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Post by Chuck E. Jesus » Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:16 pm

i've been kicking around the idea of picking up another Euro filter to provide some sonic variety...i currently have Doepfer 120 and 121, and a Roland System 100 (101/102) which i patch up with my Euro stuff...i also have a Pro One which uses the SSM filter chip i believe...so i'm thinking of something unlike these, but i'm not sure what else...thought about a vactrol style (not sure which brand), or maybe something more "extreme"...i like what i've heard from the ASYS "Putney" as it sounds very squelchy, but it's hard to tell how different it would sound from the Rolands...

at this point i'm very much open for suggestions...

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Post by sgnhh » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:00 pm

I only have experience with the Livewire Frequensteiner and the Harvestman Polivoks (two reissues, har har har) and I have to say that I absolutely love the Polivoks as a filter and an audio source. The Frequensteiner is a good filter, but as an audio source, I found it to be very poor (this is important to me, may not be to you). I was also pretty unimpressed with it's CV modulation. On the other hand, I can't imagine the Polivoks being half of what it is without it's CV ins. That bi-polar CV multiplier is freaking amazing. What the Frequensteiner does have over the Polivoks is the option for high pass... but then the Polivoks has two inputs and continuous low pass and band pass outputs (compared to the Frequensteiner's one input/one output), which I also really like.

To sum it up, I guess the Frequensteiner is a more accomplished filter, but the Polivoks has more features which I enjoy and find much more useful. It's a very mean sounding filter.

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Post by Chuck E. Jesus » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:41 pm

sgnhh wrote:
To sum it up, I guess the Frequensteiner is a more accomplished filter, but the Polivoks has more features which I enjoy and find much more useful. It's a very mean sounding filter.
i've thought about them, along with the Plan B M12 (i think), and Deopfer has so many damn filters, i'm confused!

if you (or anyone else) have some demos that showcase the filters, please post them in the demo thread (no rush, i'm not planning on buying them right off)...the problem with these mods is you can't pop down to the GC and try them out...i'm not really in a position to gamble right now, so i'm going to do as much research as i can....

and thanks!
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Post by sgnhh » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:43 pm

My Frequensteiner is gone but I can have a Polivoks demo in about a week, maybe less.

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Post by zerosum » Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:07 pm

How much do you want to spend?
Why a filter and not another type of module you don't have already?

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Post by Chuck E. Jesus » Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:53 pm

zerosum wrote: Why a filter and not another type of module you don't have already?
good question...i'm pretty happy with what i have, but i could use something like a joy stick/ribbon controller, and some logic modules, and some more utility stuff...not to mention the Harvestman Tyme Safari, AWG, etc...and now the Hex Zone: where does it end :lol:

but i thought it would be good to have one more filter for sonic variety, been thinking about it for awhile...now that there a few more euro people here, i thought it would be a good time to throw out the question...i've been experimenting more with using multiple filters in series/parallel configs, but i thought maybe one more filter might be cool... i just can't decide if i want a vactrol type or a "weirdo" type...

as far as price: i actually have to sell off some stuff before i purchase more tbh, i'll see what i have when i do that...i'm pretty much thinking ahead, but when used stuff pops up you kinda have to jump on the opportunity...

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Post by Chuck E. Jesus » Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:55 pm

sgnhh wrote:My Frequensteiner is gone but I can have a Polivoks demo in about a week, maybe less.
cool, no hurry...

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Post by felix » Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:38 am

ross g wrote:i just can't decide if i want a vactrol type or a "weirdo" type...
I think you'd really like the Plan B M11. It's vactrol and it's weirdo. It definitely has a unique sound.

I too have a Frequensteiner and a Polivoks and I love them both, for different reasons. But, my next filter, as I'm sure they'll be another, will be the M11.

The M12 is very enticing though. The only thing I don't like about it is that it doesn't self-oscillate. I've come to almost rely on self-oscillating filters as sound sources/FM mod sources.

I have a Frostwave Resonator MS-20 clone that I love too. The Doepfer Xtreme filter is practically the same thing and might be worth looking into as well.
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Post by flts » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:57 am

I have a Doepfer LPG which seems to sound really fun (has a resonance control too and it self-oscillates nicely!) but apparently very unlike the Plan B vactrol stuff. Can't make any proper demos before I get the first VCO for the system though, hehe.

I've been looking for another filter to complement that one, really interested in the Polivoks VCF so far. What I'm wondering is how it is capable of working in the bog standard synth bass department? It seems to have a wonderfully sick character and resonance (and it's compact!) but how does it sound in the LP mode with a bit less resonance - bass light, bass heavy? The LPG might be nice for that kind of stuff too though, I'll have to try it out.

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Post by sgnhh » Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:00 am

Hey Felix, does the M11 do expo VCA or linear VCA?

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Post by felix » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:41 pm

VCA? Do you mean does it have linear or exp CV (plan b calls them VC) inputs?

I'm not sure. I know Peter has said that the main "VC Freq" input is scaled hotter than 1v/Oct so it does not track a keyboard "properly", but I don't know if the "FM Input" is exp or linear.

My "guess" is it's linear. What do I base my guess on? Nothing...completely uneducated guess.
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Post by sgnhh » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:03 pm

Oops, I meant the M13.

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Post by felix » Sat Mar 22, 2008 3:43 am

Ah! Honestly, I don't know for sure...because of the way the vactrol works I'm not sure exactly what it is.

I'm gonna say it's closer to an exponential response; there is a very short slew to the attack and a very "natural" sounding built in decay.

It's a little hard to explain...it doesn't "follow" the input voltage control like a normal VCA would with fast signals, but with slower signals it "follows" a little more closely. It could certainly function as your main output VCA.

An intersting thing about the vactrols and how they respond to voltage...you can feed gate/triggers into the M13 instead of an envelope and still get a nice percussive sound and you don't get that "click" sound that you would with a non-vactrol based VCA. A very fun application like this is taking the M28 1/8th and tripple outs and using those to open the gates.

Man, I really want to get my case wrapped up so I can get back to patching again! :)
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Post by a100user » Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:40 am

For a filter recommendation I love my Analogue Solutions SY02 which is an MS20 inspired filter
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Post by Chuck E. Jesus » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:39 pm

after thinking about it and listening to various demos, i'm thinking a Plan B vactrol based filter would be the way to go...i like the "goo", the wet ringing tone they provide...not sure if the M12 or M13 is the best choice...seems the M12 would give a little more flex, and self osc is not an issue...do both the M12 and M13 provide that same Buchla style ringing/wooden quality? also curious how the Doepfer LPG stacks up, it's significantly less expensive...

sadly, i think i won't be able to afford anything too soon, i really think i need to get a Tranzport before i add any more modular gear...but i at least have a better idea what to save up for ...

thanks for all replies btw :)

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Post by felix » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:01 pm

the M12 and 13 both have that great organic "woody" quality, I imagine the M13 would still exceed at plucky sounds. I think the M12 is the right way to go...I personally wouldn't really consider the M13 a filter as it really doesn't excell at that...its definitley more of a VCA.

The Doepfer LPG is pretty cool, especially since it has a resonance control, but it doesn't sound as good as the M13 IMO. It doesnt have enough of that organic woodines to the tone.
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Post by flts » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:46 am

Without having actually heard M12 and M13 in action, only the demos, the Doepfer LPG I have seems to be a pretty different beast. Can't say which one sounds better (I like the Doepfer module's sound a lot too) but if it's the cool ringy, woody tone you want, I'm pretty sure Plan B would be the way to go.

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