East what? What coast? What what?!

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East what? What coast? What what?!

Post by lordmasakrator » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:33 am

It seems quite obvious here, that things are "west coast" or "east coast" style. What does that mean? I know AD transients are specific to one of those styles, but which, and why? Or "East coast envelope done west coast style". Is it somehow related to Cold War?

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Post by lordmasakrator » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:45 am

thanks, I was searching the forum for explanation, but couldn't find anything. Must have overlooked it.

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Post by numan7 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:47 am

lordmasakrator wrote:Is it somehow related to Cold War?
:soapbox: aux contraire, lordmasakrator... the war of the of synthesizers actually went full-on Hot several times during the 1960s and 70s (and should not to be confused with the less interesting Cold one)! :nuke:

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Post by falafelbiels » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:52 am

It's Biggy and Pac...

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Re: East what? What coast? What what?!

Post by jonah » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:09 am

lordmasakrator wrote:Is it somehow related to Cold War?
I wish!

My question is, if I use a resonant filter( or filters) to start a patch, FM it (Hi, Filterbank!) , wave shape it, and so on and then at the end run the sound back into the filter, what's that?

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Post by KnobHell » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:18 am

I think it's pretty simple to explained... You guys should stop jacking him around.

East coast: you wear a suit and tie to play your synth.

West coast: ble jeans and sandals.


It's all about attitude...

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Post by CJ Miller » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:26 am

Not again... It's tedious when people not only split into camps, but do so over those classifications rife with bogosity. Someday, somewhere, this question will eventually be asked for the last time.

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Post by negativspace » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:39 am

It's a pretty harmless question. :despair:

The answer is somewhat irrelevant in 2013, but in researching it you will learn about synthesizer history so it's a valid pursuit.
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Post by sduck » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:43 am

Moog, EML, and a few others were East Coast. Serge, Buchla, EMU and a few others were West Coast. At least in the 60's. Completely bogus distinctions now though.
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Post by lordmasakrator » Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:32 pm

It's super clear for me now, what coast is what. It definitely helps understand history, but it will also help me understand some posts here :tu:

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Post by bouzoukijoe1 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:39 pm

falafelbiels wrote:It's Biggy and Pac...
it's Elvis and The Beatles

:hihi:

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Post by falafelbiels » Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:53 pm

bouzoukijoe1 wrote:
falafelbiels wrote:It's Biggy and Pac...
it's Elvis and The Beatles

:hihi:
If that were so, tedious it would be indeed...

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Post by chrisso » Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:37 pm

I wouldn't say it was bogus now.
It's a regularly used short cut phrase to describe subtractive synthesis of the Moog, Arp type, versus FM and Waveshaping synthesis of the Serge, Buchla type.
Of course it's not black & white. But while people still use the terms, other people will still ask what they mean.

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Post by Mefistophelees » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:56 pm

I wrote this explanation on gearslutz:



There isn't a real definition of this but I'll explain what I think.
It's not so much about synthesis techniques because there is a lot of crossover. I think it's more about philosophy because it's mostly the same parts but wired up in different ways.

East coast is generally taken to mean Moog and subtractive synthesis. The action in these is really all in a low pass resonant filter.

West coast is about 2 styles: Buchla and Serge.
The action here is in complex oscillators and waveform manipulation with wave folders etc. Rather than filtering out harmonics they modify the waves directly.

Buchla does complex modules that do lot of functionality. The DPO is a good example of a Buchla like module.

Serge was the opposite in that his modules were very simple and you made things with combinations of them. I think an example of these is the Make noise Maths. It has a number of relatively simple components but you can wire them up in many different ways to do different jobs (it's an amazingly versatile module).

Buchla is also into alternative controllers, not just keyboards. He also did modules that produce amazingly musical random voltages. Because of these there is a lot of avant guard type of music made with Buchla systems.

This all happened many many years ago and since then everyone has influenced everyone else so the distinctions are not really there now.

One thing that does bug me is that a lot of people seem to just talk about east and west coast as if they were the only way to do things. This ignores the developments in the rest of the world. There are actually a lot of modules based on ideas from different places in eurorack. There are modules based on ideas from France, England, Germany, Japan and probably many other countries besides.

All that said it's useful to know about east and west coast approaches.

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Post by felixer » Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:50 pm

jonah wrote:if I use a resonant filter( or filters) to start a patch, FM it (Hi, Filterbank!) , wave shape it, and so on and then at the end run the sound back into the filter, what's that?
KnobHell wrote:you wear a suit .... and sandals.
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Post by stk » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:41 pm

bouzoukijoe1 wrote:
falafelbiels wrote:Biggy and Pac...
Elvis and The Beatles
Beard vs Ponytail

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Post by odecahedron » Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:09 pm

more often lately i hear about shit sounding "berlin"... is that to say liek Schultz/TD kinda sound orrrr....?

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Post by mrcharles » Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:59 pm

I think lordmasakrator may have inadvertantly offered the name of a new genre...

...What Coast...

I'll rally around that flag...

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Post by lilakmonoke » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:08 pm

i think "berlin school" which means sequencer or pattern based music is just as important. i consider myself "new berlin school" and i can say that because i live in berlin ;-)

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Post by nikmis » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:17 pm

East Coast, West Coast, Berlin I am none of the above. I'm just internet

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Post by odecahedron » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:53 pm

lilakmonoke wrote:i think "berlin school" which means sequencer or pattern based music is just as important. i consider myself "new berlin school" and i can say that because i live in berlin ;-)

oooh thats me too then, because....

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Post by KnobHell » Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:07 pm

KnobHell wrote:you wear a suit .... and sandals.
:mrgreen:[/quote]

:yay:

Now that's a twist on my words that made be bust out loud laughing.

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Post by Peake » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:08 am

There's a great book called "Analog Days"...
This is not the place I'd imagined it to be.

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Post by drip.feed » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:48 pm

Isn't this interesting?

My interpretation of The Coasts has nothing to do with the machines. Rather it describes the sounds and music.

East Coast: 'conventional' (pardon the irony) Western music; musical scales; riffs & sequences; Berlin; pop and rock music. So called because Moog made the first accessible synths by putting keyboards on them.

West coast: soundscapes; experimental; esoteric; not your daytime radio fare. So called because Buchla (maybe Serge too?) was the primary go-to maker of such instruments.
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