyway) that adds very short staccato notes to rests if you transpose up (Previous + Up) while in Edit mode and while pattern is running. I've never seen this documented but you can get some interesting variations. If I remember correctly, it adds really short low notes that you wouldn't normally be able to programme in with the sequencer.
d2ba
from "The VCO"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQr74oWerI0&feature=youtu.be

heres one last demo for the sequencer slide and accent anybody who says the tbs sequencer has a different feel must be crazy!!!
REwire
d2ba wrote:
from "The VCO"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQr74oWerI0&feature=youtu.be

heres one last demo for the sequencer slide and accent anybody who says the tbs sequencer has a different feel must be crazy!!!


Feels the same and has the Whoa snap but, the resonance isn't there on the TT at high settings.

I have two midi 303s and one is super squealy and the other more like the TT. Wonder if it needs calibrating and if so, could the TT be brought up to squealy levels.
computer controlled
The resonance on my TT is pretty nice. It seems to hit closer to home than any of the x0x's have.
computer controlled
Here is the TT in action in the real world.

https://soundcloud.com/computer-controlled/feel-so-good

This is just the TT and Octatrack. The TT is run through Ableton's Multiband Compressor, D16's Syntorus and Simple Delay.
mckenic
bmot wrote:
can you post the exact pattern i'll give it a try.


Thanks bmot! That is GOOD to know - might just be Ive overlooked many cool features of my x0x for too long!!!

Pattern is 8 steps (I think, step 9 has the Done led lit).

1. E
2. E
3. G
4. F - accent & slide on.
5. E
6. F
7. D - slide on.
8. A - (down oct) accent on.

Thanks guys for the continuing demos - it is great to hear the TT being used and raw! Much appreciated!

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VCOscillator
mckenic wrote:
Sorry for being off topic but I think I may be going a little insane here...

I was doing d2ba's test above thru headphones and started messing about with the Decay on my x0x (Cutoff-0, Res-10, Env-0, Accent-10)...

Is this sound normal??? An I just hearing things?
There seems to be little clicks behind the notes and the more the decay is increased the more 'in rhythm' they became until at 10 it was like a bass drum behind the notes question Is this usual for TB, TT, x0x ??? Can anyone else hear it or am I mad - should I have been reaching for the decay knob all this time!?!?

Its a little loud - so watch your speakers -

0-33s slowly turning the decay from 0 to about 10 o' clock.
33-55s the '2nd beat' coming in?
55-on turning the decay from 10-0-10-0 to hear the sharp contrast.

http://www.mckenic.com/x0x.wav

Thanks for any thoughts - its freaking me out as Ive not heard this before...


I think it may vary between builds but the X0X that I had had fairly audible clicks when the decay overlapped from one note to the next. Seemed to happen mainly at low cutoff settings with mine thumbs up
Altitude909
Thats the click from the free running VCO you're hearing. That's normal for x0x/303s/clones. What causes it is the fact there is no sync between the envelope and the VCO so when the gate fires, it can open up anywhere on the waveform and if its on a "high" point on the waveform you get a small click as a result. This is why its also rhythmic and changes with pitch. Some software clones actually have the ability to turn this off and it makes a big difference, its a pretty integral part of the 303 sound IMHO.

There are other sources of clicks though, there is also a VCA pop for a DC offset issue with the BA6110/662A. On the 303 you had dotted 662A which were selected for low DC offset bias. It was never addressed on the x0x which is why those tend to be clicky (but there were several patches developed to fix that issue). The SH-101 actually has a place on the PCB for a trim pot to adjust that issue (which inspired my x0x fix) but it was never populated, which I assume was because it was cheaper to select low offset parts to start with than add a trimmer and adjust it on each unit.

On the x0x in particular there is also a nasty click caused by a fast transient from the gate going high. There has been a lot of speculation about the root cause of this and there has never been a conclusion to that discussion. Personally, I like the theory that the power supply is too stiff in the x0x but I dont really have anything to back it up other than Brian Castro abandoning the voltage doubler in the x0x in favor of the original switching PSU in the 303 (which the TT also has)
mckenic
Sorry for the sidetrack guys - I do sincerely appreciate the info! I didn't realize the clicking of x0x was such a thing! I have to say - I like the quirkiness of it!!!

Stupid perhaps but then I got used to the Monotribe VCA hihi

Many thanks!
mckenic
Stupid question if I could impose upon a TT 303 owner or two please?

Can you give an example of the sequencer please? Like hitting Random 4 or 5 times and then the Morph control?

Im having lots of fun hitting the random 'Chain' on me x0x but I'd LOVE to hear how the TT spits out random patterns if ya could?

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computer controlled
The Morph control is basically the same as the random on the x0xb0x. It randomizes the sequence based on the input data. The Gen feature creates sequences on it's own. No need for anything to be in the sequencer.
mckenic
Thanks! I guess you could Gen and Morph till your hearts content! I imagine its quick and inspirational!

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wintchil
Navigating the sequencer in the bass bot is a joyous exoerience. Messing around with the presets patterns and mutating is all very easy. I like it alot more than sokkos os.

It's great to just tweak things live into a performance all within one pattern.
computer controlled
There's been a few times when the Gen feature has saved me.
wednesday
Anyone have any info about the supposed updates in the 'new-batch' of TT-303's? It seems like Robin Whittle has updated his info page about the unit to remove any indication of this happening...don't know if I should be waiting to pick one up.
nangu
Syntaur has some in stock- I don't know whether that means the new batch is in. Maybe those are from the last batch.

Has anybody figured out the key combination to initiate a sysex dump from the front panel? I'm getting tired of waiting for them to release the dedicated app that the manual tells you to use.

I would go fishing for the the key combo myself, but there are some killer patterns on mine that a friend made- I don't want to risk losing them by stumbling across the initialize command instead of the dump command. At some point, I managed to put in into a blinky mode that seemed like a confirmation screen- then I chickened out and cancelled..
Northbest
I find these sound thin compared to x0xb0xes or the real thing. I do wonder if that's just me though. :(
computer controlled
nangu wrote:
Syntaur has some in stock- I don't know whether that means the new batch is in. Maybe those are from the last batch.

Has anybody figured out the key combination to initiate a sysex dump from the front panel? I'm getting tired of waiting for them to release the dedicated app that the manual tells you to use.

I would go fishing for the the key combo myself, but there are some killer patterns on mine that a friend made- I don't want to risk losing them by stumbling across the initialize command instead of the dump command. At some point, I managed to put in into a blinky mode that seemed like a confirmation screen- then I chickened out and cancelled..


Syntaur has had them in stock for a while now. Cyclone have been completely and totally silent.
computer controlled
Northbest wrote:
I find these sound thin compared to x0xb0xes or the real thing. I do wonder if that's just me though. :(


It's just you
Northbest
A couple of friends I was with felt the same way. I bet it was just the speaker. seriously, i just don't get it
computer controlled
I guarantee it is not thinner sounding than a 303 or an x0xb0x.
wednesday
Got mine today and as far as I can tell it sounds exactly like a 303 love

Have the same issues as everyone else with the scratchy volume knob and misaligned pots...don't care too much though
computer controlled
Do your sequencer patterns play properly?
wednesday
I have not noticed the bug you were experiencing but I'll try it out later tonight.
wednesday
computer controlled

There is something weird going on with the ends and beginnings of sequences. I can't tell if its exactly the issue you were having but something's up smokin'


edit: Also, wasn't I supposed to get a bag with this?? Did anyone get the bag?
computer controlled
I didn't get a bag either. I don't think any are supposed to be included.

Here's something to try. Program a sequence, then make a blank one. Play the programmed sequence then go to the blank one. If it's like mine, it'll play the last note of the programmed sequence. Inversely, if you go to the programmed sequence from the blank one, the first note won't play.
mckenic
Sorry for the necro bump but...

HOLY FUCKING CRAP!!!
WOW!

Huge thanks to Escape From Noise - my TT arrived here safe and sound today - the sequencer is EXACTLY what I was hoping for! Man this thing is so inspirational! And the Decay knob is the same mental as my x0xb0x in that it kinda reveals 'hidden' stuff within the sequence when cranked -
Im in L love VE

http://www.mckenic.com/tt.aif

Just the Decay cranked then Cutoff tweaked and Decay played with again - waah Love this box so much!
BaggerMcGuirk
Link doesn't seem to work for me...

Also damn you for making me want this again. razz
mckenic
Should be working now question

Its nothing fantastic, just the decay setting really but if ya cant get it I can try Soundcloud thumbs up

Also - if your even considering it... Go! Its cheap plastic for a fair bit of cash but its NOT $2,000 and I LOVE the Insta DJ OS so far - the seq is PERFECT!

Prolly because Ive been watching and listening to 303 vids & mp3s forever, its just the 2nd piece of gear I ever had that I went "Oh yeah, thats how you do that. I bet if I did that i would work like this." Instantly clicked with it - the only other time that has ever happened to me was the EMU Emulator software and hardware hihi
Rayek
Bringin' this thread back...

My bandmate has built a x0xb0x, and it sounds great, but we were both looking for a "dual-303" sound/setup. I was wondering, for those who have both a x0x and this TT, if it's worth the extra 200-300 USD?

I like the form factor a lot, but it's missing dinsync, which seems like a no-brainer add for an acid machine, and that's kind of helped me make the decision to go x0x, but in all of the demos I'm hearing, the TT seems more 'acidic'. I wonder if anyone's attempted a dinsync mod to their TT and how complex of a mod that would be?
mckenic
I am deliriously happy with the sequencer and the random/generating side of things. I am delighted with the sound and in love with the form factor.

Then again, I am a bit of an eejit!

I messed up the Accent of my x0x a teeny bit when I added the x0xio but the extra distortion tones were worth doing the mod - now Im delighted to have that crazy ass accent back and even a little more it seems!

If you already have a x0x and have the cash - why not try the TT. I couldnt get my head around the x0x programming or randomizing (its prolly very simple or exactly the same) but I fell in love with the TT.

TO ME - The TT is NOT worth $200/300 extra in sound or build quality over how my unmodded x0x was. It is MORE THAN worth it in usage/tuning/jamming/sequencing... for me.
Rayek
mckenic wrote:
I am deliriously happy with the sequencer and the random/generating side of things. I am delighted with the sound and in love with the form factor.

Then again, I am a bit of an eejit!

I messed up the Accent of my x0x a teeny bit when I added the x0xio but the extra distortion tones were worth doing the mod - now Im delighted to have that crazy ass accent back and even a little more it seems!

If you already have a x0x and have the cash - why not try the TT. I couldnt get my head around the x0x programming or randomizing (its prolly very simple or exactly the same) but I fell in love with the TT.

TO ME - The TT is NOT worth $200/300 extra in sound or build quality over how my unmodded x0x was. It is MORE THAN worth it in usage/tuning/jamming/sequencing... for me.


Thanks! thumbs up

I'm going to have to deal with my constant desire of updating my euro and lusting over acidic gear. I could conceivably get an acid duo (606 + tt303) but that would probably have to do it for a while....

hmmmm
rjungemann
How's the CV out on it? Of course it'd be awesome to have a 303 but it would also be nice to sequence a modular with.

I'm aware the voltage is an additional +0.33V above a regular 303 or something like that which is fine but does it track close enough to 1V/Oct to be useful?
mckenic
Sorry for the crap audio/video... I was testing the unexpected latency I was getting monitoring thru my Ultralite. The latency suddenly appeared and thankfully resolved after a re-boot.

But it is a quick capture of the 111-5 being sequenced by the TT. Can do a better test if you like.



As for tuning, I put the TT in 'Midi' mode and played an A. Opened the VCA of the 111-5 and tuned it to the TT by ear... simple thumbs up
computer controlled
Din Sync is irrelevant in this day and age. Who cares HOW something syncs? Fact is, it's probably not worth it for the makers to bother, since everything has MIDI now.

Also, beware of the sequencer bug that some units have.
mckenic
A quick test of the Arp function of the Bass Bot TT303.



You can see at the beginning Im using Slot 1, Bank (BB), Pattern 8 as the arp source. The arp plays pattern length, slide and accent based on the pattern selected and within the range of notes the user chooses.

Drums are a single loop from the iPad app DM1. iPad output is going in to the TT303 Mix-In socket so everything is in mono.

Lots of fun and you can see the wobbly TT303 pots a little towards the end. Still, love this little monster!
pelican
I wish everything came with rainbow led's
mckenic
Im such an idiot and Im SO glad there is the colour option. Id be lost!!!

Each slot can hold a 64 step pattern so until the back-up software surfaces, Im grouping patterns that can can be chained together by led colour. As you can see above, the 1st 6 slots hold 2 related patterns - 128 steps. 1&2, 3&4, 5&6. Where slots 7 & 8 are 'stand alone' 64 step patterns!

SO easy to grok whats going on at a glance! Love it!

On another note - Ive heard that the software is supposed to come at the end of this month and the Drum Drone is due the end of the year! Here is hoping!!!
Rayek
computer controlled wrote:
Din Sync is irrelevant in this day and age. Who cares HOW something syncs? Fact is, it's probably not worth it for the makers to bother, since everything has MIDI now.


not this shit again

Until I can plug this into the Roland gear that this matches, I care HOW things sync. Especially when it means I have to spend 500 dollars more on a converter that doesn't even do a proper job converting the signal. I'd be down for ripping the MIDI completely out and replacing its uselessness with Din Sync, seeing as a 606 is probably the next buy.
computer controlled
MIDI/Sync converters are cheap and do a fine job of conversion. If you're paying $500 for one, you're getting ripped off. Buying vintage comes with trade offs, that usually means buying something extra to interface it with modern gear. Also, seeing as this is INPUT only by default, just like the 303/606, again, it wouldn't be of much good as it cannot act as a converter. Want a killer converter? Buy an x0xb0x, you get a synth and sequencer attached as well. Novation Drum Station also. There are so many options available, smaller companies don't care to bother. Of course, if you had the Analog Four, you'd be covered on all fronts =o]
mckenic
Well Ive now run in to my first 'Oh FUCK!' with the TT...

My splitter cable is borked - just nothing coming in/out from it. Midi IN works when the cable is bypassed and did a continuity test to some points of the MIDI In/out female connectors to the 8 pin male connector - nothing...

So I need (badly) a new splitter cable and Ive been thinking, while Im at it Id like a back-up PSU and a back-up knob/button set... JIC.

Hopefully Ulf or Superior Sound can sort it out - fingers crossed.

In the interim - anyone know the pin-out of the splitter cable? I could prolly diy one while I wait...
a scanner darkly
So I guess this would also work as a makeshift MIDI to CV converter? How is it used that way?
mckenic
Umm kinda - but kinda not...

I found, you cant use it as a midi 'module'. You can get tempo and sequence start/stop over midi but that is it in my experience. It only outputs the midi from the currently playing sequence on the Bass Bot.

When your in Midi mode on the machine, you can press the keys and midi is sent to an external module (for example) and also out the CV/Gate outs. But playing midi to it and expecting it out the CV/Gate outs didn't work for me.

All that said - I want to let everyone know about the EXCELLENT, QUICK and very, very FRIENDLY service I got from Ulf at Escape from Noise and Superior Sounds London. I mailed em and Martin at Superior Sound fired off a replacement cable to me no fuss! Got it very quickly and everything is back up and running 100% - Im totally DELIGHTED!

DAMN! I love this as a sequencer for Eurorack - its made me think of getting rid of my Euro sequencers. Think but not do but I never thought Id even consider letting my Rene go!

nanners
a scanner darkly
Ah, ok. So just to clarify, when in MIDI mode it will respond to incoming MIDI notes but it won't output anything from the CV/Gate, and when not in MIDI mode it outputs the current pattern from both MIDI out and CV/Gate and it will still respond to MIDI clock/start/stop?
qu.one
http://www.cyclone-analogic.fr/en/attachment.php?id_attachment=19
a scanner darkly
Thanks, and yes, I can see from the manual that it will always respond to MIDI clock, that you can select whether it will respond to incoming MIDI notes or output MIDI notes by selecting MIDI channel, and that it will respond to incoming MIDI notes when in MIDI mode and it will output MIDI notes from the current pattern when it's in Run mode. I was simply asking for confirmation that I understood it correctly from somebody who used it this way.

As for CV the only time it's mentioned in the manual is this:
Quote:

CV / Gate Out Jacks: These outputs are the synthesizer engine’s Gate and Control Voltage (CV) signals.
They can be used to control other analog synthesizers that accept a (1 volt / octave) control voltage input.
mckenic
Humm...

I seem to be doing things ass ways so according to the manual... gonna test it out ASAP. Never got it to respond to note data from the 'puter but I'll test it and send the CV output to my Euro and report back!
qu.one
I don't even have one! Just trying to help.
a scanner darkly
^ sorry, I took it as the RTFM response (which IMO is completely fine when people ask for something obvious without doing homework, i just thought it wasn't warranted in my case).

mckenic - thanks, appreciate that! I'm getting one end of this week and will run some tests as well.

I wonder if this is how it works: the synth engine gets its notes from MIDI in and keyboard when in MIDI mode, and from the internal sequencer when in Run mode. If the CV/gate doesn't output from MIDI in that means the CV/Gate is generated directly from the sequencer, and the sequencer is not running when in MIDI mode, so there is no CV/Gate.
computer controlled
I never even thought to try to use it as a MIDI/CV Converter.
zahush76
So now with the new larger cpu for the x0xb0x and new OS, i wonder how does the TT303 compares to it:
http://yhype.com/x0xlarge/

http://antto.pwnz.org/cms/projects/n0nx0x2.html
Luap
zahush76 wrote:
So now with the new larger cpu for the x0xb0x and new OS, i wonder how does the TT303 compares to it:
http://yhype.com/x0xlarge/

http://antto.pwnz.org/cms/projects/n0nx0x2.html


Im still very wary of the whole TT deal, as I mentioned some pages ago in this thread, so I won't go over old ground..

But while we're on the subject, what on earth happened to the Devilfish TT-303? If these things really are so similar to the real deal, then it shouldn't take this many months and more for a Devilfished TT-303..

Also, there is a small chance that 'Guest' who is creating a mini x0xb0x, may use the Xlarge type CPU for its sequencer. Which would be very cool, but it's really too early to tell what direction he'll take with that yet.
Still, a x0xb0x in any shape or form was/is intended as a DIY project. Not so for the TT-303. For many folks that will stop the comparisons dead right there.
REwire
I finally picked up a TT-Bot to go with and compare with my two Midi TB-303s (quicksilver n Colin Fraser) and am so surprised at how good it is!

I had an X0XB0X for a while and tried the customized Mode Machines and TT Modded versions of them and was put off but the TT-Bot is closest I've ever heard.

Soundwise there is but a small difference in sound and it is when the resonance is high and there is an accented octave down slide that the real 303 has a slight lagging rezzy whistle that's absent on the TT and newer clones. I would attribute it to 30 year old components and may have not done that in 83 even though it's awesome!

I am teetering on selling my Quicksilver 303 but the O.S. is still better as a sequencer and easier to program than the TT-bot. And honestly, I thought the TT's Insta-DJ patterns would be better.

Dan
darenager
This thing about components aging having an impact on the sound is not really true - at least based on my own experience, I have recordings made in 1988 on my 303 and there is no major difference in sound to how it sounds today, also if you listen to records recorded in the 80's they don't really sound any different either - i.e it is still the same fundamental sound if programmed on a 303 today.

Not saying this just in respect of the TT/TB but also the MS20mini/MS20

Most likely it is due to the fact that different spec components are used and a different circuit layout, in 30 years time they will probably sound almost exactly as they do today.

Having said this I think the TT sounds decent enough from some of the stuff I have heard, but like most x0x's, close rather than exact emulation.
Carl Oliver
Does anyone else have a 15ms delay with Midi clock going in or out?
I have tried midi clock from a MMT8, 707 and a RX7.
The TT is obviously running 15ms behind.
Anyone want to do a test.

I matched up rimshots and a 16 step one note sequence on the tt.
Ran both channels into ableton and used the track delay to get them in sync. What I found is a -15ms on the TT makes it sit nice with everything else.
computer controlled
Mine is solid.
Carl Oliver
Picture file
View the image link above.

The Kick is on the top.
The Bass Bot is on the bottom.

Same thing with different clocks and different cables.
I hope this is a defect on this particular machine.

It sounds way too sweet to have this issue.....

Any help would be great.
mckenic
I cant help as I cant figure out what was going on but... I was getting CRAZY latency initially using Ableton. Posted a youtube vid about it...

Now I use the TT and MD connected by MIDI and then record that - took Live 8 out of the equation. Not done a lot of testing TBH. Have you tried a different host?
zahush76
What kind of latency? Monitoring latency - or "real" latency?
Carl Oliver
The Latency is on the hardware side.
Ableton is not being used for a clock source, Just to record audio.
I made sure Ableton was not the issue.

I am getting the latency using hardware to hardware midi. I have tested midi clock to the TT from a MMT8, RX7 and 707.

The latency runs both ways from the bass bot. Slave or Master.

The 15ms delay looks to be constant and does not depend on the tempo of the master clock.

Even when sending midi note events from the MMT8 I am surprised to see the same amount of latency, 15ms.

This kind of reminds me of the MC202 issues with the processor and midi lag time.

I could live with a little bit of latency but 15ms is really noticeable.

I am really wondering if this true for all Bass Bots or is this one defective.

I got the Acid Blues......
Carl Oliver
Any takers on running a latency test on the bass bot?
technotron
I'm really interested in the TT-303, but would never buy it if it has this noticeable lag.
3001
I think mine had lag, I could not tell if it was that or the MFB503... both I heard have had issues... seriously, i just don't get it

but both drove me nuts in that regard. I'm so sick of midi very frustrating
Xmit
Quote:
I'm really interested in the TT-303, but would never buy it if it has this noticeable lag


^
ditto. I've been toying with with the idea of getting one, but if the thing's not tight to MIDI clock then it's a no-go. Can this really be true ? some sort of definitive answer as to whether all BassBots have a timing/ clock problem would indeed be handy....
technotron
I asked on another forum, and some guy said he didn't notice any lag when synced from TR-909 and MPC 2500. This is of course not definitive though.

Sounds pretty synced up in this video also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtB92gqDjmU
mckenic
Is there a definitive test I could do?

Looking at the gear I have in the room around me, TT obviously, x0xb0x, MD UW, Monotribe, 505, modular, Mac Mini & iPad... anything else would have to wait until tomorrow but if there is a test procedure I could do I'd be happy to help!
Xmit
^

great offer dude. Any of those sync'd to the TT as both master & slave would be good... I'd be particularly interested in how the BassBot plays with MIDI clock to/ from the MD UW, as I'd be using one with a Machinedrum too.

I guess adding things on as part of a thru chain couldn't hurt either.

thanks mate.
antto
mckenic wrote:
Is there a definitive test I could do?

i can give you some pointers on how to do a decent comparison with another machine (which we'll have to assume works properly, so the machinedrum should be it, i guess)

settings:
- program a simple "dadadada" pattern on the TT, don't put any slides, use high-pitched notes - the higher - the better, also push the TUNE knob all the way up
- program a similar pattern on the MD, use a short, sharp sound (RimShot/ClosedHat or something)
- Hook the MD on the L input channel
- Hook the TT on the R input channel
- no effects/mixers/pedals, just directly into the soundcard please
- tempo of 60BPM should be okay, you can repeat all tests at 180 and 30 if you want, but a single test at 60BPM should be enough for a start
- use a lossless format, because stuff like mp3 f*cks up noisy transients and sharp edges..

Test1 - Master:
- set the TT as Master, slave the MD to it
- record a few bars

Test2 - Slaved:
- set the MD as Master, slave the TT to it
- record a few bars
mckenic
Ok!

I do apologize in advance if this is not what y'all were asking. I must admit I know my MD less than I find desirable but Im getting better so if these are not suitable let me know and I'll try do better.

TT settings are -

TUNING - fully CW.
CUTOFF - fully CCW.
RESONANCE - fully CW.
ENV MOD - 8 o' clock.
DECAY & ACCENT - fully CCW.

So 1st file, MD_MASTER.aif is the MD as master. MD in the Left channel - TT in the Right. On the MD I put a hit on steps 1/5/9/13 and on the TT its a 16 step pattern with a note on 1/3/5/7/9/11/13/15. I pressed play then stop on the MD, did this again and then let it run. Initial MD tempo is set to 60bpm - it drops to 35bpm and then climbs to 85 bpm.

2nd file, TT_MASTER.aif is the same thing (I forgot to save the kit on the MD - see I dont know it as well as I should! - so the hit is a different timbre) with the TT as master and the MD set to External Tempo and Control. This time I mess about with the TT tempo knob.

Recorded in DSP Quattro at 44.1, 16 bit.

Hope this is of some use but if not I am happy to test again if my knowledge of the machines is up to scratch!

Hug

Dave

http://www.mckenic.com/TT_MD_TEST.zip

[EDIT] Oops - yes... recorded straight out of the MD & TT, no fx. Straight in to an Ultralite MK.I with +1db of Ultralite gain boost on the left & right channel. thumbs up
Altitude909
wow. tt is definitely late when slaved, I measure about 20 ms average. Looks like a fair amount of jitter as well since it's not consistent. MD is "tight like man's anus" as Borat would say


pelican
If you can hear 1/50th of a second your ears are way better than mine
antto
mckenic: wow, i kinda didn't expect that kind of difference
if we assume that the MD has proper midi implementation (according to the midi spec) then it must be the TT doing things wrong
i originally meant the patterns to be just filled on every step "dadada" and the filter on the TT open with no resonance
but in this case, the difference is so big that it doesn't matter

perhaps, if anyone else would do another such test (with another drum machine) fill the patterns

i've had a number of such bugs in my sequencer since it's very easy to make mistakes around the sync code
antto
when the TT is slaved:
first note after a start - the TT starts before the master
after that, i can't tell if it's following the right clock tick, there is a constant latency of about 850 samples (hard to tell precisely) maybe it's doing the rainbow LED animation before it fires the notes seriously, i just don't get it

when the TT is master:
uhm, well, *disclaimer* i cannot be sure from that recording, but it appears that the MD is starting earlier as well
Altitude909
pelican wrote:
If you can hear 1/50th of a second your ears are way better than mine


That may be true but people whine about USB latency and 20 mS is almost 3 times as bad as the worst USB interface I tested. The bigger question is why is it off when the MD syncs to the TT just fine but not vice-versa? It sounds like some people's units are worse than others
amnesia
new TT update
http://cyclone-analogic.com/instadj_v1-1/
antto
yeah, so, the usual mistake around the sync implementation
perhaps they learned their lesson now
mckenic
Ooh er!!!

Nice. Will have to check it out!

In all fairness, you couldn't pry the TT from my sticky fingers. Excellent Eurorack sequencer and I use it for distorted drums & squelches - here is a bit of context of what I want it to do - same set-up as lastnight but N.I. Drive on the drums...

www.mckenic.com/MTDT3U0W3.aif

Last few bars are just constantly clicking 'Mutate'

hyper
pelican
Wow, that's a big update
amnesia
I am doing the update and it says "Please release the Write button now".

I press the write button but nothing changes on the GUI.
amnesia
Ah I missed the first part about holding the button down.
Carl Oliver
The 1.1 firmware update fixed the midi sync latency issue 100%. Mine now syncs super tight! Thanks for the help. Now lets all go make some Acid! smile
Norma
Wow! They finally released the long awaited update! So cool!
mckenic
Not booted up my PC yet to try the software but certainly will if it fixes the midi thingy!!!

One other thing please - what is the Cyclone Studio application? Can I FINALLY bulk dump and back-up patterns? hyper
FDA
Hi

First post here I do post occasionally on other forums too!

The FW update while welcome does not contain the tap time functionality. I've already fed this back- The more requests for this the more chance they will incorporate it

The CA site is now up and running so feedback any suggestions or comments there.
wintchil
mckenic wrote:
Not booted up my PC yet to try the software but certainly will if it fixes the midi thingy!!!

One other thing please - what is the Cyclone Studio application? Can I FINALLY bulk dump and back-up patterns? hyper


You find time to do ths yet? I'm on a PC and want to do it if it's solid and there are no issues with the program to flash the firmware.
DanielW
I'm starting to think maybe I should get one of these. However, I'm about as interested in playing acid basslines as I would be playing the rock'n'roll equivalent – AC/DC riffs on an electric guitar. Love both, but it's so DONE.

So I'm looking for demos and other examples on how to use the 303 in a different manner. I love Plastikman's Consumed, which of course is an excellent example of just that. But any help is welcome.
amnesia
dub it

great sequencer for euro
computer controlled
DanielW wrote:
I'm starting to think maybe I should get one of these. However, I'm about as interested in playing acid basslines as I would be playing the rock'n'roll equivalent – AC/DC riffs on an electric guitar. Love both, but it's so DONE.

So I'm looking for demos and other examples on how to use the 303 in a different manner. I love Plastikman's Consumed, which of course is an excellent example of just that. But any help is welcome.


Use it for Bass, that's about it. Makes for some good dub bass also.
GrantB
DanielW

like this:

mckenic
wintchil wrote:
mckenic wrote:
Not booted up my PC yet to try the software but certainly will if it fixes the midi thingy!!!

One other thing please - what is the Cyclone Studio application? Can I FINALLY bulk dump and back-up patterns? hyper


You find time to do ths yet? I'm on a PC and want to do it if it's solid and there are no issues with the program to flash the firmware.


Yes sir but also NO! The same feckin problem I have updating the x0x - the software cant find my TT. My main system is a Mac so the pc laptop is old and clunky but with an MBox2 or a cheapie USB midi interface - the software saw neither so I couldnt update very frustrating

Hurry with the Mac version please!!!

It seems like the software CAN back-up patterns. With the TT in Firmware write mode there was no adverse effect not completing the update (as the software never saw the TT I guess)... the TT just went back to normal mode after a little while...

Waiting for the OS X software!
amnesia
i ran Parallels with Win8 and it worked on my Mac
mckenic
The brother has a WIN 8 laptop imna ask him if I can try the generic USB Midi and try that...

Parallels is a last resort (if the Mac software is not forthcoming) as I'd have to buy Parallels and Win8. The only disks I have around are XP hihi

Its GREAT to know that that way works successfully tho thumbs up
DanielW
GrantB wrote:
DanielW

like this:




TM404 is awesome!
introvert
Has anyone heard any new news about Robin Whittle's development on the TT-303 Devilfish?

I'm about to sell a bunch of gear to get a Devilfish, but if the TT-303 Devilfish is close then I would be really interested to know if I should hold off and wait.

Thanks
pelican
He hasn't worked on it yet. Talked to him the other day. Gonna prob be next year or longer
introvert
Awesome man! Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like I'll stay on track and go with a TB.

I appreciate the quick response man
pelican
No problem. Wish it was sooner as i'm on the waiting list
computer controlled
You might want to look into the x0xi0 modded x0xb0x. It's a Devilfish x303%.

http://www.alphazone1.com/x0xi0/

pelican
Not a fan of any xox
computer controlled
And why exactly is that?
pelican
Not gonna start a debate and go off topic. Just don't like them, and never have. Don't like normal 303's either, but the devilfish twisted we're not worthy
kuxaan-sum
computer controlled wrote:
You might want to look into the x0xi0 modded x0xb0x. It's a Devilfish x303%.

http://www.alphazone1.com/x0xi0/



How are you liking it?
computer controlled
I think they're great. Well worth the money. Sounds fantastic and almost semi-modular. Wonderful machine really.
introvert
Yeah, I've been looking into the x0xi0 too. I think they look and sound killer and the price point is much more acceptable. I mean, I could snag one of those and a moded MC-202 for the same price as a devilfish...

I'd love to try one in person
computer controlled
You should get one!
Xmit
I think Robin Whittle is planning to Devilfish the TT-303, no ?
introvert
Xmit wrote:
I think Robin Whittle is planning to Devilfish the TT-303, no ?


Yeah, Looks like they are more than a year out though sad
introvert
Are the x0xi0 available pre built anywhere other than the rare occasion that they pop up on ebay? I would trust myself with building kit... but I'm way to eager and want to groove on it NOW!!

Those x0xi0 look pretty great! Thanks for refreshing my memory
computer controlled
Not at the moment. Brian is working on something else, so i don't think he has any pre-built units in stock. I got lucky and got my kit off E-Bay for $400 hihi hihi

Ask around, keep looking on the 'bay, if you're not on the Analogue Heaven mailing list, maybe join up, i see them pop up from time to time on there. It's really all a bit of luck ATM.
Skaput
Just bagged one of these, £420 on uk Ebay now. There seems to be one left at this price now.

Was going to get a volca bass, but could not resist at this price.
amnesia
I have one for sale new in box ( I bought 3) US$600 PM me if interested.
drewtoothpaste
Computer Controlled - did you ever figure out the thing where it cuts off sound when you change patterns? I noticed you mentioning this awhile back and it's been my main reason for not buying one so far.
amnesia
I have 3 bassbots and none do that
computer controlled
drewtoothpaste wrote:
Computer Controlled - did you ever figure out the thing where it cuts off sound when you change patterns? I noticed you mentioning this awhile back and it's been my main reason for not buying one so far.


It was a bug in the sequencer. Has been fixed in the new firmware release.
Cymatics
So is general consensus that this sounds more 303 than a well built X0Xbox? Does it nail the accent?

I'm very tempted to buy one..
Luap
Cymatics wrote:
So is general consensus that this sounds more 303 than a well built X0Xbox? Does it nail the accent?

I'm very tempted to buy one..


Thats a can of worms that I think has been covered here already.
The x0x has more in common with regards to parts and schematics. But is generally intended to be a DIY kit, so it is somewhat at the mercy of the builder.
The TT has more in common with regards to appearance. And needs no assembly of course.

6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
I'd listen to some demo's and see what jams your donut.

I happen to prefer the x0xb0xes myself for reasons listed elsewhere in this thread. But each to their own thumbs up
computer controlled
It sounds as good as a properly built x0xb0x.
Annwn
Any idea if the TT-606 is still coming to fruition?

It seems new analogue drum machines are all the rage again so a 606 clone would seem pretty swell.
natallica
It looks like several places are selling these new for cheaper now.

Anyone know if this is a permanent price drop?
mckenic
Yeah it looks like its €170 less than I paid... Jesus!

If the Drum Drone 606 ever sees the light of day, I wont fall for that again - I'll wait!
Skaput
natallica wrote:
It looks like several places are selling these new for cheaper now.

Anyone know if this is a permanent price drop?


the invoice that came in the box with my tt303 had "January promotion" printed on it, but since we are now into February .... hmmm.....
GovernorSilver
natallica wrote:
It looks like several places are selling these new for cheaper now.

Anyone know if this is a permanent price drop?


Thanks for the heads up! Just ordered one!
echologist
does the bassbott output slide/ accent data via either of the CV outputs? the acidlab bassline's do, but the bassbott is cheaper. thumbs up
stainers
echologist wrote:
does the bassbott output slide/ accent data via either of the CV outputs? the acidlab bassline's do, but the bassbott is cheaper. thumbs up

TT outputs CV slide nicely, don't think it does accent though
stikygum
echologist wrote:
does the bassbott output slide/ accent data via either of the CV outputs? the acidlab bassline's do, but the bassbott is cheaper. thumbs up


The fact that the Autobot/Bassline has Accent Out is a deal maker for me. I'm not sure if it's true, but it looks easy to use as well.

I think I would rather have a Bassline 3 for an extra $50 than the Autobot, but I really like the Bassbot as well.
echologist
I wish I could find a bassline 3 here in the US that is only $50 more than a bassbot. seriously, i just don't get it


stikygum wrote:
echologist wrote:
does the bassbott output slide/ accent data via either of the CV outputs? the acidlab bassline's do, but the bassbott is cheaper. thumbs up


The fact that the Bassbot/Bassline has Accent Out is a deal maker for me. I'm not sure if it's true, but it looks easy to use as well.

I think I would rather have a Bassline 3 for an extra $50 than the Bassbot, but I really like the Bassbot as well.
stikygum
Yeah I posted too quick. razz I was going to edit that as I realized it's not called a Bassbot either. It's an Autobot. I just checked the prices and the Bassline 3 is 230 Euro more than the rack mount Autobot and 130 Euro more than the tabletop.
echologist
aah, ok. thx for clarifying. thought about autobot... hmmm... me thinks the bass bot doesnt transmit slide/accent CV :-(


stikygum wrote:
Yeah I posted too quick. razz I was going to edit that as I realized it's not called a Bassbot either. It's an Autobot. I just checked the prices and the Bassline 3 is 230 Euro more than the rack mount Autobot and 130 Euro more than the tabletop.
stikygum
I think maybe it transmits slide, but not accent through CV. That's too bad if it doesn't, being that I heard the TT303 Bass Bot is the best TB303 sounding clone out there. It does transmit Note, Slide and Accent via midi. I do like that

The TT-303 having an Arp, pattern generator, pattern randomizer and pattern merging makes it attractive.

I'll most likely be getting the Autobot, but possibly the Bassline 3. And not only for the CV/Slide, Accent and Gate Outs, but also because I think the buttons are easier to use/push and the ergonomics/interface looks a lot less cluttered.

The only reason Cyclone Analogic made the TT-303 with the same hardware as the TB-303 is because it's eye catching and almost a nostalgic interface, even though the interface is far inferior when you compare how much simpler TB-303 functions could be made.
stainers
stikygum wrote:


The only reason Cyclone Analogic made the TT-303 with the same hardware as the TB-303 is because it's eye catching and almost a nostalgic interface, even though the interface is far inferior when you compare how much simpler TB-303 functions could be made.
I thought that too but it sums it up too simply - it also lends itself to a type of pattern programming that can be beneficial and it's pretty dead simple. Certainly much more fun than the FR-777, but yeah, you could do the same with a simplified MC-303 style layout (that would be the awesome) and it would function much better
echologist
this price is nuts!

cry
mckenic
The sequencer and pattern functions on the TT303 are IMHO the best, most intuitive I have ever had the pleasure to use.

I'd buy one again for the sequencer alone! YMMV of course!

thumbs up
stikygum
stainers wrote:
I thought that too but it sums it up too simply - it also lends itself to a type of pattern programming that can be beneficial and it's pretty dead simple.


The TB-303 is a mess to look at and if you've never used one, you better consult the manual, because it looks like a game of simon. I agree with you guys that the pattern functions of the TT303 are a great addition. I think more sequencers should have this. But lack of Accents Out really kills it as sequencer for external synths for me. I just don't understand that omission.
antto
the sequencer interface has an impact on the workflow and thus on the types of patterns you tend to make when you experiment/improvise
so even if you think the original is a "mess" (which i don't agree with) it is responsible for most of the old acid tracks
whether that's good or bad is another question

the original didn't have accent-out (as i already said in the other thread)
and thus most clones don't
but it's easy to mod it and have the accent control voltage on a socket - then what will you do with it?
or if you think that accent only means "louder" - then fine, you got a point

i hope you're not planning to force another synth to behave like a 303 thumbs up
echologist
so to clarify, the TT303 does transmit slide via the CV outs?
antto
the CV-out from the TB-303 is the same signal which the oscillator uses for its pitch, thus it already has the "slide" in it (the voltage simply moves smoothly instead of jumping)
so yes, all (or at least most) clones which include CV-out should have simply copied that, i can't think of a reason to do it otherwise
echologist
got it. thank you sir! applause



quote="antto"]the CV-out from the TB-303 is the same signal which the oscillator uses for its pitch, thus it already has the "slide" in it (the voltage simply moves smoothly instead of jumping)
so yes, all (or at least most) clones which include CV-out should have simply copied that, i can't think of a reason to do it otherwise[/quote]
StoneLaw
It does slide and the pitch mode transpose through cv but the tuning knob does not affect the cv (just the 303 pitch)
antto
yeah, i forgot to mention

the CV from the sequencer (with slide) is sent out, and from that point it goes thru some more things till it reaches the actual oscillator - that is, tuning calibration trimpots and the TUNING adjustment knob
everything pitch-related which comes out of the sequencer of course goes out to the CV-out, just not the TUNING knob, that is meant for tuning A to 220Hz or so
StoneLaw
you know, I have noticed that on the tt303 at least it seems like the note low c (with no up or down) is possibly 2v on the cv out... Meaning one of my oscillators that does not tune low enough to be an lfo is always about an octave higher than I'd want for bass (if I program it how I normally would anyway.)
stikygum
antto wrote:

i hope you're not planning to force another synth to behave like a 303 thumbs up


Are you saying this because the 303 pitch uses the LPF technique when transitioning between legato notes? (While other synths just jump)
h4ndcrafted
Arhhh which one of you guys bought the last three off Ebay lol

They had them for £320 new! I thought I'll wait till morning as there was three left....all gone.

Derrrp
M-Circus
I'm guilty of snatching one of them, but did so last Friday.... meh

Used to own one. Sold it. Missed it. Now bought again. Brilliant game plan...
h4ndcrafted
M-Circus wrote:
I'm guilty of snatching one of them, but did so last Friday.... meh

Used to own one. Sold it. Missed it. Now bought again. Brilliant game plan...


It's cool, managed to get one for that anyway! I mainly want it for the sequencer, the rest is just a bonus!
stikygum
h4ndcrafted wrote:
M-Circus wrote:
I'm guilty of snatching one of them, but did so last Friday.... meh

Used to own one. Sold it. Missed it. Now bought again. Brilliant game plan...


It's cool, managed to get one for that anyway! I mainly want it for the sequencer, the rest is just a bonus!


What do you plan on sequencing with it? Aren't you going to miss not having Accent Out? I know that's not on the TB303, but the TB303 does employ this on it's internal synth. I find sequences much more dynamic with accent.
h4ndcrafted
stikygum wrote:
h4ndcrafted wrote:
M-Circus wrote:
I'm guilty of snatching one of them, but did so last Friday.... meh

Used to own one. Sold it. Missed it. Now bought again. Brilliant game plan...


It's cool, managed to get one for that anyway! I mainly want it for the sequencer, the rest is just a bonus!


What do you plan on sequencing with it? Aren't you going to miss not having Accent Out? I know that's not on the TB303, but the TB303 does employ this on it's internal synth. I find sequences much more dynamic with accent.


My modular namely my Micromac. Accent would be nice but it is not a deal breaker for me.
StoneLaw
There has to be an easy mod to get accent out... I want it so bad!
stainers
I can't find the pictures of the insides but there are all sorts of labelled points on the circuit board
h4ndcrafted
So Bassbot just arrived!

My first impressions...

Was the original this plasticky ? lol


Vs my old SMS x0x , the x0x sounded improved, this sound more realistic, much more bass on the sqr wave of my x0x.

This is way easier to use, haven't looked at the manual once and it was obvious how to do most things.

Soundwise I prefer this so far, it is more dirty off the bat, doesn't drone with accent open like my x0x either.

Love that it is so light and takes batteries...big plus!

My x0x was built very well and I'd still love to have it, it was a great bass machine for other reasons than acid, this feel less able to be that.

If I had to choose between the two? Right now I'd take this tbh. But I still regret selling my x0x.

Oh and mine has hum too over headphone, mostly when you use the volume pot, but it is not good, it's not off putting though either. Shame.
stainers
A real TB, while still plastic, feels extremely solid and well made compared to the TT. Dunno why they dropped the ball so significantly, on the wobbly knobs, and less so but the horrid clear plastic over all the LEDs etc.

I get a bit of whitish noise over the headphones but no hum, hopefully you can get that sorted by playing with different power options
h4ndcrafted
Actually it is more white noise, you are right.
The wobbly knobs don't bother me too much as they are sunk so can only move to the edge of the casing.

I wouldn't like to drop this that is for sure!
stikygum
StoneLaw wrote:
There has to be an easy mod to get accent out... I want it so bad!


Seems like the Acidlab Bassline 3 is one of the few 303 clones with the accent out. I think Xoxio being another.
nangu
h4ndcrafted wrote:
Oh and mine has hum too over headphone, mostly when you use the volume pot


The noise that only happens when you're actually touching the volume knob is because of the conductive chrome plating on the knob. Just remove the knob, and scratch off a ring of the plating where the pot shaft goes into the knob.

http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/dfish/vol-pot-noise/

I used a pocketknife instead of a drill bit. Worked great!
Altitude909
nangu wrote:
h4ndcrafted wrote:
Oh and mine has hum too over headphone, mostly when you use the volume pot


The noise that only happens when you're actually touching the volume knob is because of the conductive chrome plating on the knob. Just remove the knob, and scratch off a ring of the plating where the pot shaft goes into the knob.

http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/dfish/vol-pot-noise/

I used a pocketknife instead of a drill bit. Worked great!


Its a plastic shaft pot, why would that have any effect?
nangu
I have no idea. I just know that it made a big difference on mine.

Mine is an early unit, though. Second batch, mid-December 2012.


[edit] Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure that my pot had a metal shaft. I don't have the TT-303 with me right now, so I can't just look at it.

Robin Whittle talks about metal shaft pots on the page I linked, too. Maybe they switched from metal to plastic pot shafts on later production runs?
Altitude909
sorry. ignore my comment, thread confusion on my part. AFAIK, the TT DOES have metal shafts
h4ndcrafted
Still got quite a high noise floor and I'm using batteries.

I love it's plastic construction, feels so 80s toy lol.
I much prefer the accent donk than on my x0x I must say!
computer controlled
The casing on the TT seems a bit cheaper feeling than on a TB. It's also shiny, whereas on the TB it's a matte gray. I do not like the shiny casing of the TT. I also think it's a bit cheaper plastic than Roland used. Some say it's the same, but it just doesn't feel the same.
h4ndcrafted
computer controlled wrote:
The casing on the TT seems a bit cheaper feeling than on a TB. It's also shiny, whereas on the TB it's a matte gray. I do not like the shiny casing of the TT. I also think it's a bit cheaper plastic than Roland used. Some say it's the same, but it just doesn't feel the same.


I think you are right judging by the sort of plastics that got used in the 80s by them.

There is something really tactile about the Bassbott though, I love just being able to plonk it on my lap with batteries in and get this huge sound out of it.

I like the stiff knobs, I used to forever knock the tuning knob on my x0x.
Is there any custom or spare cases that would fit it, I'd like to pimp one but also have the original.
StoneLaw
I have a tr 606 and tt 303 and the quality of the two is worlds apart. the real tr is a much tougher plastic and the knobs have actual metal coating etc. Not that I don't love my 2 tts but other than the look from afar the case, knobs, and buttons are not 'clones' but imitations. The sound and sequencer are aces though! if the buttons were as nice as the original I'd prefer the tt actually... the knobs are easier to turn and it seems lighter.
h4ndcrafted
Ok so this headphone output hum has suddenly became loud. It isn't white noise after all, but like a ground hum, except I'm using batteries and headphones?

If I click through the preset selector, through 1-7 it is at different volumes, Preset group 2 is the loudest for some reason.

It has got so loud now that I see it as broken.

Anybody else having this issue to this extent, shame, I was really enjoying this thing:(
h4ndcrafted
nangu wrote:
h4ndcrafted wrote:
Oh and mine has hum too over headphone, mostly when you use the volume pot


The noise that only happens when you're actually touching the volume knob is because of the conductive chrome plating on the knob. Just remove the knob, and scratch off a ring of the plating where the pot shaft goes into the knob.

http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/dfish/vol-pot-noise/

I used a pocketknife instead of a drill bit. Worked great!


I now understand what you mean, I will have a go, if I just don't decide to send back bc of the other issues.

But the hum I'm getting now over headphones has nothing to do with me touching anything.

The hum while moving the volume pot your talking about I am getting too, and I also have a bit of crackle already waah
nangu
I've never run mine on batteries. Perhaps the noise that you're hearing now is because your batteries are getting low?

Maybe try using the wallwart and see if that's any better..
h4ndcrafted
nangu wrote:
I've never run mine on batteries. Perhaps the noise that you're hearing now is because your batteries are getting low?

Maybe try using the wallwart and see if that's any better..


No, they are new yesterday, but might be a battery thing, I shall try the wall wart.
h4ndcrafted
Ok so that's odd, but with the wall wart the hum is greatly reduced, still slightly there, and still changes volume with preset groups.

But that has fixed it seriously, i just don't get it

Still want to use batteries though.
computer controlled
Also, the switches on the TT have a much shorter throw than on the originals. Takes some getting used to.
h4ndcrafted
Ok, si I've been using cv out fine with my other modules, but the Bassbot won't play with my Micromac-r ?

Any ideas guys ?
odempress
Anyone have luck finding a generic case for their TT ?
StoneLaw
Anyone do any mods? I'm dying for accent outs
computer controlled
Any mod that can done to the TB, can be done to this. Looks for Accent out mods on the TB, and adapt =o]
GovernorSilver
odempress wrote:
Anyone have luck finding a generic case for their TT ?


I wrapped mine in a towel before packing it into a tote bag (along with my mixer and cables) for last Saturday's gig.

I guess I could have stuffed it into the laptop sleeve I originally bought for my Mac iBook.

When I attended the Octatrack workshop in Milwaukee, a couple of fellow Octatrack owners used Pelican cases. Maybe there's one that will fit the TT.
odempress
True, Pelicans are always nice, I just got inspired by a post in the OP-1 thread where someone just used a hard molded gun carrying case which fits it perfectly. Ended up only being $10 on amazon.
computer controlled
I just use the box

seriously, i just don't get it
mckenic
h4ndcrafted
Anybody having trouble keeping their BB synced ?

Mines ok for about 16 bars then starts to drift. I'm using it with a Focusrite pro 24 and Live.

It is making it unusable, all my other synths seem to sync fine hmmm.....
I have also had to start setting -64 delay on the pro 24 midi out in lives preferences, never had to do that before.

Weird I'm sure it synced fine without any compensation when I first had it.
computer controlled
I've never had any sync issues with either of the 2 TTs i've had.
antto
h4ndcrafted: which version of the OS?
h4ndcrafted
antto wrote:
h4ndcrafted: which version of the OS?


Pretty sure I have the latest, do you know off hand how to check ?
computer controlled
When you turn it on, the LEDs will flash red for a sec.
h4ndcrafted
God sorry to waste peoples time, I made such a basic error that I should know better!

Some how my drum loop length had changed by a slight amount so it was slowly going out of time, this has only happened to me once before, have no idea maybe i leaned on Push in clip mode ?

However I'm still puzzled why I have had to add -30 ms for my Focusrites out port, i don't think I have ever had to deal with hardware latency before in live, maybe I've just been lucky ?

I guess the moral of this story is if you have sudden drift make sure you haven't nudged your loop lengths out in clip view d'oh! oops

At least I know how to check Bassbot's OS now , cheers thumbs up
StoneLaw
I never could understand the led show that tells you the version, but you know you have the first os if you switch from an active sequence to a completely cleared sequence (containing zero steps) and you hear one note repeating rather than silence.

I have two TTs, one updated and one not, and one of them does lag slightly. I dont know which os is laggy though hmmm.....
mckenic
AFAIK -

When you boot it up - if the lights flash all different colours - v1. If they flash red only - latest os.

Still have to find a windows box to successfully update mine!
StoneLaw
that being said tho, ever since I got an innerclock sync gen I have to nudge all of my tracks by 30ms or so (not positive, I nudge by samples not ms but seems about the same). Not because the innerclock is loose tho, because it's so tight that now I can actually hear the shit. I use protools, but even with delay compensation it will create offsets depending on the track count. Once I hit like 8 tracks I have to nudge each track regardless.
antto
StoneLaw wrote:
I never could understand the led show that tells you the version, but you know you have the first os if you switch from an active sequence to a completely cleared sequence (containing zero steps) and you hear one note repeating rather than silence.

I have two TTs, one updated and one not, and one of them does lag slightly. I dont know which os is laggy though hmmm.....

it's explained in the manual (or on the site with the update download)
but a very quick way to distinguish the initial OS from the updated one is: program a quick 16-note pattern without any slides, play it at a normal/slow tempo
with the initial OS - the note lengths would be 50%, while with the new OS they are longer.. 66%
StoneLaw
interesting I'll have to listen for that. I know one of the bugs they fixed was that on the first os if you switch patterns, the first loop of the new pattern takes the first step from the last pattern you were playing... and if the pattern is empty it will loop that one step as a one step sequence. So going from one pattern to totally empty pattern on the new os will make it go silent, while going from pattern to blank pattern on the old os will make it play one note over and over.

I've been keeping my tts in different locations lately, but I think the new one is on time and the old os is just barely laggy, but not enough to bother me on it's own. I actually think I like my older one better, but I think someone futzed with the new one's filter before I got it (the case was like, semi open like somebody opened the bottom but didn't screw it back in completely). Not sure if it's the filter trim but could be the note length too.
stainers
mckenic wrote:
AFAIK -

When you boot it up - if the lights flash all different colours - v1. If they flash red only - latest os.

Still have to find a windows box to successfully update mine!

I just thought I'd clarify here because that comment had me thinking I had the old OS when in fact you get red and colours on the latest.
From: http://cyclone-analogic.com/instadj_v1-1/
Quote:
• Changed boot-up color splash display pattern to initial red fade in before right to left spectrum display.
mckenic
thumbs up

Thank you - sorry for the misinformation! Its been awhile since I tried the update on mine!

thumbs up
stainers
All good, mckenic 8_)
Parnell Paul
I've been considering buying a TB303 again, just because of nostalgia, but i've been looking at the TT303 now, simply because I can't find a TB in good condition that's priced beyond what I sold all 3 on mine for years ago.

I do have a Modded AcidLabs xoxbox with dual VCO, FutureRetro Revolution and a few other barking instruments, but my 606's need a buddy. what's your thoughts?
computer controlled
The TT-303 is great! You really can't go wrong.
Parnell Paul
computer controlled wrote:
The TT-303 is great! You really can't go wrong.


I use to own 3 TB303's each sounded a bit different from the next, I wish I had them to test against the TT303, but the online demo's have been great and I LOVE how they used the TB design wink

Have you done an A/B?

Thanks again
computer controlled
I haven't owned a TB in a few years. The only real difference, is the resonance. Which nobody can get right. It doesn't hit as high as on most TBs. It needs a little more push closer to self osc. But other than that, the sound is there. The programming is slightly different too. where on the TB, you need to press the hold the NEXT button to enter in the Accent/Slide data. On the TT, you just hit it once.

The buttons also have a shorter throw than on the TB, so it takes a bit of getting used to. I don't like the shiny finish, i much prefer the matte gray of the TB.

On the attached pic, you can see how shiny it is, and how low the switches sit.

stainers
Don't forget the knobs - they are shit-house compared to the TB, super cheap and wobbly feeling.
But still I would recommend getting one, it sounds the business, so much fun, has MIDI when you need and comes at a reasonable price.
h4ndcrafted
I still enjoying mine, agree the rez isn't there. They're £320 in the UK now which good I guess in the grand scheme of things, but still feels like a lot for what it actually does.
Parnell Paul
stainers wrote:
Don't forget the knobs - they are shit-house compared to the TB, super cheap and wobbly feeling.
But still I would recommend getting one, it sounds the business, so much fun, has MIDI when you need and comes at a reasonable price.

So it looks like all the guys that own one still strongly suggest it. I'm sure there's a mod for the resonance, when I built my xoxbox I sourced out all original TB parts, so she burps and Barks, I just wish I could transplant it into a TB Body wink

Thanks guys, I think i'll grab one!

Vince
meatcliff
The TT's are definitely super tempting... basically the only reason I still have my 303 is for vanity, seriously considering selling it and picking up two TT-303's and pocketing the difference. Really don't think that you can go wrong getting one, unless you have a real need for DIN sync over midi.
StepLogik
meatcliff wrote:
basically the only reason I still have my 303 is for vanity,


lol Me too.

Holla if you get a TT-303, I'd like to come over and check it out!
Parnell Paul
meatcliff wrote:
The TT's are definitely super tempting... basically the only reason I still have my 303 is for vanity, seriously considering selling it and picking up two TT-303's and pocketing the difference. Really don't think that you can go wrong getting one, unless you have a real need for DIN sync over midi.


i've owned 3 TB303's through the years, I don't think I paid more that $400-$600 for them in amazing shape, but over the years i lost the nostalgia as I expanded my musical expression, Then I started buying FR777's and Revolutions, Xoxbox's, Damn Aira's n such because "That" sound still finds its way into my music. I kept all my original gear and now the nostalgia is back with an urge to unite the collection, So Vanity is playing a roll for sure, the TT looks the part and walks the walk after I'll track and produce it and the price is ok, maybe I just wish that TB303's weren't being sold for a small fortune, Maybe i'll find one in a pawnshop or thrift store??? Maybe?
StoneLaw
I got a little bored and let down with the tr-8 as the months go by, but have had the TT since shortly after they were released and still love it! Also really love sequencing the modular with it.
computer controlled
Parnell Paul wrote:
Maybe i'll find one in a pawnshop or thrift store??? Maybe?


I STILL look =o]
newgreyarea
Hey Bassbot'rs!
Having a weird issue and wanted to see if anyone else has experienced this. I turned on my Bassbot today and it's making a buzzing sound. Not a hum but almost as if the VCA is not closing all the way. It's definitely waveform related as it'll hold the pitch of the last note played if I stop a sequnce mid bar. I've tried unplugging it. Plugging it somewhere else. I don't really know what else to do. Anyone else?
parome
I assume the tt-303 receives a decent warranty through the point of sale?

The 'tt' stands for technology transplant, right? I'd like to try one, though am hesitant given technology transplants almost comically bad reputation.
mckenic
See the BugBrand post on Page 1.
flabby
Has the skipping note thing been fixed?

I read that when you chain patterns or manually flick through them it skips the first step. Is that right?
StoneLaw
The new OS fixed it... the bug wasn't that steps were being skipped per say, but when you switched patterns it would play the first note from the pattern you were on before going to the next one... so if you had a 4 step pattern A B C D and switched to a different 4 step pattern D E F G then the first time through that second pattern would play A E F G. If it was an empty pattern, instead of looping nothing it would loop the first note of the last pattern as well, so instead of nothing you would get A A A A A A A A A A A etc. But it wasn't skipping a step or anything that would put it out of time.
flabby
Cheers StoneLaw!

For some reason the bassbot has grabbed my attention recently.
computer controlled
Yup, that nasty bug has been squashed!
newgreyarea
I've still not received any response from Cyclone or the point of purchase regarding this weird issue with mine. Anyone else have a contact for these guys?
mckenic
www.cyclone-analogic.fr
www.superiorsoundslondon.co.uk

Are the only people I have had contact with. I bought mine from Escape From Noise but got support & cables from Superior Sounds... great chaps!
newgreyarea
mckenic wrote:
www.cyclone-analogic.fr
www.superiorsoundslondon.co.uk

Are the only people I have had contact with. I bought mine from Escape From Noise but got support & cables from Superior Sounds... great chaps!


I'll give them a try. Thanks!
newgreyarea
So I switched all my power supplies around (AGAIN!!) yesterday and it suddenly started working again. I have a Furman in every rack with everything plugged into them and this was the only thing that had any issue. I literally plugged it back into the slot I pulled it from the other day when trouble shooting the issue. I don't exactly feel comfortable that this is solved.


Unrelated: Is there a vibrato mod for the 303? I was listening to the new Hardfloor record yesterday and kept hearing what sounded like vibrato in the tail end of some of the 303 stuff. I want mods. . maybe. Not Devilfish. Those apparently take a year to get back.
rekem1000
Inside the bassbot there are what looks like tap points labeled for the cv's of all the parameters, I haven't got around to modding mine yet but will post back when I do.
newgreyarea
rekem1000 wrote:
Inside the bassbot there are what looks like tap points labeled for the cv's of all the parameters, I haven't got around to modding mine yet but will post back when I do.


Cool! That's promising!
newgreyarea
Dammit! VCA issue is back!! AHHHH!!!
thesnow
Is there a "definitive" meaning best comparison vid around between the tb and tt?
insula
rekem1000 wrote:
Inside the bassbot there are what looks like tap points labeled for the cv's of all the parameters, I haven't got around to modding mine yet but will post back when I do.


can u post a photo?

i have plan to buy one this winter.. but this makes even more interesing.... MY ASS IS BLEEDING
darenager
newgreyarea wrote:

Unrelated: Is there a vibrato mod for the 303? I was listening to the new Hardfloor record yesterday and kept hearing what sounded like vibrato in the tail end of some of the 303 stuff. I want mods. . maybe. Not Devilfish. Those apparently take a year to get back.


It could have been the old CV connected to gate trick, it gives a wobbly vibrato kind of effect, just connect a cable from CV out to Gate out - DISCLAIMER: Although this seems to cause no damage, I take no responsibility if you try it, do so at your own risk. Also not sure if it works on the TT.

Or maybe they have a CV in mod and are using a LFO. To do vibrato?
konnekshen
so because of all the problems i read about here, it seems not to be a good idea to mod the tt 303 with "accent out" = would it make even more "unstable" ?
insula
could be a cv input to control the filter and resonance ?

MY ASS IS BLEEDING
zam
Got one of these recently and absolutely love having the 303 sound available to me - never owned a real 303 or other clones.

I actually had a lot of fun patching out the cv and gates into my eurorack, and found it output the sliding pitch really nicely, so i was able to layer the same pattern with slide with other oscillators/filters. This worked great with a modulated MI Tides, as it added a bit more grit into it all.

BUT! Now I'm absolutely gagging for having CV control from my euro over cuttoff/res/env mod/decay/accent... That would truly make it amazing, especially since the knobs are kind of shitty as they are. To start with mine were also scraping/grinding (vomit!) but they seem to have loosened up. Also having the tuning knob next to cuttoff is a pretty silly...

I've only skimmed this thread, but is there any DIY's modding these? Or are people just waiting for the Devilfish mod to be ready? I want CV control!
natallica
Yay! Muff's is back.

Anyone notice v2.0 is out?

http://cyclone-analogic.com/instadj_v1-1/
h4ndcrafted
natallica wrote:
Yay! Muff's is back.

Anyone notice v2.0 is out?

http://cyclone-analogic.com/instadj_v1-1/


Nope, but thanks thumbs up
el clon
awesome! thanks natallica, i missed it...
mckenic
thumbs up

Yes - thanks indeed!!!
More importantly for me I didnt know there was now a Mac version of the firmware updater!!! I couldnt get updated on my Win box with an MBox2 so skipped it. This is VERY welcome.

Thanks for the heads up!!!
Sir Ruff
So I just bit the bullet on one of these... Just as I was committing myself to buying the real thing, prices seemed to jump another $500, and I was like, Yeah, but no...

And then I started watching all the various TB vs. TT vids, and even me, with my picky ears and inherent bias against this thing was having a hard time finding any significant differences between the two, so I went for it. I had a XoX briefly--it sounded great, but I had to return because of an issue. And I was never actually a big fan of the case. If the TT does what it says on the tin, I'll be happy.

One (dumb) question--how does the TT's sequencer compare to the TB? I am hearing about this InstaDJ thing, which sounds useless, but I'm wondering: if I wanted to program the TT like the original, could I? I know you couldn't on the Xox, which was annoying.
dartanjal
Oh good spot on the OSX updater mckenic! Finally!
I bought a second one used and it had the original firmware.
computer controlled
Sir Ruff wrote:
So I just bit the bullet on one of these... Just as I was committing myself to buying the real thing, prices seemed to jump another $500, and I was like, Yeah, but no...

And then I started watching all the various TB vs. TT vids, and even me, with my picky ears and inherent bias against this thing was having a hard time finding any significant differences between the two, so I went for it. I had a XoX briefly--it sounded great, but I had to return because of an issue. And I was never actually a big fan of the case. If the TT does what it says on the tin, I'll be happy.

One (dumb) question--how does the TT's sequencer compare to the TB? I am hearing about this InstaDJ thing, which sounds useless, but I'm wondering: if I wanted to program the TT like the original, could I? I know you couldn't on the Xox, which was annoying.



The TT sequencer works basically the same as the TB. I don't even know what the InstaDJ thing is. Is that the random pattern generator and mutate function? I like those functions quite a bit.
newgreyarea
WHY DID I NEVER USE THE ARPEGGIATOR PART OF THIS MACHINE?!?!?!?

I just assumed it was a regular arp and never even read that part of the manual. That's a really fun feature. Just jammed out for about an hour. Was able to conform my existing patterns to whatever I had going on the modular. Was so much fun!! I feel dumb. One can just fill this machine up with random generated stuff, then use the Arp to make fit what you have going on elsewhere. Woot!


Also, update was a pain to get going on my Mac. I switch to my girl's newer mac and it worked so instantly.
flabby
Does this thing send glide and accent out over midi?
newgreyarea
flabby wrote:
Does this thing send glide and accent out over midi?


I don't know of anything that sends glide over MIDI. Accent could be a velocity thing but Slide/glide would be portamento on your synth. It would somehow have to turn that on for particular notes and I'm not quite sure anything does that.
robbert
[quote="flabby"]Does this thing send glide and accent out over midi?[/quote]


I guess for that you want to turn on glide/portamento for combined notes on the targetbsynth
mwvm
http://www.acidvoice.com/cyclone-analogic-bass-bot-tt-303.htm

some of these examples of the tt post distortion sound rather poor imo....
newgreyarea
mwvm wrote:
http://www.acidvoice.com/cyclone-analogic-bass-bot-tt-303.htm

some of these examples of the tt post distortion sound rather poor imo....


Agreed. Wonder what that's al about? Maybe the pedals are not getting the right levels or something? I have a grip of pedals but tend to just drive my shitty Alesis compressor.
natallica
I found that I need to use my Radial X-Amp with most distortion/overdrive guitar pedals when running synths through them.
amnesia
Has anyone used the midi out into Midi/DinSync converter? Mine seems to creat a ground hum.
GovernorSilver
mwvm wrote:
http://www.acidvoice.com/cyclone-analogic-bass-bot-tt-303.htm

some of these examples of the tt post distortion sound rather poor imo....


I actually liked the one with the Boss Super Overdrive, so I went and got one for mine. Plus it costs less than

Most of the other pedals in that demo page seemed to strip off all the high end - like throwing a blanket on top.
WhiteIsBeautiful
is there anywhere online to see what channels do what for the midi out? im trying to clock my mfb-522 from the tt-303 with no luck so far. thanks for any help smile
mckenic
Page 11 & 12 of the manual here:
http://www.cyclone-analogic.fr/img/cms/The-Bass-Bot-English-2.0.pdf

thumbs up
WhiteIsBeautiful
not getting anything about clock confused
mckenic
My understanding reading that is its got to be MIDI slave from gear... could be wrong of course!

Whenever Ive set a tempo in Live9 and plugged MIDI in, it just worked. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will chime in if it can be MIDI master.
WhiteIsBeautiful
got it! it was a channel on the mfb that was messing things up.
mckenic
So can the TT output midi clock too? Sweet if so!
WhiteIsBeautiful
i have tt-303 midi out -> mfb-522 midi in. only controlling tempo/clock. SUPER FUN!!
computer controlled
mckenic wrote:
So can the TT output midi clock too? Sweet if so!


Yes, it comes with an additional adapter for MIDI I/O rather than just input.
rumblefishrhodes
Can anyone explain what is different about the current batch of tt-303's as opposed to the early versions? On the website, cyclone says that they are using "improved manufacturing" and are describing these as "NEW!". Are there any noticeable differences between newer and older models?
mckenic
I believe there was a metal pot shaft and metal insert in the initial run of pots so when you touched whichever one it was, you would cause a buzzing sound.

AFAIK the solution was to place a little tape inside the knob to break the metal connection - thats not needed in newer versions as the insert was removed.
nangu
The problem was only with the volume pot, so you can leave the others alone. The best solution is to remove a ring of the chrome plating from inside the knob, right where the pot shaft goes into the knob.

http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/dfish/vol-pot-noise/

I used a knife instead of a drill bit, and it worked great.
rumblefishrhodes
thanks for the replies! I just bought a version 1 TT-303 today, so i'm glad to know it's nothing major. It will be here this week I hope, can't wait!
computer controlled
Make sure you update the OS.
rumblefishrhodes
Regarding updating the firmware, I assume it is a sysex update? Can I just send the update with a program like C6? I'm using PC by the way.

Cheers

Edit: I just did my own research (imagine that!) and found all my questions answered on, of all places, the product webpage. Thank you for reminding me to look into the firmware update!
jsystm
What kind of resonance potentiometer goes to TT-303? Specks/link?
astroschnautzer
jsystm wrote:
What kind of resonance potentiometer goes to TT-303? Specks/link?
if its a straight 303 clone it will be a Dual 50K B , can you upload a picture of it, it could be tricky to find the right one....
computer controlled
Just remember the pots in the TT are surface mount.
StoneLaw
Anybody using this with batteries? I've never tried but I'm thinking of popping some in before a show this Friday to cut down on power supplies. Any quirks?
mckenic
Exclusively with rechargeables here for the past 7-8 months.
Absolutely no issues Ive noticed at all :-)
ekwipt
nangu wrote:
The problem was only with the volume pot, so you can leave the others alone. The best solution is to remove a ring of the chrome plating from inside the knob, right where the pot shaft goes into the knob.

http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/dfish/vol-pot-noise/

I used a knife instead of a drill bit, and it worked great.


Wonder where the devilfish mod is going, he seems to take a while to release stuff smile
lmgrovllum
Just picked one up with the 1.0 OS, and have been trying to update it using Win 7 / MOTU 828 mk II, but am encountering this issue:

The blue DOWN <key> LED doesn’t flash as it updates as the application shows it will.

Try the following routine: disconnect midi from your computer, close the Cyclone Studio app and power off the Bass Bot, then re-apply all settings and try again. Confirm the red fade-in first displays on power on to verify if v1.1 ‘took’ or not. If after several attempts you cannot update the system please email support providing all details of your setup for evaluation.

Anyone else encounter this issue with updating the OS? (Also I have sent TT an email with the details...)
mckenic
Its been a bit since I tried but I couldnt update on Win7 or OS X. Might try again to see whats going on but I remember getting no errors but it just not taking.
kuxaan-sum
No problems here with Win 7 and an older Midisport.
Make sure you are holding down WRITE during the entire update.
Only using the Midi in (but I am not sure that would matter but it does not require a handshake)

I also had to update for a friend who was on Mac OS 9 that was experiencing this same issue and his went without a hitch too.
lmgrovllum
Just tried at a friend's place and the exact same thing happened very frustrating

(And yes, definitely holding down 'write' during the whole upload process).

Hopefully Cyclone gets back to me soon...
rumblefishrhodes
I just got mine last week and updated it from 1.0 to the newest firmware version on Windows 7, using the midi software from Cyclone. No issues here on Windows 7, updated perfectly. Love this synth!
BLVCKJEVNS
All I know is I want one waah
computer controlled
Then buy one =o]
lmgrovllum
Hm, still no success trying to upgrade my OS. Would anyone be willing to update mine using their set-up (for some $ for their time of course)? No reply yet from TT angry
The sync issue in v 1.0 is pretty annoying very frustrating
chrix
hi, i've started to modify my tt-303, check out the thread and video here if you're interested!

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1929854#1929854

c
echoplex
is it not possible to upgrade the tt303 with a mac?
I just can't seem to download this: Download InstaDJv2.0 with Cyclone Studio Manager .ZIP (109Kb)
mckenic
echoplex wrote:
is it not possible to upgrade the tt303 with a mac?
I just can't seem to download this
echoplex
Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap thank you so much !
mckenic
thumbs up
Hope it works for ya!
asii
<3 my tt303 smile great box
X PRO
I got my firmware updated correctly first try w00t the startup lights rule
I made one song with the 1.0 OS with the fucked up sync, and then updated it.
skkatter
TT-303 owners, is there any way to force the TT-303 to only accept 16 notes in a pattern? On the original TB-303 when you were entering the notes (note on, rest or tie) it wouldn't let you enter more notes than specified in the length of your sequence, 16 by default. This is perfect as it makes it impossible to enter extra notes into the sequencer.

However with the TT-303 when I'm adding notes, I don't see a way to specify a sequence length to force it to keep. Therefore when I'm adding new notes I can keep going and if I don't keep a count of how many I enter I can go over 16, which makes things difficult if you're trying to just make patterns that are 16 steps long to fit into regular four beats to the bar tunes.
newgreyarea
skkatter wrote:
TT-303 owners, is there any way to force the TT-303 to only accept 16 notes in a pattern? On the original TB-303 when you were entering the notes (note on, rest or tie) it wouldn't let you enter more notes than specified in the length of your sequence, 16 by default. This is perfect as it makes it impossible to enter extra notes into the sequencer.

However with the TT-303 when I'm adding notes, I don't see a way to specify a sequence length to force it to keep. Therefore when I'm adding new notes I can keep going and if I don't keep a count of how many I enter I can go over 16, which makes things difficult if you're trying to just make patterns that are 16 steps long to fit into regular four beats to the bar tunes.


I usually just keep count but the manual says you can delete steps.

Delete step: [TIME] + [DEL C#]

-b
computer controlled
skkatter wrote:
TT-303 owners, is there any way to force the TT-303 to only accept 16 notes in a pattern? On the original TB-303 when you were entering the notes (note on, rest or tie) it wouldn't let you enter more notes than specified in the length of your sequence, 16 by default. This is perfect as it makes it impossible to enter extra notes into the sequencer.

However with the TT-303 when I'm adding notes, I don't see a way to specify a sequence length to force it to keep. Therefore when I'm adding new notes I can keep going and if I don't keep a count of how many I enter I can go over 16, which makes things difficult if you're trying to just make patterns that are 16 steps long to fit into regular four beats to the bar tunes.


You have to press and hold Function, the hit Step 16 times. This will set the pattern to 16 steps. As soon as you hit the last step, the Accent and Slide LEDs will light up, indicating that you've reached the end of the pattern.
X PRO
computer controlled wrote:
skkatter wrote:
TT-303 owners, is there any way to force the TT-303 to only accept 16 notes in a pattern? On the original TB-303 when you were entering the notes (note on, rest or tie) it wouldn't let you enter more notes than specified in the length of your sequence, 16 by default. This is perfect as it makes it impossible to enter extra notes into the sequencer.

However with the TT-303 when I'm adding notes, I don't see a way to specify a sequence length to force it to keep. Therefore when I'm adding new notes I can keep going and if I don't keep a count of how many I enter I can go over 16, which makes things difficult if you're trying to just make patterns that are 16 steps long to fit into regular four beats to the bar tunes.


You have to press and hold Function, the hit Step 16 times. This will set the pattern to 16 steps. As soon as you hit the last step, the Accent and Slide LEDs will light up, indicating that you've reached the end of the pattern.


Is this really the best solution to lock it to 16 notes? That's kind of a pain, I might as well count to 16 once confused
computer controlled
Well, by default, the sequences should already be 16 steps. But if it isn't 16 steps, then yes, this is what you need to do. Just the way it is.
X PRO
Oh, ok. I got mine used and never did a factory reset of any kind, so it's at whatever the previous owner had it at This is fun!
skkatter
computer controlled wrote:
Well, by default, the sequences should already be 16 steps. But if it isn't 16 steps, then yes, this is what you need to do. Just the way it is.

When you start a new pattern it has 0 steps by default, so yes you keep having to enter the 16 steps first and then keep watching the lights to make sure you don't accidentally enter a new step after the 16th, which is an annoying way of entering patterns.

I can't think of any other modern sequencer where you can't have 16 steps by default. Poor design choice there, it's too easy to enter more steps, you should be able to enter notes super quickly without having to keep looking at it, just like playing an instrument.
chrix
I've modded my TT-303 in three steps now the beta is finished, VERY happy w the results, check Out some videos Here

https://instagram.com/p/55efPDjgyp/
h4ndcrafted
chrix wrote:
I've modded my TT-303 in three steps now the beta is finished, VERY happy w the results, check Out some videos Here

https://instagram.com/p/55efPDjgyp/


Very nice!
rohelineoun
chrix wrote:
I've modded my TT-303 in three steps now the beta is finished, VERY happy w the results, check Out some videos Here

https://instagram.com/p/55efPDjgyp/


Wicked sweet, but it still sounds like a natural 303. Do you have documentation on those mods?
chrix
rohelineoun wrote:
chrix wrote:
I've modded my TT-303 in three steps now the beta is finished, VERY happy w the results, check Out some videos Here

https://instagram.com/p/55efPDjgyp/


Wicked sweet, but it still sounds like a natural 303. Do you have documentation on those mods?


Yes, i'm working on documentation, i started another thread on it, link in a previous post! will do more screenshots of a video i did etc.

/C
chrix
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chrix
mckenic wrote:
echoplex wrote:
is it not possible to upgrade the tt303 with a mac?
I just can't seem to download this


Did anyone get this working on a mac? i'm on 10.7.5 and it just crashes… thanks for any advice!

chrix

EDIT: SOLVED!!! IT WAS MY SHITTY OLD MAC! I want to thank god, the academy and my wife for making it work on a newer computer! nanners
Pase
Recently obsessed with the tb303 sound but absolutely cannot afford an used one with its current prices, probably this little box will be my next purchase love
chrisryan15
You wont regret it if you get one! These things are a lot of fun, I've never touched a real 303 but I dont really have the urge to after getting the TT
chrisryan15
You wont regret it if you get one! These things are a lot of fun, I've never touched a real 303 but I dont really have the urge to after getting the TT
Pase
I've got to say that also the cheaper (and imho a little bit ugly) tb-3 sound good to my ears, it's the touch screen that really don't convince me, plus the fact that the TT it's battery powered it's an huge plus for me at the moment.
rumblefishrhodes
Pase wrote:
Recently obsessed with the tb303 sound but absolutely cannot afford an used one with its current prices, probably this little box will be my next purchase love


It's been one of my favorite synths since I bought one about 6 months ago. You def will not regret buying one if you are after that sound.
GovernorSilver
Pase wrote:
Recently obsessed with the tb303 sound but absolutely cannot afford an used one with its current prices, probably this little box will be my next purchase love


I think you'll enjoy it. It's filter doesn't seem to overdrive as aggressively as the original, but that can be easily fixed with a cheap OD pedal.

I also haven't updated the firmware yet, but it seems fine.
X PRO
The old firmware is pretty bad if you try to control it via MIDI. newer versions fixed that issue.
xonetacular
Any way to sync it via CV or anyone mod one to? I would grab one if there was a way to get it to sync to a cv clock/reset. I really hate midi....
computer controlled
Highly doubt it. No one has done it with the TB, so i don't think they'll do it with this.
GovernorSilver
X PRO wrote:
The old firmware is pretty bad if you try to control it via MIDI. newer versions fixed that issue.


Ah, I see. The only MIDI I've done with my TT-303 is sync it to my Octatrack sequencer. I held off on updating it because there wasn't any Mac software at the time. I see now they have Cyclone Studio for Mac.
HANS
Hi!

i`ve made some minor mods to mine TT303 smile

-accent increase by 200%
-resonance inrcrease
-Devilfish like resonance! ear bleeding
-vca overdrive
-overdrive , keeps the low end on! pre vcf
-vco mute , the vcf will self oscilate
-second stage hp filter
-filter modulation, driving the wave forms throug the filter
- accent launch button
-slide up buttton
- mute all notes except the slide notes


Working on a slide time mod

[s]https://soundcloud.com/daan-doeleman-1/sonic-exploirations-of-tt-30 3[/s]

https://soundcloud.com/daan-doeleman-1/sonic-exploirations-of-tt-303

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3WqPMnfUBQ

Dont look at the picture, mine TT303 has an Tb Face razz

And in the near future i will apply these mods for a small labor and parts price smile

Email me to doelemandaan@gmail.com when interested smile
X PRO
GovernorSilver wrote:
X PRO wrote:
The old firmware is pretty bad if you try to control it via MIDI. newer versions fixed that issue.


Ah, I see. The only MIDI I've done with my TT-303 is sync it to my Octatrack sequencer. I held off on updating it because there wasn't any Mac software at the time. I see now they have Cyclone Studio for Mac.


Mac software was never necessary. The official Cyclone tool isn't even necessary. it was always possible to send the update as a sysex, which you could do with any midi librarian or sysex program, which there definitely are plenty of for either OS. the cyclone program didn't work on my windows laptop, so i just took the update file and send it over MIDI OX
NeonCore
Hans keep us posted as to when you start modding for clients. Id pick up a TT just for these mods. SlayerBadger!
nadafarms
I just bought one of these new off ebay and the cutoff knob is so scratchy the sound cuts in and out very frustrating

I would return it instantly but I bought it two months ago on ebay and I have no recourse, stoked on the sound but the cutoff knob is just jacked completely...

anybody have this issue? have a suggestion?
dave_samuels
nadafarms wrote:
I just bought one of these new off ebay and the cutoff knob is so scratchy the sound cuts in and out very frustrating

I would return it instantly but I bought it two months ago on ebay and I have no recourse, stoked on the sound but the cutoff knob is just jacked completely...

anybody have this issue? have a suggestion?


don't have one here, but a decent scrub plus judicial contact cleaner (DeOxit or any generic alternative) can sort out scratchy pots.

may be worth a try before anything more technical.

HANS wrote:
Dont look at the picture, mine TT303 has an Tb Face razz

Looks sweet, how've you done this? taken the case from an OG 303? or your own work?

Anyway the drive & FM sound great! Wonder why it's taking the Devilfish guy so long to get into this - he said when the TT-303 first came out he'd mod them, but little visible progress . . In the meantime I've seen 2 people here carry out successful mods !
xonetacular
I really like the tt303 so far. I was lusting for an avalon right after I ordered it but am pretty happy with the tt- it's a lot of fun and I like the programming/mutate modes. very quick and fun to mess with.

feels a little light and cheap though, need to get some rubber feet so it doesn't slide around on my desk since the little molded plastic nubs aren't helping.
X PRO
xonetacular wrote:
I really like the tt303 so far. I was lusting for an avalon right after I ordered it but am pretty happy with the tt- it's a lot of fun and I like the programming/mutate modes. very quick and fun to mess with.

feels a little light and cheap though, need to get some rubber feet so it doesn't slide around on my desk since the little molded plastic nubs aren't helping.


Have you held a real 303? They don't feel much sturdier. That said, the TT303 does have an awful cheap plastic feel, like it would bend in if you pushed with your finger too hard.

Still fun and the multicolor lights are a great addition and with updated firmware the MIDI is pretty good too. makes a really fun midi arp. I would have kept mine but I didn't care for the 303 sound in my own work so much.
xonetacular
Never held a real 303. I know the real deal is cheap and plasticky feeling too but heard the tt was a little worse. It's mostly the light weight that bothers me.

I almost want to stick some weights in the battery compartment (prob not a good idea to leave real batteries in) so I don't feel like I can knock it around as easily.
oscilloscope
xonetacular wrote:
Never held a real 303. I know the real deal is cheap and plasticky feeling too but heard the tt was a little worse. It's mostly the light weight that bothers me.

I almost want to stick some weights in the battery compartment (prob not a good idea to leave real batteries in) so I don't feel like I can knock it around as easily.


All you need to do is get underneath 4 small round silicone rubber self adhesive feet. Mine are round 10 mm diam, 5 mm height. Installed in minutes and totally changes the feeling of the unit: a bit raised + no slippage at all (as if the unit weighted 3 pounds Mr. Green )

BTW, it IS really a great acid box love
xonetacular
^yep I already ordered some more vinyl feet

it made a big difference on my strymon big sky but the feet I got for that are too short for the tt
GovernorSilver
Never had my TT-303 slide around. Maybe its because when I played shows with it, I had it on top of a cloth-covered wooden board, which in turn was on top of a keyboard stand.
computer controlled
xonetacular wrote:
Never held a real 303. I know the real deal is cheap and plasticky feeling too but heard the tt was a little worse. It's mostly the light weight that bothers me.

I almost want to stick some weights in the battery compartment (prob not a good idea to leave real batteries in) so I don't feel like I can knock it around as easily.


Just stick batteries in it. I've had them in mine since i got it a year or so ago. I also had them in my real 303 for the almost 20 years i owned that. There's no reason to not have them in.

As for the feel, the plastic is slightly different than the original. Robin Whittle says it's the same, but it doesn't feel the same at all. It's probably the finish. The TT is shiny and feels slightly cheap. The TB is a nice flat gray color and feels a bit more sturdy. I really dislike the finish on the TT.
Benjaymun
Who uses theirs for acid techno?
computer controlled
What else would they be used for? Disco?

Rockin' Banana!
Benjaymun
computer controlled wrote:
What else would they be used for? Disco?

Rockin' Banana!

Just because you use a 303 clone doesn't mean you automatically start creating acid techno. A bit of acid fits into most electronic dance music genres without becoming acid techno or (the dead genre) acid house.
computer controlled
Dead genre?
Benjaymun
Dead genre. w00t

909london.com sells acid techno. Nowhere sells acid house by genre, them's the breaks.
computer controlled
OK then.
oscilloscope
computer controlled wrote:
Just stick batteries in it. I've had them in mine since i got it a year or so ago. I also had them in my real 303 for the almost 20 years i owned that. There's no reason to not have them in.

As for the feel, the plastic is slightly different than the original. Robin Whittle says it's the same, but it doesn't feel the same at all. It's probably the finish. The TT is shiny and feels slightly cheap. The TB is a nice flat gray color and feels a bit more sturdy. I really dislike the finish on the TT.


Unless you have to use batteries (on the road for example) I'd discourage using them: first the Bass Bot TT303 comes with a nice power supply, second, batteries no matter which brand WILL leak if left inside to the point of being completely discharged.

As to the shiny vs flat finish, it's difficult for me to be quite concerned about it given that the TT303 sounds so good and so very close to the original, and at roughly 1/5 th the price of an original (and of course used) TB303 .... screaming goo yo
GovernorSilver
Benjaymun wrote:
Who uses theirs for acid techno?


I don't. I do noise/experimental stuff.

What about you?
computer controlled
oscilloscope wrote:
computer controlled wrote:
Just stick batteries in it. I've had them in mine since i got it a year or so ago. I also had them in my real 303 for the almost 20 years i owned that. There's no reason to not have them in.

As for the feel, the plastic is slightly different than the original. Robin Whittle says it's the same, but it doesn't feel the same at all. It's probably the finish. The TT is shiny and feels slightly cheap. The TB is a nice flat gray color and feels a bit more sturdy. I really dislike the finish on the TT.


Unless you have to use batteries (on the road for example) I'd discourage using them: first the Bass Bot TT303 comes with a nice power supply, second, batteries no matter which brand WILL leak if left inside to the point of being completely discharged.

As to the shiny vs flat finish, it's difficult for me to be quite concerned about it given that the TT303 sounds so good and so very close to the original, and at roughly 1/5 th the price of an original (and of course used) TB303 .... screaming goo yo


I've never once had a battery leak in anything of mine.
Donderdag
Just picked up a second hand Bassbot form a fellow wiggler and it's still on the stock firmware. sad banana

I'm getting the same issue described elsewhere during the update process whereby the down button doesn't blink and the firmware update won't take. I've tried two MIDI interfaces, several cables, the cyclone software and midi-ox without success.

Anyone had this issue resolved?
bimbom
have you swapped the in/out leads .. ?
you never know , i think i mightve had them wrong when i first tried
Donderdag
You mean with the Y cable? I've tried it with the Y cable and also going direct, which should just be MIDI in.
ri0h
I did my update with the software given by Cyclone on OS X and it worked flawlessly, even with my crappy Prodipe 4i4o MIDI interface which can't send midi notes + midi clock at the same time. Also yes, without the split cable it should work properly as MIDI IN.

But what's the big issue you have with the original firmware ? My only concern was that the CV / gate out was 0.33 V above the intended value (so the synth controlled by the TT was 4 semitones higher than the TT). Apart from this I used it with the internal sequencer for 3 years without proper problem. hmmm.....
Donderdag
Mainly OCD I guess, but reading through this thread I see there are some annoying bugs with the stock firmware, and the added features of 2.0 actually seems pretty cool. I don't want to be left out of the party w00t

That being said, I did get it pretty cheap, so maybe I'll buy a second one new and mod the shit out of this one nanners
waauu
Does anyone have experience with a TT-303 in some kind of safe mode? I posted this on another forum today but I'll try here as well since I'm desperate for help and think here are some people with a little more in-depth knowledge of the inner workings!

I had my TT-303 plugged in to the original 9V adapter through a daisy-chain cable that was also connected to a Behringer pedal and to a Volca Sample (via a polarity inverter and adapter). I think it was when I powered on the Volca all the leds on the TT-303 started flashing in different colors, and now when I power it up only the function, A, and B leds are glowing in different colors during startup, and then only the function and A leds glow. When pressing the A-button the function led changes color.

Backup with Cyclone studio seemed to be successful, but a firmware update (reinstall I guess) didn't do anything to the problem.
h4ndcrafted
Ok I'm going try in this thread since I had no luck in the other.

Recently backup my Bassbot with their app on Mac , all went fine. Ok so let's update this thing, I follow the procedure to the letter, but about 6th of the way through , the step light stops flashing.

Now the bassbot is powering on, but there is no functionality, no lights etc.

Anybody updated successfully on Mac ?

Contacted Cyclone , they have said I need to sort it out with the dealer ? confused

Oh I see I have the same problem as above , I wonder how many bricked bassbot are out there now ?
h4ndcrafted
Joy of joys!

I updated via my system 1m's ports and the update took, make sure input is not set to system 1m as well, otherwise it just kept telling me to turn off bassbot for some reason confused

Long story short, keep trying other interfaces!

Wired it backup ok via my focusrite pro24 though ?
Badwhite
Do these work pretty reliably now? I keep getting tempted to buy one to replace my shitty xoxbox.... I mean, the xoxbox is okay as it is, but the buttons are getting old, the envelope only runs positive (no negative) and it has the annoying problem of not always sync'ing to MIDI. (sometimes it starts step 1 a 16th note late, which can be cool sometimes, but not randomly!)
dumaisaudio
Badwhite wrote:
Do these work pretty reliably now? I keep getting tempted to buy one to replace my shitty xoxbox.... I mean, the xoxbox is okay as it is, but the buttons are getting old, the envelope only runs positive (no negative) and it has the annoying problem of not always sync'ing to MIDI. (sometimes it starts step 1 a 16th note late, which can be cool sometimes, but not randomly!)


I'm in the same boat. I'd like to get one, but when I read posts about issues, it reminds me that it seems like a very small company with not a lot of support, and with issues just updating the OS, that concerns me.
h4ndcrafted
dumaisaudio wrote:
Badwhite wrote:
Do these work pretty reliably now? I keep getting tempted to buy one to replace my shitty xoxbox.... I mean, the xoxbox is okay as it is, but the buttons are getting old, the envelope only runs positive (no negative) and it has the annoying problem of not always sync'ing to MIDI. (sometimes it starts step 1 a 16th note late, which can be cool sometimes, but not randomly!)


I'm in the same boat. I'd like to get one, but when I read posts about issues, it reminds me that it seems like a very small company with not a lot of support, and with issues just updating the OS, that concerns me.


Not sure about cyclone , but I got mine from superior sounds, they sent me an email and apologised and said they would get it fixed as soon as possible, by then I had got it sorted after going via various instrument midi ports. It has a three yr cover so I was two years into it.

It seems to be reliable for me, the O.S. is great, especially the generate pattern button, endless patterns within seconds, I tend to seq it in my Daw which works well. I love the thing away more than I did my x0x.
None seem to get that glassy point Rez that the original TBs have, but both are close enough, I love running it on batteries, jam anywhere.
£300 can't go wrong, just make sure you have few options for interfacing for updates, and don't take your finger off that 'write' button if you do!
stainers
dumaisaudio wrote:
Badwhite wrote:
Do these work pretty reliably now? I keep getting tempted to buy one to replace my shitty xoxbox.... I mean, the xoxbox is okay as it is, but the buttons are getting old, the envelope only runs positive (no negative) and it has the annoying problem of not always sync'ing to MIDI. (sometimes it starts step 1 a 16th note late, which can be cool sometimes, but not randomly!)


I'm in the same boat. I'd like to get one, but when I read posts about issues, it reminds me that it seems like a very small company with not a lot of support, and with issues just updating the OS, that concerns me.

FWIW I had one and it sounded good, worked well and updated easily with a Mac and MOTU interface. It seems like the troubles people are having are with particular MIDI interfaces but the machine is solid, figuratively (it's actually super plasticky and the shaky pots compared to a TB is part of the reason I sold it).
The customer service may not be that great though, it took me two emails to get a reply when asking about suggestions on particular mod points or a schematic (to which they simply said they cannot, which I found a bit mean for a clone manufacturer)
dumaisaudio
stainers wrote:

FWIW I had one and it sounded good, worked well and updated easily with a Mac and MOTU interface. It seems like the troubles people are having are with particular MIDI interfaces but the machine is solid, figuratively (it's actually super plasticky and the shaky pots compared to a TB is part of the reason I sold it).
The customer service may not be that great though, it took me two emails to get a reply when asking about suggestions on particular mod points or a schematic (to which they simply said they cannot, which I found a bit mean for a clone manufacturer)


I'm on a Mac with a MOTU interface, so that's good to hear. I'm definitely thinking about getting one, it's certainly cheaper than an original!
tony d
I bought one recently and it works great.
computer controlled
I've not had any issues with mine. If you buy new, there's no need to update it as they will be fully updated right off the bat. The second versions have better pots, and have the first step sequencer issue fixed. Which was the only issue i had with the first one i had.
m03
computer controlled wrote:
The second versions have better pots


Yup, there's some discussion w/ pics on GS covering how they appear to have moved to through-hole pots on the newer models:

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electroni c-music-production/788618-bass-bot-tt303-67.html
tony d
That makes sense, i was wondering if everyone was just being over sensitive because i thought all the pots feel fine
waauu
waauu wrote:
Does anyone have experience with a TT-303 in some kind of safe mode? I posted this on another forum today but I'll try here as well since I'm desperate for help and think here are some people with a little more in-depth knowledge of the inner workings!

I had my TT-303 plugged in to the original 9V adapter through a daisy-chain cable that was also connected to a Behringer pedal and to a Volca Sample (via a polarity inverter and adapter). I think it was when I powered on the Volca all the leds on the TT-303 started flashing in different colors, and now when I power it up only the function, A, and B leds are glowing in different colors during startup, and then only the function and A leds glow. When pressing the A-button the function led changes color.

Backup with Cyclone studio seemed to be successful, but a firmware update (reinstall I guess) didn't do anything to the problem.

I posted this on several forums but didn't get any response so I guess it's not a common problem. But just in case anyone experiences the same - the problem is solved!

It was due to a broken shift register on the circuit board containing the buttons and LEDs. It was not super easy to get a hold of in Sweden (got the wrong ones shipped from Elfa...) but I managed to find them on eBay with shipping from UK (plenty of suppliers from Asia with longer delivery times). My friend just changed the HC138a chip and it worked fine again! It's circuit mount so might require some soldering skills. Note that it needs to be the SOIC-16 package.

Anyway, now I have two and one is without warranty so ready for modding! Any tips?
Donderdag
waauu wrote:

Anyway, now I have two and one is without warranty so ready for modding! Any tips?


There's a thread on TT-303 mods here:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140943&highlight=

Hasn't been active in awhile though. I've been keen to try this myself but have a DIY backlog which never seems to clear. Keep us posted if you find some tasty new sounds thumbs up
dB4u
I want to try!!!!
kohpnyn
I recently got a new TT-303 with OS 2.0.
I absolutely love it. It's a very limited monophonic sequencer, but it does what it aims to do perfectly, and I feel proper nails the 303 sound.
You might get bore off folk 'ohhhhh but it's not GENUINE'
Maybe I have shite ears but I can't tell much difference, and producing dance music I don't think people who are (hopefully) dancing are going to care whatsoever either.
The sequencer and user interface are great as well, possibly my favourite. Prefer it to the microbrute.
waauu
Donderdag wrote:
waauu wrote:

Anyway, now I have two and one is without warranty so ready for modding! Any tips?


There's a thread on TT-303 mods here:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140943&highlight=

Hasn't been active in awhile though. I've been keen to try this myself but have a DIY backlog which never seems to clear. Keep us posted if you find some tasty new sounds thumbs up

Thanks a lot!
ratsnake
Had mine for a couple of years now and it works without fail. The adapter that came with it wasn't very reliable though and I am using a different one now. The updates to the sequencer are very nice. It is very very quick to work with. You have to read the manual though. The few emails that I wrote to the company were all answered - even called them once to just chat and they were nice. Also lucked out since I bought a bstock one for 100e cheaper from their website, so keep your eyes peeled for that or just email them if they have any lying around. From what i could tell it was just some cosmetic problems (tiny scratch and sticker peeling).

It is almost too close of a copy of the 303 though, knobs are flimsy and you can crush it very easily..so kinda sucks to baby it around whenever you gig.

kohpnyn wrote:
and I feel proper nails the 303 sound.
You might get bore off folk 'ohhhhh but it's not GENUINE'
Maybe I have shite ears but I can't tell much difference..

I read on the Devilfish page that the TT303 has 20% more range for the cutoff (and/or) resonance - kind of important to keep it mind if you want genuine or whatever..but yeah... it is pretty easy to cut through a room with a TT..
computer controlled
AFAIK, it has more Accent and Env Mod than a stock 303. Not sure about the Cutoff, def not more Resonance.
windspirit
Hey I know that this wasnt a feature on the original 303 but I think the quicksilver OS added it: does anyone know if you can write patterns on the TT303 without stopping the sequence besides just "mutating" it?
computer controlled
Nope. Not possible.
virtualcrimes
forgive me if im missing something but i cannot seem to program my TT like these videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSKs9dbmMRE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV68yA0dPwA

I want to be able to play a melody without having to hit the next button each time.

when i tap the number of steps i want on a blank pattern it populates with random notes. Can anyone successfully do this on their TT?
computer controlled
you HAVE to hit the next button every time to want to add a new note. The TT doesn't program exactly the same as a TB.

Clear the pattern.
Press and hold the Function button, then hit the Step button 16 times. Just to be sure the pattern is 16 steps.
Input your notes.
Press the Time Mode button.
Input your Note Ons, Sustains, rests... When it hits the end of the sequence, it will revert back to play mode.
Go back into Pitch Mode to input your Accents, Slides and Octave jumps. You need to hit the Next button every time. It will revert back to Play mode when finished.
Egils Afro
Just a general concern (as my other 303 clone does this often) Does the TT get stuck notes when running in MIDI mode.. and what causes stuck midi notes and how can I prevent it from happening live (pressing panic seams far from ideal live.
Chopper
No problem with mine after 2 years. Mind you, it's the only thing that receives midi in my setup, and only a midi Clock, so not much to choke on....
ettubaby
This is what the new one looks like, adding a lot of the features of the new TB-03.



New Features for Version 2

Added TAP Input Mode for pattern programming
The pattern generator function produces a wider range of keys and down/up modifiers
Added pattern unroll function. This automatically loops and extends patterns to a length of 16, 32, or 64 steps
Added pattern playback in MIDI Mode for improved integration with DAWs
Added the Live Performance features to MIDI Mode
Added Arpeggiator Mode copy and paste functions. The version of the pattern that the Arpeggiator is currently playing can be copied to the clipboard and pasted as a new pattern
Added pattern color edit function to Arpeggiator Mode
Added sequencer gate width setting (global setting)
Adjusted the taper on the Tempo control to increase the accuracy within the most commonly used range of tempos
Increased LED indicator refresh rate to reduce LED flicker on some video cameras and improve color representation
Several Bugs Fixed


Altitude909
ettubaby wrote:

Increased LED indicator refresh rate to reduce LED flicker on some video cameras and improve color representation


Wat

Sounds like they are digging deep for new features hmmm.....
moremagic
Altitude909 wrote:
ettubaby wrote:

Increased LED indicator refresh rate to reduce LED flicker on some video cameras and improve color representation


Wat

Sounds like they are digging deep for new features hmmm.....
I know this isnt the first time theyve bragged about this, i remember some firmware update they mentioned this and im still just as confused as to its importance
BTS
Quote:
Increased LED indicator refresh rate to reduce LED flicker on some video cameras and improve color representation


Come on guys, we all know the proper LED refresh rate is an essential component in good acid house.
ettubaby
The knobs might be MIDI-able (CC). It still has not been released.

No more C batteries seriously, i just don't get it
computer controlled
ettubaby wrote:
This is what the new one looks like, adding a lot of the features of the new TB-03.



New Features for Version 2

Added TAP Input Mode for pattern programming
The pattern generator function produces a wider range of keys and down/up modifiers
Added pattern unroll function. This automatically loops and extends patterns to a length of 16, 32, or 64 steps
Added pattern playback in MIDI Mode for improved integration with DAWs
Added the Live Performance features to MIDI Mode
Added Arpeggiator Mode copy and paste functions. The version of the pattern that the Arpeggiator is currently playing can be copied to the clipboard and pasted as a new pattern
Added pattern color edit function to Arpeggiator Mode
Added sequencer gate width setting (global setting)
Adjusted the taper on the Tempo control to increase the accuracy within the most commonly used range of tempos
Increased LED indicator refresh rate to reduce LED flicker on some video cameras and improve color representation
Several Bugs Fixed




All that is ALREADY in the TT-303.
drowld
New one looks terrible MY ASS IS BLEEDING
Hopefully the case is more solid now
anselmi
computer controlled wrote:
ettubaby wrote:
This is what the new one looks like, adding a lot of the features of the new TB-03.



New Features for Version 2

Added TAP Input Mode for pattern programming
The pattern generator function produces a wider range of keys and down/up modifiers
Added pattern unroll function. This automatically loops and extends patterns to a length of 16, 32, or 64 steps
Added pattern playback in MIDI Mode for improved integration with DAWs
Added the Live Performance features to MIDI Mode
Added Arpeggiator Mode copy and paste functions. The version of the pattern that the Arpeggiator is currently playing can be copied to the clipboard and pasted as a new pattern
Added pattern color edit function to Arpeggiator Mode
Added sequencer gate width setting (global setting)
Adjusted the taper on the Tempo control to increase the accuracy within the most commonly used range of tempos
Increased LED indicator refresh rate to reduce LED flicker on some video cameras and improve color representation
Several Bugs Fixed




All that is ALREADY in the TT-303.


what its TAP input programming? you just hit keys in real time to input notes as the sequencer runs?
kohpnyn
Dunno what mods Paul Birken has done on his TT303 but it sounds MINT

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOAK8AEhfsD/?taken-by=tonewrecker
anselmi
kohpnyn wrote:
Dunno what mods Paul Birken has done on his TT303 but it sounds MINT

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOAK8AEhfsD/?taken-by=tonewrecker


looks similar to the Devilfish mod screaming goo yo
computer controlled
anselmi wrote:
computer controlled wrote:
ettubaby wrote:
This is what the new one looks like, adding a lot of the features of the new TB-03.



New Features for Version 2

Added TAP Input Mode for pattern programming
The pattern generator function produces a wider range of keys and down/up modifiers
Added pattern unroll function. This automatically loops and extends patterns to a length of 16, 32, or 64 steps
Added pattern playback in MIDI Mode for improved integration with DAWs
Added the Live Performance features to MIDI Mode
Added Arpeggiator Mode copy and paste functions. The version of the pattern that the Arpeggiator is currently playing can be copied to the clipboard and pasted as a new pattern
Added pattern color edit function to Arpeggiator Mode
Added sequencer gate width setting (global setting)
Adjusted the taper on the Tempo control to increase the accuracy within the most commonly used range of tempos
Increased LED indicator refresh rate to reduce LED flicker on some video cameras and improve color representation
Several Bugs Fixed




All that is ALREADY in the TT-303.


what its TAP input programming? you just hit keys in real time to input notes as the sequencer runs?


You input your notes normally, then tap in the rhythm via the Tap button. Like on the original TB.
kohpnyn
anselmi wrote:
kohpnyn wrote:
Dunno what mods Paul Birken has done on his TT303 but it sounds MINT

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOAK8AEhfsD/?taken-by=tonewrecker


looks similar to the Devilfish mod screaming goo yo


Really similar! I've never properly looked at the devilfish mod thing so I didn't recognise it - I thought devilfish was just a few CV ins and outs for some reason.

Wonder if the devilfish guy is doing TT303 now..
AdamJay
as a TT-606 owner, I can say that these cases are much better looking in person than in renderings/pics.
youkon
btw: I want to trade my 1 year old "oldschool housing" TT-303 for a new one. Like the new optic more
youkon
youkon wrote:
btw: I want to trade my 1 year old "oldschool housing" TT-303 for a new one. Like the new optic more


had an auction on ebay: 505 Euro Mr. Green applause hmmm.....

bought the new one.
new one makes way more fun! live sequencing, better feel...
glad I did this

I think, they might have tweaked the sound a bit but don't know. In the end sounds the way you want your 303 sounds


per filter in and osc out, you can bypass the internal osc and use another one hihi just feed it the sequencer's cv as well... or not

push buttons feel great and somhow, I can wiggle better with my big fingers on the new version
DiscoDevil
kohpnyn wrote:
anselmi wrote:
kohpnyn wrote:
Dunno what mods Paul Birken has done on his TT303 but it sounds MINT

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOAK8AEhfsD/?taken-by=tonewrecker


looks similar to the Devilfish mod screaming goo yo


Really similar! I've never properly looked at the devilfish mod thing so I didn't recognise it - I thought devilfish was just a few CV ins and outs for some reason.

Wonder if the devilfish guy is doing TT303 now..


He is. Paul had it modified by Robin Whittle.
darenager
youkon wrote:
youkon wrote:
btw: I want to trade my 1 year old "oldschool housing" TT-303 for a new one. Like the new optic more


bought the new one.
new one makes way more fun! live sequencing, better feel...
glad I did this

I think, they might have tweaked the sound a bit but don't know. In the end sounds the way you want your 303 sounds


per filter in and osc out, you can bypass the internal osc and use another one hihi just feed it the sequencer's cv as well... or not

push buttons feel great and somhow, I can wiggle better with my big fingers on the new version


Yes it seems that the new version sounds a lot more like my (modified) TB-303 than the old one did, the TB-303 has had bass boost and the extended range mods done, and the TT sounds pretty close to it, although the cutoff does not go as low.

The Lab and Loop Edit are great features, I think it is a very good acid machine.

TB-03 is good also but pretty different both in sound and features than the TT, TB-03 sounds more like my non modded TB-303 but not exact as you'd expect, still worth having though, the delay and extended note range are superb.
RobJB06
I think the best thing about the new machine is that it outputs cv gate AND accent out... so you can use it to say make basslines on a modular with those slides and accents, whereas the old one just put out cv and gate
MrTurboparrot
drowld wrote:
New one looks terrible MY ASS IS BLEEDING
Hopefully the case is more solid now


This was a worry for me too. I bought a MAM Retro MB-33 instead.

99 GBP new, and (for me) sounds better than the TT303 [hide icon] Dead Banana
h4ndcrafted
I'd miss the battery power, I don't use the TT that often and it's handy to have less power requirements.

Looks way more tactile though, might look for one secondhand in a while. Is the case the same sort of plastic ?or more substantial?

Why do clone designs still insist on putting the tuning next to the other controls , it drives me nuts d'oh!
drowld
MrTurboparrot wrote:
drowld wrote:
New one looks terrible MY ASS IS BLEEDING
Hopefully the case is more solid now


This was a worry for me too. I bought a MAM Retro MB-33 instead.

99 GBP new, and (for me) sounds better than the TT303 [hide icon] Dead Banana


Nah the MaM doesnt sound better at all but it's ok.
The new TT303 is way nicer when you see it for real
X-Electric
DiscoDevil wrote:

He is. Paul had it modified by Robin Whittle.


Not true.

tonewrecker wrote:
Mods by midnight engineering. He is Daan Doeleman.
DiscoDevil
X-Electric wrote:
DiscoDevil wrote:

He is. Paul had it modified by Robin Whittle.


Not true.

tonewrecker wrote:
Mods by midnight engineering. He is Daan Doeleman.


Ah. Interesting. I swear he told me Whittle did the mods at the time.
binray
Double post
binray
It says on the CA site https://www.cyclone-analogic.fr/en/34-bass-bot-tt-303-0701980493430.ht ml

Under Global features - "Shuffle Amount | Slide Time | Gate Length "

Has anyone found how to adjust shuffle or slide? I can't see anything in the manual for FW v2.0

Also, in the manual for v2.0 it says

"Tip! You can also control the arpeggiator from an external MIDI controller."

I cannot work out how to do this. Anyone?

Two other things that would be nice - free running arpeggios, and midi transpose of a sequence? Are these possible on the TT303?
smilinggoat
Does anyone know if the original TT-303 is going to get another firmware update for feature parity with the new version?
binray
They seem to have named firmware for the new bassbot 1.0 which is pretty confusing. And the new instadj version is now confusingly "OS 1.0"
I have both models and the new one is a bit different . there are 4 banks instead of a b aa bb which is a bit worse but there are 12 patterns per bank which is better.
The old bassbot can be updated to instadj 2.0 though not all the features described seem to work eg the midi controlled arpeggiator. This feature isnt mentioned in the manual for the new bassbot, so i guess it got shelved. Hard to know since cyclone analogic dont seem to reply to emails.
They sound very similar , though the new one i have , resonance goes higher into self oscillation.
The sync to midi clock seems a bit sketchy on both models. Sometimes its bang on and sometimes it lags consistently behing about 10ms. The build of the new model is way better...not like a big xmas cracker prize.
computer controlled
The build on the old one is the same as the original 303.
Ranxerox
computer controlled wrote:
The build on the old one is the same as the original 303.


Actually I think the original Roland TB-303 is a bit different - by comparison, on the older Bassbot the plastic feels thinner, knobs and tact switches feel different. Not quite as satisfying to use, although pretty good overall.
kohpnyn
I love mine. The arpeggiator is something else.
Quite tempted to get a v2..
binray
kohpnyn wrote:
I love mine. The arpeggiator is something else.
Quite tempted to get a v2..


Did you manage to control the arpeggiator using MIDI?
kohpnyn
binray wrote:
kohpnyn wrote:
I love mine. The arpeggiator is something else.
Quite tempted to get a v2..


Did you manage to control the arpeggiator using MIDI?


I've not actually tried. I'll give it a go later this eve
mafgar
Soo is anyone modding this for $$ ? I will definitely destroy mine if I try. I'd love to get some more cv functionality out of my ol tt303
binray
Ƶl8® wrote:
The market has been screaming for a new 303 for 20+ years and the only words from Roland is "We can replicate that" and they gave us the MC-303 applause

Roland can go fuck themselves!


Well Ikutaro Kakehashi who founded Roland died this week so that should make you happy. What is your legacy by the way?
Shledge
I can't seem to find any decent links in regards to modding it. I want to add the likes of more CV control, additional resonance etc.
berfmurret
not gonna post his email directly here.. but here is midnight engineering's instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/hans_acid/
gosh
I've kind of given up on the whittle devil fish tt303 mods. I'm meant to be second on the list for them, going back years. I've emailed him about once every 6 months or so and it's always in the pipeline but never near. A shame. I suspect that if it ever happens he may now only mod the new one given the old ones will be rarer to find.
Who knows.
Kinda gone off acieeed anyway in the period.
Shledge
berfmurret wrote:
not gonna post his email directly here.. but here is midnight engineering's instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/hans_acid/


He sells mods, though? I just want a resource where I can do it myself.
Luap
Shledge wrote:


He sells mods, though? I just want a resource where I can do it myself.


From what i've read, the key parts of the circuit are the same as the original 303, but in surface mount form (the component designations even look similar..?). Meaning many 303/x0xb0x mods are relevant to the TT too.

The catch is that the 303/x0xb0x uses through hole parts, which are fairly easy to work with. The TT uses surface mount parts, which are not nearly as DIY friendly. But if that doesn't faze you, then have at it, because theres a bunch of well documented mods out there already cool
fattyparts
now that the MKii is out what's a fair price for a good condition MK1? the first version looks so much better imo but i think perhaps the sequencer is not as good?
darenager
Seems like the old version are more expensive now perhaps because of the similar case to the TB and battery power, but really the mk2 is better in every way. The case looks better IRL than in pics, it is built much sturdier, has proper midi ports, more interfacing options, etc etc. Unless you really want battery power go for a mk2.
fattyparts
thanks for the info, i had no idea the MKii does not have battery power! i'm thinking about selling mine but i'm not sure what price i should be asking.
JimmaJamJamie
fattyparts wrote:
thanks for the info, i had no idea the MKii does not have battery power! i'm thinking about selling mine but i'm not sure what price i should be asking.


Sold mine on eBay a month ago for £420. Originally bought it for £343 from Juno.
fattyparts
help please.

could anyone with a TT303 MK1 please take a photo of the waveform switch on the back and send it to me?

i recently sold mine, but it was returned because the buyer complained about the waveform switch being too buried too deep into the fascia. i must admit i never noticed it before, but looking at it now it does seem a little fiddly to get to. it's not a problem for studio use, but i guess it could be an issue for live use. i'm wondering if mine has badly assembled? i plan on selling it again, but i'm not in the business of ripping people off, so it would be cool the have it confirmed one way or the other. cheers!
Shledge
The switch is buried a bit in the back - that's normal.

Bit of a silly reason to return something.
fattyparts
that's good to hear. i suspect i was dealing with someone with buyers remorse! :(
nadafarms
Mine showed up new with a broken pot and I missed my window to ship it back Dead Banana now I don't even use it
tarmoog
Does VCO out in mk2 model output VCO before vca or after?

And Filter in does it mix input signal with internal VCO or internal VCO is turn off while external signal is in use?

Thanks in advance.
Panason
There is someone on ebay UK selling mk1 TT303s with a beaten up front panel and the Cyclone logo removed and passing them off as original TBs, for £1400... I guess whoever pays that, deserves it...
The TT sounds just as good to me though, and the sequencer is dope.
tarmoog
Anyone here owns mk2? and maybe able to answer to my questions?
Would be really fun to take direct osc out and put it into PLL like synchrodyne. But that wouldnt work if OSC out is after vca and envelope affect amplitude.
tarmoog
Now since I got my hands on tt-303 mk2 I can answer my own question, VCO out is before vca and works nice with eurorack, might need some boost for some cases. But I was able to sync other oscillators with it just fine.

Filter in disconnects internal VCO.

Pattern generation AI and pattern mutate functions are super fun also.
Panason
How difficult would it be to mod the TT so that the oscillator output is doubled and the second signal is sent to the VCA bypassing the filter so you end up with a blend of the filtered and unfiltered sound?
tarmoog
No idea about how hard it would be to make that mod, but with extra vca, envelope (doepfer a-142 is 303 decay) and mixer you could achieve that with your modular.
anselmi
Panason wrote:
How difficult would it be to mod the TT so that the oscillator output is doubled and the second signal is sent to the VCA bypassing the filter so you end up with a blend of the filtered and unfiltered sound?


it´s SMT, so I think it´s a bit harder than in a thru-hole board...anyway I know some skilled people that performed mods in SMT stuff, so I think is do-able
Tboy
Is there anyone here with experience with both the Mk1 and Mk2 and can he or she confirm the sound is different? I’d like to swap with my Mk1 due to the additional outputs on the Mk2. I’ve been listening to clips on Youtube where they compare the two but as long as settings aren’t set identical it’s useless to try and spot any differences.
Panason
The definitive answer would be had if you emailed Cyclone and asked them if all the synth components are the same... I think they are.
Tboy
That crossed my mind, but I don’t know if they’d be truthfull, as that might have a negative effect on sales...
Panason
They would be pretty stupid to lie!

Maybe someone who has both mk1 and mk2 can open them up and examine the components., but I don't see why they would do anything that would change the sound. The mk2 was about fixing an issue with the knobs, adding some features and -I guess- changing the look so it's not infringing on Roland's patents.
Tboy
I sent them an e-mail. I’ll wait and see.
Tboy
Up till now no response I’m afraid, neither through their own website and neither through their Ebay store where I actually showed interest for the TTBB mk2 they were offering. I read a lot of posts lately regarding their lack in responding to e-mail. Damn shame as well as frustrating...
WaveRider
Tboy wrote:
Up till now no response I’m afraid, neither through their own website and neither through their Ebay store where I actually showed interest for the TTBB mk2 they were offering. I read a lot of posts lately regarding their lack in responding to e-mail. Damn shame as well as frustrating...

yeah they did not respond to my email (questions)
does not help in buying more of their products
mckenic
I always dealt with Superior Sound London for support (even though I bought elsewhere).

Dont know if that helps...
Tboy
Cheers mckenic, appreciated.
Panason
A few months ago I noticed they were talking about MIDI CC control of the TT303's parameters. I emailed them about that and about 2 weeks later I got a reply "we'll get back to you soon". They never did of course but that bit about MIDI CCs was quietly removed from the website. lol

That Cyclone Analogic website is currently "under maintenance" meh and they have another site http://tt-303.com which is still running. It doesn't look like this company will be around for much longer, if they haven't already dissolved.
They haven't even bothered to put the manuals for their drum machines online.
Tboy
Panason wrote:
It doesn't look like this company will be around for much longer, if they haven't already dissolved.


Same thoughts here waah shame though if that would be the case....
Panason
The main Cyclone Analogic site is back online so there is some hope! I was hoping for an 808 box from them but Behringer are in there now...
Tboy
Cheers for the heads-up Panason.
I was hoping to see something fresh and new to give me some hope, but it all seems the same.
Tboy
Since having the website back in the air I emailed CA again and asked them bluntly if they’re ever planning on replying to incoming mail, after which I in fact received a reply; “Please, what is your problem?”

I repeated my previous question regarding hardware changes on the MK2 causing a negative effect on the sound compared to the MK1. Not having heard from them well over a month now I’m sticking with the theory that they have fiddled with the guts of the MK2.
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