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The New Buchla Music Easel
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Author The New Buchla Music Easel
xpander
okay you lucky bastards at NAMM, let's here about it!

Junk Rhythm
Spill it. Start talking. We want to know everything.
CF3
Wow!
amnesia
$4k!!!!! sold
HueMonContact
amnesia wrote:
$4k!!!!! sold


Hey Ross,
Where did you get the 4k price tag from?
I need to know how much gear I have to sell so I can get one of these ASAP!
This is fun! This is fun! This is fun!
richard
well well
550b
Via Electronic Musician:

amnesia
I am just going by what others were told on the other topic Buchla Namm 2013
amnesia
$4k seems like a brillaint price. This will sell really well at that price. ANy higher and you loose customers.
moogboy
That's less than a Minimoog Voyager XL. I think I know what my next major gear purchase is going to be.
bwhittington
Crikey. I'll save heaping on more hyperbole until I see more details and a maybe few demoes, but this may do much to ease my grief over my low number in the Synthi queue.

All I wanted when I got into modulars was a little suitcase synth for meditative twiddling in my spare time. My wall of modules was a complete accident. lol
sascha.victoria
$3995?! Hot damn. Told ja so.
sascha.victoria
bluetooth!?!??!?!?!
darenager
If the 4k pricetag is true I predict an influx of cheap Euro in B/S/T hihi
550b
Love that t-shirt stashed in the lid, too!
Reese P. Dubin
Oh god no
NO NO NO
chrisso
I would like to know what the actual constituent modules are. Hard to be sure from the pics.
Same as original Easel or different/modified?
amnesia
xpander
i heard "between $3k-$4k" which i immediately interpreted at $3999... so it's $4 cheaper than a thought!

looking forward to owning one.
Moog$FooL$
they will sell very many of these, i should think. no??

woah
dan_p
darenager wrote:
If the 4k pricetag is true I predict an influx of cheap Euro in B/S/T hihi


^ ha, yes, good time to by secondhand synth gear I think.

price is much less than I was expecting, I wasn't even getting excited as i thought it would be way too spend to consider.

If it is $4k then the problem is no longer the price but the waiting list.

MY ASS IS BLEEDING
zapp550
I almost hope that price isn't right, cause it was easier to dismiss when I thought it was well out of my range screaming goo yo
elmegil
How do the programming cards work? I'm fairly ignorant of Buchla stuff, so if there's a standard answer I'd be happy with just a link.
3vcos
Is it me or do the touchates look love size of full keys. I think the original had plates about 3/4 size.
GeoffC
I wonder if they/someone will republish the Allen Strange book on the Music Easel; it would be great to be able to buy a good clear copy of that book.

GeoffC
Rod Serling Fan Club
chrisso wrote:
I would like to know what the actual constituent modules are. Hard to be sure from the pics.
Same as original Easel or different/modified?


Based on the pictures it is basically the same as the original with a few small changes. Is thats what you means or are you asking for a breakdown of the easel functions?

Individual functions, roughly are:
program card for "presets"
5 stage sequencer
Envelope generator (3 stage)
Pulser (trigger generator)
Random voltage source
Complex oscillator (not as complex as a 259, but lot's going on including a balanced modulator from the external in, "timbre" waveshaper, FMing, etc.)
voltage inverter
Dual LPG
Mixer
Spring reverb
keyboard with protamento, appreggiator, preset voltage sources
Slabwax
elmegil wrote:
How do the programming cards work? I'm fairly ignorant of Buchla stuff, so if there's a standard answer I'd be happy with just a link.


+1, I was just about to ask the same question.
Entrainer
OK, next question...

availability..
We talking a year? 6 months?

Bowen Solaris prototype to public was like 2-3 years IIRC.
xpander
here's a link to a PDF of the original manual. card programming is under "meta-programming", page 23.

http://www.wavemakers-synth.com/buchla/PaMtEO.pdf

franzschuier
Looks as if its not mountable in a 200e System, which s a bummer...
sempervirent
Almost as surprising as the "low" price is the retention of the removable cards for preset storage. Strange choice. Looks like some knobs are gray and some are blue, 200e style, so I guess not settings are stored in the preset.

What I meant to say was: $4K? *looks around studio for things to sell*

GeoffC wrote:
I wonder if they/someone will republish the Allen Strange book on the Music Easel; it would be great to be able to buy a good clear copy of that book.


Here's a pretty clear PDF version:
http://www.synthfool.com/docs/Buchla/PaMtEO.pdf
sascha.victoria
franzschuier wrote:
Looks as if its not mountable in a 200e System, which s a bummer...


Why so? Looks like 2x 4 panel boats in there. The original 208 was pretty deep but if they used SMT they should have been able to make it slimmer.
cbm
franzschuier wrote:
Looks as if its not mountable in a 200e System, which s a bummer...

Why do you say this? Have I missed something? I've just been imagining what I would add to this ins a Skylab case and a 12 space case as my ultimate portable rig.
franzschuier
Do the screws align? i thought they are to evenly spaced.
chrisso
For me this makes most sense as a self contained portable Buchla.
Of course you could slave it to a bigger system any time, but racking it would be somewhat pointless IMHO.
PF
Moog$FooL$ wrote:
they will sell very many of these, i should think. no??

woah


Buchla is the new Volvo...
xpander
franzschuier wrote:
Do the screws align? i thought they are to evenly spaced.

apparently the case they'll ultimately be in is not what they have at NAMM. it's probably a prototype hack.
richard
I honestly never, ever thought this would happen, though with some "external" commercial pressure on Don to clean up on his own legacy and make something a lot of people will actually buy it more than makes sense. Demand will be high, I hope they can deal with it.

It depends on the sonics of course (I'm not a huge 200e fan really) but for the first time in my life I'm gonna say I think I will own a Buchla music easel one day. Much as I love the Serge, it is not a gigging instrument and that is really what I need.

I won't buy one new though, they'll be all over the BST in 18 months hihi

and ermm, this thing badly needs a blue case!
cbm
I think the screws might work in a standard boat. If you look at the original 208, it has similar spacing.

@chrisso - while this will be great stand-alone, it would also make a great foundation for a slightly larger performance system.
numan7
thumbs up supercalifragilisticexpialidocious baby!!!! BOOM!

cheers
xpander
via brandon daniel:

"I was told that the new presto patch card has the bluetooth, and this will allow for remote digital patch storage/recall as well as real time control."
Macron
218e design is epic fail, I think, very sad...waah
How it is can be? After 222e (and many more awesome touch controllers before!) made this piece of crap? seriously, how it happen? Who made this?
not this shit again
Kent




I've got a 3 year old daughter. As such, I've been getting rather good at playing 'Spot The Difference' games. Let's play one now, but I'll suggest dispensing with minor things like font differences, knobs, jack colors, etc. Let's look for the interesting things, shall we?

• The silkscreening for the 3 waveform types in the "Timbre" section differ. The original has Spike, Square & Triangle.
• The current unit has 4 switches in the oscillator section.

Anyone else wanna play?
Kent
Macron wrote:
218e design is epic fail, I think, very sad...waah
How it is can be? After 222e (and many more awesome touch controllers before!) made this piece of crap? seriously, how it happen? Who made this?
not this shit again


How so? What on earth are you talking about? Additionally, why would you not be more careful with the words you use to express your alarm and amazement? "piece of crap" is totally unwarranted and is an insult to the people that just busted their humps in getting this product to the market.

Also, try to not use the latest in worn out internet speak. "Epic Fail"? Please look up the words "epic" and "fail". I normally cut those without native English skills a lot of slack, but I'll make an exception in your case as you are being reactionary and callous.

Picard emoticon indeed.
Matos
nanners
I'm with Richard though. I'll bide my time until one pops up is BST. Till then I'll watch from the sidelines greatly enjoys the many riches of euro.
MN3005
Macron wrote:
218e design is epic fail, I think, very sad...waah
How it is can be? After 222e (and many more awesome touch controllers before!) made this piece of crap? seriously, how it happen? Who made this?
not this shit again

My guess is you've never played with a 218.
Spiked Lunch
Also very much interested but want to hear/see more and get some post honeymoon reports before I flood the B/S/T.

I really like the idea of a small, self contained system.
franzschuier
chrisso wrote:
For me this makes most sense as a self contained portable Buchla.
Of course you could slave it to a bigger system any time, but racking it would be somewhat pointless IMHO.


Analog Buchla Osc's. If the sound of the 267e is a glimpse how the Osc will sound on this one.... nanners
Isabelle Gall
It looks absolutely beautiful, and I'm so glad they stuck with the original design for this reason (particularly the red and blue of the 218e).

Exciting also as if they're willing to redo the Easel in this way then perhaps they're considering a 259 reissue amongst others, who knows? In any case, congratulations are in order today to Don and all at BEMI.
sempervirent
Kent wrote:
Anyone else wanna play?


Arpeggiator on the new one, along with four preset voltages on the top right of the 218e instead of three.

Knobs on the 218e have no pointers, might be encoders?

Also worth noting, "Buchla Electronic Musical Instruments" on the lower right of the top panel (first appearance of this new brand on hardware I believe).
pricklyrobot
Kent wrote:
Macron wrote:
218e design is epic fail, I think, very sad...waah
How it is can be? After 222e (and many more awesome touch controllers before!) made this piece of crap? seriously, how it happen? Who made this?
not this shit again


How so? What on earth are you talking about? Additionally, why would you not be more careful with the words you use to express your alarm and amazement? "piece of crap" is totally unwarranted and is an insult to the people that just busted their humps in getting this product to the market.

Also, try to not use the latest in worn out internet speak. "Epic Fail"? Please look up the words "epic" and "fail". I normally cut those without native English skills a lot of slack, but I'll make an exception in your case as you are being reactionary and callous.

Picard emoticon indeed.
Also, I've been wondering for a while now, if "fail" is now the more popular noun choice, does "failure" become the de facto verb form. As in: 'I attempted to communicate effectively, but I failured, epically." hmmm.....
E.A.S.
jack to the left of the card edge connector.

-M
Kent
sempervirent wrote:
Kent wrote:
Anyone else wanna play?


Arpeggiator on the new one, along with four preset voltages on the top right of the 218e instead of three.

Knobs on the 218e have no pointers, might be encoders?

Also worth noting, "Buchla Electronic Musical Instruments" on the lower right of the top panel (first appearance of this new brand on hardware I believe).


Thanks for pointing those out. I should have been clear that I was talking about the 208 modules as they are being touted as 'clones' by BEMI (excluding the Bluetooth & WiFi stuff). The keyboard is a new item.
sempervirent
Sure. I don't see any other differences on the 208 though.
chinard
damn..


damn damn damn damn


DAMN!!!!


just when i thought i had my buchla lust under control...
Macron
Wow! Don't beat me!) It is just my opinion! My first reaction was: - "Just another easel clone?" Or feeling, like you see Killer Instinct 3 intro on You Tube.

And I talk only about design, it is terrible for bucla standarts, just IMHO, ok?

Yes, I don't played on real 218, but I know how to play on a more little keys, like a Casio VL-1, for example.
darenager
chrisso
Macron wrote:
My first reaction was: - "Just another easel clone?"


Because the market is saturated with 'Easel Clones'?

Quote:
And I talk only about design, it is terrible for bucla standarts, just IMHO, ok?


Hard to say from a couple of pics only surely?
My model 216 is even more basic than the Easel touchplate..... and I absolutely love it.
Like many music forum posts you went for 'piece of crap, instead of 'meh, doesn't look that good to me'.
If you don't like the look of it, it still isn't an 'epic fail...piece of crap'.
itijik
Oh no...love
roman_f
chrisso wrote:
Macron wrote:
My first reaction was: - "Just another easel clone?"


Because the market is saturated with 'Easel Clones'?

Quote:
And I talk only about design, it is terrible for bucla standarts, just IMHO, ok?


Hard to say from a couple of pics only surely?
My model 216 is even more basic than the Easel touchplate..... and I absolutely love it.
Like many music forum posts you went for 'piece of crap, instead of 'meh, doesn't look that good to me'.
If you don't like the look of it, it still isn't an 'epic fail...piece of crap'.


i think macron means that he loves 218 and doesn't like look of 218e
thiagozt
Really? I swear yesterday I had a thought while riding in the subway and it was very clear and freeing - I felt like my lust for any gear was gone, I felt like I owned everything I needed and/or wanted in order to make the music I want to make. This morning I woke up to this and I now am feeling like an addict that thought he was done with the drugs, and was ready to move on, maybe have a family, buy a nice house, until... MY ASS IS BLEEDING
sempervirent
^ That would be funny if it was a joke...
amnesia
The keys seem longer on the new easel.
Macron
Oh... Once again (third time)))): if i say "piece of crap", this is only for me, and this is only my opinion!
And I think all off buchla controller looks cool (216 too).
This new 218e look really bad.

My "Just another easel clone?" because it is looks like clone! That's all! Simple!

If you don't see this, i can only say: good luck and enjoy with your new Buchla.
chrisso
Macron wrote:
Oh... Once again (third time)))): if i say "piece of crap", this is only for me, and this is only my opinion!


It just lacks respect for the people making these interesting tools for us.
You could be saying "I don't like it", or whatever.
I see there is a raging debate about BEMI vs clones. I'm just happy more people are making great modules for us to use.
I wouldn't say a Roman clone looked like 'a piece of crap' or a new B&A design, or one of Djangofire's DIY modules.
I guess English isn't your first language, but 'piece of crap' is just about as dismissive and negative as you can get.
jcoplin
I have to admit that I am in the Buchla hater camp. I find the prices obnoxious by any metric and the sounds I hear out of the systems to be uninteresting and uninspiring. However, the Music Easel is probably the one exception. It just seems like such an *instrument* in a way none of the other Buchla systems seem to be. I can definitely see the appeal and despite my general disinterest in Buchla, I have to give him big props for making it again.

James R. Coplin
ChrisR


Pm'ed for Easel
de_raaf
looks cool, wondering if its a functional one already
i think its great news for buchla, hope the make more than the original one
waiting for some demos by some of you :-)
reignbear
de_raaf wrote:
looks cool, wondering if its a functional one already


looks that way. about 9 seconds into the video the camera pans around and you can see there is another easel that someone is playing with headphones on.
burnn_out!
Not sure I'll ever be able to afford it but do we have a when yet?
fredguy
Kudos to Don and BEMI. Seems like an extremely well thought out instrument
that merges the Buchla past with the present. You can interface it with an iPad
but you don't have to. thumbs up
richard
as in "goddammit, that is the eighth just another fucking buchla easel clone I've stood in this week"?
Votek_Mendo
Want more info on the OSC thing
dogoftears
Votek_Mendo wrote:
Want more info on the OSC thing


Want more info, period.
Want videos and sound.
Want one in front of me to play with. Knew i shoulda taken that namm badge offer...
Votek_Mendo
Some Nice pictures here:
http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2013/index.html
drewskee
ChrisR wrote:


Pm'ed for Easel


Wow, it makes some really cool blues like Strat sounds....I'm impressed!!

thumbs up
Votek_Mendo
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Votek_Mendo

Slabwax
Thanks for the photos
Votek_Mendo
exper
darenager wrote:


Exactly. Charles and his easel were always my inspiration for wanting a modular to begin with. Never ever thought I'd have a chance to own one. This is just incredible. I can't decide. Sell half of my euro system and get a new easel, or wait, buy one after the ruckus dies and perhaps one shows up used.
chrisso
My option.... Wait.
madcap
Gateway Buchla


I think it's cool. But, my eurorack 9u demands a control and sequencing row. I could have, and most assuredly would have bought one of these had it been out when I started buying euro this time last year.

I've spent more, it's bigger, more powerful....but not laid out and designed with each part in mind engineered to work together.


I'll lust after this from a distance...amidst the glow of 416 hp worth of blinkenlights.
Boddhisattva007
goodbye to the idea of buying into euro format to approximate a buchla... hello real buchla!

edit: well... I am still getting silent way. Speaking of which, are there any good euro to buchla euro modules so I can control an easel from my DAW?
chrisso
http://www.modulargrid.net/e/synovatron-cvgt1
Boddhisattva007
chrisso wrote:
http://www.modulargrid.net/e/synovatron-cvgt1


ah yes, I remember seeing that somewhere, thank you!
amnesia
gateway drug. be careful!
negativspace
Will definitely own, but not right away. I was hoping it would be $4k and am pleased to have guessed well for once. Very exciting piece of kit!
construct09
Hello BEMI

Australian distributor PLEASE! thumbs up
governor blacksnake
Played with it a little today. The prototype shown in the booth is obviously still a work in progress but once it's ready to go, it should be great. I don't like the new fonts on the panel.
Annwn
construct09 wrote:
Hello BEMI

Australian distributor PLEASE! thumbs up


I agree! screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo
Kent
drewskee wrote:

Wow, it makes some really cool blues like Strat sounds....I'm impressed!!


And THAT is the true sound of NAMM. The video gives a very good taste of what it is like to be there. It's loud and the sound of plonking blues guitar licks permeates all discussions. Sometimes things get changed up and it is "metal" instead of "blues".

But, yeah, it's mostly fat dudes making skinny sounds in the key of Muddy Waters.
djangosfire
Kent wrote:

But, yeah, it's mostly fat dudes making skinny sounds in the key of Muddy Waters.


cool!! Rockin' Banana!

SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!

lol Guinness ftw!
Kaput
Kent wrote:

But, yeah, it's mostly fat dudes making skinny sounds in the key of Muddy Waters.


Thanks Kent. This makes me feel a little better for not being able to jet around the world to attend. A little better.
snufkin
Kent wrote:
drewskee wrote:

Wow, it makes some really cool blues like Strat sounds....I'm impressed!!


And THAT is the true sound of NAMM. The video gives a very good taste of what it is like to be there. It's loud and the sound of plonking blues guitar licks permeates all discussions. Sometimes things get changed up and it is "metal" instead of "blues".

But, yeah, it's mostly fat dudes making skinny sounds in the key of Muddy Waters.


maybe in 10 years it will all be skinny bespectacled dudes and old bearded dudes doing squeeee! bloop sounds in the key of morton ?
theboddy
Votek_Mendo wrote:
Some Nice pictures here:
http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2013/index.html


Excellent pics - thank you.

I used to go to NAMM many moons ago when I used to work for Akai. It's been 10 years since then though. I must admit last night as the news came flooding in that it's the most excited I've felt about this show in an age. For us folk into analogue there was such a steady stream of great new products to drool over.

Moog Sub-Phatty, Prophet 12, Korg MS20 mini, Buchla Music Easel and lots of goodies from our friends in Eurorack land.

Good times.

Certainly the Easel is the one that takes my fancy. If the price point is correct then they will sell a lot - not Korg MS20 quantity - but a lot relative to their other gear. I just hope they set up strategic distributors in other countries.
blue_lu
Kent wrote:


But, yeah, it's mostly fat dudes making skinny sounds in the key of SRV and Joe Bonamassa .



fix'd
Kent
blue_lu wrote:
Kent wrote:


But, yeah, it's mostly fat dudes making skinny sounds in the key of SRV and Joe Bonamassa .



fix'd


I stand corrected. You are absolutely spot on.

snufkin wrote:

maybe in 10 years it will all be skinny bespectacled dudes and old bearded dudes doing squeeee! bloop sounds in the key of morton ?


I was going to state that this would be an improvement but then realized that it is basically the same thing: something that was formerly innovative and expressive tortured into that which is not much more than mimicry.

Kaput wrote:
Kent wrote:

But, yeah, it's mostly fat dudes making skinny sounds in the key of Muddy Waters.


Thanks Kent. This makes me feel a little better for not being able to jet around the world to attend. A little better.


This is the first year in which I haven't attended the show in quite some time. It certainly feels weird and unlucky to miss this year's show (and I was "this" close to buying my ticket) as there are so many cool products that are germane to my interests.

djangosfire wrote:

cool!! Rockin' Banana!


Well, you've just heard it in all of its coolness and vibe. Imagine that going on for 12 hours a day over the course of 4-5 days. Often loud enough to stultify any neighboring conversation.

NAMM and Messe are rather tame compared to some others. They don't even have noise limits at some shows. I literally wear noise canceling headphones during those one events.
In light of it all, I sure to miss not being there this year!
BugBrand
Sorry, going with the off-topic, but on Kent's tip...
http://www.theonion.com/articles/nations-sound-engineers-gather-to-tal k-about-their,27057/
otoskope
^this w00t hihi meh Maybe time to cut of my ponytail. Or to grow a braided beard.
snufkin
[quote="Kent"][quote="blue_lu"]
Kent wrote:



snufkin wrote:

maybe in 10 years it will all be skinny bespectacled dudes and old bearded dudes doing squeeee! bloop sounds in the key of morton ?


I was going to state that this would be an improvement but then realized that it is basically the same thing: something that was formerly innovative and expressive tortured into that which is not much more than mimicry.


yeah I am a little hesitant about this new wave of analogues for the same reason recreating the past isn't enough, we should be looking on these technologies both old an new with post-analogue and post-digital eyes and designers should be using the best sounding most flexible system for the job

both the music box and the mini ms-20 seem to recreate classic synths but don't make next logical leap which would be an analogue with digital control (I mean on a deeper level than what I suspect the implementation will be on both the easel and MS-20 although I realise there digital interfaces will be doing very different things on both), I would like to have seen a 200e music box even though It would have been way out of my price range it would have been nice to see someone looking to the future.

I think a good example is teenage engineering who have really made an updated fully realised casio sk-1 with relatively modern tech

what would a neo-music box be like?
multi voiced?, poly touch controller? computer interface with custom software IO for max? patch storage?

still I like that they have included the edge card connector that's an interesting retention of a partially 'open' system I hope whatever the blue tooth interface capabilities are, are also directed toward the more experimental musician and coder
blue_lu
snufkin wrote:


what would a neo-music box be like?
multi voiced?, poly touch controller? computer interface with custom software IO for max? patch storage?


it would be a device - a rather protable device at that. one would just have to rip a big ol fart and the device transforms it into the most outlandish beats and textures to ever molest your ear.
done.
richard
snufkin wrote:

what would a neo-music box be like?


well the 200e is already is Don's neo analogue/digital hybrid music box and has been for years.

and yes, Don is looking after after his legacy with this one, like the Lightning III, this is an reissue with a few updates - the colour scheme alone tells you this is designed from the beginning to be a retro synth. Nobody can begrudge him that either - or the opportunity to cash in on his own legend when he is still alive, something many manufacturers have been doing for a quite a long time. Criticizing a reissue for not being the future, or for not making the coffee, is a bit silly IMHO. That this, Serge Modular, the EMS Synthi and a childsized MS20 (okay, I'm less excited by that one) hell even the Moggerfoogers - are all going to be in production again at the same time is simply A Great Thing - and not something we could have predicted of even 5 years ago. Especially as this particular legendary synth was never even in anything like regular production in the first place. Of course we may dream of something else, something wholly new, Don probably is doing too, but any initial response (before we've heard or played it) to this reissue other than outright delight that it is happening at all honestly seems a little bit churlish to me. This simply confirms that this is The Great Time for analogue gear, there never was a better time to be into it and there probably never will be a better time.

Remembering the great legacy of 20th century electronic instrumental design and keeping it alive (or Don being able to pay his bills in his mid-70s) doesn't stop all the newer and really creative stuff happening at the level of small one man show manufacturers - which is mostly where it has always happened - and there are more of those right now than there have ever being.

Or in internet speak:

Win, win,

win
richard
Quote:
it would be a device - a rather protable device at that. one would just have to rip a big ol fart and the device transforms it into the most outlandish beats and textures to ever molest your ear.
done.


lol lol lol

well that changes things - a bit like an analogue Metasynth/Kyma with a fart based interface? Forget my previous post - fuck this nostalgic buchla analogue Easel shit - that is exactly the instrument I'm dreaming of!
snufkin
richard wrote:
snufkin wrote:

what would a neo-music box be like?


well the 200e is already is Don's neo analogue/digital hybrid music box and has been for years.

and yes, Don is looking after after his legacy with this one, like the Lightning III, this is an reissue with a few updates - the colour scheme alone tells you this is designed from the beginning to be a retro synth. Nobody can begrudge him that either - or the opportunity to cash in on his own legend when he is still alive, something many manufacturers have been doing for a quite a long time. Criticizing a reissue for not being the future, or for not making the coffee, is a bit silly IMHO. That this, Serge Modular, the EMS Synthi and a childsized MS20 (okay, I'm less excited by that one) hell even the Moggerfoogers - are all going to be in production again at the same time is simply A Great Thing - and not something we could have predicted of even 5 years ago. Especially as this particular legendary synth was never even in anything like regular production in the first place. Of course we may dream of something else, something wholly new, Don probably is doing too, but any initial response (before we've heard or played it) to this reissue other than outright delight that it is happening at all honestly seems a little bit churlish to me. This simply confirms that this is The Great Time for analogue gear, there never was a better time to be into it and there probably never will be a better time.

Remembering the great legacy of 20th century electronic instrumental design and keeping it alive (or Don being able to pay his bills in his mid-70s) doesn't stop all the newer and really creative stuff happening at the level of small one man show manufacturers - which is mostly where it has always happened - and there are more of those right now than there have ever being.

Or in internet speak:

Win, win,

win


agreed on all points

I guess I can just see where this revival might lead and am impatient to get there smile
richardm123uk
I've been wanting a controller for my 10 modules system (222e $2850) so if the easel is $4000 then it seems like a bargain, taking into account that the easel is a self contained system for another $1K. I know the 222e has a lot of extra functions but....

I'm pretty blown away by this news!!!!
arnoux
Wow I never thought that one day I would be able to own a Buchla but this price range change everything.. I'm crying sooner or later I'll get that shit.
plord
Holy goddamned 17 flavors of flourescent motherfucker. very frustrating

I CAN'T AFFORD THIS NOW DON. WHY. WHY?!?!?
numan7
blue_lu wrote:
snufkin wrote:


what would a neo-music box be like?
multi voiced?, poly touch controller? computer interface with custom software IO for max? patch storage?


it would be a device - a rather protable device at that. one would just have to rip a big ol fart and the device transforms it into the most outlandish beats and textures to ever molest your ear.
done.


hmmm..... something like this, then...



?

cheers
visible cow
I kind of just want one for my coffee table. Or If I had kids I'd buy them each one for christmas. It's such a whimsical looking thing.
dan_p
plord wrote:

I CAN'T AFFORD THIS NOW DON. WHY. WHY?!?!?


It probably won't be on sale for ages, then the waiting list will be fecking mahusive!
darenager
snufkin wrote:

what would a neo-music box be like?
multi voiced?, poly touch controller? computer interface with custom software IO for max? patch storage?


Ew, no I prefer the way it is, there is plenty of cutting edge digital and hybrid stuff, OP1, A4, Tempest etc, let the classic reissues be just that, that they are based on old ideas does not dimish their relevance or usefulness.
Anyway the 200e seems to offer a good deal of this stuff already doesn't it?
subultresk
While the 200e is a complex and highly specialized system that isn't too affordable (...) and can appear as quite different musical instruments, the Easel seems to be very attractive because of the iPad/Max/MSP connectivity and the design as a "complete" instrument.

For some it could be the perfect amount of Buchla sound, for others it might be the entrance to the Buchla-universe (i.e My First Buchla). If the price estimations are correct (3,5-4T), it even could become a desired instrument for students (who are working with Max or PD). There also is a huge Ableton/M4L community that in some cases might walk through that opened door.

I don't care if an instrument is exclusive or not - i just listen and try to find my decisions. Also i don't care if the technical side is old or new - it just should work properly. My Bechstein is 100 years old and it's still wonderful. My ARP and Moog synths are lovely and in great shape, but i don't use them too much since they don't meet my requirements anymore.

From my point of view Buchla made an excellent decision to produce the Easel (again) since it doesn't rival the 200e. It might even strengthen the focus on the 200e.

So, everything seems to be fine - like Richard said: Win win.

i wish it may please all participants.
subultresk
oops (this was double)

Cons:
the only thing i don't like is that the lid seems to be fixed. It should be removable.

seriously, i just don't get it
Norman_Phay
If I get a decent amount of work in this year, I can probably just about afford one of these. What I like about it is that it's a self-contained instrument in its own right, and one can spend time learning how to play it and use it to shape a musical voice for oneself. That interests me very much, I really hope I can scrape up for one.
plord
Norman_Phay wrote:
If I get a decent amount of work in this year, I can probably just about afford one of these. What I like about it is that it's a self-contained instrument in its own right, and one can spend time learning how to play it and use it to shape a musical voice for oneself. That interests me very much, I really hope I can scrape up for one.


Yes, this exactly. It's an instrument. I could say that the Wiard is an instrument, because in a certain context it absolutely is and can be used as one smallish self-contained thing, but in my case I still treat it as a collection of absurdly functional super-high-quality modules, which I have augmented with a pile of extra sequencing and rhythmic kit to exploit their inherent versatility. This may reveal deep flaws in my character but whatevs, I have a Wiard SlayerBadger!

And come on, some folks have been clamoring for this for *years*. The Easel, along with the Synthi, are the two old school instruments that have been unobtanium for the longest time at any reasonable price.

$4K? They will sell more of these than they expect.
snufkin
darenager wrote:
snufkin wrote:

what would a neo-music box be like?
multi voiced?, poly touch controller? computer interface with custom software IO for max? patch storage?


Ew, no I prefer the way it is, there is plenty of cutting edge digital and hybrid stuff, OP1, A4, Tempest etc, let the classic reissues be just that, that they are based on old ideas does not dimish their relevance or usefulness.
Anyway the 200e seems to offer a good deal of this stuff already doesn't it?


yes but this reissue is a highbrid already, I hope it has really comprehensive interfacing too!

I don't want digital hybrid drum machine or a 4 voice synth sequencer table top box, I want an expressive instrument that the combines leaps in interface technology of the last 20 years with allot of expressive control in a small ish package

The easel reissue is rad don't get me wrong and a useful instrument which is far from obsolete but some of what makes it cool is how much useful relatively new stuff was present in such a small playable space when the original came out,

I'm not against reissues per se all i'm saying is I hope this leads somewhere 'new' eventually as for example the guitar industry obsessed with three (admittedly great) designs to the detriment of progress in some cases
knobs.
wow. it's back.
Rod Serling Fan Club
darenager wrote:
snufkin wrote:

what would a neo-music box be like?
multi voiced?, poly touch controller? computer interface with custom software IO for max? patch storage?


Ew, no I prefer the way it is, there is plenty of cutting edge digital and hybrid stuff, OP1, A4, Tempest etc, let the classic reissues be just that, that they are based on old ideas does not dimish their relevance or usefulness.
Anyway the 200e seems to offer a good deal of this stuff already doesn't it?


I'm completely happy with it as-is and intend to buy one. However, I think it would be interesting to see a modern/alternate "e" take on the music easel. I'm thinking something with one of their modern touch interfaces, 259e based complex oscillator, CV-preset manager, etc.
snufkin
Rod Serling Fan Club wrote:
darenager wrote:
snufkin wrote:

what would a neo-music box be like?
multi voiced?, poly touch controller? computer interface with custom software IO for max? patch storage?


Ew, no I prefer the way it is, there is plenty of cutting edge digital and hybrid stuff, OP1, A4, Tempest etc, let the classic reissues be just that, that they are based on old ideas does not dimish their relevance or usefulness.
Anyway the 200e seems to offer a good deal of this stuff already doesn't it?


I'm completely happy with it as-is and intend to buy one. However, I think it would be interesting to see a modern/alternate "e" take on the music easel. I'm thinking something with one of their modern touch interfaces, 259e based complex oscillator, CV-preset manager, etc.


exactly what I saw trying to say only more succinct !
sascha.victoria
richardm123uk wrote:
I've been wanting a controller for my 10 modules system (222e $2850) so if the easel is $4000 then it seems like a bargain, taking into account that the easel is a self contained system for another $1K. I know the 222e has a lot of extra functions but....

I'm pretty blown away by this news!!!!


If this thing really is $4k they're going to reduce the price of the 200e modules.

$3400 is the benchmark price set by the Voyager. There was little to no R+D for this thing, it's not going to be made by hand, or in the USA. $4k is way too much money for this thing. Just because it's Buchla doesn't mean it can cost more. Especially to some indie hipster who has never heard of the brand.
AntManBee
sascha.victoria wrote:
richardm123uk wrote:
I've been wanting a controller for my 10 modules system (222e $2850) so if the easel is $4000 then it seems like a bargain, taking into account that the easel is a self contained system for another $1K. I know the 222e has a lot of extra functions but....

I'm pretty blown away by this news!!!!


If this thing really is $4k they're going to reduce the price of the 200e modules.

$3400 is the benchmark price set by the Voyager. There was little to no R+D for this thing, it's not going to be made by hand, or in the USA. $4k is way too much money for this thing. Just because it's Buchla doesn't mean it can cost more. Especially to some indie hipster who has never heard of the brand.

It's cheaper than a Serge Animal & TKB! Plus the case isn't crap and there doesn't appear to be a magic PSU with an obelisk on it.
Shasta Cults
i wonder if the new cards are compatible with the old 208?.. that would be awesome.. someone told me they were but maybe i should ring Don for some straight dirt
subultresk
darenager wrote:
However, I think it would be interesting to see a modern/alternate "e" take on the music easel. I'm thinking something with one of their modern touch interfaces, 259e based complex oscillator, CV-preset manager, etc.

In questions of preset memory and digital control i hope the new Easel will lead it's trump. I prefer open interface-connections which let me decide, what software/platform etc. i use and when i do have to port my stuff into a new era or domain. I cannot do technical support - that's the part of the company, but i like it very much, if there is an open community for developing interesting GUIs or digital enhancements. That would be pretty perfect in my eyes.

w00t

PLEASE! Wigglers & you NAMM visitors:
"I WOULD LIKE TO H E A R THE EASEL IN A VIDEO !!!"
(connect the headphones to- and use the line in of your cam - no more guitars from build-in mics).

thumbs up
MechaSeb
AntManBee wrote:
sascha.victoria wrote:
richardm123uk wrote:
I've been wanting a controller for my 10 modules system (222e $2850) so if the easel is $4000 then it seems like a bargain, taking into account that the easel is a self contained system for another $1K. I know the 222e has a lot of extra functions but....

I'm pretty blown away by this news!!!!


If this thing really is $4k they're going to reduce the price of the 200e modules.

$3400 is the benchmark price set by the Voyager. There was little to no R+D for this thing, it's not going to be made by hand, or in the USA. $4k is way too much money for this thing. Just because it's Buchla doesn't mean it can cost more. Especially to some indie hipster who has never heard of the brand.

It's cheaper than a Serge Animal & TKB! Plus the case isn't crap and there doesn't appear to be a magic PSU with an obelisk on it.


As far as i love my Serge, couldn't agree more !
And yes, please video/sounds of the beast pleaaaase.
transferpoint
Here's my crappy contributions, nothing you haven't seen, just some more spank material.



Malekko
sascha.victoria wrote:
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$3400 is the benchmark price set by the Voyager. There was little to no R+D for this thing, it's not going to be made by hand, or in the USA. $4k is way too much money for this thing. Just because it's Buchla doesn't mean it can cost more. Especially to some indie hipster who has never heard of the brand.


Please allow me to be blunt.
1. $3400 is the benchmark price set by the Voyager to compare this to a voyager is just plain silly, the easel has way more features, it's a complete system rather than just a bass machine.
2.There was little to no R+D for this thing Okay, maybe product development is not your business so i'll lay off a bit and just let you know, that without hesitation there is a SUBSTANTIAL R&D investment into this product.
3. it's not going to be made by hand The voyager isn't "made by hand" it is made by robots and assembled by people, just like Buchla.
4. or in the USA I don't know where the SMT manufacturing facility that Buchla uses is but my guess it's in California, because no overseas manufacturer would even touch the kind of runs B&A are doing.
MrBiggs
I bought a little Doepfer system and joined Muffs about a week after sitting next to Charles Cohen while he played his Easel here in Philadelphia back in 2009. I loved loved loved it then and this the first time that I've even considered that something might be worth trading out my 12u system for.

(I'd keep the Phonogene and the Tyme Sefari, but I don't think there's anything else that I'd miss...)

Very very interested in how this proceeds.
exper
+1

Hearing what Charles does with his easel had always inspired me as well. This is just incredible. With this price, you'd only need to sell half of you 12u!

For me, I think I'll wait it out and save for one. For the first time to me, Buchla is reachable.

(As I sit next to $9000 worth of a euro system. wink
MechaSeb
Sorry if i missed it but is the price of 3500$ would be for both 208 AND 218e controller or just the 208 ? Also, will the 218e work without 222e/223e module ?
tonnu
All well and good especially the price

BUT god I hope the design is just prototype

Really horrible design choices with this one: horrible font! Horrible shade of blue! And the case is terrible!!

Anyone wanna join my petition to stick to the old designs?
moylando
I second Malekko's comments. Since it's a clone they didn't have to redesign the circuits but I'd bet heavily that it's not the same multi card PCB design of the original. My guess is in order to save money they reduced the number of PCBs considerably, possibly to 1. There's a lot of time invested in that. Then there's the 218e (keyboard) which is not an exact clone. Is it even capacitive? Or is it like the 222e.

To me, the introduction of this product indicates that the transition from Buchla and Associates to BEMI may prove fruitful. The feeling they gave at last year's NAMM where they announced BEMI was that they want to get Buchla tech into more musicians hands. To me that means more self contained "instruments" and lower price points. And yes a black/white style keyboard is a must for a wider audience.

If they do become available at the rumored price point I believe they'll sell many (relative to the 200e) simply due to economics - even though 4k is a fair chunk of money - and the legendary status of the Easel. Fingers crossed, that will mean more R&D money and more new products, especially if Don is freed from some of the business tasks by this partnership. Now let's all drink a toast to Don's longevity...
solaris
MechaSeb wrote:
Sorry if i missed it but is the price of 3500$ would be for both 208 AND 216e controller or just the 208 ? Also, will the 216e will work without 222e/223e module ?


no idea about the price - btw it would be nice if BEMI made an official announcement.
otherwise the 218e (not216e) seems to be a self-contained unit...
Votek_Mendo
We Need the official announcement from Bemi, i dont know what they are waiting.
jonkull
Well now I know where my end of year bonus money will be going. Dead Banana
chamomileshark
Gentlemen, we live in extraordinary times.

The Korg MS20 back at a lower price than it was back in 1978.

The Easel back at what I think must be a lower price taken into consideration inflation.

Wonderful. This is how we will kick start the Global economy.
PraxisCat
The easel's price point is only $1000 more than it was originally. I also consider it a relative bargin. It will look nice next to my Ciat-Lonbarde Dousk/Lab.
It is not if I will get this, it will be when.
I was thinking that if I went Buchla, all I would really want is an easel....so it is nice to have this as an option.
love

Also the Max/MSP and PD connectivity is more useful than people realize for some of us who work more with computers.
polyroy
I always pictured the easel as the ultimate standalone system, in my eyes anyway. Really glad it's become available and despite not having the cash for one, or the means to get that kind of cash ready, I would love to have one in the future. Exciting times indeed!
Kent
I really like all of these sage individuals that have never worked in manufacturing as a professional. PLEASE DO TELL US MORE AS TO HOW THINGS IS!!!
tIB
But its cheaper than the 296e!!! lol

Not now, but if that price is correct I will own one in the future. 4k for an easel? Yes please! Ill take the MS20 thingy at 500 quid too, and with any luck a synthi at 3K. Amazing times!
jonah
chamomileshark wrote:
Gentlemen, and women we live in extraordinary times.
Sorry.

Damn, the techno future the 60s and 70s promised is here! Being a cynical 90s person I've never personally experienced techno-optimism like this before. meh Amazing. I expect jet packs to show up any minute now.

The abundance of affordable electronic music instruments makes me feel excited about our musical future. (waah of joy)
shred
MrBiggs wrote:
... this the first time that I've even considered that something might be worth trading out my 12u system for.


do it

twisted
xart
go get em!

Our order has been placed.


The projected price is $3999.
Projected delivery is Q2 (June 2013) but they can't guarantee this
BEMI require a 50% Pre-payment of $2000 to reserve a unit--it is first come first serve. (so get in back of us) thumbs up
The Music Easel comes with multiple preset cards.
The Interface Card for the Apple iPod/iPad-MIDI Preset Manager is an optional extra. Delivery TBD. Price TBD but likely under $500.



amnesia
xart wrote:
go get em!

Our order has been placed.


The projected price is $3999.
Projected delivery is Q2 (June 2013) but they can't guarantee this
BEMI require a 50% Pre-payment of $2000 to reserve a unit--it is first come first serve. (so get in back of me) thumbs up
The Music Easel comes with multiple preset cards.
The Interface Card for the Apple iPod/iPad-MIDI Preset Manager is an optional extra. Delivery TBD. Price TBD but likely under $500.



How? Where?
xart
amnesia wrote:
How? Where?


email BEMI and send them your $.
Rod Serling Fan Club
what email address are you using? I emailed them yesterday and haven't heard a thing.
xart
Rod Serling Fan Club wrote:
what email address are you using? I emailed them yesterday and haven't heard a thing.



purchasing at buchla dot com


you will today...hold tight....they had over 100+ requests for orders over night...

they are swamped ! thumbs up


jonah
And I hope this does well and there are knock offs. All of you on the fence, do it! lol I'd love to experience an alternate history where Buchla gets cloned and mutated instead of Moog. (Not that I have anything against Moog.)
tIB wrote:
and with any luck a synthi at 3K. Amazing times!
I'm not sure I could handle a synthi! With the way things are going though maybe...or an arp 2600...or a synth 2600. lol This is so wacky and awesome.
amnesia
So Buchla is in Oregan now?
xart
amnesia wrote:
So Buchla is in Oregan now?



http://www.soredi.org/Page.asp?NavID=458

thumbs up
amnesia
Thanks.

Does this mean that there is no LA tax on the Easel/ My bro lives in LA now or is still based in Berkley and the taxes are still the same?

Does the $3999 price include tax?
xart
amnesia wrote:
Thanks.

Does this mean that there is no LA tax on the Easel/ My bro lives in LA now or is still based in Berkley and the taxes are still the same?

Does the $3999 price include tax?


Good question! As we know here on muffs most (if not all) musos are tax-dodger hypocrites thumbs up

As of today...
If you have a physical location in the state you get taxed in the state...
But this changes every day with Amerika's march to Socialism...

Vive le Roi!
Vive la Nation!
Vive la Revolution!
stega
Just placed my order and paid...
Mitchk1989
I sure hope it's still possible to order these by the time I can actually afford it woah
exper
Mitchk1989 wrote:
I sure hope it's still possible to order these by the time I can actually afford it woah


Yeah. Same here. I'm choosing NOT to sell a chunk of my euro for this. So this will be a save up for treat. They don't even know what they just started. I hope they can keep making these for a little while!
dan_k
They're a business. I'm sure that overnight influx of cash will be good incentive.

The biggest problem will be keeping up with demand as they've just opened themselves up to:

a) people who never thought they could afford a buchla

b) all of us who have coveted the easel and never dreamt that we might actually get our hands on one.

In all honesty I expect they have had to have had some inkling of what they were getting themselves into and this is exactly the response they were hoping for.
sascha.victoria
Woot! No more CA sales tax!!!!!!!!
subultresk
(Owning the same instruments like Joe Zawinul doesn't make me play like Joe Zawinul.)

- but it's really astonishing how many people were inflamed for Buchla from the 4min Charles Cohen video! Amazing....

Why is so much talk about price, ownership, status, failure etc.? Let's thank BEMI for this great surprise!

For me, the little, but really exciting detail - which is completely NEW in this instrument - is the Interface Card for the Apple iPod/iPad (that might also become an option for the 200e series?). This is great. I hope there will be more than 30 presets and the interface speaks/understands OSC well.

I also hope that SOMEBODY WILL BE ABLE TO GET A SHORT EASEL LINE-RECORDING @ NAMM 2013,

or to give us some enthusiastic statements about the sound of the new Easel.....

w00t

I am afraid we are not enough to bring Buchla into exiting business - but i am confident that the Easel will be very good for the company. There seems to be something in it that "professionals" would call a "synergy-effect"...
Gringo Starr
Theres a lot of pages here so I'm sorry if this potentially dumb question has been asked already.

If someone has been thnking about slowly wanting to build a Buchla system would this be an ideal starting point? Or would going with the System 1 be a much better starting point?
djangosfire
I'm in and paid for 1x - soooooo excited !!!!!! Viva la Buchla - Oregonians MY ASS IS BLEEDING w00t lol
exper
I think someone said its not fully functional yet.

As for Charles Cohen, its not just that video. If you've ever had the pleasure of seeing him perform, he just really stretches what you can do with such a small pallete. He just has a masterful understanding of the instrument and it shows in his ability to improvise with it. It's modular, but it comes across as a virtuosic instrument.

I've seen him in Philly a few times, and long ago, that is what got me interested in making music beyond the typical analog techno and ambient music I was doing...
wavecircle
I have next to no Eurorack left. I am very tempted to jump ship on this one. I don't think I have seen a bad video of the original easel. Even the 21 seconds with Cortini are great.

nanners It's peanut butter jelly time! nanners
tailwagger
I'm in. Just ordered mine. No sales tax in Oregon.

Here's the infomail I received.....

Hi,

I have been authorized to start selling the Music Easel!

But here is the bottom line.

The projected price is $3999. (if it goes down we will adjust your
invoice).

Projected delivery is Q2 (June 2013) but we can't guarantee this (but I
think this is realistic).

We require a 50% Prepayment of $2000 to reserve a unit--it is first come
first serve.

The Music Easel comes with multiple preset cards.

The Interface Card for the Apple iPod/iPad-MIDI Preset Manager is an
optional extra. Delivery TBD. Price TBD but likely under $500.

Send Payments to:

Buchla Electronic Musical Instruments (BEMI)
1630 Williams Hwy #213
Grants Pass, OR 97527

------------------------------------------------

Just email purchasing@buchla.com, let them know you want to order and they will get an invoice out to you.
Gringo Starr
Kent wrote:
drewskee wrote:

Wow, it makes some really cool blues like Strat sounds....I'm impressed!!


And THAT is the true sound of NAMM. The video gives a very good taste of what it is like to be there. It's loud and the sound of plonking blues guitar licks permeates all discussions. Waters.


For sure. I was at NAMM last year and will be going again this weekend. AFter a while though, every guitar and every amp you hear sounds the same. Its really weird but after being there for a few hours every single amp might as well be the exact same amplifier. My ears just went flat there!

Can't wait to hear this in person. Wanna check out the ArchAngel too. The Chewbacca Defense
550b
I'm in! Just placed an order. Excited!
exper
Man this is making me nervous. I fear by the time I save for this, they'll decide to stop making them, or they'll double the price!
NS4W
The blue color seems completely off and the red knobs are MIA.... The prototype has lost alot of the carousel appeal of the original.
drewskee
Its funny but m response is WOW...I want, I want,I want,I want,I want,I want,I want,I want,I want,I want,I want,I want,I want,I want,I want,I want,I want....BUT.....I am going to wait a little bit before I order.

I have a hunch that there will be some revisions/updates and I'd like to wait a wee bit to make sure the kinks are all worked out. And I say this after lusting for one of these like everyone else for a few decades. I've waited this long...I can hold out.

The other funny thing is...I STILL may want a small (8) module 200e system!?!? I'd like to know more about the new 208e and how it might work with a 200e system??? To me its more immediate than the 222/223e and in a skylab it could be the cats meeyow!!!

This is NOT a dis in any way and I am certain I will be getting some Buchla system. I also wonder if this will affect the prices of the 200e modules...will they go UP, stay the same, or go DOWN if the company has a more robust cash flow from Music Easel sales?

Anyone at NAMM care to ask about 200e module prices????
numan7
exper wrote:
Man this is making me nervous. I fear by the time I save for this, they'll decide to stop making them, or they'll double the price!


I agree! i hope we don't end up with 10+ years wait-lists (considering that the original music easel is much more scarce than synthi-a ever was)... eek!

thumbs up here's to hoping that bemi does a superlative job executing on order fulfillment! Guinness ftw!

cheers
shreddoggie
Anyone who uses that Picard face-palm emoticon should be ignored and summarily dismissed. It is far to condescending to be tolerated. Dead Banana

Feel free to use it liberally in reply to this:

WTF with that dorky touch keyboard? Is that a standard Buchla thing retained form history? Is it Synthi-like and thus cool? Does it compliment the nature of the instrument well?

While I confess my total ignorance on Buchla and modular I actually persevere to use the ebonies and ivories as well as I can for various expressive purposes and find those toy keyboards intolerable.

Please bring many face-palms so I know who you are.
Guidotoons
I'm IN!

Placed an order and paid the deposit!

Very happy they have decided to do this. Loved my Easel.
Kevin VC
So all params are exposed via OSC? We can backup and share easel presets?! applause
moylando
exper wrote:


As for Charles Cohen, its not just that video. If you've ever had the pleasure of seeing him perform, he just really stretches what you can do with such a small pallete. He just has a masterful understanding of the instrument and it shows in his ability to improvise with it. It's modular, but it comes across as a virtuosic instrument.

I've seen him in Philly a few times, and long ago, that is what got me interested in making music beyond the typical analog techno and ambient music I was doing...


Completely seconded. I lived in Philly up until a few years ago and saw Charles play often. He eschews recording for live performance so it's hard to get a sense of his skills unless you can see him in person. Although seeing him use the Easel planted an obsession with the Easel in me, it's not the instrument that makes his performance. It's his intimate familiarity with what is a very flexible instrument (he's had it since the seventies) and his own musicality and his use of other tools like the original EH 16 second delay.

Though the dominant association with Buchla is subotnick-y bleeps and bloops I've seen Charles take the Easel all over the place from abstract to very meter based and "normal" diatonic etc. styles.
chamomileshark
jonah wrote:
chamomileshark wrote:
Gentlemen, and women we live in extraordinary times.
Sorry.



It's ok, it was a misquote from Gogol so I kept it to the rather archaic "Gentlemen"in.
amnesia
I did see one Namm vid of a guy playing the Easel with headphones so maybe it is a working prototype?
I just don't know what to do now, finish my 24wls system or get this.
sascha.victoria
I think I'll let you guys be the guinea pigs...
kosh
BEMI should have the good sense to give Charles Cohen a free Easel. What an amazing brand ambassador he's been for Buchla (for well over 30 years) !!! In fact, they should have Charles playing at NAMM right now !!!
exper
kosh wrote:
BEMI should have the good sense to give Charles Cohen a free Easel. What an amazing brand ambassador he's been for Buchla (for well over 30 years) !!! In fact, they should have Charles playing at NAMM right now !!!


+1 This.


Its funny, I can't wait to see the euro goodies that will hit the BST soon. There's already a full Make Noise Shared System there, surely because of this.
amnesia
kosh wrote:
BEMI should have the good sense to give Charles Cohen a free Easel. What an amazing brand ambassador he's been for Buchla (for well over 30 years) !!! In fact, they should have Charles playing at NAMM right now !!!


Why? He already has one.
kosh
amnesia wrote:
Why? He already has one.


Just imagine him with two !! :-)
moylando
I don't think they need to give him one necessarily, but having him at the booth to demo the unit would have been very smart. Of course, who needs that when muff's provides so much free publicity?
exper
BTW, someone previously mentioned that he doesn't really record or release anything, but he DOES have a soundclound account and releases little sketches from time to time:

https://soundcloud.com/beepsandboops
moylando
exper wrote:
BTW, someone previously mentioned that he doesn't really record or release anything, but he DOES have a soundclound account and releases little sketches from time to time:

https://soundcloud.com/beepsandboops


Didn't realize. Thanks for posting that.
Hi5
Keep in mind though that Cohen's rig is heavily supported by external effects and what you hear is far from just music easel.

Cool to see the remake of the easel but if portability vs functional density is your concern you could get a lot more bang in the same space for that dough. Would be nice to hear some actual sound samples.
dkcg
sascha.victoria wrote:
Woot! No more CA sales tax!!!!!!!!


if this is the case. w00t SlayerBadger! screaming goo yo MY ASS IS BLEEDING It's motherfucking bacon yo

That's like a 10% discount off for Cali folk. hihi

I may be moving to a much smaller space, thinking about downsizing, an easel and a nicely equipped 12 spacer could be sick. hyper
abendrot
So will the 208e be sold seperatly from the keyboard. I hope it does fit
into any normal 200e cabinet. And any price on the modules if you don't
buy the package?
n3wt15
ahhhhhh I almost really want to do this right now
moylando
dkcg wrote:
sascha.victoria wrote:
Woot! No more CA sales tax!!!!!!!!



That's like a 10% discount off for Cali folk. hihi


My accountant just informed me that I need to review my out of state purchases from last year (yes, all of them) and determine which ones did not collect CA sales tax. And I'll need to pay it. Seems like CA is cracking down since the state is pretty much broke. Be careful out there....
construct09
Yes
Demos from Mr. Cohen and Mr. Cortini would be nice
aasmodular
construct09 wrote:
Yes
Demos from Mr. Cohen and Mr. Cortini would be nice


something like: Fencing ?
vgermuse
alessandro cortini will be at BEMI @ NAMM tomorrow, saturday, at 1 pm with his original easel to compare them , or so I was told while there today w00t

Yes, they are minimally working, just headphones with just left channel. I can't wait to get one in a room or studio alone without the clamor and clangor of the audio overload at NAMM to really test drive it. I totally agree a demo from Charles and Alessandro would be awesome Guinness ftw! I suspect it could happen.

I love that the program card is totally there! A completely deeper level of programming! And , once iOs/max/msp/vst interface is implemented, it will blowout the jams! Best, Todd
Rod Serling Fan Club
Would like to hear/see it in action prior to throwing down my $2k though...
eben1000uk
I just got back from NAMM - my first ever visit and it is a bit crazy there for sure! an awful lot of interesting haircuts...

so i tried out the new easel and had a good chat with one of the guys on the stand - he told me it is loyal to the original circuit design, down to a component level! so just to confirm its all-analog including the spring reverb. he also said they have had over 100 orders already since yesterday woah but he felt there was no reason orders cant be fulfilled regardless (ie there is nothing in / on it that they cant get in quantity)

There are 2 units on the stand but only one is (almost) fully functional. I had a go on it for 5 minutes and can confirm that it sounds very nice and analog It's peanut butter jelly time! however there was an awful lot of noise coming from all the other stalls so it was not easy to get a clear sense of the sound screaming goo yo

he also told me that they are not intending to sell the sound module separately from the touchplates - it is a whole-package deal only

i made a really short video clip of it but the sound didn't record - i tried to record from the headphones onto my iphone but it didn't work d'oh! - i'm going back tomorrow so i will try and improve on this then...

amnesia
vgermuse wrote:

Yes, they are minimally working, just headphones with just left channel.


The only photo I saw of the headphones in use they were not even plugged into the headphone out . Maybe that isnt ready yet?
analogueheart
Ordered.
abendrot
Quote:
he also told me that they are not intending to sell the sound module separately from the touchplates - it is a whole-package deal only


very disapointed waah has anyone got a confirmation that tne whole
system will also fit into a 200e cabinet like the skylab or 201e-18?
sascha.victoria
Over 100 preorders?! Cool $200k+ in one day...
eben1000uk
from what he told me it is not designed to be used in a 200e system - it is stand alone only and only sold with its brief case and PS - but i will check this tomorrow for sure!
sascha.victoria
It's the sane design as the original with the daughter cards. In theory one could replace the cards on a vintage unit with new cards. Interesting they would keep this the same but change the graphics...
moylando
sascha.victoria wrote:
It's the sane design as the original with the daughter cards. In theory one could replace the cards on a vintage unit with new cards. Interesting they would keep this the same but change the graphics...


wow, really surprises me, but nice for the few out there with originals. as far as separating the 208/218e, i wonder especially if the 218e might be available separately even if the 208 isn't. it seems like it might be an alternative that some 200e customers might like.
abendrot
So why call it 208e than if one can't use it with the 200e series.
With the old one it was possible to use it in 200 cases. Mh why would
they make such a strange decission.
dissonance
eben1000uk wrote:
I just got back from NAMM - my first ever visit and it is a bit crazy there for sure! an awful lot of interesting haircuts...

so i tried out the new easel and had a good chat with one of the guys on the stand - he told me it is loyal to the original circuit design, down to a component level! so just to confirm its all-analog including the spring reverb.


Thanks for the info, Benge. I was wondering about the reverb, so that was really helpful. Did you notice whether it uses an external wall wart style power supply?
eben1000uk
sorry i didn't notice - i was too excited to start playing with it!

i will check this tomorrow - any other questions i should ask? thumbs up
amorphiss
dissonance wrote:
eben1000uk wrote:
I just got back from NAMM - my first ever visit and it is a bit crazy there for sure! an awful lot of interesting haircuts...

so i tried out the new easel and had a good chat with one of the guys on the stand - he told me it is loyal to the original circuit design, down to a component level! so just to confirm its all-analog including the spring reverb.


Thanks for the info, Benge. I was wondering about the reverb, so that was really helpful. Did you notice whether it uses an external wall wart style power supply?


Wow so it's all through-hole components and no SMT parts?
chrisso
I can't see any reason why you can't integrate the new Easel with 200e.
You just can't put them in the same case. Many 200e users don't have the touch plate controller either, so won't be doubling up.
Montag
eben1000uk wrote:
sorry i didn't notice - i was too excited to start playing with it!

i will check this tomorrow - any other questions i should ask? thumbs up


Thanks for scouting it out for us! Could you get more details on the bluetooth patch programability? For example, I'm wondering if it would be possible to roll your own 64 step sequencer in max/msp, and send the CV to the easel via Open Sound Control? If so, where would the voltage will come out?

And could you ask if the final production version will have a detachable lid on the case?

Thanks again!
PraxisCat
I emailed Buchla, they said they are planning keeping this in production for some time. Expect this to hit near voyager like popularity, and a point of entry for Buchla.

In terms of the 200e integration...I would LOVE it, but I will get this regardless. This is my dream instrument, and I thought I was done with synths....(I should know, one is never done with synths...).
PraxisCat
chrisso wrote:
I can't see any reason why you can't integrate the new Easel with 200e.
You just can't put them in the same case. Many 200e users don't have the touch plate controller either, so won't be doubling up.


I think they would like to integrate it into their 200e systems and boats.
It is not a deal-killer, but a disappointment. They know they could patch in, this is the benefit of banana instruments (whether they be serge, buchla, or bananafied ciat-lonbarde such as plumbutter) but there is a benefit to having everything within a single system, especially if you are building a system.
pleaseohplease
Eben1000!

If you could please get some definitive word on whether

a. the graphics and font's will conform to the original

and

b. whether the colors (specifically the blue and red of the keyboard) will conform to the original as well

I, and others presumably, would greatly appreciate it!

The two on display look great *but* something just seems off; I suspect it's due to the prototype nature of these, but it would be nice to know for sure whether the final version will retain the same sweet psychedelic carousel invoking design of the original.

Thanks!
moogboy
PraxisCat wrote:
I emailed Buchla, they said they are planning keeping this in production for some time. Expect this to hit near voyager like popularity, and a point of entry for Buchla.

In terms of the 200e integration...I would LOVE it, but I will get this regardless. This is my dream instrument, and I thought I was done with synths....(I should know, one is never done with synths...).


"One synth is too many, and a thousand isn't enough" -Brian Eno.

Also...if someday in the near future I can turn on a major televised musical event such as the Grammys or a giant benefit concert or whatever and yell out "LOOK A MUSIC EASEL!" instead of/in addition to "LOOK A MINIMOOG!" I will be eternally grateful to have been alive at this point in history.
amnesia
I am sure they would be able to install int the 200e system. The original Easel was able to.

The only down side to this guys system is the PCB Preset card would get in the way.
sascha.victoria
That's a 200 case, not a 200e case. I could be wrong but I think the 200 cases were deeper.
noobyscooby
Well, I think I am going to save up 2 grand regardless for some Buchla goodness. There's nothing else in synthdom I'm interested in these days. Have enough of everything else. But will just save it slowly as opposed to a fire sale.

My only call once I have the two grand will be whether to throw down a down payment on the easel or get a 4 panel boat and rack it with some 200e modules.

I know they're two completely different ones but am not sure which Buchly path to take yet. Although analog seems to beat digital for me most of the time and the fact that the easel is a complete instrument is appealing.
jooks
amnesia wrote:
I am sure they would be able to install int the 200e system. The original Easel was able to.

The only down side to this guys system is the PCB Preset card would get in the way.

The original 208 doesnt fit a 200e case from what I've heard. Interesting to see if they made the new one so it will fit. Only selling 208/218 as an easel kit in the case kinda indicates that they dont fit the 200e system!? Hope to be wrong..
astroschnautzer
eben1000uk wrote:
sorry i didn't notice - i was too excited to start playing with it!

i will check this tomorrow - any other questions i should ask? thumbs up
Euro distribution ( who,when, € price) ... SlayerBadger!
andy
I ask and the 208 won't fit the 200e case but the 218 can. thumbs up
weinglas
Could you (or anybody else) please ask, if the power supply works with 230 volt like the 200e? Thanks!
An additional transformer would add a lot of weight...
andy
Will Do be back tomorrow!
arnoux
Really really hope for a big run of this synth..

I'm a penniless guy and it would take 2 years to save +/- 4000 euro for an instrument but hell, here my dream is becoming true, an affordable Buchla, since last year I was in love with the Skylab but I know there's no way to afford it in my entiere life, please Buchla keep this in production for at least two years and nanners
seraphon
Ordered!
Votek_Mendo
I,m really piss off because i sent an email to this address yesterday at 1/24/2013 8:22 PM to buy an easel:
sales@buchla.com

Did not receive any feedback from them since and now i see that more than 100 people have ordered the Easel.

very frustrating

I sent a new email the the other address asking them to check the mail i sent i put me back in the good position on the waiting list. I hope they will understand that. They have my first email...hope it works. we're not worthy
seriously, i just don't get it
Votek_Mendo
Any official speech from BEMI at namm concerning the Easel yet?
muffintop
andy wrote:
I ask and the 208 won't fit the 200e case but the 218 can. thumbs up


bummer, I have 4 spaces in my 12 wls and thought that 208 would be a nice way to finnish it...

waah

is there a big difference in size or how you connect 208 to the boat?
muffintop
anywho, this is freaking awesome!




Rockin' Banana! Rockin' Banana! Rockin' Banana!
flts
interested in whether there will be euro distribution as well, to get sort of predictable prices for buchla instruments around here in general (exchange rates, shipping, customs & vat... so much to factor in), so if anyone could ask about that i'd be grateful.
abendrot
I still love the fact that they reissue the easel but don't see the point
why you can't use the 208e in a 200e cabinet. Great that the 218e will fit.
Will I buy it. I think I will but with the 208e purposely not fitting in a
200e cabinet and the 208e beeing a complete clone of the old one I
think this is also a turning point in the history of Buchla.

It is the first time the company has looked backwards intstead of
forward. Instead of just thinking about what a new 200e easel would
look like and what strange new features they could have implemented.
They just took the design and reissued it. I hope that the funds of the
sales from the music easel go into the development of strange and
nerver done before modules instead of more reissiues.

And I still think it's a bad decission that the 208 won't fit. There is
enough room in the middel boat of a 200e cabinet. So the fat that it
won't fit, from myview, beacause the don't want it to fit.
amnesia
I think that Skylab is the future version of the music easel.
chrisso
Funny.
One group of people saying design isn't faithful enough to the original Easel, and another group complaining it won't fit in a 200e cabinet ( as an original Easel wouldn't).
Who would be a synth designer these days? You're damned either way.
abendrot
For me the skylab is just case that you can fit 10 modules in. hihi
And for me it's not the future music easel. I mean I love sliders but why
not use the touchinterface from the 296e instead.
amnesia
I own a 296 and believe me its a great idea but sliders are faster /better.
If you are playing live the sliders will give you what you need fast.
Morley
chrisso wrote:
Funny.
One group of people saying design isn't faithful enough to the original Easel, and another group complaining it won't fit in a 200e cabinet ( as an original Easel wouldn't).
Who would be a synth designer these days? You're damned either way.


Indeed!
I think it looks great. I wish I could justify one. It is what it is. A compact and portable system.
The problem for me is that $4k seems cheap, but is still a lot of money and when I had an Easel it was a fun thing but not something I got too much mileage out of. I think this version seems more interesting with the arpeggiator in the touchpad, as that would leave the 5 step sequencer for other uses rather than as a note sequencer and the wifi stuff could be very cool.
abendrot
I am just saying that the 208e not fitting into a 200e cabinet is a marketing
decision to not endanger the skylab and not something that could not have
been done. So they are taking away that option and saying you can't
bacaus we don't want you too. Thats not consumer friendly.
aasmodular
eben1000uk wrote:
i will check this tomorrow - any other questions i should ask?


As many I would like to know more about EU: reseller and qualified repair centre.

Beside that I would love to know if Buchla will implement new modules based on what they've been working on for Easel. e.g. OSC/iThings module.

Thank You
ModHiisi
Hi, anybody knows what address BEMI uses for paypal?

I'm basically in on the deal and would like to send the prepayment asap. I'm guessing that they won't get back at me during the weekend..?

Thanks,

Mika
seraphon
I think both "purchasing@buchla.com" and "info@buchla.com" work, but dont hold me to it. I used the 1st one yesterday and it got through.
thumbs up
Fidgit
being from europe myself i wonder why european people wait for any distributor in europe. there is none for buchla stuff. why don't you simply order in the US? seriously, i just don't get it

VAT will apply anyway (no matter from where bought), shipping will be calculated in as well, so what's the issue with ordering from the US? warranty? well, yes, eventually.
or the potential expense of €50.- for a step down converter? buchla uses cincon switchers anyway, they will work all over the world.
tIB
^ I want european servicing so I can upgrade my 200e without fear of being stung on import tax (for the second time, ie its already been imported).
Distribution is less important to me.
astroschnautzer
Fidgit wrote:
being from europe myself i wonder why european people wait for any distributor in europe. there is none for buchla stuff. why don't you simply order in the US? seriously, i just don't get it

VAT will apply anyway (no matter from where bought), shipping will be calculated in as well, so what's the issue with ordering from the US? warranty? well, yes, eventually.
or the potential expense of €50.- for a step down converter? buchla uses cincon switchers anyway, they will work all over the world.
I think I read somewhere (here on muffs?) they are planning on having a EU distributor, thats why I'm wondering, its much easier just to buy in EU if there is somebody selling here but if not then of course order from US ....
wavecircle
I don't know why anyone would question the new easel. I think it's great that it's very similar to the original, nobody is complaining that the new Synthis are completely analogue and faithful to the original. The easel is an iconic design in analogue synths, we can count ourselves very lucky that we have this chance to own it again.

And, this thing is considerably cheaper than a Serge Animal which is the only other high end modular which offers this much in one package. The easel is by far better value in comparison IMO.
astroschnautzer
ModHiisi wrote:
Hi, anybody knows what address BEMI uses for paypal?

I'm basically in on the deal and would like to send the prepayment asap. I'm guessing that they won't get back at me during the weekend..?

Thanks,

Mika
We got to have a dual easel jam when these arrive... hyper
Fidgit
tIB wrote:
^ I want european servicing so I can upgrade my 200e without fear of being stung on import tax (for the second time, ie its already been imported).
Distribution is less important to me.


i see your point. and yes, i've been there (too). from my experience it's just a matter of good preparation, filling in and keeping some forms and present them afterwards if something went wrong with the re-import.
some bureaucracy, but nothing that would keep me (personally) from doing it. admittedly, YMMV.

regarding european distribution: they are talking about it for over a year now. i'm not affiliated with buchla by any means, but personally i don't see it happening. meh
hopefully i'm wrong. 8_)
ModHiisi
astroschnautzer wrote:
ModHiisi wrote:
Hi, anybody knows what address BEMI uses for paypal?

I'm basically in on the deal and would like to send the prepayment asap. I'm guessing that they won't get back at me during the weekend..?

Thanks,

Mika
We got to have a dual easel jam when these arrive... hyper


Oh yeah Man, Oh Yeah! Dead Banana
ModHiisi
seraphon wrote:
I think both "purchasing@buchla.com" and "info@buchla.com" work, but dont hold me to it. I used the 1st one yesterday and it got through.
thumbs up


Thanks, but do you mean they'd work for paypalling some moolah..?
seraphon
@ModHilsi: yup, thats what I was told. I used the "purchasing@buchla.com" one.
ModHiisi
seraphon wrote:
@ModHilsi: yup, thats what I was told. I used the "purchasing@buchla.com" one.


Nice, thanks!
richard
wavecircle wrote:
I don't know why anyone would question the new easel. I think it's great that it's very similar to the original, nobody is complaining that the new Synthis are completely analogue and faithful to the original. The easel is an iconic design in analogue synths, we can count ourselves very lucky that we have this chance to own it again.


exactly, and it is particularly hard to sympathize with some guys who already own $20 - $40 000 Buchlas moaning that this news isn't exactly the shape that they might personally might like it to be. seriously, i just don't get it
Morley
I hope there is a european dealer at some point.
dopefiend
Funny to see that some people are disappointed that the Easel was brought back with so much adherence to the original design, and call it a "backwards" step, while there are so many that demand reissues of things like the original Minimoog D, the Prophet Pro-1 or the ARP 2600. And then there's the guy calling it a "piece of crap, epic fail" etc... hmmm.....
If anyone finds this design awkward and impractical it is because they just don't get it. They have to understand that it isn't just about the sound, but the tactile pleasure of the user interface. Having a chromatic keyboard that you can literally caress and have the sound respond to your fondling razz love Another plus of having a touch-plate set of "blacks-and-whites" is that those of us with chronic tendinitis can keep on playing/making music without fucking up their hands further. Oh, and hurray for the original sliders!! nanners Those funky touch sliders just don't do it for me! d'oh!

I have had the delight of playing the Snyderphonics JD-1 for over one year now, and have to admit it is a very gratifying experience.
One thing I wonder, though, is how one could perform pitch-bending with the 218. I know, I know, one can use the pressure voltage for this, but I prefer to use this to tweak the filter cut-off. I am a joystick kind of guy (yeah, yeah, c'mon, get the Beavis and Butthead comments out of the way already.... u-huh-huh-huh-huh..... he...said...joystick hihi ), and would have preferred a reissue of the original Kinesthetic Input Port, ideally with a spring-loaded stick (hides)

Another thing that puts off the detractors is the type of sound examples that are floating in Youtube.. nothing but bongos, bleeps and bloops (apologies to Mr Cohen we're not worthy ). They don't realize that these instruments have the potential for much more than that!

I am personally thrilled beyond words about the reissue of this baby.... I just wish they did away with the font on the keyboard, which almost looks like East LA Chicano-Cholo graffitty (reminds me of the "tags" from Salvadorian gangs!! angry very frustrating ). I hope they stick with the original font. Why ruin an otherwise classy and beautiful design?

Anyway....I'm a happy Mo' Fo'. Now if only they answered my emails!!! cry

Edited out some political incorrectness....
opsysbug
I like this. Ever'body gettin' all excited all upset all wiggley. People thinkin' they maybe or not really getting what they want. Thinking what's good /bad.
All just talking fast and all jiggidy. This is a big thing. One of the biggest I've seen here.
Hell. I'm getting one. Sometime. Guinness ftw!
DedMousie
dopefiend wrote:
Another thing that puts off the detractors is the type of sound examples that are floating in Youtube.. nothing but bongos, bleeps and bloops (apologies to Mr Cohen we're not worthy ). They don't realize that these instruments have the potential for much more than that!


I'd LOVE for somebody to put together a playlist on Soundcloud or somewhere of a wider variety of examples that what's found on the first two pages of a Google search, which is mostly bongos! I'm very interested in hearing some wispy atmospheric stuff and slowly evolving soundscapes and such.

I *know* they're out there, just not easy to find...
Shasta Cults
some samples on my soundcloud:

https://soundcloud.com/ava76
theboddy
rick wrote:
some samples on my soundcloud:

https://soundcloud.com/ava76


Nice one. There's some excellent material on there. Listening now.
AntManBee
Projected price USD 3999. Available for pre-order now with a 50% deposit of USD 2000 and balance due when it's ready to ship (estimated to be June 2013). Supplied with multiple preset cards. Interface Card for the Apple iPod/iPad-MIDI Preset Manager is an optional extra for c.USD 500. First come-first served. To order email purchasing@buchla.com.
moogboy
DedMousie wrote:
dopefiend wrote:
Another thing that puts off the detractors is the type of sound examples that are floating in Youtube.. nothing but bongos, bleeps and bloops (apologies to Mr Cohen we're not worthy ). They don't realize that these instruments have the potential for much more than that!


I'd LOVE for somebody to put together a playlist on Soundcloud or somewhere of a wider variety of examples that what's found on the first two pages of a Google search, which is mostly bongos! I'm very interested in hearing some wispy atmospheric stuff and slowly evolving soundscapes and such.

I *know* they're out there, just not easy to find...


Speaking of this sort of thing, has anyone ever done a "Switched on Buchla" album? I have this vague theory building up in the back of my mind that one of the reasons Moog synths made the inroads into pop music that they did is because of those Moogsploitation albums. The ones where they would get some poor fellah with a Moog (or worse, a session player who played while Beaver and Krause patched) to play the pop hits of the day on this newfangled synthesizer thingy. Point being, I've heard some beautiful music made on Buchlas, and I think it would be fun to hear some Buchla'd Katy Perry/Ke$ha music, or whatever, something that could show off the diversity of capabilities in these wonderful machines.

I for one will, once I order my Easel someday in the future, immediately begin to arrange Call Me Maybe for it.
andy
muffintop wrote:
andy wrote:
I ask and the 208 won't fit the 200e case but the 218 can. thumbs up


bummer, I have 4 spaces in my 12 wls and thought that 208 would be a nice way to finnish it...

waah

is there a big difference in size or how you connect 208 to the boat?


Form what i remembered he said that 208e designed to fit in that case and is to deep for 200e system, most likely because of the reverb tank. He said their on separate boats so powered separately. I asked him if you could use the 218e in the 200e case he said it should work. seriously, i just don't get it Ill go back today and make sure on every thing. thumbs up
Morley
As long as you have this, It'll fit. Trust me.
phutureboy
hihi
Votek_Mendo
I would have love them to be EXACTLY the same. Every small details.
My brain would have exploded.
I really dont understand the changes they made.

Whos at the Buchla booth this namm?
IS DON there?
aasmodular
moogboy wrote:
Speaking of this sort of thing, has anyone ever done a "Switched on Buchla" album?


Alessandro Cortini did it with his two SONOIO albums. Oh boy do I love them!?!?! Guinness ftw!
Slabwax
@Rick

Thanks for the soundcloud link. That is just what I needed to hear. I'll be placing an order real soon.
Shasta Cults
slabwax.. great glad you liked it

moogboy.. i applaud your thoughts on how to use a buchla in a new and different way however i think you idea sucks... i'm fairly certain you were joking smile
aasmodular
rick wrote:
moogboy.. i applaud your thoughts on how to use a buchla in a new and different way however i think you idea sucks... i'm fairly certain you were joking smile


does this suck to you? is it a joke?

Shasta Cults
nope i think Mr Cortini makes great music and is one of the few people using buchlas today that gets what they are and how to use them.

i think making a buchla record of covers of pop hits is a fairly amusing joke..
Orbless
aasmodular wrote:
rick wrote:
moogboy.. i applaud your thoughts on how to use a buchla in a new and different way however i think you idea sucks... i'm fairly certain you were joking smile


does this suck to you? is it a joke?



This is his worst material in my opinion. I much prefer his work under his own name or Blind Old Freak.
aasmodular
@rick: oh! that! sorry I've mistaken your words.

But I bet it would be fun at least.

ps: anyway I picked the wrong album. My love for that song tricked me razz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SONOIO#SONOIO_Blue
captnapalm
This piece is almost all Easel, other than the bass line and tabla machine:

[s]http://soundcloud.com/luther_r/between-states[/s]

Also I've put a lot of Easel tracks on Roommate songs. This one has lots of melodic lines.
jonkull
DedMousie wrote:
I'd LOVE for somebody to put together a playlist on Soundcloud or somewhere of a wider variety of examples that what's found on the first two pages of a Google search, which is mostly bongos! I'm very interested in hearing some wispy atmospheric stuff and slowly evolving soundscapes and such.

I *know* they're out there, just not easy to find...


Check out forum member Lyonel's stuff. A sampling of which is here...

http://dinrecords.bandcamp.com/album/the-secret-society-dinddl11

He has a soundcloud as well but I don't have a link.
moogboy
rick wrote:

moogboy.. i applaud your thoughts on how to use a buchla in a new and different way however i think you idea sucks... i'm fairly certain you were joking smile


Actually I am dead serious. I have a highly developed aesthetic appreciation of trash. Granted, if Subotnick heard it he'd probably try to murder me, but I'm alright with that. The way I see it, this isn't calculus, there are no limits.
Shasta Cults
sure if you own the mona lisa you can hang it above your toilet as well.. its yours do what you want with it
mrfang
Orbless wrote:

This is his worst material in my opinion. I much prefer his work under his own name or Blind Old Freak.


Agreed 100%. Also, I don't know if any Buchla gear was used for this song at all. I saw him do a live performance around the time this video came out, complete with light bulbs, OP-1, and distracting effeminate pop vocals, and spent the entire time wishing he'd brought his Buchla instead.
Nils
captnapalm wrote:
This piece is almost all Easel, other than the bass line and tabla machine:

[s]http://soundcloud.com/luther_r/between-states[/s]

Also I've put a lot of Easel tracks on Roommate songs. This one has lots of melodic lines.


Great stuff! I like the Roommate stuff as well. The Easel parts sound like how I imagine old 100/200 Buchlas to sound, with a spongy, electronic and organic character (if that makes sense).

Seems like a few people on here actually own one of the original Easels. How many were made? I thought there were only a handful.
synthiaks
I emailed Buchla about the new easel a couple of days ago....I've not had a reply, does anyone know if they've started a waiting list?

Just joined muff wiggler btw....often heard it mentioned but am hooked into the synthi forum as EMS gear is my primary addiction & always assumed Buchla would be out of reach, but looks like potentially the Easel will open up a spectrum of new customers.
tIB
Fidgit wrote:
tIB wrote:
^ I want european servicing so I can upgrade my 200e without fear of being stung on import tax (for the second time, ie its already been imported).
Distribution is less important to me.


i see your point. and yes, i've been there (too). from my experience it's just a matter of good preparation, filling in and keeping some forms and present them afterwards if something went wrong with the re-import.
some bureaucracy, but nothing that would keep me (personally) from doing it. admittedly, YMMV.

regarding european distribution: they are talking about it for over a year now. i'm not affiliated with buchla by any means, but personally i don't see it happening. meh
hopefully i'm wrong. 8_)


Tbh I agree with you, though the suggestion that it might happen (I was told info would be released at NAMM) has so far kept me from getting it sorted: If I knew it wouldnt happen Id do the paperwork and get them stateside.
Shasta Cults
this topic has been covered quite a bit.. there are around 30 or so vintage music easels according to what i've been told... and after a decade of OCD i see no reason to dispute this

the easel sounds good.. it was developed in 1973 around/along with the 500.. which really is kind of like a poly easel with the Mod/complex Osc/waveshaper set which became standard on later buchla instrumentation

the 100 is (in my opinion) the best sounding buchla.. raw.. primitive with that dank 60s experimental studio mojo..

the easel is a well thought out yet/and limited portable system.. the patch field is one one of dons most remarkable interface choices.. the input jacks correspond to the function they control and the multi colour banana jack mults are a great solution as they are paired next to logical destinations and able be patched with un obtrusive shorting bars

the program card slot allows for programming of presets as well as access to the 208s facilities from digital systems as well as other analog instrumentation...

tricks that may not be apparent

- the pulse can also be used as a simple AR envelope
- cv control over several functions is available through the preset card slot (attack /decay etc) "metaprogramming"
- the 2 gates are 180 degrees out of phase with each other allowing for various types of filter combinations and pseudo phaseshifting which i love

I have an early 1973 music easel I've been playing for almost a decade, I've serviced about 10 208s/easel in total in this time
captnapalm
Nils wrote:


Seems like a few people on here actually own one of the original Easels. How many were made? I thought there were only a handful.


Around 30 total seems to be the consensus.
Votek_Mendo
Can someone tell me if all the stuff on Cohen,s soundcloud is made with the easel? Apart from the usual external processing.

http://soundcloud.com/beepsandboops/tracks?format=html&page=2#play

I like Beep of the Week 16 and 14 especially.
Nice Work!
exper
This is pretty much his setup. Just the effects change occasionally. He has some eml circuits built into the sides. A filter, ADSR and possibly an oscillator.

captnapalm
Votek_Mendo wrote:
Can someone tell me if all the stuff on Cohen,s soundcloud is made with the easel? Apart from the usual external processing.

http://soundcloud.com/beepsandboops/tracks?format=html&page=2#play

I like Beep of the Week 16 and 14 especially.
Nice Work!

Sounds to me like the "drum beat" part of Week 14 is an electronic tabla but everything else sounds Easel (with delay).
bwhittington
I can't wait for Easels to start hitting the used market from sellers who bought one thinking they would sound like that Vimeo video. It's like buying a Stratocaster because Jimi Hendrix used one.
darenager
^ Haha, that did cross my mind too hihi
Phalanxe
Ordered.

Now to sell things to afford it.
pleaseohplease
I'm not sure if folks can access this, but in the small (soon to be growing, I suspect) music easel yahoo group I posted a few snippets of easel audio; a small smattering of the billions of bits worth of audio which I saved over the course of a year jamming with the easel, when I thought I would never have a chance to play it again....

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/music_easel/files/Evergreen%20Eas el%20Samples/

Truly exciting times we're living in! w00t
pleaseohplease
And BEMI, if you're listening...

I really hope the final 218e retains the following color and font Guinness ftw!

[/img]
flts
ModHiisi wrote:
astroschnautzer wrote:
ModHiisi wrote:
Hi, anybody knows what address BEMI uses for paypal?

I'm basically in on the deal and would like to send the prepayment asap. I'm guessing that they won't get back at me during the weekend..?

Thanks,

Mika
We got to have a dual easel jam when these arrive... hyper


Oh yeah Man, Oh Yeah! Dead Banana


hah! guys, i want to try out yours when one of you gets them... in helsinki myself hihi do you have an idea if there are any current buchla system owners in hki metropolitan area or does one of you have some? been interested in trying out a 200e system but no idea who in finland would have one.
ModHiisi
flts wrote:
ModHiisi wrote:
astroschnautzer wrote:
ModHiisi wrote:
Hi, anybody knows what address BEMI uses for paypal?

I'm basically in on the deal and would like to send the prepayment asap. I'm guessing that they won't get back at me during the weekend..?

Thanks,

Mika
We got to have a dual easel jam when these arrive... hyper


Oh yeah Man, Oh Yeah! Dead Banana


hah! guys, i want to try out yours when one of you gets them... in helsinki myself hihi do you have an idea if there are any current buchla system owners in hki metropolitan area or does one of you have some? been interested in trying out a 200e system but no idea who in finland would have one.


Yeah, you definitely can try out mine once received. Don't actually know anyone personally (or otherwise..) who would have any Buchla around these parts... I got some Serge though...
flts
ModHiisi wrote:
Yeah, you definitely can try out mine once received. Don't actually know anyone personally (or otherwise..) who would have any Buchla around these parts... I got some Serge though...


great! kind of thinking whether i should order one myself, could afford it with some small changes to home studio but maybe i'll hold a bit since it seems it'll take some time before anyone receives theirs and i won't be in the front of the queue in any case. i think i've only had access to a vcs3, some system 100m things and my & friend's euro systems locally so far... would be interesting to try out how serge feels & sounds in general as well so maybe i should arrange a tryout with you one day!

sorry for off topic, go on lol
Oxix52
I have to say, I really like the new design for the 218. I have never even seen a vintage easel in person(or any Buchla other than mine), but it always looked to me like the keys were a bit too small. The new keys look roomy with lots of surface for cv control. It looks more playable to me than the old one.

I don't plan on ordering one any time soon, but I definitely see myself getting one sometime in the next 2-3 years assuming they will be in continual production. I had a Skylab case last year and ended up getting rid of it because I missed the space of my 201e-18. The easel looks more like what I was trying to do--a self-contained portable Bucha-in-a-case to compliment the 200e.

I really love the innovations from Buchla, regardless of what decade they come from.
mrfang
Laurie @ BEMI is answering emails today, for anyone eagerly awaiting responses.
amnesia
dopefiend wrote:


Another thing that puts off the detractors is the type of sound examples that are floating in Youtube.. nothing but bongos, bleeps and bloops (apologies to Mr Cohen we're not worthy ). They don't realize that these instruments have the potential for much more than that!


If you don't get that a synth can make as many sounds as you can think of then you need a bullet to the brain!.
astroschnautzer
flts wrote:
ModHiisi wrote:
astroschnautzer wrote:
ModHiisi wrote:
Hi, anybody knows what address BEMI uses for paypal?

I'm basically in on the deal and would like to send the prepayment asap. I'm guessing that they won't get back at me during the weekend..?

Thanks,

Mika
We got to have a dual easel jam when these arrive... hyper


Oh yeah Man, Oh Yeah! Dead Banana


hah! guys, i want to try out yours when one of you gets them... in helsinki myself hihi do you have an idea if there are any current buchla system owners in hki metropolitan area or does one of you have some? been interested in trying out a 200e system but no idea who in finland would have one.
No buchla here either and haven't heard about anybody having in finland, have some euro and a DIY serge/cgs myself here in Porvoo.... you are welcome though to try out a easel when one arrives, but first need to get in contact with buchla, havent yet answered mails...
amnesia
pleaseohplease wrote:
And BEMI, if you're listening...

I really hope the final 218e retains the following color and font Guinness ftw!

[/img]


Why? Won't it sound good then?
Shasta Cults
like it for what it is.. try not to hate on it for what it isn't

it will never be a vintage Buchla Music Easel no matter what it looks like... its a modern recreation of a classic instrument with a few new tricks and an "affordable" price.

yes i am sure some people here wish the graphics looked the same or it had the old blue case/knobs but i promise you that unless you plan to just stare at it and compare it to an old one you will quickly overcome these cosmetic changes.

having had experience with the old one I can say the lighter case/supply is a HUGE plus.. the Hi/Lo switch in the mod osc is also a great addition... years ago i modded a 208 with the LEDs to match the section, great to see that on this version.

chrisso
Agree with the last two posts.
It's sad when music makers get so worked up by colour schemes and graphics.
fluxmonkey
in. dream come true.
mrfang
amnesia wrote:


If you don't get that a synth can make as many sounds as you can think of then you need a bullet to the brain!.


One of the things I like about synths is that they can make sounds I haven't yet thought of. It's motherfucking bacon yo
amnesia
mrfang wrote:
amnesia wrote:


If you don't get that a synth can make as many sounds as you can think of then you need a bullet to the brain!.


One of the things I like about synths is that they can make sounds I haven't yet thought of. It's motherfucking bacon yo


And that :-)
Rod Serling Fan Club
Laurie via email wrote:

As far as I know the Music Easel will retain the look you saw from NAMM. I have no info or audio/video right now but I’m sure there will be soon...no we don't have any demos yet. Probably later this
month we will have something up.
ultrashock
as somewhere here already noticed, complex vco has a few knobs (fine tune, waveshape) with white inlay while modulation vco has a blue ones. does it mean that mod osc. is capable of storing in presets, i.e. control from the buchla bus/presets or card/OSC protocol? would that further mean that mod. vco has digital nature (like rest 200e-series) while complex one (aka principal) was left analog because of historical reasons (white inlay of fine tune knob makes me worry about it).... anyway the pitch of moth vcos is essential parameter that was being stored at old-easel cards...
in total - new updated 208 is pretty much, however I would prefer version with lcd display and preset manager and usb connection to ipad/osc instead of one more card socket and adapter.... I simply cannot imagine modern buchla-easel owner who will solder resistors on card for making own presets...
stretta
ModHiisi wrote:
seraphon wrote:
I think both "purchasing@buchla.com" and "info@buchla.com" work, but dont hold me to it. I used the 1st one yesterday and it got through.
thumbs up


Thanks, but do you mean they'd work for paypalling some moolah..?


Laurie says you can use paypal, but you have to add 4% to cover the paypal fees.

Never maintain cash savings again
jonah
These program cards are new to me and very interesting. I looked at little and they appear to use resistors and a battery? Seems quite exploitable! Photo-resistors, pots, bio-feedback, etc.

I once had an idea for a synth that would wear and evolve in response to your environment, like how a wood instrument will change if you live near salt water or an arid desert, but had no idea how to pull it off. You could have a lot of fun using things like temperature sensing resistors, slowly discharging caps, and I think I've seen some resistors that sense things like barometric pressure and humidity. I'm sure there even more beyond that.

I'm searching Muffs now, but is there a good place explaining how the program cards operate? I'd like to try playing around with this concept with CV controllable devices in general.
stretta
jonah wrote:
I'm searching Muffs now, but is there a good place explaining how the program cards operate?


There is a link to the original manual in the current euro easel emulation thread. https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7433&start=all

here is the link itself
http://ia600701.us.archive.org/33/items/synthmanual-buchla-music-easel -owners-manual/buchlamusiceaselownersmanual.pdf

bsmith
In!
dan_k
jonah wrote:
These program cards are new to me and very interesting. I looked at little and they appear to use resistors and a battery? Seems quite exploitable! Photo-resistors, pots, bio-feedback, etc.

I once had an idea for a synth that would wear and evolve in response to your environment, like how a wood instrument will change if you live near salt water or an arid desert, but had no idea how to pull it off. You could have a lot of fun using things like temperature sensing resistors, slowly discharging caps, and I think I've seen some resistors that sense things like barometric pressure and humidity. I'm sure there even more beyond that.

I'm searching Muffs now, but is there a good place explaining how the program cards operate? I'd like to try playing around with this concept with CV controllable devices in general.


I agree, I am certainly interested in exploring these avenues as well.

Check out the Meta Programming section of the Music Easel manual for a description of the program cards. It covers this quite extensively. The link is somewhere earlier in this thread or just google it smile
thermionicjunky
jonah wrote:


I'm searching Muffs now, but is there a good place explaining how the program cards operate? I'd like to try playing around with this concept with CV controllable devices in general.


Meta-Programming section of the manual.

http://www.synthfool.com/docs/Buchla/PaMtEO.pdf

Different resistor values simulate patched connections, knob settings and switch positions.
Peake
Congrats to BEMI!
550b
ultrashock wrote:
.... I simply cannot imagine modern buchla-easel owner who will solder resistors on card for making own presets...


I'm *really* looking forward to this aspect, and am quite impressed they retained it. Part of the charm of the original: an ingenuous, fairly 'low-tech', and inexpensive way of storing presets. It sounds like there will be a Interface Card option for those uninterested in soldering, too - best of both worlds.
Enkidoo
I had just decided to go for a Serge Animal with TKB as my live "Easel" and then this comes in to confuse me.. very frustrating And I haven't even heard it yet... screaming goo yo Great stuff though. applause

To those in Europe complaining there is no distributor for Buchla in Europe, isn't the real question why we don't have any flagship synth companies like Buchla, STS or Moog? It's a lot more interesting... Dead Banana
flts
Enkidoo wrote:
I had just decided to go for a Serge Animal with TKB as my live "Easel" and then this comes in to confuse me.. very frustrating And I haven't even heard it yet... screaming goo yo Great stuff though. applause

To those in Europe complaining there is no distributor for Buchla in Europe, isn't the real question why we don't have any flagship synth companies like Buchla, STS or Moog? It's a lot more interesting... Dead Banana


at least wiard is manufactured in EU now, that probably counts. there's cool small run stuff like synton fenix xl as well.
MechaSeb
dunno what is for you a "flagship company" but we have interest things here too. COTK, Mos-Lab, Eowave, Mutable Instruments, Synton, EMS, ADDAC etc. and yes WIARD now. I think it's far than being bad.
dolma84
MechaSeb wrote:
dunno what is for you a "flagship company" but we have interest things here too. COTK, Mos-Lab, Eowave, Mutable Instruments, Synton, EMS, ADDAC etc. and yes WIARD now. I think it's far than being bad.

Graham Hinton, Rob Hordijk, Ken MacBeth, Martin Hollinger (Airböurne Synthesizer System), Sebastian Niessen (SND) and Technosaurus
MechaSeb
dolma84 wrote:
MechaSeb wrote:
dunno what is for you a "flagship company" but we have interest things here too. COTK, Mos-Lab, Eowave, Mutable Instruments, Synton, EMS, ADDAC etc. and yes WIARD now. I think it's far than being bad.

Graham Hinton, Rob Hordijk, Ken MacBeth, Martin Hollinger (Airböurne Synthesizer System), Sebastian Niessen (SND) and Technosaurus


thumbs up thumbs up
And there must be much more
tIB
Bugbrand! w00t
darenager
^ Seconded, don't underestimate Tom Bugs - a latter day pioneer for sure!
amnesia
But I still want an Easel :-)
dkcg
MechaSeb wrote:
dolma84 wrote:
MechaSeb wrote:
dunno what is for you a "flagship company" but we have interest things here too. COTK, Mos-Lab, Eowave, Mutable Instruments, Synton, EMS, ADDAC etc. and yes WIARD now. I think it's far than being bad.

Graham Hinton, Rob Hordijk, Ken MacBeth, Martin Hollinger (Airböurne Synthesizer System), Sebastian Niessen (SND) and Technosaurus


thumbs up thumbs up
And there must be much more


Plenty of european designers and manufacturers I wish were in the US, like Wowa Cwejman, Jurgen from Jomox, and the Teenage Engineering crew, off the top of my head.

bluetooth & OSC...fan-fucking-tastic! Can't wait to see how some max/msp and/or Reaktor can be integrated with the easel. The easel-e is easily the spotlight of NAMM for us wiggler types.
authorless
Not sure if it has been mentioned already, but the programer card offers access to other functions not available on the panel. I know CC has a few cards that allow and external clock to be fed into the sequencer.
thesnow
I'd rather have a Fenix hihi (hides)
bwhittington
ultrashock wrote:
I simply cannot imagine modern buchla-easel owner who will solder resistors on card for making own presets...


You can't? hmmm..... That card slot is one of the more intriguing things about the Easel to me. Someone is going to exploit the heck out of that thing. It's not like there is any lack of DIY spirit in the synth community.

bsmith wrote:
In!


Ooo, goodie! Can I suggest a TX synth meet in Q2. 8_)
Enkidoo
I didn't say there weren't any great talents or products in Europe. I said flagship companies. I agree with anyone saying they don't want to consider what is flagship or not and don't give a damn about a company being flagship or not. I don't agree with any of the companies or people stated above to be or own flagship companies which means something like having a commanding legacy and influence over a certain industry. Flagship also means getting 16000+ views in 48 hours on a topic announcing the release of a new product on a forum like this one. I'll be cheering too when a European company can show a few pictures and people start sending them piles of cash immediately. Actually by answering the wrong question you are feeding the debate in my sense because exactly, there is all this talent here but we still don't have these flagship companies. That's my point. And your answers help me get a partial explanation of how we got there..
tIB
Pretty sure if ems were at namm there'd be similar hype.
Samuron
Enkidoo wrote:
To those in Europe complaining there is no distributor for Buchla in Europe, isn't the real question why we don't have any flagship synth companies like Buchla, STS or Moog?

I guess I missed something; did Doepfer go out of business?
subultresk
some more fotos i found...

















Scories
If this would have been released one year earlier, I would probably not have bought a Serge Animal in the first place.

And I don't understand why they have waited such a long time do produce an affordable self-contained playable modular again.
eben1000uk
i had another look at the easel today and can confirm that it has the same kind of power adaptor as on the 200e, so no transformers required for 240v users, which is good. the case lid currently does not come away from the case - but Jeff (who built this thing) said that there may be some changes made to the case in the final production run and they would consider this. although he pointed out that the original didn't remove either

it seems very unlikely that the 208e will be available as a module that will fit into a 201e case - its too deep and has the reverb tank and other stuff in the case that just is not compatible with the 201e cabinet

there will be a new card that slots into the place where the current card is that has a computer interface on it, which should open up many options...

It's peanut butter jelly time! nanners
emp
eben1000uk wrote:
the case lid currently does not come away from the case - but Jeff (who built this thing) said that there may be some changes made to the case in the final production run and they would consider this. although he pointed out that the original didn't remove either

That is not true. The original Easel we have at the Royal College of Music in Stockholm (where i work), has a lid that comes off. In my opinion it would be really bad design if they didn't make it removable.
richardm123uk
I'm really happy that I'll be able to own and play this instrument. Buchla has been a total life saver for me. It's brought out a creativity I thought I had lost, my 10 modules of 200e are pure therapy, the only synth I gel 100% with.

Saving for this is going to be as much fun as owning!
Shasta Cults
on (some) of the earlier silver "camera" easel cases the lid did not come off.. blue zero case the lid does come off
eben1000uk
oh, they had an original easel there next to it that had a fixed-lid - but maybe they have been through this process before, and later ones didn't!
Slabwax
If you want the removable lid the thing to do is to start asking and requesting before they settle on design. That is what I'm going to do when I place my order in the next week or so.
confusional
Wow, what happy news and what strange times we live in. I can only see goodness in this. Much respect to the people behind Buchla for making this happen. I hope kids (of all ages) buy these and have lots of fun with them.

If some folks end up dumping their Euro systems for something like this, well, that's just great for people who want to buy used Euro systems, right? And for me, if others want to abandon their Serge systems to explore the Buchla realm, then I feel like that's the best news of all. So stoked!
vassili
ordered! w00t

perfect friend beside my fénix serge combo! hyper w00t razz
Votek_Mendo
bwhittington wrote:
I can't wait for Easels to start hitting the used market from sellers who bought one thinking they would sound like that Vimeo video. It's like buying a Stratocaster because Jimi Hendrix used one.


So True hihi
amnesia
removable case lid is a must! so it can all fit on the table with 200e.
SunSpots
Hmm anyone else looking at this thinking "next year! But for now I have 12u more euro to buy" ?
jimmyedgar
My first thought was how ugly it looks. Carnival color scheme, the design surprises me in a bad way; normally buchla looks so sterile (which i like) reminds me of medical equipment. Wtf though, terrible font/type and color of the touchkeys.. it looks like third party DIY. I don't care if its trying to be retro, its distracting.
felixer
jimmyedgar wrote:
my first thought was how ugly it looks.. like carnival colors and design surprises me, normally buchla looks so sterile (which i like) reminds me of medical equipment. wtf, terrible type and colors on the touchkeys.. looks like third party DIY

I agree! just for a second i thought this might be a chance of getting a buchla as a nice standalone. not worrying about interfacing etc. but this? for 4k? seriously, i just don't get it
noobyscooby
Does B&A take paypal? When I sell gear and records I like to keep that money in my paypal in USD for buying things and would prefer not to lose money on exchange withdrawing it from paypal back to Canadian funds to have to pay with a credit card or something.
weinglas
They take Paypal, but you have to pay an additional 4%.
Morley
Scories wrote:
If this would have been released one year earlier, I would probably not have bought a Serge Animal in the first place.

And I don't understand why they have waited such a long time do produce an affordable self-contained playable modular again.


If you hook up a TKB to your animal you have a KILER synth. The Easel is a wonderful thing but very different. To have one would not exclude the other.
legionhwp
Yes and no. The music easel is not an Animal. But (and who ever thought these words would make sense) the Buchla is more *affordable*.

The TKB is an amazing stage sequencer along with it's pressure cv assignable keypads but the animal alone costs aout as much as the entire Easel. For curious sound explorers looking for a boutique high end instrument who have never player either Serge or Buchla the New Easel (especially with it's promising card interface additions) seems like a lot more for the money, a complete integrated system, and maybe even *gasp* more fun.

That said, the common sense in me has to say calling a $4k synth *affordable* still seems a bit arrogant. I made more music with my bugbrand WOM for $50 and used it live more than my Serge the last year I had it. No one needs any of these things, but hot damn the prospect of a new Easel for those that can afford it? These are good days indeed and make me completely forget about serge at their current prices new and used.

Rockin' Banana!


Morley wrote:
Scories wrote:
If this would have been released one year earlier, I would probably not have bought a Serge Animal in the first place.

And I don't understand why they have waited such a long time do produce an affordable self-contained playable modular again.


If you hook up a TKB to your animal you have a KILER synth. The Easel is a wonderful thing but very different. To have one would not exclude the other.
Morley
legionhwp wrote:
Yes and no. The music easel is not an Animal. But (and who ever thought these words would make sense) the Buchla is more *affordable*.


I agree overall BUT the easel is much simpler. You get more in the animal ultimately so although it will cost more, you are getting a more powerful system and at these prices $4k (plus $500 for the wifi card) or $6k for the Serge is not a huge difference.
The main thing I meant is that they sound completely different and have very different features. The format is somewhat similar so they look comparable but for me they are as alike as a Minimoog and a VCS3

BUT either will be a fabulous instrument for anyone.
dan_p
Enkidoo wrote:

To those in Europe complaining there is no distributor for Buchla in Europe, isn't the real question why we don't have any flagship synth companies like Buchla, STS or Moog? It's a lot more interesting


Lolhammer!

This is one of the most misinformed things I ever did read on Muffs.
chrisso
Maybe if there was an action video of the Easel at NAMM, or more soundfilles, people would stop complaining about the font. waah
Morley
chrisso wrote:
Maybe if there was an action video of the Easel at NAMM, or more soundfilles, people would stop complaining about the font. waah


thumbs up
de_raaf
it think its wise that the artwork isn't totally the same as the old ones
i hope the keep making it for quite some time, seems like the smartest thing they can do, sort of a legacy product, and nice intro and feel of the buchla world

hope to get one myself, but that will take a couple of years

seems amazingly fun, a little synth laboratory, inspiring, a nice form factor

can't wait to hear the first demos from some you!
amnesia
I actually love the font of THE ELECTRIC MUSIC BOX. There is something slightly acidy,edgy, abrasive about it.
tIB
chrisso wrote:
Maybe if there was an action video of the Easel at NAMM, or more soundfilles, people would stop complaining about the font. waah


No doubt people will complain about the sound too as soon as there is one... It's the internet after all.

Congrats too all who have pre-ordered. Guinness ftw!
polyroy
tIB wrote:
chrisso wrote:
Maybe if there was an action video of the Easel at NAMM, or more soundfilles, people would stop complaining about the font. waah


No doubt people will complain about the sound too as soon as there is one... It's the internet after all.

Congrats too all who have pre-ordered. Guinness ftw!


Oh yeah, in before 'it doesn't sound like the original does when you compare youtube videos.' lol
vassili
chrisso wrote:

Congrats too all who have pre-ordered. Guinness ftw!



Thanks! 8_)
jenamu6
Mmmm I'm becomming kind of glad Buchla didn't answer my email from a couple of days ago.
I don't need this applause
I rather wait a while.....there's gonna be some dissapointed early adopters.......like always.
Then maybe I get one 2nd hand.......maybe even then, I won't.

As apealing as it is, it's also way surpassed........as in 4000,- will get you so many other cool stuff, which I also don't need. Rockin' Banana!
tIB
polyroy wrote:
tIB wrote:
chrisso wrote:
Maybe if there was an action video of the Easel at NAMM, or more soundfilles, people would stop complaining about the font. waah


No doubt people will complain about the sound too as soon as there is one... It's the internet after all.

Congrats too all who have pre-ordered. Guinness ftw!


Oh yeah, in before 'it doesn't sound like the original does when you compare youtube videos.' lol


Exactly! lol

I echo the hope that Buchla/BEMI keep this alive for a long long time and think it is brilliant that these things are now (or rather soon to be) obtainable.

Add me to the list of people who want it, though not yet. I have real life* related things in the way, unless I choose to ditch my small 200e for it, which Im not going to- Id miss the 259e too much.

* Good real life related things too, and its about time I grew up!
Morley
jenamu6 wrote:
Mmmm I'm becomming kind of glad Buchla didn't answer my email from a couple of days ago.
I don't need this applause
I rather wait a while.....there's gonna be some dissapointed early adopters.......like always.
Then maybe I get one 2nd hand.......maybe even then, I won't.

As apealing as it is, it's also way surpassed........as in 4000,- will get you so many other cool stuff, which I also don't need. Rockin' Banana!


You have the Fenix II, no?
Compared to an Easel, I wouldn't worry to much! Different things BUT the FII is a monster.
renzo
I agree!
jenamu6
Yes, I got the fenix II and III.
But I always lusted for the easel, but lately I've been reading to many books with Buddhist themes......so I keep telling myself that I don't need more stuff.

It's strange to see the whole world being in economical crisis, but here loads of people (almost myself too) are ordering a luxury item for 4000,-, they haven't even heard yet. woah

Don't get angry, I'm not judging, just observing (otherwise it wouldn't be happening)
ModHiisi
Dead Banana Got one coming my way..!
stretta
weinglas wrote:
They take Paypal, but you have to pay an additional 4%.


I looked into this yesterday because the absolute highest paypal fee you can incur is 2.9% +$0.30 for the transaction (at least for transactions originating inside the US). BEMI easily qualifies for a lower fee of 2.2% simply by filling out an free online form. So, why the 4%?

You know how paypal advertises that it is always free for buyers? Because it is against the terms of service to charge customers a surcharge for paypal.

On one hand it is a deposit for something that a final price has not yet been determined and TAKE MY MONEY ALREADY but on the other hand it bothers me and feels unprofessional.
amnesia
Final price is $3995.00
jonne74
bwhittington wrote:
I can't wait for Easels to start hitting the used market from sellers who bought one thinking they would sound like that Vimeo video. It's like buying a Stratocaster because Jimi Hendrix used one.


With the "low" price the opposite could be true too. Everyone and their brother making sounds like that, just because now it's accessible to more musicians.
amnesia
construct09 wrote:
Hello BEMI

Australian distributor PLEASE! thumbs up


No doubt Awave will have them, they have the Skylab. And the boss of Awave is Lewis who is also a co owner of BEMI. SlayerBadger!
subultresk
jenamu6 wrote:
Don't get angry, I'm not judging, just observing


thumbs up

I am coming closer to some doubts too. First - i believe, MW deserves a deeper conversation. So far it reminds me more of a mad atmosphere in a closing down sale. (Excuse me, but i felt the need of sharing that in my hundredth post. we're not worthy )

On the other hand i ask myself why BEMI was not prepared. Was it random? Do they not know that the first sale peak will happen at the beginning? Why do they disregard some of their own eMail-addresses? Why don't they hire a cheap student for answering the Easel-mails? The answer could be written by an authority before the NAMM starts. Since not everything seems to be done technically the student could get an order to stop sending fees at a quantity of e.g. 1000. Etc. pp.

I was in Frankfurt 2012 and was quite more than a bit shocked about the presentation of the Skylab (with lousy headphones). Nice people from MV-Pro but clueless. This has been severely undercut in the add-on mail communication. I was hoping that especially this things will get better, but....
(e.g. MoogMusicInc released a video with the still anonyme Sub-Phatty on Jan. 9th. The presenter was Herb Deutsch (well chosen!).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE-JZPx7qw4

It's not easy to estimate how the Easel will sell - here it's a big hype, but many NAMM reports (even about synths!) don't mention the Easel yet....

For me it's no question that the new Easel is a fantastic instrument - the interface alone makes it a playable instrument, no matter if it's old or new. With iPad/Max connection it's getting much more interesting!

Nevertheless i would like to hear it. Nobody has mentioned the spring-reverb yet. Of course the lid should come off, but i wouldn't hesitate building my own case.
stretta
subultresk wrote:
On the other hand i ask myself why BEMI was not prepared. Was it random? Do they not know that the first sale peak will happen at the beginning? Why do they disregard some of their own eMail-addresses? Why don't they hire a cheap student for answering the Easel-mails? The answer could be written by an authority before the NAMM starts.


A better question is why even go to NAMM? NAMM is about obtaining a purchase order from Guitar Center. It wasn't always like this. It used to be about collecting a stack of purchase orders from all your dealers scattered across the country. In the days before the internet, NAMM was also an opportunity for smaller companies and startups to get press and buzz.

If you're selling direct, or if you have a handful of specialty domestic dealers, you don't need to go to NAMM at all.

If you're selling a boutique modular synthesizer re-issue, you could issue a press release on Muffs and ultimately reach 100% of your buying customers.

The strange thing is, the music easel could be sold though guitar center like the voyager is. It is a self-contained instrument. You can't sell a modular system though guitar center. Impossible to stock. That is why those moog filters are in lunchbox format. So they can sell though Guitar Center.

I think it is unlikely that guitar center would sell easels, I'm just pointing out that they _could_
Annwn
amnesia wrote:
construct09 wrote:
Hello BEMI

Australian distributor PLEASE! thumbs up


No doubt Awave will have them, they have the Skylab. And the boss of Awave is Lewis who is also a co owner of BEMI. SlayerBadger!


Woohoo!

Unfortunately I suspect it's unlikely they'll have any kicking around the shop when I head up to Melbs in early Feb. hihi
Scories
legionhwp wrote:
For curious sound explorers looking for a boutique high end instrument who have never player either Serge or Buchla the New Easel (especially with it's promising card interface additions) seems like a lot more for the money, a complete integrated system, and maybe even *gasp* more fun.

That said, the common sense in me has to say calling a $4k synth *affordable* still seems a bit arrogant. I made more music with my bugbrand WOM for $50 and used it live more than my Serge the last year I had it. No one needs any of these things, but hot damn the prospect of a new Easel for those that can afford it?

Morley wrote:
Scories wrote:
If this would have been released one year earlier, I would probably not have bought a Serge Animal in the first place.

And I don't understand why they have waited such a long time do produce an affordable self-contained playable modular again.


If you hook up a TKB to your animal you have a KILER synth. The Easel is a wonderful thing but very different. To have one would not exclude the other.


Yes, you heard me. I'm sure I was not the only one looking for a high-quality standalone complex electric sound generator to make sound art with. Wether it's Serge or Buchla, I don't care, as long as I don't have to spend a lifetime in collecting little modules and working 45 hours/week to afford them.
Norman_Phay
Do you know what would be great with this? If they optionally offered it in a wider case with room for a std width buchla module on either side of each panel. supply it w blank plates, you could add up to 4 modules to complement it at a later date. I'm sure I once saw a pic of a music easel configured in this was but google images is not throwing anything up.
tailwagger
Norman_Phay. - Here it is......

http://vimeo.com/17625077#
Votek_Mendo
No sonic state interview yet?
No detailed info or official speach from bemi?
Norman_Phay
Yes! That's it, thanks. I'm planning on dropping a deposit on one of these when I've been on this current job for a few more weeks, I would certainly pay a bit extra for that, although it's not a deal-breaker either way.
sempervirent
Edited in light of tailwagger's edit.
sempervirent
eben1000uk wrote:
i had another look at the easel today and can confirm that it has the same kind of power adaptor as on the 200e, so no transformers required for 240v users, which is good. the case lid currently does not come away from the case - but Jeff (who built this thing) said that there may be some changes made to the case in the final production run and they would consider this. although he pointed out that the original didn't remove either

it seems very unlikely that the 208e will be available as a module that will fit into a 201e case - its too deep and has the reverb tank and other stuff in the case that just is not compatible with the 201e cabinet


I don't really mind about the 208e not fitting into the 200e cabinet – it was probably a physical impossibility when you consider the spring reverb – but I wonder if they'll be selling it separately. I like the whole package, suitcase, keyboard, etc, but somehow I like the idea of having the 208e in a separate box for sequencing duties even more. And if the 208e ends up being around $2K then that's a lot of Buchla for the cost of a 2-space boat and a 259e/261e. You could even put the 208e in a suitcase with a 222e/223e and have a more "e"-style Easel.

It would definitely be a plus if there was a removable lid, but the piano hinge can somewhat easily be removed and replaced with detachable hinges. There are a few threads showing this exact mod on Halliburton Zero case (which is what the blue Easel cases were, not sure what brand they're using for this new one).
tailwagger
I've sent BEMI requests for a removable lid, banana jack (PSU or Music Easel) for grounding and a larger case option for fitting 2/4 modules with the Music Easel (ala Cortini video).
Enkidoo
dan_p wrote:
Enkidoo wrote:

To those in Europe complaining there is no distributor for Buchla in Europe, isn't the real question why we don't have any flagship synth companies like Buchla, STS or Moog? It's a lot more interesting


Lolhammer!

This is one of the most misinformed things I ever did read on Muffs.


Whatever. I threw a stone into the water and I got wet. Sometimes you capture a big fish, now all I caught was a douchebag.
Morley
tailwagger wrote:
Norman_Phay. - Here it is......

http://vimeo.com/17625077#


I still have one of those cases. It's what my (ex waah ) Easel came in along with other (ex waah ) modules..
analogueheart
[quote="vassili"]
chrisso wrote:

Congrats too all who have pre-ordered. Guinness ftw!



Thanks! 8_)[/quote
Thanks Rockin' Banana!
Plan B
With NAMM behind this, and a new Buchla Music Easel before us, I can now show something I have been working on for close to two years which is now pointless. The Voice - my offering of an Easel type instrument. Circuit board almost completed, even funds available for development. NO use now. Bummed, but strangely relieved at the same time.

L to R - panel 1:

Eight Step Milton Sequencer
Envelope Generator
Envelope Generator
VCO
VCO
Input Amp. Ring Modulator, Wave Splicer
Mixer, Low Pass Gate
Filter
Digital Verb
Panner
Output Controls

Panel 2:

Top: Three preset voltages, Leveler, Keybaord Controls, Std VCA
Touch sensitive keyboard

16 external inputs, iPad patachable

drewskee
I could not stop myself....I just ordered one. I figure it will be back ordered for a while anyway and once the word really gets around every rapper, techno dude and synth player will be on this regardless of the $4k price tag.

When you think about guys, the fact that this thing exists along with the new MS-20 (what a killer controller/ component for a Euro System), the Sub Phatty and the various controllers that are showing up with CV Outputs...anyone notice THIS = http://www.keithmcmillen.com/qunexus/overview and one can likely say we are seeing a Renaissance of electronic music.

Use OLD hard core folks (farts), me included who came up through the ranks will bitch and moan about how hard we worked, what we had to go through and suffer to get where we are today while young turks have it all too easy. I mean we all likely lusted after an Easel for what....30 years...I know I did. How positively disheartening it is that the new generation will be able to get one without all that angst...its dreadful!

hihi thumbs up waah woah d'oh! oops zombie very frustrating lol hyper
Slabwax
Does anyone have a guestimate what the size of the case that they are showing the Easel in is?

And regarding the extra sized case for more panels and removable lid. I'm sure you could have a custom ATA type case build to your spec. It does add more to the cost. I've had much larger cases made and it has never been much more than a few hundred dollars. And your instrument would be better protected. Just a thought.
jvt
Plan B wrote:
With NAMM behind this, and a new Buchla Music Easel before us, I can now show something I have been working on for close to two years which is now pointless. The Voice - my offering of an Easel type instrument. Circuit board almost completed, even funds available for development. NO use now. Bummed, but strangely relieved at the same time.

Neat, Peter! Personally, as a future Easel owner, I'd still love to have this. Even if it was part of a limited/custom run. Heck I could use that touch keyboard right freakin' now!
Shasta Cults
peter. your system looks great.. make it!

i built that zero case in the video for gino.. way back in like 2003 or so.. time flies
sascha.victoria
Peter,
You should make that synth. People will buy it. I hope you can pull it together.
exper
Peter, that's pretty cool. I say make it, especially if you can possibly beat the price!

The design looks great.
Morley
I'd go for Peter's design too...
hpsounds
Plan B wrote:
With NAMM behind this, and a new Buchla Music Easel before us, I can now show something I have been working on for close to two years which is now pointless. The Voice - my offering of an Easel type instrument. Circuit board almost completed, even funds available for development. NO use now. Bummed, but strangely relieved at the same time.

Peter,

Don't give up ! You should build it, especially if your target price is lower. Speaking for myself, I'm much more interested in your Buchla Music Easel interpretation than the new original one !

Make The Voice live ! hyper

Hédi K.
Kent
Morley wrote:
tailwagger wrote:
Norman_Phay. - Here it is......

http://vimeo.com/17625077#


I still have one of those cases. It's what my (ex waah ) Easel came in along with other (ex waah ) modules..


I like the addition of the Eardrill Pendulum/Ratchet in that Easel case.

SlayerBadger!
jonah
Seriously, thanks for telling me to look in the manual! I honestly did not expect the topic of meta-programming to be covered. I often feel like with modern synths, I get a "why would you want to do that" response from the developers, rather than a section in a manual! Only other music tool I know of that's explored this is Sonic Charge's permut8.

As an aside, my first exposure to "meta" was in Alan Moore and Grant Morrison comics as a kid and the word always makes me smile.

550b wrote:
ultrashock wrote:
.... I simply cannot imagine modern buchla-easel owner who will solder resistors on card for making own presets...


I'm *really* looking forward to this aspect, and am quite impressed they retained it. Part of the charm of the original: an ingenuous, fairly 'low-tech', and inexpensive way of storing presets. It sounds like there will be a Interface Card option for those uninterested in soldering, too - best of both worlds.
Yeah, the low tech, hands on aspect is really appealing to me. Physical, musical, programing! Plus, there are lots of affordable options of ordering custom PCBs today and that could lead to some novel creations too.

I was thinking that those magnetic snap together kid's toy circuits would be fun to integrate. Clip some leads onto the PCB and listen.

http://littlebits.cc

http://www.snapcircuits.net/products/product_details/snap_circuits&amp  ;reg;_extreme_750_experiments=MzYx
reignbear
sascha.victoria wrote:
Peter,
You should make that synth. People will buy it. I hope you can pull it together.

+1

interesting design that's similar, but has some features that set it apart and might be of more interest to some folk (8 stage seq, multimode(?) res filter...)
550b
subultresk wrote:
On the other hand i ask myself why BEMI was not prepared. Was it random? Do they not know that the first sale peak will happen at the beginning? Why do they disregard some of their own eMail-addresses? Why don't they hire a cheap student for answering the Easel-mails?


FWIW, I've had more concise communication with Laurie at BEMI than I ever did with anyone at B&A. Almost all of my emails have been answered within the same day, and always by the next day. Placing an order is fast and easy, and invoices are sent promptly. No disrespect to the hard-working folks at B&A, of course - it was always just a little more 'mysterious'....

I'm guessing the run of Easel orders took them by surprise, but based on the number of people in this thread that have already placed orders, they're getting through them.
Votek_Mendo
Awesome Peter, Make it!!!!!
mouldi101
Peter, that does look awesome.

If nothing else, you could certainly port the touch keyboard, and various other aspects to separate units and sell well, particularly in euro
Yohda
Yes nice design peter !

I hope to see it in the future
Votek_Mendo
o More easel pictures...
http://icon.jp/archives/4545
itijik
exper wrote:
Peter, that's pretty cool. I say make it, especially if you can possibly beat the price!

I'm pretty sure he could beat the price (hides)
Rod Serling Fan Club
Talk me down.

I'm really considering sending the down payment but have some lingering doubts. Reading about the shoddy cables BEMI has sent out combined with some of the lack of attention to details has me a little bit concerned.
microfauna
Plan B wrote:


L to R - panel 1:

Eight Step Milton Sequencer
Envelope Generator
Envelope Generator
VCO
VCO
Input Amp. Ring Modulator, Wave Splicer
Mixer, Low Pass Gate
Filter
Digital Verb
Panner
Output Controls

Panel 2:

Top: Three preset voltages, Leveler, Keybaord Controls, Std VCA
Touch sensitive keyboard

16 external inputs, iPad patachable



Good selection of elements, though I think separate voltage control for Rise and FAll and AD/ASR selection for at least one Envelope is more essential than the Digital Verb.
Plan B
Thanks everyone for the kind words. While I realize this instrument was Don's to release - no argument there whatsoever..... thinking of scrapping something I lived and breathed for over a year was a bit like getting a wedgey while hung over the cliff by it with the gravity equal or greater than that of Jupiter.

Kent: question: Your profile photo is fantastic. Do you have any idea what the f that gizmo was designed for?
subultresk
550b wrote:
subultresk wrote:
On the other hand i ask myself why BEMI was not prepared. Was it random? Do they not know that the first sale peak will happen at the beginning? Why do they disregard some of their own eMail-addresses? Why don't they hire a cheap student for answering the Easel-mails?


FWIW, I've had more concise communication with Laurie at BEMI than I ever did with anyone at B&A. Almost all of my emails have been answered within the same day, and always by the next day. Placing an order is fast and easy, and invoices are sent promptly. No disrespect to the hard-working folks at B&A, of course - it was always just a little more 'mysterious'....

I'm guessing the run of Easel orders took them by surprise, but based on the number of people in this thread that have already placed orders, they're getting through them.


There is no disrespect on my side and i strongly believe only people that mailed to purchase@ received answers so far. The address BEMI offers on their website is sales@. It doesn't say anything about likable or unlikable employees.

If a company decides to go to Namm or Frankfurt Messe i don't understand why they do not prepare. It's just that. And it also doesn't make products cheaper. As a potential customer it also gives me a taste of what might happen when i am e.g. in trouble...

I made some communication experiences last year and that was not as good as you've described it above. And always different mail addresses.

This thread is not as big as some might think. Every little company could prepare better "reaction"-models. As a positive estimation i would say 400-1500 pre-orders (very optimistic) and between 1000 and 5000 emails. If i am prepared to deal with that number i can easily deal with higher demands.

About 30 Easel were built long, long ago and they are still very, very sought after! The companies name is Buchla -
i think the only surprise when re-releasing an Easel could have been no reaction.

My email is more than 3 days old now - without answer - but i used the sales address, not the purchase-address. I did it because i wanted to know if the mail chaos is getting better. It seems not. I am not in a hurry and i don't feel ignored - i just observe what's going on.

From my knowledge it's never the instrument but always the player.

@ Peter
That looks awesome and deserves it's own topic, please! (but where?) wink
equalpyramid
I agree!

Same is happening to me... sales@ email on thursday, still no answer. Not a huge deal, but definitely weird there's no standard copy-and-paste email to facilitate demand and/or a web release on thursday with some specs and demos. Btw, I think it would make a ton of sense for every music manufacturer to sort out some demos themselves before even showing the gear. This NAMM has left us with a bunch of picks of potentially really interesting instruments, but no sound?!? I have some faith it'll sound great (same with all other NAMM offerings), but it's an oversight I simply don't understand.
seancostello
equalpyramid wrote:

Same is happening to me... sales@ email on thursday, still no answer. Not a huge deal, but definitely weird there's no standard copy-and-paste email to facilitate demand and/or a web release on thursday with some specs and demos.


Well, the Buchla employees have probably been at NAMM. I've worked the floor on various conferences before (not NAMM, but AES and other audio ones), and things are CRAZY BUSY. You need to ship everything in there and set up the booths, figure out the power connections, talk until your throat is sore for several days straight, go to the "social" events afterwards that are pretty much entirely business related, then pack everything out and try to make your flight home (or drive the 8 hours back to the Bay Area).

Things that are in short supply at such conferences:

- Sleep
- Health
- Internet connectivity.

The last one is probably the best explanation for the lack of email responses. Put a few tens of thousands of people into a concrete building, all trying to get online or use their cell phone, and the result is any and all wireless connections slowing down to a crawl. Assuming that the Buchla folks even had any time during the conference to look at emails.

Sean Costello
theglyph
What happens if BEMI starts production and they discover/realize that the $4K price point doesn't cover the costs. I've read that they assume this price which is fine but they are taking deposits on the $4K price under assumption.

I certainly hope this is the final price because this is fucking fantastic and a great piece of gear and history. Don is a legend and deserves, IMO, a place alongside Dr. Moog in the history of synthesizers in the larger picture.
theglyph
I should say that Don is a legend alongside Dr. Moog but I hope more people become aware of this!
Lama
Don´t think this has been posted here? Quite an interesting interview about the Easel.

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2013/01/27/wnamm13-buchla-music-easel-r emake/
numan7
hmmm..... i think that "music easel" should be a generic instrument, or category of instrument, like "guitar", "piano", "drum", "mono-synth", "modular syntheszer", etc.

smile that way, there could be buchla music easels (the original and re-issue models), planb music easels, wiard music easels, romanf music weasels, etc!

thumbs up after all, it would be kind of weird if there had only ever been stradvarius violins and no other make, imho.

cheers
thesnow
No SOA?
subultresk
Lama wrote:
Don´t think this has been posted here? Quite an interesting interview about the Easel.

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2013/01/27/wnamm13-buchla-music-easel-r emake/



That's great. All questions answered - nice burble in the background instead of guitars. Cool!

applause
Matos
That was a great interview. Seems like this is the litmus test for a buchla revolution.
science
Tried to place an order right when news showed up - haven't received a response from anyone yet. Might just wait and buy one used at this point, since I'm sure I'm looking at being pretty far back in line by now.
jvt
For the record, I sent my request to info@buchla.com on Friday morning and got a response back from purchasing@buchla.com by Friday afternoon. But I think there is only one person there, so they're likely struggling to keep up until everyone is back.
dopefiend
theglyph wrote:
What happens if BEMI starts production and they discover/realize that the $4K price point doesn't cover the costs. I've read that they assume this price which is fine but they are taking deposits on the $4K price under assumption.

I certainly hope this is the final price because this is fucking fantastic and a great piece of gear and history. Don is a legend and deserves, IMO, a place alongside Dr. Moog in the history of synthesizers in the larger picture.


Well, I was thinking about this issue today, too. The question is: is $4k gonna make it a profitable item for BEMI? Let's see: the 208 contains 2 oscillators, a small sequencer, one AR EG, one LPG and a spring reverb. Would an equivalent system made up of Euro modules cost $2K? I doubt it. More like, maybe, $1200...? And as for the 218? Whaddya think?

I honestly think they will definitely cut a profit at this price. And, because it is proportionately much cheaper than the equivalent sum of its stock 200e components we, the consumers, will snag'em off the shelves, they will sell hundreds of them and the company will see a healthy stage of financial growth. I'm sure that the idea to bring the Easel back was not Don's but the BEMI stockholders. They knew that the company needed to have a compact, less-expensive product that would be self-contained and fully integrated and would cost less than the most basic of 200e systems. Really smart move, I think.
Bob Moog resurrected his company by selling Minimoogs, not Moog 55 systems or Memorymoogs...
science
jvt wrote:
For the record, I sent my request to info@buchla.com on Friday morning and got a response back from purchasing@buchla.com by Friday afternoon. But I think there is only one person there, so they're likely struggling to keep up until everyone is back.

I wasn't sure which address to use, but assumed sales@buchla.com would be the best one - looks like that was a mistake.
megamaeng
Lama wrote:
Don´t think this has been posted here? Quite an interesting interview about the Easel.

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2013/01/27/wnamm13-buchla-music-easel-r emake/


I didn't know Curt Schilling was into synths! Go Sox!
MN3005
science wrote:

I wasn't sure which address to use, but assumed sales@buchla.com would be the best one - looks like that was a mistake.


I assumed the same BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS ON THEIR WEBSITE. I sent an email thursday morning, I STILL haven't got a response, and even though my email was one of the first, assuming they ever respond to me i would be WAY down the list. very frustrating
science
Oh well - I'm sure the number of these that will end up in confused hands will lead to healthy second hand discounts thumbs up
exeterdown
dopefiend wrote:
theglyph wrote:
What happens if BEMI starts production and they discover/realize that the $4K price point doesn't cover the costs. I've read that they assume this price which is fine but they are taking deposits on the $4K price under assumption.

I certainly hope this is the final price because this is fucking fantastic and a great piece of gear and history. Don is a legend and deserves, IMO, a place alongside Dr. Moog in the history of synthesizers in the larger picture.


Well, I was thinking about this issue today, too. The question is: is $4k gonna make it a profitable item for BEMI? Let's see: the 208 contains 2 oscillators, a small sequencer, one AR EG, one LPG and a spring reverb. Would an equivalent system made up of Euro modules cost $2K? I doubt it. More like, maybe, $1200...? And as for the 218? Whaddya think?

I honestly think they will definitely cut a profit at this price. And, because it is proportionately much cheaper than the equivalent sum of its stock 200e components we, the consumers, will snag'em off the shelves, they will sell hundreds of them and the company will see a healthy stage of financial growth. I'm sure that the idea to bring the Easel back was not Don's but the BEMI stockholders. They knew that the company needed to have a compact, less-expensive product that would be self-contained and fully integrated and would cost less than the most basic of 200e systems. Really smart move, I think.
Bob Moog resurrected his company by selling Minimoogs, not Moog 55 systems or Memorymoogs...


Then what follows would be - what wonders lay beyond the financial growth?
Junk Rhythm
science wrote:
Oh well - I'm sure the number of these that will end up in confused hands will lead to healthy second hand discounts thumbs up


nanners
Plan B
Don isn't about to release a product that doesn't make a profit, but it can be had in various ways. Make a lot, sell few or make less, sell a lot and at this price point you know how he positioned this one. It's an EXCELLENT strategy, but I seriously feel for the ppl owning one of the originals bought in recent years who paid four times this price. THAT is a serious drag.[/quote]
Shasta Cults
Quote:
I seriously feel for the ppl owning one of the originals bought in recent years who paid four times this price. THAT is a serious drag.


the new easel will never be a vintage easel any more than a new chinese made strat is a 1961 original.

I don't expect the new product will effect the value or desirability of the old one in any way except to maybe solidify its icon status and make them even more desirable to collectors. Musicians will buy a reissue and be just as happy i assure you.. serious collectors will demand the original

i want both!
chrisso
^^Agree^^
It remains to be seen, but 200e hasn't damaged 200 values.
Plan B
I am especially glad to see him pass the design torch for a new generation. This points to something I wasn't sure Don cared about... the continued legacy. He's a very humble guy, let me give you an example.

I was fortunate to be asked to do the first demos of the 200e at the first NAMM the year they were released, and this consisted of going up to Berkeley for a week to get acquainted with the box. On the Saturday evening up there, we went to Alameda to see his g/f perform with a jazz quartet and after the show had dinner with the players. One of them asked Don what he did for work. His reply floored me. He said 'I am a musical instrument designer. I used to work with glass, then metals, and now i work with electronics."

That was it. I was extremely impressed by that answer.
Shasta Cults
don can be very modest.. and sometimes.. not

good for him haha
dopefiend
Quote: >>>Then what follows would be - what wonders lay beyond the financial growth?[/quote]

Good question. Maybe a polyphonic patchable system with a touch-plate keyboard that one can also play by a sideways slide (X axis) for pitch-bending like the Haken Continuum hyper w00t!!

As for the people that have payed up to $25,000 for an original Easel....I really find it difficult to feel sorry for them. They wanted to belong to the Fraternity of The Few, The Proud..... and were willing to pay the hefty admission price. woah
What's undeniable is that the Buchla went from being an almost-mythical, ethereal machine almost as elusive as the Lochness Monster which many of us could only dream of seeing in the real, let alone own, to something as accessible as a Minimoog Voyager. And I'm sure that this single fact may actually have caused some disillusion is many an aspiring owner.

Switching gears: I wish the Easel had patch points for the audio segment of the oscillators and the filters. It'd be awesome to to wedge in, say, a 291 in between the oscillator and the LPG. Bummer....[/quote]
moylando
dopefiend wrote:

Switching gears: I wish the Easel had patch points for the audio segment of the oscillators and the filters. It'd be awesome to to wedge in, say, a 291 in between the oscillator and the LPG. Bummer....


That's the good part of a non-vintage Easel. Who would dare drill a hole in a vintage one? Certainly on the new one an insert type jack (or a few) could be added to do exactly that: send the main osc out and then return to LPG in.
Shasta Cults
you can do bandpass filtering on the 208 with the 2 LPGs in Filter mode in series... i'll post some clips.. was playing with this earlier today
Peake
Plan B wrote:
I am especially glad to see him pass the design torch for a new generation. This points to something I wasn't sure Don cared about... the continued legacy. He's a very humble guy, let me give you an example.

I was fortunate to be asked to do the first demos of the 200e at the first NAMM the year they were released, and this consisted of going up to Berkeley for a week to get acquainted with the box. On the Saturday evening up there, we went to Alameda to see his g/f perform with a jazz quartet and after the show had dinner with the players. One of them asked Don what he did for work. His reply floored me. He said 'I am a musical instrument designer. I used to work with glass, then metals, and now i work with electronics."

That was it. I was extremely impressed by that answer.


"Looking through a glass Buchla..."

WANT TO SEE AND OWN A GLASS BUCHLA MUSICAL INSTRUMENT

cry cry cry
chrisso
dopefiend wrote:

As for the people that have payed up to $25,000 for an original Easel....I really find it difficult to feel sorry for them. They wanted to belong to the Fraternity of The Few, The Proud..... and were willing to pay the hefty admission price.


Or maybe they just wanted a portable synth with that feature set.
companyofquail
moylando wrote:
dopefiend wrote:

Switching gears: I wish the Easel had patch points for the audio segment of the oscillators and the filters. It'd be awesome to to wedge in, say, a 291 in between the oscillator and the LPG. Bummer....


That's the good part of a non-vintage Easel. Who would dare drill a hole in a vintage one? Certainly on the new one an insert type jack (or a few) could be added to do exactly that: send the main osc out and then return to LPG in.


wonder if there are any audio points on the card.
Shasta Cults
no audio points.. on the card

glass buchla:

subultresk
W O W

love
pickleinn
Deposit made...... I tried to resist,but Buchla called me back
felixer
from the namm video: 'Since SM Pro Audio put together an acquisition of Buchla ...'
so those guys are the new owners? had one of their preamps once. piece-of-shit: noisy, not very responsive, broke within a year ...
seems like don sold-out. this reissue was most definetly not his idea: he said several times he was not interested in any sort of 'vintage hailing' ... i smell corporate greed ...


dopefiend wrote:
The question is: is $4k gonna make it a profitable item for BEMI? Let's see: the 208 contains 2 oscillators, a small sequencer, one AR EG, one LPG and a spring reverb. Would an equivalent system made up of Euro modules cost $2K? I doubt it. More like, maybe, $1200...? And as for the 218? Whaddya think?

I honestly think they will definitely cut a profit at this price.

you're saying the buchla is overpriced? (hides)
construct09
Yeah...sure they did lol


congrats razz

edit: response to pickleins post
FoxtoneMusic
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noobyscooby
Lower price, lower deposit, quicker dates?

Uh oh this place is going to melt down in 3, 2, 1...
megamaeng
noobyscooby wrote:
Uh oh this place is going to melt down in 3, 2, 1...


(hides)
exper
applause
noobyscooby wrote:
Uh oh this place is going to melt down in 3, 2, 1...
moylando
FoxtoneMusic wrote:
$3995 from buchla / $3699 from us!


Yeah, in the recent video posted the engineer specifically said $3999 _MSRP_, which made me immediately think there might be a cheaper street price. Don't know how many Buchla dealers there are out there, but always pays to shop around.
Rod Serling Fan Club
Huh? Why would anyone buy directly from buchla if this is the case?
djangosfire
From my email pre-order w/ BEMI on Jan 25th:

Quote:
The projected price is $3999. (if it goes down we will adjust your
invoice).


It will be fine Guinness ftw!
noobyscooby
Price i think is more negotiable at this stage its more the lower deposit and promised bump up for paid in full instruments that id be pissed about. Or were you guys already told that?
SunSpots
Woah this thread is going cray
nathanxl
felixer wrote:
seems like don sold-out. this reissue was most definetly not his idea: he said several times he was not interested in any sort of 'vintage hailing' ... i smell corporate greed ...


Welcome to the new millennium where business ethics and Modular Synth manufacture fight it out... Which side are you on? hihi
introvert
Man, I'm freaking out over this beast. I'm just looking at things to sell to make enough money for the down payment. I don't want to be to far down on the pre-order list. Glad I'm not alone on this hyper

I really can't express how excited I am about this new/old machine!
chrisso
Business ethics?
Corporate greed?

It's just a $4k synth. Something a bunch of musicians seem to be excited about.
If you don't like it, don't buy it - simple as that.
(for the record it looks nice, but I wont be buying it)
nathanxl
For the record: I love it and may buy one myself...
It was just a humorous observation as to the way markets can (and do) go the bigger they get!
FoxtoneMusic
chrisso wrote:


It's just a $4k synth. Something a bunch of musicians seem to be excited about.
If you don't like it, don't buy it - simple as that.


Hear Hear!
introvert
Yeah, I mean, the synth is $400 more expensive than my nearly mint condition 1992 Corrado SLC was 2 years ago, but it looks just as beautiful. I feel foolish dropping nearly a grand more than an S1 as well... But damn... I am in love with this synth and I have never even put my hands on one. MIT just seems like it would be such an inspirational machine to work on love
exper
Seeing that someone will actually (gasp) stock Music Easels is a good sign. I think I'll wait a while and save. No need to sell what I already have and love. At least not until the incredible recordings of it start to flood the forum. wink

Perhaps by then some will hit the BST.

"PMed for Easel!"
FoxtoneMusic
We definitely plan on having them available in store once all the initial batches of "pre-orders" are handled....but who the hell knows how many pre-orders Buchla/Foxtone/others have taken before there will be regular stock on hand! Hopefully everything will go smooth and people will get theirs in just a few months. Those guys really seemed to have their shit together when we talked at the show, so I think people will be happy.
ws9848
I will be making a down payment on one. maybe I will wait and see if foxtone really starts taking pre orders. However, I played with it at Namm only for a few minutes. I was told it was not 100% funtional but it was fun to play with even though I am not really familiar with buchla stuff. I am one of those euro guys who can't afford a full blown system but I can afford one of these so I'm just gonna do it and it's gonna be awesome!
sascha.victoria
Rod Serling Fan Club wrote:
Talk me down.

I'm really considering sending the down payment but have some lingering doubts. Reading about the shoddy cables BEMI has sent out combined with some of the lack of attention to details has me a little bit concerned.


I'm going to wait. I've been on the less then awesome experience of preordering equipment before and I don't want to go down that road again. Once Buchla delivers a fully functional synth that a few of you guinea pigs try out I will start thinking about getting in line. Until then, I have plenty of toys to keep me busy.

I really do hope Buchla can pull this together, make it more awesome then everyone hopes it is, and possibly even cheaper! nanners
construct09
Yeah
I can wait for 'audio' and feedback from my esteemed wigglers we're not worthy
gwaidan
nathanxl wrote:
felixer wrote:
seems like don sold-out. this reissue was most definetly not his idea: he said several times he was not interested in any sort of 'vintage hailing' ... i smell corporate greed ...


Welcome to the new millennium where business ethics and Modular Synth manufacture fight it out... Which side are you on? hihi


3 days ago people were expecting this to cost $10k, and now people are bitching about it being an example of corporate greed at $4k, and comparing its price unfavourably to a (hypothetical) system built from Euro modules which have probably ripped off Don's designs? d'oh!
Peake
I might even dare set foot again in a Guitar Center just to get a "yes" reply to the question of the century: "Do you have any Buchla Music Easels in stock?"
dkcg
Peake wrote:
I might even dare set foot again in a Guitar Center just to get a "yes" reply to the question of the century: "Do you have any Buchla Music Easels in stock?"


I'll join you on my flying pig. lol

I don't see any of the big chains stocking it, but could see them having it in their catalog as a by order only item (like the rest of their high end gear that they "sell") so they can claim they are an instrument shop and not just a dealer of the latest DJ interface and popular trends.

But if they do his the shelves of the big chains...I'll be watching craigslist the following month.
Peake
smile
consumed
hoo-boy! and let there be fire sales in BST Dead Banana

oh, and we set records on the forum this "weekend"

introvert
So as a hopeful future owner of a new Easel, does anyone have any information on how well the touch keys could potentially hold up? Or how well the originals held up? I mean, I obviously wouldn't be abusing it or anything and I would keep it covered when it was not in use... but as much as i love that style of keys, they do scare me a little bit.

I've owned 2 Moog sources over the years and never had any problems with the pressure buttons on them, but I seem to fall into the minority on this.

If the keys begin to wear, are they serviceable?

Sorry, I just plan on using mine nearly every day for years...

Thanks!
REwire
I walked up to the Easel at NAMM and put on the headphones. The gate was being auto triggered by the mod osc. I tried every switch but couldn't figure out how to turn it off. The touch plates were changing the pitch and my eyes locked on to the slider marked Timbre. At the thought of hearing my old 259 again I slid it up......hmmmm. not much changed. a little more angular sounding but not that growl. Possibly the waveform I was acting on was not the sine or tri so the timbre may not have been able to affect it much. I wasn't sure what else I could do, there wasn't a filter to play with so I just made the bleeping faster or slower and played up and down the touch pad.

I'm sure an expert could coax something amazing out of it and probably get the requisite bongos out of it by shortening the envs and assigning the Y part of the plates to some cool parameter but I will wait to hear some great demos before considering it.

But, the Reverb was awesome! Shades of Synthi!

Dan
chrisso
I've got a pretty old 216.
Use it a lot, most days. Works perfectly. Actually much better than the touch pads on a Rene I just sold.
introvert
Awesome! thanks Chrisso, that's what I like to hear. I use 2 Rene's so Imelda really familiar with their feel... And better is great! thumbs up
Morley
Yes, all the touchpads that i have had (300 and 200 series) were in great condition and remained in great condition. Not an issue on those anyway.
Lyonel
Location would have been awesome on those long keys.
amnesia
Now if we can get an Animal and TKB for $4k, an EMS Synthi for $4k and a 2600 for $4k
abendrot
I am wondering if the case will be available seperatly.
I think a lot of people would like to fill it with 200e modules.
Or think about the 208e and instead of the keyboard add some
200e modules. Oh and I changed my mind I think I definitely
need one. It's a bummer that the 208e won't fit in other cabinets
but ok life is not perfect.

I hope the case will be blue like the original that would be nice.
And the original font on the keyboard would also be nice.
darenager
Isn't that kind of defeating the object of the Easel though? I thought the idea was a portable self contained instrument, with fixed limitations, else you would be better off just buying a modular system in the first place.
abendrot
Yes it wouldn't be an Easel than but why make the 208e and 218e as
modules in the first place if you can't put them anywhere else.
Than just one big panel would do just fine. Like the arp 2600
or the Minimoog. But the 208e is a module that you can't use
anywhere else. And I stated before I think this is a bad decision.
franzschuier
Lyonel wrote:
Location would have been awesome on those long keys.

Yep.. Thats exactly what I though... BUT then it would have been a lot more expensive.
MechaSeb
franzschuier wrote:
Lyonel wrote:
Location would have been awesome on those long keys.

Yep.. Thats exactly what I though... BUT then it would have been a lot more expensive.


Yep, was really expecting location myself too.
Not a deal-breaker point though.
momo
abendrot wrote:
Yes it wouldn't be an Easel than but why make the 208e and 218e as
modules in the first place if you can't put them anywhere else.
Than just one big panel would do just fine. Like the arp 2600
or the Minimoog. But the 208e is a module that you can't use
anywhere else. And I stated before I think this is a bad decision.


As far as my poor eyesight allows, the 208 is not an 'e' module; I figured as much as soon as I saw mechanical toggle switches in place of the coloured round push buttons on the 'e' modules that we are all used to on the e series (of course, allowing for presets). Interesting that the 218 is an 'e' module; I guess this ties in with the fact that the in development new website seemed to indicate that the brain / tactile surface of the 222/3e was to be available separately; I suspect a firmware update to the 222/3e will allow for it to communicate with either the 'eagle' tactile surface we all know or the 218e. Interesting and nice, if true.

I think it is fair enough if you think the re-released Easel's inability to fit into an 'e' series cabinet is shortsighted on BEMI's part; I think they're trying to keep the systems distict, and at the least I think it's nice that it might be possible to add it to a vintage / clone 200 series system.
sascha.victoria
The 208e is definitely 'e' as it said it on the device. I would go as far as saying with the preset card it will be far more 'e' then the 200e as you will be able to control all parameters and more via an app.
Guidotoons
The bitching, whining and "what-iffing" going on in this thread is priceless!

The "they should have done this", or "I wanted this" or "why did they do that?" stuff is mind boggling.

They're re-issuing a classic!!! Ain't THAT enough?!?!?!?!?!?!

Who doesn't want synth manufacturers to reissue ALL the old classics?

But they have not. We all got a stiffie when Moog was going to release the Minimoog Voyager and found a brand new synth and not the old Mini.

A lot of us older guys were pissed and the younger guys were happy as hell.

I think it's really great they are responding to the demand. I am hoping the new Easel is everything the old one was and more, and I'm just happy they're doing this.

I wouldn't pretend to try and tell anyone how to run their business, especially these days.

Why? Because it seems that it's impossible to make everyone happy.

So just be happy they're doing this and let's leave it at that, shall we?
phutureboy
rick wrote:
Quote:
I seriously feel for the ppl owning one of the originals bought in recent years who paid four times this price. THAT is a serious drag.


the new easel will never be a vintage easel any more than a new chinese made strat is a 1961 original.

I don't expect the new product will effect the value or desirability of the old one in any way except to maybe solidify its icon status and make them even more desirable to collectors. Musicians will buy a reissue and be just as happy i assure you.. serious collectors will demand the original

i want both!


I agree with Rick's point, but comparing the BME MKII to a new chinese made strat might be a bit far off...
phutureboy
chrisso wrote:
It's sad when music makers get so worked up by colour schemes and graphics.


Well I would love to get those bright blue and bright orange knobs at the right intead of the rather dull black blue ones they chose.

Tweaking an orange knob is definitely a great source of inspiration...
amnesia
I intend to replace the knobs with Rogans :-)
FoxtoneMusic
The guys at Buchla did say the ones shown at NAMM weren't the final versions esthetically. The case will be different (removable lid), maybe different knobs, rounding off the the slits for the sliders on the inside. Part of showing it off was to get some feedback. Alessandro Cortini was definitely pushing them for more original looking knobs when they go into production. It's gonna kick ass either way!
phutureboy
amnesia wrote:
I intend to replace the knobs with Rogans :-)


Would you have a specific reference to point me at ?
amnesia
phutureboy wrote:
amnesia wrote:
I intend to replace the knobs with Rogans :-)


Would you have a specific reference to point me at ?


Not sure what you mean. I just looked at the original Easel and new I had Rogans here waiting :-)
amnesia
Removable lid is a must. I can see myself with easel infront of my 24wls.
phutureboy
amnesia wrote:
Not sure what you mean.


Maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying, I thought you knew where to buy those bright coloured Buchla knobs in case they are not present on the MKII and was asking for a link to the online page where I could buy some myself to replace the duller looking ones...
captnapalm
phutureboy wrote:
amnesia wrote:
Not sure what you mean.


Maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying, I thought you knew where to buy those bright coloured Buchla knobs in case they are not present on the MKII and was asking for a link to the online page where I could buy some myself to replace the duller looking ones...


The Rogan knobs are still produced, but only with large quantity minimums (1000 per type I believe). Somebody on Muff's does a group buy every so often.

Also, what's with everybody referring to the new Easel as MKII already? Has BEMI dubbed it that?
phutureboy
captnapalm wrote:
Also, what's with everybody referring to the new Easel as MKII already? Has BEMI dubbed it that?


Not that I know, but isn't it precisely that ?
tragedybysyntax
I've always wanted one of these... and I'm actually SERIOUSLY dumping my bugbrand system to find this. I have a pretty gnarly DIY that I've been working on for years and I think the focused limitations will let me explore more with this easel... and then patch into my DIY at will. We'll see but I'm 80% sure on this notion.
amnesia
phutureboy wrote:
amnesia wrote:
Not sure what you mean.


Maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying, I thought you knew where to buy those bright coloured Buchla knobs in case they are not present on the MKII and was asking for a link to the online page where I could buy some myself to replace the duller looking ones...


Xpander has done a Rogan group buy in the past. See DIY
That is why my Buchla looks great!
phutureboy
amnesia wrote:
That is why my Buchla looks great!


Looks beautiful !
moylando
REwire wrote:
I walked up to the Easel at NAMM and put on the headphones. The gate was being auto triggered by the mod osc. I tried every switch but couldn't figure out how to turn it off. The touch plates were changing the pitch and my eyes locked on to the slider marked Timbre. At the thought of hearing my old 259 again I slid it up......hmmmm. not much changed. a little more angular sounding but not that growl. Possibly the waveform I was acting on was not the sine or tri so the timbre may not have been able to affect it much.


IIRC, the waveshaper only works on the sine wave. So, you'll only hear the waveshaper effects it if the wave mix knob is towards counter clockwise. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. As for the triggering I think you'd need to pull a banana cable.
captnapalm
moylando wrote:
REwire wrote:
I walked up to the Easel at NAMM and put on the headphones. The gate was being auto triggered by the mod osc. I tried every switch but couldn't figure out how to turn it off. The touch plates were changing the pitch and my eyes locked on to the slider marked Timbre. At the thought of hearing my old 259 again I slid it up......hmmmm. not much changed. a little more angular sounding but not that growl. Possibly the waveform I was acting on was not the sine or tri so the timbre may not have been able to affect it much.


IIRC, the waveshaper only works on the sine wave. So, you'll only hear the waveshaper effects it if the wave mix knob is towards counter clockwise. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. As for the triggering I think you'd need to pull a banana cable.


FWIW I've heard from multiple sources that the prototypes at NAMM weren't working very well in general.
sempervirent
FoxtoneMusic wrote:
The guys at Buchla did say the ones shown at NAMM weren't the final versions esthetically. The case will be different (removable lid), maybe different knobs, rounding off the the slits for the sliders on the inside. Part of showing it off was to get some feedback.


Thanks for this info, it settles a few questions. Since you're a distributor, be sure to share the feedback from this thread re: typography, logo, case colors. Even having the Rogan knobs from the original (as mentioned earlier) would be a nice touch.

abendrot wrote:
And the original font on the keyboard would also be nice.


Have to point out that the guy from BEMI in the Sonicstate video was wearing a t-shirt with the old logo. "Yeah, that's not the one we actually sell..."
triplizard
So I've gone through most of the 25 pages of this thread and done quite a bit of Internet searching and haven't really found a lot of specific details. I asked Buchla directly and they said more official details would be forthcoming, but I'm wondering if anybody can point me to a summary of "all we know" at this point about it (if such a thing exists)?

I'm 99% of the way to pre-ordering, but I got a little scared when I saw the comments about the prototype at NAMM not working very well.
snufkin
Guidotoons wrote:
The bitching, whining and "what-iffing" going on in this thread is priceless!

The "they should have done this", or "I wanted this" or "why did they do that?" stuff is mind boggling.

They're re-issuing a classic!!! Ain't THAT enough?!?!?!?!?!?!

Who doesn't want synth manufacturers to reissue ALL the old classics?

But they have not. We all got a stiffie when Moog was going to release the Minimoog Voyager and found a brand new synth and not the old Mini.

A lot of us older guys were pissed and the younger guys were happy as hell.

I think it's really great they are responding to the demand. I am hoping the new Easel is everything the old one was and more, and I'm just happy they're doing this.

I wouldn't pretend to try and tell anyone how to run their business, especially these days.

Why? Because it seems that it's impossible to make everyone happy.

So just be happy they're doing this and let's leave it at that, shall we?

most people who have raised some form of criticism here have only said "hey that's cool, I like Buchla designs, yes the easel is a classic configuration, however we are more interested in where this might lead in terms of new instruments and designs"

remember when some of Buchla's customers for the original would have bought it precisely because it was at the top of the synth pile in-terms of innovation

I would love to own one, (and maybe will as portable live systems are my main interest) and I love the sound of the easel, but I would rather see a newer design by Don after this gains a footing

isn't discussion about products and improvements half the reason these forums exist?
captnapalm
phutureboy wrote:
captnapalm wrote:
Also, what's with everybody referring to the new Easel as MKII already? Has BEMI dubbed it that?


Not that I know, but isn't it precisely that ?


Well, I know of three revs of the original Easel already (prototype, early schematics, late schematics). I just wondered if this was a BEMI nomenclature or something people were presumptively calling it here.
Phalanxe
Anyone know how many of the standard (not apple/wifi/osc) programming cards come with it?
subultresk
_ error \ missed "not"

dizzy
Phalanxe
subultresk wrote:
Phalanxe wrote:
Anyone know how many of the standard (not apple/wifi/osc) programming cards come with it?


None - it will be an extra for "under 500"....

It's peanut butter jelly time!


You sure? I thought that was for the ipad interface cards..
magneticweb
Junk Rhythm wrote:
science wrote:
Oh well - I'm sure the number of these that will end up in confused hands will lead to healthy second hand discounts thumbs up


nanners


thats what im talkin' bout
Morley
Phalanxe wrote:
Anyone know how many of the standard (not apple/wifi/osc) programming cards come with it?


4
Phalanxe
Morley wrote:
Phalanxe wrote:
Anyone know how many of the standard (not apple/wifi/osc) programming cards come with it?


4


Sweet, thanks.
abendrot
sempervirent wrote:
FoxtoneMusic wrote:
The guys at Buchla did say the ones shown at NAMM weren't the final versions esthetically. The case will be different (removable lid), maybe different knobs, rounding off the the slits for the sliders on the inside. Part of showing it off was to get some feedback.


Thanks for this info, it settles a few questions. Since you're a distributor, be sure to share the feedback from this thread re: typography, logo, case colors. Even having the Rogan knobs from the original (as mentioned earlier) would be a nice touch.

abendrot wrote:
And the original font on the keyboard would also be nice.


Have to point out that the guy from BEMI in the Sonicstate video was wearing a t-shirt with the old logo. "Yeah, that's not the one we actually sell..."


+ 1 for the original Rogan knobs or make it so they will fit like on the
297 where there is enough room for them that would be nice and could
be done easily.
jonah
nathanxl wrote:
felixer wrote:
seems like don sold-out. this reissue was most definetly not his idea: he said several times he was not interested in any sort of 'vintage hailing' ... i smell corporate greed ...


Welcome to the new millennium where business ethics and Modular Synth manufacture fight it out... Which side are you on? hihi


Or it's a knife in the heart of the used, collector/speculator market from which Buchla sees no money and doesn't help to fund future products.

Maybe he's sick of people riffing of his ideas, without innovating much beyond that?

Who knows, maybe with the development of tablet and laptop computers he has a renewed interest in working on portable, self contained instruments and this is the start of a whole line of different easels?

With the Bluetooth and OSC there are some very, very cool possibilities for playing with other musicians! That alone takes it out of vintage. If the bluetooth can be used to manage presets, and the presets can change the sound on the fly....

Way to be half empty. meh lol

Personally, I like to buy new and direct if I can afford it because it means more money goes to the creators whom I feel not only deserve it, but it supports future development. As a bonus, it helps them offer lower prices through retail so people that couldn't afford it otherwise might be able to.
FoxtoneMusic
Just talked to Buchla. The official word is first-come-first-served....so congrats to those lucky bastards who got their deposits in to Buchla Thurs-Sun! Now it's just get in line asap going direct or with one your favorite Buchla dealers
xpander
the knobs will definitely be taken care of, regardless of whether or not Buchla offers them.

vegas7188
Hi there, not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but i notice the new Music Easels have separate Left and Right outputs, but seemingly no way to control panning. I think the new one that has the outputs labelled left and right, where as the old one just says Signal Outputs. So perhaps this is a new feature (accessible via programming cards perhaps?) or just a mistake?
Is there a difference between these outputs on the original Music Easels?
captnapalm
vegas7188 wrote:
Hi there, not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but i notice the new Music Easels have separate Left and Right outputs, but seemingly no way to control panning. I think the new one that has the outputs labelled left and right, where as the old one just says Signal Outputs. So perhaps this is a new feature (accessible via programming cards perhaps?) or just a mistake?
Is there a difference between these outputs on the original Music Easels?


Interesting. They're parallel mono outputs on the originals. I wonder if the two output channels default to panning to the two separate outs on the new model.
klontart
Ordered mine! w00t thumbs up

My first ever Buchla purchase. What a great way to start.
bluedonkey
Just found this

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2013/01/27/wnamm13-buchla-music-easel-r emake/

Would love to hear some demos
phutureboy
captnapalm wrote:
Well, I know of three revs of the original Easel already (prototype, early schematics, late schematics). I just wondered if this was a BEMI nomenclature or something people were presumptively calling it here.


Then I guess this one shouldn't be called the MKII, I'll call it the new Easel for the moment.
Shasta Cults
I call it the BEMI Easel

"BE-ME" Easel
n3wt15
are the touch plates just note on/note off control, or is there any sort of pressure or location sensativity on them?
bsmith
so just some functionality things i wanted to ask past and present easel owners. have kind of grokked from looking at the manual (argh that scan, we need something less painful to read - but appreciate having it for now) and the thing itself that in the patch field there the purple jacks are pressure, orange ones are eg, yellow is pulser, blue is the sequencer - and so the black ones are the section inputs, and the white ones are the section outputs?
Have seen in some of the Charles Cohen vids where he will press on the resistors on the preset cards to make stuff happen - how far does this get taken - do people use foil and whatever else to 'play' that card - or is it more just the gentle messing around with the resistance like we see him doing. and speaking of that - and i may have skipped over this in the manual or my eyes were crossing - but when a card is inserted, what happens with the panel controls - are they offsets with the state at time of insertion the '0' setting - or what....
and whatever else- any cool non-apparent things anyone wants to share?
moylando
bsmith wrote:
so just some functionality things i wanted to ask past and present easel owners. have kind of grokked from looking at the manual (argh that scan, we need something less painful to read - but appreciate having it for now) and the thing itself that in the patch field there the purple jacks are pressure, orange ones are eg, yellow is pulser, blue is the sequencer - and so the black ones are the section inputs, and the white ones are the section outputs?

yes, black is in. white is random voltage output, the sample trigger of which is controlled by a switch just to the left of the jack field. section outputs in terms of audio are basically routed by switches. you'll notice there are very few 1/8" jacks.
bsmith
moylando wrote:

yes, black is in. white is random voltage output, the sample trigger of which is controlled by a switch just to the left of the jack field. section outputs in terms of audio are basically routed by switches. you'll notice there are very few 1/8" jacks.



Ahhh! Duh, random, thanks. Cool I was wondering about that if white were outs - which they're not - would be a pretty big difference if the complex osc had a banana out instead of tiny.
captnapalm
bsmith wrote:
when a card is inserted, what happens with the panel controls - are they offsets with the state at time of insertion the '0' setting - or what....


There's a switch near the program card that allows you to use the front panel, program card, or both. If "both" is selected, then it adds the values together so the level of the CVs and offsets on the front panel act as offsets for what's on the card.
chrisso
n3wt15 wrote:
are the touch plates just note on/note off control, or is there any sort of pressure or location sensativity on them?


Yes, it responds to pressure.
I think there is a video in this thread going over the features.
equalpyramid
bsmith wrote:

Have seen in some of the Charles Cohen vids where he will press on the resistors on the preset cards to make stuff happen - how far does this get taken - do people use foil and whatever else to 'play' that card - or is it more just the gentle messing around with the resistance like we see him doing.


The human body acts as the resistor and bridges points on the card. You could also use LDR's and then block them out with your hand to vary the response.
dissonance
klontart wrote:
Ordered mine! w00t thumbs up


Wish I could order mine. I've sent emails to three different addresses since Saturday . . . no love. angry very frustrating
Guidotoons
vegas7188 wrote:
Hi there, not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but i notice the new Music Easels have separate Left and Right outputs, but seemingly no way to control panning. I think the new one that has the outputs labelled left and right, where as the old one just says Signal Outputs. So perhaps this is a new feature (accessible via programming cards perhaps?) or just a mistake?
Is there a difference between these outputs on the original Music Easels?


The original had a + and - output, not left and right.
Rod Serling Fan Club
It would be interesting to investigate the DIY possibilities of the cards.
dkcg
rick wrote:
I call it the BEMI Easel

"BE-ME" Easel


Reminds me of Be Measels tho... lol

I like Easel-E easily... hihi
Votek_Mendo
FoxtoneMusic wrote:
The guys at Buchla did say the ones shown at NAMM weren't the final versions esthetically. The case will be different (removable lid), maybe different knobs, rounding off the the slits for the sliders on the inside. Part of showing it off was to get some feedback. Alessandro Cortini was definitely pushing them for more original looking knobs when they go into production. It's gonna kick ass either way!


Where did you got that info? a video? interview?
triplizard
FoxtoneMusic wrote:
Just talked to Buchla. The official word is first-come-first-served....so congrats to those lucky bastards who got their deposits in to Buchla Thurs-Sun! Now it's just get in line asap going direct or with one your favorite Buchla dealers


Ack, I wonder if that means that since I haven't gotten my invoice yet I'm out of luck.
sempervirent
dissonance wrote:
Wish I could order mine. I've sent emails to three different addresses since Saturday


I emailed info@ on Saturday and heard back within a few hours... the response came from purchasing@ (Laurie, who seems to handle such things). Try again? But be nice, synth corporation are people too.

Votek_Mendo wrote:
Where did you got that info? a video? interview?


FoxtoneMusic = BEMI dealer/distributor
nathanxl
equalpyramid wrote:
bsmith wrote:

Have seen in some of the Charles Cohen vids where he will press on the resistors on the preset cards to make stuff happen - how far does this get taken - do people use foil and whatever else to 'play' that card - or is it more just the gentle messing around with the resistance like we see him doing.


The human body acts as the resistor and bridges points on the card. You could also use LDR's and then block them out with your hand to vary the response.


Same can be seen in videos of Thomas Lehn with his Synthi's Prestopatch card/socket. Its a doorway to a whole 'nother universe...
dissonance
sempervirent wrote:
dissonance wrote:
Wish I could order mine. I've sent emails to three different addresses since Saturday


I emailed info@ on Saturday and heard back within a few hours... the response came from purchasing@ (Laurie, who seems to handle such things). Try again? But be nice, synth corporation are people too.


Thanks. I actually started with purchasing@ on Saturday, and I've since sent to info@ and sales@ as well. We'll see . . .
RomuloCesar
Yeah there is all this frisson for it...last saturday I almost bought one myself but I thought it would be a little too impulsive considering nobody ever heard it and for what I gather Don Buchla isn't directly involved with it. I always wanted a portable synth and I sure have 2 of all euro wiard modules nicely cased on a pelican case...
The fact you can have the easel always ready to go is a great selling point to me. Now I need hi quality recordings to gauge.

I'm sure it will be a 10x killer little synth... I just need concrete proofs, I'm that type guy.
Probably after the concrete proof I will plain regret not buy it 2 days ago ahaha
megamaeng
drewskee
Lyonel wrote:
Location would have been awesome on those long keys.


You know, they keep alluding to additional microprocessor features of the 208e and maybe there will be stuff that comes out of the card slot that will be all expansion like. A break out box would be very nice with additional patch points, inputs, midi, espresso and the like.
amnesia
rick wrote:
I call it the BEMI Easel

"BE-ME" Easel


Be My Easel

Like My little Pony only just better :-)
moogboy
amnesia wrote:
rick wrote:
I call it the BEMI Easel

"BE-ME" Easel


Be My Easel

Like My little Pony only just better :-)


Buchla synths are pretty colorful...kind of like Rainbow Dash...clearly this makes them 20% cooler.
wsequeira
FoxtoneMusic wrote:
Just talked to Buchla. The official word is first-come-first-served....so congrats to those lucky bastards who got their deposits in to Buchla Thurs-Sun! Now it's just get in line asap going direct or with one your favorite Buchla dealers


I got an invoice from Laurie on Sun, so they are taking direct orders with a 50% deposit. She confirmed the lid is removable, but didn't say what the size of the run will be. Release in the June'13 timeframe for fully pre-tested units - hopefully true.
FoxtoneMusic
Votek_Mendo wrote:
FoxtoneMusic wrote:
The guys at Buchla did say the ones shown at NAMM weren't the final versions esthetically. The case will be different (removable lid), maybe different knobs, rounding off the the slits for the sliders on the inside. Part of showing it off was to get some feedback. Alessandro Cortini was definitely pushing them for more original looking knobs when they go into production. It's gonna kick ass either way!


Where did you got that info? a video? interview?


We're their newest dealer and they were pretty open about it during our meetings at NAMM. It was refreshing to have a company WANT to hear what people have to say!
megamaeng
wsequeira wrote:
I got an invoice from Laurie on Sun, so they are taking direct orders with a 50% deposit. She confirmed the lid is removable, but didn't say what the size of the run will be. Release in the June'13 timeframe for fully pre-tested units - hopefully true.


I gave them my info on Friday and they confirmed they received it but I didn't receive an invoice yet. I don't want to add to the chaos and write to them again. To those who received an email invoice, did it come pretty quickly after you got through via email?

Oh well, it's probably better this way since I'll have longer to save up for the other half.

A word of advice - don't take days off during NAMM and the week after. I'm a little embarrassed how many times I've refreshed this thread. help
fredguy
FoxtoneMusic wrote:
Votek_Mendo wrote:
FoxtoneMusic wrote:
The guys at Buchla did say the ones shown at NAMM weren't the final versions esthetically. The case will be different (removable lid), maybe different knobs, rounding off the the slits for the sliders on the inside. Part of showing it off was to get some feedback. Alessandro Cortini was definitely pushing them for more original looking knobs when they go into production. It's gonna kick ass either way!


Where did you got that info? a video? interview?


We're their newest dealer and they were pretty open about it during our meetings at NAMM. It was refreshing to have a company WANT to hear what people have to say!


Did you get a chance to play it? Any recordings?
wsequeira
megamaeng wrote:
wsequeira wrote:
I got an invoice from Laurie on Sun, so they are taking direct orders with a 50% deposit. She confirmed the lid is removable, but didn't say what the size of the run will be. Release in the June'13 timeframe for fully pre-tested units - hopefully true.


To those who received an email invoice, did it come pretty quickly after you got through via email?



In my case it was a next day thing, I inquired on Sat and got an invoice sent to me by Sun. Laurie did say that she had just been allowed to take orders on the Easel, so it may be a matter of working through the pile. Maybe I was just lucky with my timing.
Votek_Mendo
I really Like the interviews thumbs up
FoxtoneMusic
Logan (Low-Gain) from our group played it the most. No recordings, though. Sorry d'oh!
sempervirent
RomuloCesar wrote:
Yeah there is all this frisson for it...last saturday I almost bought one myself but I thought it would be a little too impulsive considering nobody ever heard it and for what I gather Don Buchla isn't directly involved with it.


Watch the Sonicstate video around 7:00 and after, it's stated (somewhat wearily?) that Don was closely involved.
RomuloCesar
sempervirent wrote:
RomuloCesar wrote:
Yeah there is all this frisson for it...last saturday I almost bought one myself but I thought it would be a little too impulsive considering nobody ever heard it and for what I gather Don Buchla isn't directly involved with it.


Watch the Sonicstate video around 7:00 and after, it's stated (somewhat wearily?) that Don was closely involved.



So I guess it is all good. That thing looks like fun to play... all those slides.
tailwagger
xpander
tailwagger wrote:

i used work in the studio where that poster is hanging!
djangosfire
megamaeng wrote:


I think I heard a new phrase in that video: "Buchlear" (like Nuclear) BOOM! w00t

In reference to the new 208e, @ 2:45 Jeff says:

"has the same module slots as the original - you can actually plug old modules into this, it's that close. We've really tried hard to get it as true to the original......"

Awesome!!!! MY ASS IS BLEEDING MY ASS IS BLEEDING love love
amnesia
La Bumba in the back ground.!
dkcg
Dammit..I need to stop looking at this thread until I get a job. lol

I bet the Easel and an Octatrack with an ipad controlling both would be such a sweet combo and so portable... This is fun!


Anyone know if the new easel could run off a car battery (or any 12v DC power source)? I seem to remember reading somewhere the original could run off a car battery, but I could just be dreaming.
Lama
megamaeng wrote:


A few people in this thread has mentioned that the keyboard should be able to connect to 200e modules and other things. According to this interview it will do that.
At about 2:10 Jeff says "The keyboard circuitry has been replaced with a micro processor allowing midi in/out and general interfacing other e-series products".

Neat. applause
bluedonkey
The whole 218 interfacing with 200e products makes this a very dangerous gateway drug. I have already had thoughts of oh then i can get a 259 and a 291 .... scary very very scary.
BHC303
MY ASS IS BLEEDING I did not need to find out about this!
modularland
Ever wonder why you see entire Buchla 200e systems up for sale on MW? There are two right now...

I couple of years ago, I bought a complete 200e system and I can understand why. Its a clever gadget, but not really useful in a music studio context either for a working musician, film composer, live gig, or hobbyist. Sure it has pretty lights, and cool colors, but the fact that its a digital device with presets and menus (rather than one knob per function) and the limited behaviors of the filters plus its inability to talk to any other device besides MIDI really limits the 200e. The system 100 or old 200 modules are far more musical and don't have this problem. This is why people put so much Buchla 200e up for sale. This is why Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross make entire soundtracks without a Buchla present, and why Vince Clark also doesn't seem to use them... they just aren't so practical for most musical applications.

That said, I've always longed for a true analog Buchla synth... I've used a 100 and that is the real deal.

The new Music Easel hopefully gets back to Buchla's roots as a true analog instrument, rather than a digitally controlled noisebox like the 200e.

I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing some video of it in use- and if I like it- you can be sure I'd be a proud owner.

As of now my studio still is dominated by what I consider to be the greatest modular ever made: the Modcan A. I have some desktops too- x0xb0x, Minitaur, Monotribe, and I'll add a MS-20 mini... hopefully a Music Easel as well.

I'm glad to see them re-releasing this classic- there is nothing wrong with re-releasing and updated classic synth... after all, music is classical.
franzschuier
I used my 200e in a musical context with lots of succes and only sell because I am leaving Europe. I will sell my serge as well as all my other stuff.
Everybody can have his own opinion, but should state it as his own opinion. IMHO. hihi

Plus everybody has his own definition of "music" or am I wrong?
modularland
we aren't all children- we know its all just opinion.

And the definition of music? That which you are able to make. If you can't make anything with it, then its not musical. Hence everyone selling it.


franzschuier wrote:
I used my 200e in a musical context with lots of succes and only sell because I am leaving Europe. I will sell my serge as well as all my other stuff.
Everybody can have his own opinion, but should state it as his own opinion. IMHO. hihi

Plus everybody has his own definition of "music" or am I wrong?
subultresk
bluedonkey wrote:
The whole 218 interfacing with 200e products makes this a very dangerous gateway drug. I have already had thoughts of oh then i can get a 259 and a 291 .... scary very very scary.

You name it! The decision you ponder also seems to be about modularity.
But isn't the scary part psychology only? hmmm.....

Since about 30 Easel have been built 40 years ago, not too many people have ever touched this beauty. The past obstacles for owning an Easel might lead into haste. Especially 200e owners might search for something (could be psychology too) and a few people know what's all about, but most of us should wait for more information. There even might be already enough pre-orders to give BEMI a little push conducting everything into a great direction. It looks like several local shops are dealing with BEMI (or MV Pro eek! ) and there even might be a "street-price" at some point.

Think about why Peter gave his Easel inspired instrument the name "The Voice" - it tells a lot (not only about Peter's excellent thinking). Some purchaser could be surprised about the limitations. Some statements sound very promising to me, especially those that are related to connectivity (external CPU). Let's see what will be offered. Nothing is clear yet unless that the card will be below 500$ (that Easel will be around 4,5k). I would join the "Position instead of Pressure"-party (keys) but i think it's just not possible if the keyboard is build like it is.

I hope we will see/hear some more details in Frankfurt (April). Until April there is some time to study the excellent and entertaining Easel-manual (by A. Strange) and try similar patches at home to get a taste.
http://www.synthfool.com/docs/Buchla/PaMtEO.pdf
(... also don't miss the ARP2600 manual if there is some spare time! http://soundprogramming.net/manuals/Arp_2600_Manual.pdf)

I primarily take it as a great message:
"The 21st century Easel has landet!"

For the next christmas season i expect to listen to several Easel-chamber orchestras.

(my favorite Buchla is the 100 series)
prscrptn
modularland wrote:
Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross make entire soundtracks without a Buchla present... they just aren't so practical for most musical applications.


Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross used a 200e for the Grammy award winning score to "The Social Network".
Nils
modularland wrote:
If you can't make anything with it, then its not musical. Hence everyone selling it.


Everyone? So there are two Buchla 200e owners out there? hmmm.....
modularland
Do you see a Buchla in their studio?



prscrptn wrote:
modularland wrote:
Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross make entire soundtracks without a Buchla present... they just aren't so practical for most musical applications.


Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross used a 200e for the Grammy award winning score to "The Social Network".
de_raaf
it has more to do with your own openmindedness than with the instrument it self, like for example if you want to act like or produce results like a arp 2600 you may feel betrayed, but this has more to do with the users mind set and the projected results he wants in his mind, so keep mind open and search were the buchla 200e sounds can find a place in what you do(and let that expand too) and not really the other way around.
i'm just saying its a 2 way thing

i don't any buchla myself (budget) but still i read and listen a lot
modularland
I'm just saying that given how expensive, rare, and specialized a 200e system is, its very interesting that they often pop up for sale *in their entirety*

Why would someone get rid of an entire specialized system, keeping no parts at all? There are very few Buchlas in the world... I'd guess fewer than a few hundred total Buchla systems of any era...

You don't often see Buchla 100s, Easels, or other systems- the true pure analog ones... Only the digital 200es keep appearing, in whole, for sale.

Nils wrote:
modularland wrote:
If you can't make anything with it, then its not musical. Hence everyone selling it.


Everyone? So there are two Buchla 200e owners out there? hmmm.....
opsysbug
Nils wrote:
modularland wrote:
If you can't make anything with it, then its not musical. Hence everyone selling it.


Everyone? So there are two Buchla 200e owners out there? hmmm.....


Um...and what about all the Euro for sale? Actually I "make a lot of things with it." hence I'll be keeping my "non musical " Buchla E to make me some "non music". lol
modularland
I was very open about the 200e sounds. I just found it tiring to have to keep recalling presets and never knowing what the knobs were really set to since the knob position has no relation to the actual sound unless you've just touched the knob.


de_raaf wrote:
it has more to do with your own openmindedness than with the instrument it self, like for example if you want to act like or produce results like a arp 2600 you may feel betrayed, but this has more to do with the users mind set and the projected results he wants in his mind, so keep mind open and search were the buchla 200e sounds can find a place in what you do(and let that expand too) and not really the other way around.
i'm just saying its a 2 way thing

i don't any buchla myself (budget) but still i read and listen a lot
de_raaf
sometimes people have other finacial concerns than synths, so a sytem has to go, everybody has his different reasons why the sell complete systems

ofcourse 200e is still in production, an important factor
Lyonel
modularland wrote:
not really useful in a music studio context either for a working musician, film composer, live gig, or hobbyist.

modularland wrote:
the limited behaviors of the filters

modularland wrote:
its inability to talk to any other device besides MIDI really limits the 200e.

modularland wrote:
This is why Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross make entire soundtracks without a Buchla present

modularland wrote:
they just aren't so practical for most musical applications.

modularland wrote:
a digitally controlled noisebox like the 200e.

modularland wrote:
music is classical.


As you seem to need to lean on famed people for supporting your questionable assertions.




bsmith
so... maybe a present easel owner could answer - it looks like (for instance) there isn't cv control over the A and D of the envelope, but since the access to those parameter are available on the preset cards, is there a common method of dynamically getting at non-available-by-cv parameters like those using it- leads with alligators or something like that?
Really excited and curious about the ipad/osc integration stuff through that slot - using lemur or whatever for realtime modulations of anything and everything (I hope).
itijik
Lyonel wrote:


Well, that's enough for me. I'm buying a buchla! :p
ritchiedrums
UMMMmmmmm.
I haven't seen this posted.
So I guess the Elephant in the room will be exposed by me.
hmmm.....
I can't find any audio demo on the Easel....
Does it appear that Buchla Doesn't Want Us To Hear It?!?!? seriously, i just don't get it
itijik
ritchiedrums wrote:
UMMMmmmmm.
I haven't seen this posted.
So I guess the Elephant in the room will be exposed by me.
hmmm.....
I can't find any audio demo on the Easel....
Does it appear that Buchla Doesn't Want Us To Hear It?!?!? seriously, i just don't get it


It seems like the one shown at NAMM was not a functioning unit seriously, i just don't get it
momo
Lyonel wrote:


As you seem to need to lean on famed people for supporting your questionable assertions.






Also Muse!

Lyonel
momo wrote:
Also Muse!



Indeed ! thumbs up

sempervirent
modularland wrote:
I was very open about the 200e sounds. I just found it tiring to have to keep recalling presets and never knowing what the knobs were really set to since the knob position has no relation to the actual sound unless you've just touched the knob.


A preset manager is not a required component in a 200e system.

You went from saying the sound was the problem to saying the digital aspects were the problem... which is it?

There are no bad sounds IMO.
zerosum
Quote:
I can't find any audio demo on the Easel....
Does it appear that Buchla Doesn't Want Us To Hear It?!?!?


Notice how they have been denied the opportunity to actually release and present their own product.
28 page thread not started by Buchla, announcing a new product,
followed up by a feature request form.
Maybe the manufacturer should be granted the courtesy to present their product the way they want to present it when they are ready to present it.
It's a little late for that..... That has been snatched away from their hands.

All this sense of entitlement is really sad. waah
All these demands made like people are "owed" something.

Can we just let them continue with their amazing work instead of trying to ruin them before they have even had the opportunity to officially present it?
prscrptn
The 200e was also used in the Grammy award winning score for "Batman - The Dark Knight", by Hans Zimmer...
modularland
All assertions are questionable...

The pic of Trent you found in front of Buchla was from when? There isn't one present in the studio used for Social Network that I can see.

And why mention artists at all? Because artists inspire.

My opinions are my own, questionable as they are... I owned a nice 12 panel Buchla 200e for 3 months, and decided it wasn't for me... Its a nice gadget, but in terms of being a 'modular analog synth' - I wouldn't really put it in that category... Its a "digital music box". The Music Easel looks like the real deal however and I'm excited about that so I can give it another shot.

My fave currently manufactured modular is the Modcan A .... has the best of everything...
sempervirent
modularland wrote:
All assertions are questionable...


Including yours. We get it, you don't like the 200e. Move on.
Ranxerox
Yes! Muffs needs more bunfights.

Bunfight! Bunfight! SlayerBadger!
abstraktor
momo wrote:
Lyonel wrote:


As you seem to need to lean on famed people for supporting your questionable assertions.






Also Muse!



Kisses of death IMHO. If your decision whether to buy into Buchla is based on which pop stars own them then you clearly have more money than sense - and deserve to get a right good whacking with cheap banana cables...and sent back to get more out of Fruityloops. twisted
ritchiedrums
Well Buchla sold about a year ago:

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2012/01/20/buchla-electronic-music-i nstruments-keyboard/

Can anyone confirm that the easel at MANN was functional?
Muff Wiggler
Judging people's taste in tools is the new judging people's taste in music.
Lyonel
modularland wrote:
Its a nice gadget


modularland wrote:
My fave currently manufactured modular is the Modcan A


Could you change this Record ? It seems striped.


modularland wrote:
The pic of Trent you found in front of Buchla was from when?


Is it a sort of game ?
Morley
ritchiedrums wrote:
Well Buchla sold about a year ago:

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2012/01/20/buchla-electronic-music-i nstruments-keyboard/

Can anyone confirm that the easel at MANN was functional?


Where do they get this info?

Finally, Buchla announced that, after 50 years of not making a keyboard for his synthesizer, that there will finally be a Buchla Keyboard controller. The Buchla Keyboard is currently in early stages, but don’t plan on it being a standard control keyboard. Buchla Electronic Musical Instruments expects to release a keyboard design that is as different from other keyboard controllers as its modular synthesizer is from other modulars.


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From what I heard, the Easel was functional but as a prototype, so had some issues..or features not fully working
modularland
I'm not sure why anyone would be so upset by honest reviews by fellow community members who invested their money and time into trying out an instrument. Its no different than a restaurant review on Yelp... except synths take a much larger investment. I've been tinkering with modulars since about 1977... if I was new to this and had no experience I wouldn't take the time...

Mark Verbos warned me before buying the 200e... and if he would warn... maybe we should listen? Muffwiggler is the Edmunds.com of modulars.

sempervirent wrote:
modularland wrote:
All assertions are questionable...


Including yours. We get it, you don't like the 200e. Move on.
E.A.S.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the point in the interview where they mention that they even using the RARE ua726 heated transistor pair in the oscillator. (same that was used in the original. Perhaps this detail will change for production but It makes me wonder how many easels they can actually manufacture that way.
sempervirent
Here's the latest hit from Steve Modularland:



Artists inspire.
franzschuier
modularland wrote:

Mark Verbos warned me before buying the 200e...


lol lol lol lol lol
bsmith
so.... i guess we'll have another thread that will be an actual resource and place for discussion of the easel?
bwhittington
zerosum wrote:

Maybe the manufacturer should be granted the courtesy to present their product the way they want to present it when they are ready to present it.
It's a little late for that..... That has been snatched away from their hands.


I agree with your broader point, but BEMI actually did introduce their product in the way they wanted to--at NAMM, where their every hope had to be in creating the kind of industry media and internet buzz that they did. I suspect BEMI is delighted with the reception this product has gotten, gripes and all.

This thread is filled with potential customers who care so deeply about this product that they want the knobs to be a certain color. That's kind of stupid in one sense, but it is a level of passionate product interest that many businesses can only dream of. (Ask George Lucas if that level of extreme fanboy obsession is ever annoying, of course, but still . . . lol)

Cheers,
Brian
bwhittington
captnapalm wrote:
bsmith wrote:
when a card is inserted, what happens with the panel controls - are they offsets with the state at time of insertion the '0' setting - or what....


There's a switch near the program card that allows you to use the front panel, program card, or both. If "both" is selected, then it adds the values together so the level of the CVs and offsets on the front panel act as offsets for what's on the card.


That's awesome. Sounds like deep potential there for all kinds of interfacing, with "unplug (card) and play" portability.
ritchiedrums
OK.
Someone that attended NAMM confirmed that 1 unit was working.
It was only demoed with Headphones.
So I guess there were no Amps at the Booth hmmm.....

AND I have no problem with Wigglers posting opinions or Advice.
JUST DO IT IN ANOTHER THREAD!!!!

I am very interested in the easel,
but it is strange that no audio examples exist yet...

Not anxious to throw the 50% deposit without hearing it Guinness ftw!
captnapalm
ritchiedrums wrote:

I am very interested in the easel,
but it is strange that no audio examples exist yet...

Not anxious to throw the 50% deposit without hearing it


Keep in mind that B&A have never (to my knowledge) posted any audio examples of the 200e either. I wouldn't expect to hear any until the units start shipping and people post their own.
Guidotoons
ritchiedrums wrote:
OK.
Someone that attended NAMM confirmed that 1 unit was working.
It was only demoed with Headphones.
So I guess there were no Amps at the Booth hmmm.....

AND I have no problem with Wigglers posting opinions or Advice.
JUST DO IT IN ANOTHER THREAD!!!!

I am very interested in the easel,
but it is strange that no audio examples exist yet...

Not anxious to throw the 50% deposit without hearing it Guinness ftw!


I don't think there is anything "sinister" about this. Many manufacturers will kludge together a prototype and show it at NAMM or AES and take orders so they can get some working capital for their new products. Moog did this when they debuted the Voyager.

Again.. I am REALLY happy to see this thing reborn! I am SO in!
science
franzschuier wrote:
modularland wrote:

Mark Verbos warned me before buying the 200e...


lol lol lol lol lol

Glad I'm not the only one who caught that... hilarious.
Muff Wiggler
I don't have a lot to add to this discussion other than the fact that I think this is really exciting and I'm going to get one.

Perhaps I have a different perspective, as I've been lucky enough to use an Easel in the past. Additionally I'm an enormous fan of Charles Cohen and the work he does using an Easel. The chance to own a Buchla instrument - even one that is "similar" or "inspired by" - at this price point is in my opinion absolutely tremendous.

Speaking of price point, I'm astounded at the proposed list price. I believe that they could have doubled that price and sold 90% as many units. I spoke with BEMI at the show and they are committed to the price.

I think it's a bold move and it speaks volumes about BEMI's respect for Don's legacy and their desire to get these into the hands of people who will appreciate it.

I'm really looking forward to this. I know it won't be perfect (whatever that means), I know it will have its quirks, and (like the original) I know this will be part of the instrument's charm.

Congrats are in order to Don and to BEMI. Thank-you for doing this, it is a wonderful move.
Rod Serling Fan Club
bwhittington wrote:
captnapalm wrote:
bsmith wrote:
when a card is inserted, what happens with the panel controls - are they offsets with the state at time of insertion the '0' setting - or what....


There's a switch near the program card that allows you to use the front panel, program card, or both. If "both" is selected, then it adds the values together so the level of the CVs and offsets on the front panel act as offsets for what's on the card.


That's awesome. Sounds like deep potential there for all kinds of interfacing, with "unplug (card) and play" portability.


Absolutely, I am thinking DIY card to banana break-out box.
bsmith
Rod Serling Fan Club wrote:
bwhittington wrote:

That's awesome. Sounds like deep potential there for all kinds of interfacing, with "unplug (card) and play" portability.


Absolutely, I am thinking DIY card to banana break-out box.


w00t w00t w00t w00t
ws9848
my deposit has been sent and this will be my first buchla!
arnoux
People do you think this new Easel will be produced in a large number and for few years? Or it will be a limited run? It will take ages to me to save 4000€.. waah
Morley
I can see them producing a pretty large number. Why not? It'll be more profitable the more they produce.
bwhittington
Rod Serling Fan Club wrote:
bwhittington wrote:

That's awesome. Sounds like deep potential there for all kinds of interfacing, with "unplug (card) and play" portability.


Absolutely, I am thinking DIY card to banana break-out box.


I was thinking about those pin matrices produced for a pair of Synthi's routed from their card slots. I haven't taken a super close look at what is available on the Easel's yet or thought about what I would find useful, but that that and the potential of bluetooth control seem insanely cool. Can't wait to see what people come up with.
science
arnoux wrote:
People do you think this new Easel will be produced in a large number and for few years? Or it will be a limited run? It will take ages to me to save 4000€.. waah

Doesn't Buchla take credit cards now? Just "buy" one American style.
modularland
I was paid to do that, and its on the radio in the NY metro area. The constraints were: 40 seconds, must include video (I'm not a video editor), must use the company phone# and name, etc...

What was the last piece of sound you were paid to do?

sempervirent wrote:
Here's the latest hit from Steve Modularland:



Artists inspire.
abendrot
I will keep my 200e as i love it very very musch and the filters of
the 267e sound amazing. Love the so much. But I think I will sell
some eurorack to get the deposit together. The Easel and my
200e will play nicely together. love
Shasta Cults
i havent been on the other forums.. are people complaining about the size/knobs/changes to the new MS20?
abendrot
Probably wink But for 599$ it's pretty hard to complain I guess.
Can't wait for the Easel. So the lid will be removable.
Very nice. And maybe they listen to Allesandro on the knobs
than I am happy. Not going to complaign again that it won't
fit in a 200e cabinet. They will just have to share the table. hihi
337is
Can anyone shed some light on the design principle behind the 5-stage sequencer featured on the Easels? Just curious as my personal experience with sequencers has been limited to units with stages based on multiples of two; with four and eight steps seemingly most common.
itijik
science wrote:
arnoux wrote:
People do you think this new Easel will be produced in a large number and for few years? Or it will be a limited run? It will take ages to me to save 4000€.. waah

Doesn't Buchla take credit cards now? Just "buy" one American style.

lol

Or don't go into debt and join The Great, Can't Afford An Easel Sell-off!
dan_p
sempervirent wrote:
Here's the latest hit from Steve Modularland:


Its a bit lame to be slagging someones output, whatever the reason. One of the things I love about this place is the non judgemental respect that is attributed to wiggler output.

Hug
GovernorSilver
rick wrote:
i havent been on the other forums.. are people complaining about the size/knobs/changes to the new MS20?


They did, until a Sonic State video was posted, showing a closeup of a human hand playing the keyboard. Afterwards, the "I hate minikeys" complaints stopped being posted.

There was also some confusion on the part of users who owned the Korg Legacy Collection MS-20IC USB controller, but never owned the original analog model - these kids were wondering why there's no mention of MIDI CC implementation. hihi "Pipe down whippersnappers! Back in my day, we used something called control voltage, not this cockamamie MIDI..."
BugBrand
337is wrote:
Can anyone shed some light on the design principle behind the 5-stage sequencer featured on the Easels? Just curious as my personal experience with sequencers has been limited to units with stages based on multiples of two; with four and eight steps seemingly most common.


Schematic is here
5 had always puzzled me too - haven't looked hard, but interesting that it uses a pair of dual flip-flops (4013 chip) - so, four plus one (?!) gives you five..


PS - anyone know how I can get a car to the airport?!
modularland
I will DEFINITELY be getting one of those... the Monotribe is brilliant... and I have a Modcan A format MS-20 tribute filter... now add a true MS-20 and I'm done... can't wait!

rick wrote:
i havent been on the other forums.. are people complaining about the size/knobs/changes to the new MS20?
Morley
dan_p wrote:
sempervirent wrote:
Here's the latest hit from Steve Modularland:


Its a bit lame to be slagging someones output, whatever the reason. One of the things I love about this place is the non judgemental respect that is attributed to wiggler output.

Hug


Agreed
captnapalm
337is wrote:
Can anyone shed some light on the design principle behind the 5-stage sequencer featured on the Easels? Just curious as my personal experience with sequencers has been limited to units with stages based on multiples of two; with four and eight steps seemingly most common.


I always assumed it was Don's way of doing things unconventionally. But you can switch it between 3, 4, and 5 stages, so if you want 4 it's easy to do.
Slabwax
I just sent in my deposit. My first Buchla. I was going to start putting together a small 200e system and now this, perfect.

Now I have a couple stupid questions. Will I be able to route a delay into the system? And what I'm I going to need other than some sort of format jumbler to interface with foogers and a SEM Patch Panel? The Buchla gear uses a different c/v voltage, Right?

Thanks
Morley
captnapalm wrote:
337is wrote:
Can anyone shed some light on the design principle behind the 5-stage sequencer featured on the Easels? Just curious as my personal experience with sequencers has been limited to units with stages based on multiples of two; with four and eight steps seemingly most common.


I always assumed it was Don's way of doing things unconventionally. But you can switch it between 3, 4, and 5 stages, so if you want 4 it's easy to do.


Also I think it is also thought of as a kind of stored voltage processor. Each touch of the keyboard steps it and it controls a parameter, so not as a simple note processor specifically.
My 200 had a 5x4 sequencer. I used it for storing oscillator pitches as presets (but obviously having 4 rows made it more useful for that).
So I think it had to do with size or layout and as a tone modifying feature as much as a note sequencer.
darenager
rick wrote:
i havent been on the other forums.. are people complaining about the size/knobs/changes to the new MS20?


No, in that particular case they are complaining that the knobs do not send CC's, that to interface it with a Euro rig requires a tiny extra expense and effort, that the keys are the wrong size, that it does not have midi out.

I'm amazed that no one has complained about the price being too high on the Easel and the MS20, must be a wiggler first hihi
abendrot
The price is perfect. thumbs up
Oldstench
Although the price is far, far out of my range, I am astounded at how relatively inexpensive it is for what you get. This really is the golden age of analog instruments.
chrisso
The main bunfight seems to be based around ordering an Easel right now or not.
There is a very simple solution.
Don't buy an Easel until you've heard it, seen some videos, read user reviews, followed any early adopter bug reports.
The Music Easel doesn't turn into a pumpkin at midnight. It'll still be there in one year's time.
I'm not a huge fan of 200e, preferring more basic 200 and 3rd party modules, but I have most certainly heard plenty of good quality music made with 200e. I owned some 200e modules and made music I was happy with, without using pre-sets or the computer interface.
If I was a traveling musician, or playing live, I could see myself buying a modern Easel.
As I have some of the Easel features already in my older Buchla System, I'm not compelled to throw down a deposit for a BEMI version.
Regarding Buchla systems for sale, I think it's part of the Muff effect. People are always chopping and changing, looking for new sounds they've heard about on the forum. there are often whole Euro systems for sale in the classifieds.
Guidotoons
337is wrote:
Can anyone shed some light on the design principle behind the 5-stage sequencer featured on the Easels? Just curious as my personal experience with sequencers has been limited to units with stages based on multiples of two; with four and eight steps seemingly most common.


I would guess two reasons.

For one thing... I'm guessing space restraints. That and the fact that Don is, well, just "different".
Guidotoons
chrisso wrote:
The main bunfight seems to be based around ordering an Easel right now or not.
There is a very simple solution.
Don't buy an Easel until you've heard it, seen some videos, read user reviews, followed any early adopter bug reports.
The Music Easel doesn't turn into a pumpkin at midnight. It'll still be there in one year's time.



What Chrisso said!
ritchiedrums
It appears that there will be a lot of Easels available.

I wouldn't be so sure about a year from now.
If they are Smart(and Buchla always was....)
The market will not be flooded with any One Model.....

The Sooner I can hear a demo.... THE BETTER! It's motherfucking bacon yo Buchla 222e
dan_p
I'm sat in a Hotel at the moment in the middle of shitsville on my own, like I do often, thinking an Easel would be a seriously great thing to have. The OP- 1 is brilliant, but an Easel! Maybe I'll see what happens and jump on one later in the year.

The thing I think I like about it is the lack of faff, its all in one. Last thing you want is to lug loads of seperate bits and PSU's etc around. would be great to open the case plug in and jam away.
abendrot
The wait is killing me already Dead Banana
chrisso
ritchiedrums wrote:
It appears that there will be a lot of Easels available.

I wouldn't be so sure about a year from now.


It's basically as easy as can be to build a 200e system from the For Sale section at Muff alone. This has been the case for at least a couple of years.
If the number of orders already made is correct (anecdotal), I expect to see quite a few in the Muff FS section in a year's time.
Not because Buchla "sucks", but because Muff's love to chop and change (as I said), and people over spend and need to cover bills.
The pseudo scare campaign about having to buy right now despite no sound demos is just ridiculous!!!
noobyscooby
chrisso wrote:

Not because Buchla "sucks", but because Muff's love to chop and change (as I said), and people over spend and need to cover bills.


This happens a lot with gear and it's why I stopped chasing the next big thing in eurorack and otherwise a few years ago. Bills are even worse because those people are a lot more tempted to take a lot less.

I know friends that do this over and over again needing to try the hot new thing or the hot vintage thing and they spend a lot of money and end up with nothing in the end. Or at lot less than what they put in.

It's even worse when you're outside of the US and have to pay more for shipping, customs, paypal/ebay resell fees etc.

I let the money trickle in from selling records now and save. It's a lot more satisfying and I very rarely sell anything anymore.

The more I think about it the less likely I will buy an easel. I have a lot of its functions copied in other formats and 4k would buy a lot more Modcan A, maybe a Serge voice panel or euro or other things I might enjoy more.
modularland
Slog away :-) I am very happy with my decades of professional career in media technology... I'll see the sloggers as couple decades from now and we'll compare "output"

Morley wrote:
dan_p wrote:
sempervirent wrote:
Here's the latest hit from Steve Modularland:


Its a bit lame to be slagging someones output, whatever the reason. One of the things I love about this place is the non judgemental respect that is attributed to wiggler output.

Hug


Agreed
modularland
"You will not have an easy time interfacing your Buchla with other modulars. Buchla does not play well with other synths." - Mark Verbos

Slabwax wrote:
I just sent in my deposit. My first Buchla. I was going to start putting together a small 200e system and now this, perfect.

Now I have a couple stupid questions. Will I be able to route a delay into the system? And what I'm I going to need other than some sort of format jumbler to interface with foogers and a SEM Patch Panel? The Buchla gear uses a different c/v voltage, Right?

Thanks
337is
Thanks for the shared insights into the 5-stage sequencer! thumbs up
Slabwax
@Modularland

Thanks
chrisso
modularland wrote:
"You will not have an easy time interfacing your Buchla with other modulars. Buchla does not play well with other synths." - Mark Verbos


Well that mostly changed with the Synovatron CVGT1.
I'm now using my Buchla with Euro quite a bit, and using my Buchla 216 controller to control my Euro.
Also, perceiving Mark's comments as a dire warning, not being able to integrate BUchla with other modulars, is obviously something particular to you.
I've owned my Buchla for over ten years, and have used it on many tv documentaries. As some of us often say, it's the limitations that are the strengths of the system in some respects.
I believe Mark Verbos has used his Buchla on some great techno releases too.
modularland
That all said, I think now is probably the time to make a universal CV translator box... this could easily be done with Adafruit supplied lego blocks... a Raspberry pi, AD and DAs etc... remember CV doesn't have to sound good, it just has to be accurate... converting, with the correct scale, one synth's CVs into anothers can be done with cheap open source parts now rather than some garage built esoteric black box.

here is a Euro version here that someone is working on:

http://synovatron.blogspot.com/2012/04/euro-to-buchla-cv-interface-mod ule.html

Note their note that Buchla isn't 5v CV but is "10ish volts"... and there lies the challenge :-)

I wonder what would happen if someone built a "Buchla CV cleaner" module so that Buchlas could themselves use only clean CV... would the songs no longer make the top-40?

oop chrisso and I posted this at the same time


Slabwax wrote:
@Modularland

Thanks
modularland
chrisso wrote:

Also, perceiving Mark's comments as a dire warning, not being able to integrate BUchla with other modulars, is obviously something particular to you.


It wasn't particular to me... I've been building audio electronics since 1980... it was just his own brand of New York dark humor... And it was at a party... He is an amazing guy, amazing musician, and amazing engineer... proud to have him in the NYC area... his 258v was the only thing in my 200e that behaved correctly.

You have to buy or build a module to get the CV talking to another synth... a Serge, Modcan, Moog, MacBeth, and Arp will all happily CV each other with just a wire...

I have two J3RK 258 VCO pcbs on my project list... I'll make a Buchla VCO in a Modcan A panel and have the last laugh...
chrisso
modularland wrote:


You have to buy or build a module to get the CV talking to another synth... a Serge, Modcan, Moog, MacBeth, and Arp will all happily CV each other with just a wire...

I have two J3RK 258 VCO pcbs on my project list... I'll make a Buchla VCO in a Modcan A panel and have the last laugh...


I found Serge to be the most finicky, although it integrated quite well with other all banana systems like Modcan and Fenix. .
I ended up selling Serge and Modcan and I now use Euro and vintage Buchla.
Enkidoo
modularland wrote:
chrisso wrote:

Also, perceiving Mark's comments as a dire warning, not being able to integrate BUchla with other modulars, is obviously something particular to you.

It wasn't particular to me... I've been building audio electronics since 1980... it was just his own brand of New York dark humor... proud to have him in the NYC area... .


I thought you were just obnoxious and now I realize you're a New Yorker. They've got to give us Web 7.0 with some real good telepresence soon or I'm going to stop using the web. Flaming etc is just an artifact of poor technology. Greats like Plato and Aristoteles despised writing in their time, it surely doesn't suck any less now.

Anyways, very happy with the easel coming out and looking forwards to the user reviews and demos (edit: some spelling corrected) by the early adopters!
modularland
Serge is indeed finicky... but its mostly due to ground issues... tie the grounds well and it shouldn't have too many problems...

I had a new STS Serge and loved it- but I found that it was mostly redundant to my Modcan A so I sold mine as well- but highly recommend them. Well built, great sounding, true analog modulars... Rex is cool and chatty...

chrisso wrote:

I found Serge to be the most finicky, although it integrated quite well with other all banana systems like Modcan and Fenix. .
I ended up selling Serge and Modcan and I now use Euro and vintage Buchla.
pickleinn
Rod Serling Fan Club wrote:

Absolutely, I am thinking DIY card to banana break-out box.


Damn it.....i thought i got away from modulars and synth lust as well as DIY and the fun frustration it brings.......

now i am getting sucked back in. Easel deposit made and dreaming of DIY again.

dang it. Dead Banana
chrisso
modularland wrote:
Serge is indeed finicky... but its mostly due to ground issues...


Agreed.

The Synovatron works really well.
I've had no integration issues, specifically no weird ground issues between Buchla and euro.
supersounddesign
modularland wrote:
"You will not have an easy time interfacing your Buchla with other modulars. Buchla does not play well with other synths." - Mark Verbos

Slabwax wrote:
I just sent in my deposit. My first Buchla. I was going to start putting together a small 200e system and now this, perfect.

Now I have a couple stupid questions. Will I be able to route a delay into the system? And what I'm I going to need other than some sort of format jumbler to interface with foogers and a SEM Patch Panel? The Buchla gear uses a different c/v voltage, Right?

Thanks
I just need to know if I can connect the easel to my synthi ! Too much suitcase synth!!
modularland
Build those breakouts! Decrackle those bad grounds! Rescale those CVs!



oh and hey SemperVirent if you don't like my commercial jingle, does this demo of the MS-20 Modcan A / MOTM / Cynthia module I assembled sound better to you?

http://a1metrics.com/UnicornModule.mp3


sempervirent wrote:
Here's the latest hit from Steve Modularland:

Artists inspire.
sascha.victoria
pickleinn wrote:
Rod Serling Fan Club wrote:

Absolutely, I am thinking DIY card to banana break-out box.


Damn it.....i thought i got away from modulars and synth lust as well as DIY and the fun frustration it brings.......

now i am getting sucked back in. Easel deposit made and dreaming of DIY again.

dang it. Dead Banana


nice to see you back pickles.
amnesia
[quote="modularland"]
chrisso wrote:

Also, perceiving Mark's comments He is an amazing guy, amazing musician, and amazing engineer... .


You forgot visionary :-)
amnesia
modularland wrote:
"You will not have an easy time interfacing your Buchla with other modulars. Buchla does not play well with other synths." - Mark Verbos
[/quote]

+1 for Synovatron CVGT1 My Buchla and euro have become one HUGE modular.
e-tron
Woah! I'm reading through this thread and
thinking ''Dudes, relax! It's just a f__ing synth.''

Meanwhile, I'm freaking out because
BEMI won't respond to my email:

''Take my money!!!!''

Dead Banana

I'm confused
Slabwax
E-tron, If you can't get Buchla to respond, try Eric at Foxtone, he has been great and very responsive.
Peake
I'm not certain if Buchla have more than one 5-step sequencers because it was easy to get "one more" out of certain circuitry, or because it was designed that way to provide the user "one more" to break up the expected. He is said to have first designed his front panels, then the supporting circuitry.

I've always considered that it provides the same number of events as if you used all five fingers on a riff or to control. It's an identifiable range of human gesture(s). I could be reading too deeply into this, however.
BugBrand
Yeah, the 5 does strike me as a very interesting area. I guess when the Easel originally came out there weren't so many seqs about and techno hadn't been invented yet.. What I'm getting at is how the binary (2/4/8/16) 'limitations' (maybe due to circuit / chips) has become kind of universal.

Hadn't thought of 5 fingers!
djangosfire
Peake wrote:

I've always considered that it provides the same number of events as if you used all five fingers on a riff or to control. It's an identifiable range of human gesture(s). I could be reading too deeply into this, however.


Well by that logic.... I better buy a second Easel - one for each hand! Guinness ftw! Rockin' Banana!
snufkin
Peake wrote:
I'm not certain if Buchla have more than one 5-step sequencers because it was easy to get "one more" out of certain circuitry, or because it was designed that way to provide the user "one more" to break up the expected. He is said to have first designed his front panels, then the supporting circuitry.

I've always considered that it provides the same number of events as if you used all five fingers on a riff or to control. It's an identifiable range of human gesture(s). I could be reading too deeply into this, however.


I don't think he designs his front panels completely first that's just a good way to describe his design philosophy of designing towards external function rather than internal capability

lunettas are the complete opposite design philosophy
theboddy
Gosh this thread is up to 32 pages and not even a week has passed sine the announcement. When is the product due? June? At this rate this thread will have not only consumed the entire Muffs forum but devoured half the internet.

Dead Banana
mrbloor
Just to let you all know, I don't want one of these. Way to pretty for me
BHC303
amnesia wrote:
modularland wrote:
"You will not have an easy time interfacing your Buchla with other modulars. Buchla does not play well with other synths." - Mark Verbos


+1 for Synovatron CVGT1 My Buchla and euro have become one HUGE modular.[/quote]

So does this do buchla to Euro and euro to buchla?

Think awave will do these?

Cheers

Guinness ftw!
chrisso
Yes, the CVGT1 goes both ways.
gwaidan
Peake wrote:
I'm not certain if Buchla have more than one 5-step sequencers because it was easy to get "one more" out of certain circuitry, or because it was designed that way to provide the user "one more" to break up the expected. He is said to have first designed his front panels, then the supporting circuitry.

I've always considered that it provides the same number of events as if you used all five fingers on a riff or to control. It's an identifiable range of human gesture(s). I could be reading too deeply into this, however.


5-step sequencers give you 8 note sequences when they run bidirectionally...
chrisso
theboddy wrote:
Gosh this thread is up to 32 pages and not even a week has passed sine the announcement. When is the product due? June? At this rate this thread will have not only consumed the entire Muffs forum but devoured half the internet.


Yeah, but it's still no match for the average Make Noise module rumour thread.
phutureboy
gwaidan wrote:
5-step sequencers give you 8 note sequences when they run bidirectionally...


And does the Easel's sequencer have bidirectionallity ?
amnesia
phutureboy wrote:
gwaidan wrote:
5-step sequencers give you 8 note sequences when they run bidirectionally...


And does the Easel's sequencer have bidirectionallity ?


Not sure but I think you could send it an Attack Release arrange it so it could move fwd and bwd
triplizard
Just got my deposit in. They went dark on me for a couple of days so I was getting worried that they had sold out or something but I guess they were just backed up. This will be my first Buchla. w00t
Morley
I doubt they have sold out as they haven't built them yet!
Rod Serling Fan Club
pickleinn wrote:
Rod Serling Fan Club wrote:

Absolutely, I am thinking DIY card to banana break-out box.


Damn it.....i thought i got away from modulars and synth lust as well as DIY and the fun frustration it brings.......

now i am getting sucked back in. Easel deposit made and dreaming of DIY again.

dang it. Dead Banana


The water is nice.
legionhwp
thumbs up

Funny how we synth nerds get eint it?

The Agonizer!


Morley wrote:
I doubt they have sold out as they haven't built them yet!
paperCUT
4k for a single oscillator monosynth. Please someone explain, why is this limited synth worth more than a very large modular (containing almost identical circuits)?
solaris
paperCUT wrote:
4k for a single oscillator monosynth. Please someone explain, why is this limited synth worth more than a very large modular (containing almost identical circuits)?


history/reasons are accessible via google and on this forum.
abendrot
After reading the Easel Manual yesterday I have to say I am realy
looking forward to the programming card. It's so great that they
left it the way it was. Can't wait to solder away and "build" my
own instruments on the easel and make a library of sounds.
triplizard
Morley wrote:
I doubt they have sold out as they haven't built them yet!


You know what I mean - sold the allotment of preorders.
triplizard
paperCUT wrote:
4k for a single oscillator monosynth. Please someone explain, why is this limited synth worth more than a very large modular (containing almost identical circuits)?


Well, why is a 200e System 1 worth $5350? Or a System 3 worth $16,000 when you could probably build 3X the functionality in Euro for that price?

Why is a Make Noise DPO worth $599 when you could buy 2 Doepfer VCOs and a waveshaper for $345? That's $255 less!

Why would somebody wait 10 years on a waiting list to buy a Synthi for $3K when they can pop down to Guitar Center and pick up a Minibrute today for $500? Why is it that that same person can turn around and Ebay that same Synthi for $9K when the buyer could get any manner of other monosynths for 1/5 the price?

Or why buy analogue when you can get more reliable and versatile VAs for a fraction of the cost - lets face it, when you layer it in a mix with compression, EQ, effects, etc., nobody can tell the difference anyway, right? Why would anybody use hardware synths at all when you can far more sonic variety out of Omnisphere or even any number of free VSTs?

Why does the sun shine? Why do bad things happen to good people? Why was a moron from Texas not qualified to tie his own shoelaces elected to the most powerful office in the world not once but twice?

WHY? WHY? WHY? Won't somebody please think of the children!!!
Morley
triplizard wrote:
Morley wrote:
I doubt they have sold out as they haven't built them yet!


You know what I mean - sold the allotment of preorders.


I don;t even think they have that. Producing more is going to be cheaper than producing less I would think UNLESS there are components which cannot be sourced.
Rod Serling Fan Club
paperCUT wrote:
4k for a single oscillator monosynth. Please someone explain, why is this limited synth worth more than a very large modular (containing almost identical circuits)?


Well let's do some math. From the functionality perspective you would need these, or similar modules:

9U case $500ish
Graph seq $295
DPO: $600
MATHs: $280
Moddemix $140
8xpressure points $1,720
2x borg LPGs $500
Output $80
A-156 (quantizer) $175
A-170 (slew) $80
a-175 voltage invert) $65
A-119 (input/env follower)$99
A-199 (spring reverb) $180
a-149-1 (random voltage) $145
Mixer $90ish
________________
Total $4,830ish

Granted, some of these modules have more features than what they represent on the easel but I tried to stay with the closest representations and cheaper modules when possible. Your routing ability would be far more flexible and your module choice as well. There is definitely a lot to think about going one way or another but I don't think modular is cheaper.
megamaeng
Morley wrote:

I don;t even think they have that. Producing more is going to be cheaper than producing less I would think UNLESS there are components which cannot be sourced.


Yer right about that, but maybe they don't want to over commit to preorders for people who are thinking that they are going to get it around the June date Buchla is saying they'll start shipping.
Phalanxe
abendrot wrote:
After reading the Easel Manual yesterday I have to say I am realy
looking forward to the programming card. It's so great that they
left it the way it was. Can't wait to solder away and "build" my
own instruments on the easel and make a library of sounds.


I think this is what I'm most excited about..can't wait to screw around with the programming card section. Lots of possibilities, between the regular cards and the OSC compatible cards, it really opens it up.
triplizard
Morley wrote:
triplizard wrote:
Morley wrote:
I doubt they have sold out as they haven't built them yet!


You know what I mean - sold the allotment of preorders.


I don;t even think they have that. Producing more is going to be cheaper than producing less I would think UNLESS there are components which cannot be sourced.


Well, I don't know how Buchla operates, but most boutique manufacturers do productions in runs, rather than setting up assembly line type operations, as far as I know.

I would assume they would take pre-orders on the initial run and then cut them off - or at the very least let people who miss the first run know that they won't get their unit until a few months later.

In any event, when I inquired about the pre-order process they told me it was "first come first served." That might have been a marketing lure, but I took that to mean there wouldn't be an unlimited supply.
sascha.victoria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKrGu5NM6S8

how do you post a youtube?
Morley
triplizard wrote:
Morley wrote:
triplizard wrote:
Morley wrote:
I doubt they have sold out as they haven't built them yet!


You know what I mean - sold the allotment of preorders.


I don;t even think they have that. Producing more is going to be cheaper than producing less I would think UNLESS there are components which cannot be sourced.


Well, I don't know how Buchla operates, but most boutique manufacturers do productions in runs, rather than setting up assembly line type operations, as far as I know.

I would assume they would take pre-orders on the initial run and then cut them off - or at the very least let people who miss the first run know that they won't get their unit until a few months later.

In any event, when I inquired about the pre-order process they told me it was "first come first served." That might have been a marketing lure, but I took that to mean there wouldn't be an unlimited supply.


And you are right to order. I mean it would be stupid to miss the boat if they can't produce quantity BUT I do believe many people who showed interest will back out ($4k is still a lot of cash) and if people are paying $2k upfront, I can't see manufacturing being an issue.
triplizard
sascha.victoria wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKrGu5NM6S8

how do you post a youtube?


Okay, I'll bite. Was there a Music Easel somehow involved in that track? Or did you just want us to check out his awesome moves?
dan_k
triplizard wrote:
sascha.victoria wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKrGu5NM6S8

how do you post a youtube?


Okay, I'll bite. Was there a Music Easel somehow involved in that track? Or did you just want us to check out his awesome moves?


Check the song title.
moog55
hello everyone. new to MW, but not new to "the game", so to speak. been progressing towards building kits and synth DIY and hopefully this leads to designing and building my *own* effects and modules. time will tell...

anyway, just wanted to introduce myself and share my excitement for the new Music Easel. I took the plunge and ordered one today. This coming a day after ordering the MS20 Mini. Expensive week so far lol.
bsmith
cookie?!?
welcome to the monkeyhouse!
Peake
djangosfire wrote:
Peake wrote:

I've always considered that it provides the same number of events as if you used all five fingers on a riff or to control. It's an identifiable range of human gesture(s). I could be reading too deeply into this, however.


Well by that logic.... I better buy a second Easel - one for each hand! Guinness ftw! Rockin' Banana!


But then it's prog rock, which is east coast...head asplodes

8_)
pickleinn
sascha.victoria wrote:
pickleinn wrote:
Rod Serling Fan Club wrote:

Absolutely, I am thinking DIY card to banana break-out box.


Damn it.....i thought i got away from modulars and synth lust as well as DIY and the fun frustration it brings.......

now i am getting sucked back in. Easel deposit made and dreaming of DIY again.

dang it. Dead Banana


nice to see you back pickles.


Thanks thumbs up I tried to resist. Glad to read these crazy threads. I wonder what invoice number we are up to now Dead Banana
triplizard
pickleinn wrote:
I wonder what invoice number we are up to now Dead Banana


I'm 1202. No idea if that translates to 1,202 Easels or just 1,202 orders in general or something else. hmmm.....
amnesia
My friend was #35 if that helps.
BHC303
^ Holly crap
550b
triplizard wrote:
pickleinn wrote:
I wonder what invoice number we are up to now Dead Banana


I'm 1202. No idea if that translates to 1,202 Easels or just 1,202 orders in general or something else. hmmm.....


I'm 1157. Saw a handful of posts confirming Easel orders before I received an invoice. I placed an order a few weeks before the Easel was announced - that invoice number was 1119.
Fidgit
afaik BEMI assigns every order, repair, whatever a consecutive (order) number. so there is no dedicated order number range for easels, 200e modules, lightnings etc.
again, this is my assumption/conclusion from what i observed in this regard.
BHC303
Awave will be selling them here in Australia, so will wait until these land here... This gives me time to source the 4K Dead Banana

Mmmm, do I sell my Voyager XL or TB-303 & TR-606 combo and save the rest...
amnesia
BHC303 wrote:
Awave will be selling them here in Australia, so will wait until these land here... This gives me time to source the 4K Dead Banana

Mmmm, do I sell my Voyager XL or TB-303 & TR-606 combo and save the rest...


sell the 303 before people wise up to the fact you can buy an exact copy BASS BOT
BHC303
mmm

I got original box etc too, what do you think it would be worth? in good nic and works perfectly.
batchas
sascha.victoria wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKrGu5NM6S8

how do you post a youtube?

Click "quote" to look at the source code >>>
• no "s" after "http" (or it is secured and not embeddable)
• embed tags around: [video][/video]



Sorry if it was a joke and I misunderstood your request (I mean you're a long time here on muff, so not sure if this is what you asked, but it might help other friends here too)
opsysbug
triplizard wrote:
pickleinn wrote:
I wonder what invoice number we are up to now Dead Banana


I'm 1202. No idea if that translates to 1,202 Easels or just 1,202 orders in general or something else. hmmm.....


Welcome to the train. You are going to have so much fun with that Buchla! nanners sad banana
I've been travelling in Thailand and Laos for the last few weeks . Wonderful but now time to go home to figure out the finances to down pay on one of these suckers. Maybe I'll try Foxtone...
chrisso
BHC303 wrote:


Mmmm, do I sell my Voyager XL or TB-303 & TR-606 combo and save the rest...


All three.
IMHO
xart
amnesia wrote:
My friend was #35 if that helps.



Just for a benchmark of where you are in line...

(4rom my powers of observat!on and deduct!on thumbs up )

1135 - this would be #2 in the Easle line since orders started on 1/25/13.


Sooooo it looks like to me they use the invoice numbers in order for everything (even returns and send backs for fixed 200e stuff)..

So if we guess that most of the invoices for the 25th are for eazle....they have pre-orders from about 65+/- non-dealer units as of today. . . .

thumbs up
dissonance
xart wrote:

Just for a benchmark of where you are in line...

(4rom my powers of observat!on and deduct!on thumbs up )

1135 - this would be #2 in the Easle line since orders started on 1/25/13.


Sooooo it looks like to me they use the invoice numbers in order for everything (even returns and send backs for fixed 200e stuff)..

So if we guess that most of the invoices from the 25th are for eazle....they have pre-orders from about 65+/- non-dealer units as of today. . . .

thumbs up


Yep . . . This jives with my invoice number and where I was told I am in the queue.
triplizard
So they've already more than doubled the original number of Easels (on pre-order, anyway).

Anybody know why there were only 30 of the originals done? Was there no demand, or did they intentionally cap the number? (Seems odd that Allan Strange would write that incredibly deep manual for only 30 units.)
Morley
triplizard wrote:
So they've already more than doubled the original number of Easels (on pre-order, anyway).

Anybody know why there were only 30 of the originals done? Was there no demand, or did they intentionally cap the number? (Seems odd that Allan Strange would write that incredibly deep manual for only 30 units.)


I would imagine the cost was the reason. I don't know what they cost new, but it would have been a lot of money at the time when compared to say a Minimoog, and much more obscure.
opsysbug
moog55 wrote:
hello everyone. new to MW, but not new to "the game", so to speak. been progressing towards building kits and synth DIY and hopefully this leads to designing and building my *own* effects and modules. time will tell...

anyway, just wanted to introduce myself and share my excitement for the new Music Easel. I took the plunge and ordered one today. This coming a day after ordering the MS20 Mini. Expensive week so far lol.


Uhhh...this is the person I meant to quote. Just wanted to say welcome...
John Noble
Morley wrote:
triplizard wrote:
So they've already more than doubled the original number of Easels (on pre-order, anyway).

Anybody know why there were only 30 of the originals done? Was there no demand, or did they intentionally cap the number? (Seems odd that Allan Strange would write that incredibly deep manual for only 30 units.)


I would imagine the cost was the reason. I don't know what they cost new, but it would have been a lot of money at the time when compared to say a Minimoog, and much more obscure.


It was mentioned elsewhere that the BEMI Easel is only $1000 more than the original. Assuming this is true and the comparison year is 1972, then according to the Inflation Calculator the original Easel was about $15,900.00 in today's dollars.

The Minimoog D was apparently $1,495.00 list price in 1970, which comes out to about $7,900.00 today.
beta
Regarding the new announcement from BEMI-

is it true that the price will be more expensive if purchasing directly through BEMI? If so, where does that leave people who already placed deposits? In light of this, will BEMI be refunding people's deposits who wish to get the same delightful product for a few hundred dollars cheaper from a distributor? Or will they simply credit the invoices for those we already placed orders before this message was announced?
subultresk




woah seriously, i just don't get it zombie
abendrot
who cares about that you will probably get them 6 months earlier hihi
moog55
opsysbug wrote:
moog55 wrote:
hello everyone. new to MW, but not new to "the game", so to speak. been progressing towards building kits and synth DIY and hopefully this leads to designing and building my *own* effects and modules. time will tell...

anyway, just wanted to introduce myself and share my excitement for the new Music Easel. I took the plunge and ordered one today. This coming a day after ordering the MS20 Mini. Expensive week so far lol.


Uhhh...this is the person I meant to quote. Just wanted to say welcome...


thanks, opsysbug! glad to be here. Guinness ftw! the forum is such a wealth of information. not sure how i never got involved here earlier. seriously, i just don't get it
modularland
buying an instrument without hearing it first makes you happy- how happy? as happy as Morton Subotnick dancing with robots

sausmatoe
BHC303 wrote:
Awave will be selling them here in Australia, so will wait until these land here... This gives me time to source the 4K Dead Banana

Mmmm, do I sell my Voyager XL or TB-303 & TR-606 combo and save the rest...


Coolness, did you hear this directly from them?
amnesia
Lewis AWAVE is one of the owners of BEMI
construct09
Wonder what their price will be...
sausmatoe
amnesia wrote:
Lewis AWAVE is one of the owners of BEMI


Wow that's awesome I had no idea
BHC303
sausmatoe wrote:
amnesia wrote:
Lewis AWAVE is one of the owners of BEMI


Wow that's awesome I had no idea


Total radness! nice to see some local activity applause

sausmatoe wrote:
BHC303 wrote:
Awave will be selling them here in Australia, so will wait until these land here... This gives me time to source the 4K Dead Banana

Mmmm, do I sell my Voyager XL or TB-303 & TR-606 combo and save the rest...


Coolness, did you hear this directly from them?


And yeah, I asked him Mr. Green
triplizard
modularland wrote:
buying an instrument without hearing it first makes you happy- how happy? as happy as Morton Subotnick dancing with robots



I guess I'm taking them at their word that it sounds like the original...which I have heard.

(Oh and - I really struggle to get that Geico.campaign. Bodybuilder directing traffic, WTF?)
dkcg
In case you don't look in off topic.

Thought this thread would appreciate this.






And here's the thread I'll post updates in.

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=76738

At least until I get a final.
I'm hoping to make at least a poster size image, probably a stereoscopic one, and maybe eventually a little animation. Mr. Green

And now back to your regular programming.
opsysbug
Now THAT'S back on topic. Thanks! applause
CJ Miller
Re: Weasel

SlayerBadger! Buchla 222e SlayerBadger! Buchla 222e SlayerBadger! Buchla 222e SlayerBadger!
andy
Awesome SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!
bartlebooth
great work! thumbs up
vgermuse
Friggin' awesome! I can't wait for the stop-action feature film hihi thumbs up It's peanut butter jelly time! w00t you rock Guinness ftw!
numan7
dkcg wrote:
In case you don't look in off topic.

Thought this thread would appreciate this.






And here's the thread I'll post updates in.

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=76738

At least until I get a final.
I'm hoping to make at least a poster size image, probably a stereoscopic one, and maybe eventually a little animation. Mr. Green

And now back to your regular programming.


woah that looks awesome, dkcg!

cheers
Minimoog56
Nice D! - still I prefer the Fabulors Freak Brothers/Gilbert Shelton version of the Senor Weasel more than the rendered version above - neat as it is.
gddfp



----> PDF here... (print to any size) (1.2MB)


_g
Slabwax
Thanks for the pdf
chrisso
Very good (to both). we're not worthy
modularland
everyone still want one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy99TnOxC7c
nanotone
modularland wrote:
everyone still want one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy99TnOxC7c

I'm really a big fan of Alessandro but this isn't his best performance. seriously, i just don't get it
subultresk
... i don't get the drift....

seriously, i just don't get it

Is this the professionalized BEMI marketing?
Was YT helpful now?

Fencing
opsysbug
modularland wrote:
everyone still want one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy99TnOxC7c


Urgh...comment removed. Whatever twisted .
Oxix52
modularland wrote:
everyone still want one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy99TnOxC7c


It looks to me like this is an original easel, not one of the new ones. Maybe Alessandro's?
ultrashock
nice video imo. how better could you imagine to present that experimental music box from a non-standard synth-company?
definitely not as in a 'moog/dsi/korg' way, ie, not marveling about the bass fatness of the filters and counting the amount of oscillators and blah-blah-blah Russian Roulette
don't forget though the easel is a self-sufficient synth - its blocks are still pretty primitive (comparing even to non-e systems 200). therefore Cortini did his best involving keyboard, afterwards onboard sequencer, mod. matrix etc.
i can listen that melody (up to 4th minute) all night long!
It's motherfucking bacon yo
opsysbug
Oxix52 wrote:
modularland wrote:
everyone still want one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy99TnOxC7c


It looks to me like this is an original easel, not one of the new ones. Maybe Alessandro's?


But does it not have that "Pirate-y' Logo? Isn't that a new one?
(do we have a Pirate emoticon? I forget)
chrisso
Seems to me the worst thing about the vid is it's shot with camera audio, someway from the sound source and with a lot of ambient clatter going on in the background.
Not something anyone should read too much into.
vgermuse
Oxix52 wrote:
modularland wrote:
everyone still want one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy99TnOxC7c


It looks to me like this is an original easel, not one of the new ones. Maybe Alessandro's?


Yes that was Alessandro's personal Easel.
triplizard
modularland wrote:
everyone still want one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy99TnOxC7c


Yes.
modularland
I was just asking because I'm an active community member and love to hear, affirm, or dispute others :-)

subultresk wrote:
... i don't get the drift....

seriously, i just don't get it

Is this the professionalized BEMI marketing?
Was YT helpful now?

Fencing
opsysbug
modularland wrote:
I was just asking because I'm an active community member and love to hear, affirm, or dispute others :-)


whistlin'
Kent
That's an original Easel, folks.

Also, what does one expect from a tradeshow demo? If one has ever been to NAMM or Musik Messe then one would know that those shows have a constant 70-ish dB ambient noise level at the best of times. It's basically like having a vacuum cleaner running at all times.
I'd be surprised if Mr. Cortini could even hear himself all that well.

Just take it for what it is, oh disgruntled masses.
jvt
Personally I enjoyed the video. Even though this was obviously the original Easel, it makes me realize how much I'll enjoy having something like this quickly accessible for sonic exploration and musical inspiration when I'm away from the 200e.

Not sure I recognize that stomp box. Anyone have an idea what it was?
tailwagger
jvt wrote:
Not sure I recognize that stomp box. Anyone have an idea what it was?


Looks like a Strymon blueSky Reverberator to me.
Lyonel
That’s a Blue Sky Indeed. Cool Alessandro ! thumbs up
blindoldfreak
Forumcat #2 Forumcat #2 Forumcat #2 Forumcat #2
Lyonel wrote:
That’s a Blue Sky Indeed. Cool Alessandro ! thumbs up
chrisso
jvt wrote:
makes me realize how much I'll enjoy having something like this quickly accessible for sonic exploration and musical inspiration


I think that's the very point. thumbs up
phutureboy
Sounds amazing applause
Let's hope the 2013 Easel will sound as good...
jvt
Lyonel wrote:
That’s a Blue Sky Indeed. Cool Alessandro ! thumbs up

Thanks. I hadn't seen one of these before. Pretty impressive little reverb. Stereo even! And the demos I listened to the Strymon site were very nice. I think I may grab one.
MechaSeb
You should check the El Capistan too. I absolutely loved mine !
And yes, nice gig Alessandro. thumbs up
ultrashock
BEMI uploaded new video (part2) of the performance
subultresk
modularland wrote:
I was just asking because I'm an active community member and love to hear, affirm, or dispute others :-)

subultresk wrote:
... i don't get the drift....

seriously, i just don't get it

Is this the professionalized BEMI marketing?
Was YT helpful now?

Fencing


Excuse my broken english, i meant that i don't get the drift about how MV Pro is presenting the Buchla music boxes (i believe it's MV Pro, not BEMI). The information i was able to distill from the videos (thanks for uploading!) reminded me very much of what i had experienced in Frankfurt last year (with the Skylab): a 15000$ instrument with a 2$ headphone - no deeper information, no manual, no....
I was hoping that it will get better, because MV Pro had just bought Buchla then.

As a visitor of such an event (also on YouTube) i expect some more detailed information. I wouldn't say anything, but since the BEMI Logo adorns the A.C. "performance-videos" (with an old Easel) i ask myself if the business conduct of that company will look alike - and: i am afraid of a positive answer to that question - (unanswered sales@-mails after two weeks deepen that impression).

It is possible to do much better presentations - for all involved. The keyword is preparation. Especially in the L.A.-area Buchla has friends and i am sure many of them would even feel honored if they could help. Events like Namm or Musikmesse are hell - of course - that's the platform to deal with if you decide to go there. There are microphone, mixer, cam, monitor/beamer etc. that could be used to focus on certain things (at any rate e.g. a parallel audio line-recording for the video clip). At least an operator who leads the visitors through the instrument would be nice too.

I don't want to speak bad about BEMI or MV Pro - I only would like to say that it hurts, to see something like that.
(because i like Buchla)


But seriously:
the Buchla 100/200/200e manual situation i perceive as ridiculous.
subultresk
P.S.: the sonicstate video is very well done (operator-wise)!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB7RKpmxLnc

(to end more positive...)

w00t
jvt
MechaSeb wrote:
You should check the El Capistan too. I absolutely loved mine !

I saw that. I may grab one later after I've spent some time with the reverb.
muffintop
at the 4.23 when alessandro touches the presetcard(and gets that weird circuit bendy sound), will that be possible to do with new easel?

ultrashock wrote:
BEMI uploaded new video (part2) of the performance
dan_k
muffintop wrote:
at the 4.23 when alessandro touches the presetcard(and gets that weird circuit bendy sound), will that be possible to do with new easel?


Thanks to the inclusion of the card slot and program cards like the original, yes!!!
PF
Very nice performance by Mr Cortini. we're not worthy
FireSpirit
For the Easel freak in all of us:

Surachai's new record is out right away. Chaotic & heavy... just how I like it.

Looks like Alessandro is playing on it as well.


http://surachai.bandcamp.com/


Looking forward to hearing the whole thing on wax!
outoff
whyy!? why I've never heard about Easel before !?
programming card is increadible !
opsysbug
outoff wrote:
whyy!? why I've never heard about Easel before !?
programming card is increadible !


Well stick around. You'll hear about it a lot! Maybe we'll get a Modcan
demo as well lol !
incekt
The best part about the new easel will be the smell...
opsysbug
Oh yes...that smell.. It's motherfucking bacon yo
alka
After the official launch of the new easel perhaps we'll see some limited edition runs... Glass Easel anyone?!... check out that joystick! woah woah woah

DrOctave
Thats not a 218 thats a 212 or 221 i forget
batchas
221 thumbs up
alka
DrOctave wrote:
Thats not a 218 thats a 212 or 221 i forget


I don't care what it is... looks lovely ; ]

Part of the Audities collection... labeled the Buchla Glass Easel
amnesia
Is that the Micronauts version?
Shasta Cults
they made 2 of these clear models. i think the 221 has since been swapped with a 218.. not sure which would have been original for this vintage.. later easels were indeed shipped with a 221
3001
Phew, just got through 75 of these pages in a day, took some effort, and a dent in the couch=) heh

A lot of pre-orders through this. i'm curious what their #s are? I wonder if it'd be wise to create a thread with the MW preorders, see how many people preordered one. are there polls on this forum?

I'm curious who pre-ordered them and how far they're back...I dont think it will be like a voyager...how desirable is this thing anyway? Minimoog is much more useful for many types of music(although never played on an easel). Easel has more other uses it seems, I'm looking forward to mine coming in, I do drones and droney techno so it should fit in my stuff.

But the whole "modular synth for the masses" does that make sense? =) would that ever happen? Do the masses want/need modular synths? I guess this is another thread all together, but curious as to all who ordered it. Like said before, preorder thread with poll so people remain anonymous if they want?
Bulldog24
there are some good news about this amazing product?there will be a preorder list where i can order it?
sersch
amnesia wrote:
Is that the Micronauts version?

Ah…Muffwiggler…the only place where childhood SciFi toys meet futuristic electronic musical instruments…I love it!
amnesia
thumbs up
anselmi
3001 wrote:
"modular synth for the masses" does that make sense? =)


hihi hihi hihi
Bulldog24
no news about the production times?
i will love to have one of this ones...and preorder it grin
but i don't know how to do...some suggestions?
felixer
3001 wrote:
But the whole "modular synth for the masses" does that make sense? =) would that ever happen?

it has been happening for the past 15 years. it's called 'eurorack' lol
batchas
...
batchas
Bulldog24 wrote:
no news about the production times?
i will love to have one of this ones...and preorder it grin
but i don't know how to do...some suggestions?

Google = "order bemi easel"
MDP
Interesting...

http://instagram.com/p/eLkahNqjUr/
seraphon
Very interesting indeed...
thesnow
perks of being in nin.
FoxtoneMusic
See.... they do exist!
Todd Barton brought his new production Easel to Knobcon this past weekend and let everyone check it out. He played an unbelievable set on Friday night with it and had a great clinic Saturday going over all the juicy details.
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djangosfire
FoxtoneMusic wrote:
See.... they do exist!
Todd Barton brought his new production Easel to Knobcon this past weekend and let everyone check it out. He played an unbelievable set on Friday night with it and had a great clinic Saturday going over all the juicy details.
ANY.......FUCKING............DAY.................NOW...............[im g][/img]


Great picture! I got to visit with Todd and play this Easel earlier this week here in Oregon w00t SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!

Also, dropped into BEMI HQ (picking up a box of cables) - great group of people there - working hard and genuinely excited to get these Easels out the door ASAP.

Yea, the New Easel is really going to be fun smile

love love
ws9848
djangosfire wrote:
FoxtoneMusic wrote:
See.... they do exist!
Todd Barton brought his new production Easel to Knobcon this past weekend and let everyone check it out. He played an unbelievable set on Friday night with it and had a great clinic Saturday going over all the juicy details.
ANY.......FUCKING............DAY.................NOW...............[im g][/img]


Great picture! I got to visit with Todd and play this Easel earlier this week here in Oregon w00t SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!

Also, dropped into BEMI HQ (picking up a box of cables) - great group of people there - working hard and genuinely excited to get these Easels out the door ASAP.

Yea, the New Easel is really going to be fun smile

love love



did they say how much longer they think it's going to be?
xart
Interesting observation from A/B testing over the weekend...

The Easel is the same size as the synthi (just slightly thicker)...

(way better quality case than the shitty EMS....but goofy BEMI logo..on the front bringing not needed attention to your shit when traveling... I could do without the logo embedded in the plastic)


tu:

Believe the hype....its ridiculously fun.
pickleinn
glad to see some positive energy back around this awesome opportunity to own this synth! I cant wait.
sascha.victoria
It feels like production prototypes are out to the select few and not production units to customers. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller...
prscrptn
Got some hands on time this instrument at Knobcon... one word, AMAZING! Possibly the most beautiful synth I have ever seen, sounds wonderful, and a joy to play. w00t

fredguy
sascha.victoria wrote:
It feels like production prototypes are out to the select few and not production units to customers. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller...


Next week for sure. Or soon, take your pick.
Different week same answer.

The lack of communication is ridiculous.

I've bought 3 basses from a small builder
and other than the first the deliveries slipped
due to their growing popularity. Even as a one
man shop he sent out periodic updates, photos
of the basses in process. None of the customers
bitched, nothing but raves as the basses were delivered.

All it takes is being honest with the customers, they'll
understand. It's a new product, there's going to be issues.
One email a week, taking all of 10 minutes, sent to
all the people on the list explaining what's going on and
updating the delivery status goes a long way.

One oh fuck, travels a lot farther than 1000 atta boys.
batchas
FoxtoneMusic wrote:
See.... they do exist!

I meant "else than a proto"... razz
Real means when the people who ordered one have it in their hands.

I am glad Todd can play with it. I hope BEMI did give him as a gift because it is the best promo they could dream of. It's also the best way to make people wait while showing them the same proto every one or two weeks.





Anyway, good to show that the wait will be worth for all who ordered.
gigasturtz
sooooooooooooooo. Just going to be THAT guy: Has anyone heard anything? hmmm.....
ttown23
gigasturtz wrote:
sooooooooooooooo. Just going to be THAT guy: Has anyone heard anything? hmmm.....


Hey I predicted September 31st, 2013 in that thread, and will be waiting for everyone to be PayPal'ing me when what I said comes to pass applause
Reality Checkpoint
ttown23 wrote:
gigasturtz wrote:
sooooooooooooooo. Just going to be THAT guy: Has anyone heard anything? hmmm.....


Hey I predicted September 31st, 2013 in that thread, and will be waiting for everyone to be PayPal'ing me when what I said comes to pass applause


There is no such date as September 31st!

What could you possibly mean.................... hihi
dopefiend
He meant February 31st. Or at least that's what I predict..... cry
jeroblex
Modular Wild Presents Todd Barton "Unfolding the Buchla Music Easel"

check this video on youtube!
vegas7188
So not sure which thread to post this in given the number of Easel threads!

But i noticed from Todd Barton's photo in the Todd Barton Lecture thread:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93457&postdays=0&pos torder=asc&start=30

that under the control heading the switch now selects between remote and local but not both as on older pictures i have seen. I wonder why the change?

Also in the inverter section and the pre-amp/envelope detector section there are inputs "to card" and one for "from card" does anyone know what these do/are for? i can't remember if they were on the original Easel pictures i have seen?

Thanks!
Guidotoons
vegas7188 wrote:

that under the control heading the switch now selects between remote and local but not both as on older pictures i have seen. I wonder why the change?

Also in the inverter section and the pre-amp/envelope detector section there are inputs "to card" and one for "from card" does anyone know what these do/are for? i can't remember if they were on the original Easel pictures i have seen?

Thanks!


As for the selector switch, I dunno why they don't offer both.

But the to card/from card stuff is to invert the signal from the card, IIRC.


I must admit I am not all that thrilled with the look of the new panel. The graphics look kind of puny & cheap compared to the old one and it appears the nomenclature is different as well. And they have swapped the freq/modulation sections of the mod osc. No big deal, I guess.

I do like the range switch, though. I used my mod osc. for audio on my old one.
Guidotoons
Those behind #1144 will be stoked to know that I have cancelled my order.

My number is not "for sale", however.

I just don't like what I'm seeing/hearing from the scant information we have seen.

I will wait and see what happens.

Your mileage may vary.
triplizard
Guidotoons wrote:
Those behind #1144 will be stoked to know that I have cancelled my order.

My number is not "for sale", however.

I just don't like what I'm seeing/hearing from the scant information we have seen.

I will wait and see what happens.

Your mileage may vary.


Cool! I just moved up a spot. hihi
fredguy
Guidotoons wrote:


I just don't like what I'm seeing/hearing from the scant information we have seen.



I feel like I'm stuck somewhere between
Samuel Beckett and Bill Murray.
pelican
I can get a KILLER deal on one just have to find the cash
abendrot
Any idea how many of the programm crads will be included
with the easel and ho much additional cards will cost?

Still thinking about the Easel but want my Skylab finished
before I buy it.
Slabwax
Rumor has it 4-5 cards. At one time one of the cards was going to come preprogramed. But I heard that might not be the case anymore. I've not heard anything on cost for extra cards. When the Easel was first announced they talked about a blue tooth Ipad card and the number I heard about that was $500. I guess we will see.
ttown23
fredguy wrote:
Guidotoons wrote:


I just don't like what I'm seeing/hearing from the scant information we have seen.



I feel like I'm stuck somewhere between
Samuel Beckett and Bill Murray.


Best post ever! applause
abendrot
5 would be cool. i hope that additional card are not more than 20$
as it is just a PCB without components.
fluxmonkey
abendrot wrote:
5 would be cool. i hope that additional card are not more than 20$
as it is just a PCB without components.


this is something that could easily be done as diy/group buy, so i'd think low-cost cards would be available one way or the other.

would be a cool after-market opportunity for folks to build unique functions onto cards and sell 'em... theremineasle? drum interface (bongo ov course)?
djangosfire
fluxmonkey wrote:

would be a cool after-market opportunity for folks to build unique functions onto cards and sell 'em... theremineasle? drum interface (bongo ov course)?


YES EXACTLY..... many evil awesome ideas/plans along these lines w00t w00t
mckenic
Never had ANY inclinations towards Buchla - never even seen/heard one IRL and of course the cost kept it on the unobtainable golden floaty out of reach cloud...

That Todd Barton lecture has stoked some fires... and if I could get one from the US... $4k could be just within reach...

very frustrating & hyper

Cant wait to see/hear what you all do when yours arrive!
thumbs up
Kingnimrod
Is there an actual ETA or any current info on these from the manufacturer? All I see is some third party info here and there, and some kind of iffy info from dealers - it doesn't give one the greatest confidence to outlay the cash when the official web page for the product comes back with a 404 error message.

Is there even full info about the features/ what is included with the easel, or comprehensive photos of the whole thing? Is the manufacturer at all responsive to requests about the status of production?

I'm possibly interested in buying one of these, but comparing the rollout of this to how other synths/modules are introduced is somewhat of a contrast.

Has the company that took over Buchla been satisfactorily delivering the other Buchla products, and manufacturing them to the same or higher standards?

I'm not trolling here, just trying to get a grip on the situation before I say goodbye to a chunk of cash.
sersch
I'm too tired to sum it up, so I recommend to read this very thread.
Zeitdehner
vegas7188 wrote:


But i noticed from Todd Barton's photo in the Todd Barton Lecture thread:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93457&postdays=0&pos torder=asc&start=30

that under the control heading the switch now selects between remote and local but not both as on older pictures i have seen. I wonder why the change?


Could it be that the Control switch in Remote position is by default functionally equal to Both ? ... just a simple On/Off switch for the Program board... Would make sense, wouldn't it ?
Also, in the same line of thinking ... On the original Music Easel, with the Control switch in the Program board position, are the front panel controls disabled (except for the output section and the keyboard ?...) ? If so, what would be the interest of such a mode with a performance oriented instrument hmmm.....
Yet another question... I've read somwhere around here that the output section has been redesigned and that the two final audio outputs now offer dual mono ( L&R)... If so, does this mean that each output (L&R) are internally tied to the channel A and Channel B output level controls ( with reverb equally applied to both channels) or are channels A & B mixed together, routed through the reverb and then the output of the reverb simply duplicated to the left and right final outputs ? Sorry, but it just isn't clear to me yet... Is there a flow chart of some sorts showing the output section's internal routing of the new Easel (and of the original, for comparison) ?
alka
Zeitdehner wrote:
vegas7188 wrote:


But i noticed from Todd Barton's photo in the Todd Barton Lecture thread:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93457&postdays=0&pos torder=asc&start=30

that under the control heading the switch now selects between remote and local but not both as on older pictures i have seen. I wonder why the change?


Could it be that the Control switch in Remote position is by default functionally equal to Both ? ... just a simple On/Off switch for the Program board... Would make sense, wouldn't it ?
Also, in the same line of thinking ... On the original Music Easel, with the Control switch in the Program board position, are the front panel controls disabled (except for the output section and the keyboard ?...) ? If so, what would be the interest of such a mode with a performance oriented instrument hmmm.....
Yet another question... I've read somwhere around here that the output section has been redesigned and that the two final audio outputs now offer dual mono ( L&R)... If so, does this mean that each output (L&R) are internally tied to the channel A and Channel B output level controls ( with reverb equally applied to both channels) or are channels A & B mixed together, routed through the reverb and then the output of the reverb simply duplicated to the left and right final outputs ? Sorry, but it just isn't clear to me yet... Is there a flow chart of some sorts showing the output section's internal routing of the new Easel (and of the original, for comparison) ?


From another post:
vgermuse wrote:
stega wrote:
Its my understanding (may be wrong) that there is a 3 way switch there and the middle; although unmarked is both and works...?

+1
vegas7188
aha that seems very hopeful thanks Alka, i had missed that bit of info.
alka
vegas7188 wrote:
aha that seems very hopeful thanks Alka, i had missed that bit of info.


No problem. I was happy to hear that they did not eliminate it as it seemed like a really smart option to retain. I'm assuming that if Todd Barton +1'd it, that the information is true.
triplizard
Zeitdehner wrote:
Could it be that the Control switch in Remote position is by default functionally equal to Both ? ... just a simple On/Off switch for the Program board... Would make sense, wouldn't it ?
Also, in the same line of thinking ... On the original Music Easel, with the Control switch in the Program board position, are the front panel controls disabled (except for the output section and the keyboard ?...) ? If so, what would be the interest of such a mode with a performance oriented instrument hmmm.....


Entirely possible that I'm misunderstanding your question, but having a separate options for "just card" would be essential if you wanted to actually use a card as a preset/patch storage. If the only option was both - where it "adds" the value from the card with the panel - then you'd always have to adjust the front panel settings to a neutral position to get the sound pre-set on the card. Unless, of course, the value from the panel controls were only added after a control was moved (what do they call that, momentary controls?) like on everything after the P5. I guess that would be cool, but I've not seen anything to indicate that's how the Easel operates.
SunSpots
Vapor ware.... (hides) Dinner at the Y
xart
SunSpots wrote:
Vapor ware.... (hides) Dinner at the Y



Yes, like the Jones Modular Video Synth hihi
opsysbug
xart wrote:
SunSpots wrote:
Vapor ware.... (hides) Dinner at the Y



Yes, like the Jones Modular Video Synth hihi


Hey I played a Jones Modular video synth in 1998! I have VHS to prove it! hihi
Music Easel will come. I think those guys are just in WAY over their heads.
Maybe afraid to talk about it. I figure it's cool either I get music Easel by end of the year or they owe me 4K worth nice Buchla modules.
Imagine when the FIRST ones ship. Or even the notice of shipping. We
will of course know it here because we are synth gossip ol' ladies.
We will MY ASS IS BLEEDING .
papz
nothing in this post sorry
ttown23
opsysbug wrote:
xart wrote:
SunSpots wrote:
Vapor ware.... (hides) Dinner at the Y



Yes, like the Jones Modular Video Synth hihi


Hey I played a Jones Modular video synth in 1998! I have VHS to prove it! hihi
Music Easel will come. I think those guys are just in WAY over their heads.
Maybe afraid to talk about it. I figure it's cool either I get music Easel by end of the year or they owe me 4K worth nice Buchla modules.
Imagine when the FIRST ones ship. Or even the notice of shipping. We
will of course know it here because we are synth gossip ol' ladies.
We will MY ASS IS BLEEDING .


Yes I'm the one who predicted that the first one will be in someone's hands on Sept. 30th. Remember that, because we started a lotto and I'm supposed to get massive PayPals if I'm right wink
Fidgit
the mails asking for the transfer of the pending second payment were sent out by BEMI. at least for the first batch of easels.
tailwagger
My check is in the mail. screaming goo yo
xart
SunSpots wrote:
Vapor ware.... (hides) Dinner at the Y



stega
xart wrote:
SunSpots wrote:
Vapor ware.... (hides) Dinner at the Y





Me next!!
xart
stega wrote:
Me next!!


and your not even in NIN hihi






thumbs up
dangorange
love
stega
LOL @ the box. Kinda funny the list the features.
xart
stega wrote:
LOL @ the box. Kinda funny the list the features.



ok....ill stop....un-boxing photos are pretty ghay . . .thumbs up

mckenic
PLEASE dont!
krv
hmmmmmm Guinness ftw!
prscrptn
...for once, an un-boxing is somewhat exciting! w00t
analogueheart
thumbs up xart
Uhm, so I want to come over and Check it out.
Still waiting for a damn reply from dem fools.
Slabwax
Go on, more photos. At least we can see what someday we might receive.
xart
analogueheart wrote:
thumbs up xart
Uhm, so I want to come over and Check it out.


My parole officer does not allow visitors to my sekret location....but if you wake up early sunday ill bring it when I go out for coffee and we will do a live action inside the cultural center lobby at randolph and michigan (I go inside and read the newspaper and my books on sunday) ...hopefully I will not break it by then....im trying really really hard to blow it up...or at least make it smoke thumbs up


ok....one more hihi


SunSpots
xart wrote:
SunSpots wrote:
Vapor ware.... (hides) Dinner at the Y





This is awesome. I'm really glad they're showing up. I might even buy one next year if they're ready to ship by then lol lol
Zeitdehner
Tell us about the smell ... Mr. Green
pickleinn
So does this mean we are in full bore production? Will we see 5 a week go out?
harolddonnelly
Cool box! Haha
analogueheart
xart wrote:
analogueheart wrote:
thumbs up xart
Uhm, so I want to come over and Check it out.


My parole officer does not allow visitors to my sekret location....but if you wake up early sunday ill bring it when I go out for coffee and we will do a live action inside the cultural center lobby at randolph and michigan (I go inside and read the newspaper and my books on sunday) ...hopefully I will not break it by then....im trying really really hard to blow it up...or at least make it smoke thumbs up


ok....one more hihi

I may have to take you up on. That.
pelican
Looks so good. What all did it end up coming with?
sersch
Congrats!

Do you have a pic of the Easel suitcase inside its cardboard box?
amnesia
is this an ordered Easel or a test model?
prscrptn
parasitk
Gaaah.
moog55
holy shit! i must not be far behind...
vegas7188
ooh nice!
what's on the cd?
is it good??!?
any other interesting new details?
very exciting.
MDP
I don't want to be pushy or rude or anything, but...

WE NEED MO' PHOTOS AND DETAILZ

we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy
Peake
Dono-Kun Dance The Chewbacca Defense Dono-Kun Dance The Chewbacca Defense Dono-Kun Dance
abendrot
PHOTOS!!!! DETAILS!!!!! Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana
construct09
Does it work?????? hyper
steamroom
this has been all hard to follow, ha, so... around what number do you think "the first round" goes up to? ballpark...
parasitk
Obviously the CD is for installing the VST for use with this MIDI controller. hihi
xart




The best touch is the buchla travel shaving kit included..

thumbs up
Slabwax
parasitk wrote:
Obviously the CD is for installing the VST for use with this MIDI controller. hihi


I thought it was for loading up a collection of Subotnick samples.
pelican
There is no printed manual?...just the cd
opsysbug
pelican wrote:
There is no printed manual?...just the cd


Maybe its the paper with the pics? lol
xart
vegas7188 wrote:
ooh nice!
what's on the cd?
is it good??!?
any other interesting new details?


seriously, i just don't get it

why u asking me? do you guys actually play with these things? I just like to take pictures of this shit with my cat and post it to the interwebz to impress hot young indie guys! Lotsa Love
amnesia
vegas7188 wrote:
ooh nice!
what's on the cd?


A selection of Ewen McTeagals pottery...... Ah I mean poetry.
amnesia
Does the lid come off?
xart
amnesia wrote:
Does the lid come off?



thumbs up

Slabwax
WOW!! is all I have to say.
Votek_Mendo
love
klontart
omfg...
MDP
artisan
DUDE, XART! WAY TO RUB IT IN!
construct09
xart wrote:
amnesia wrote:
Does the lid come off?



thumbs up




love What a gorgeous pair
klontart
More than I can handle really. wink
michaelvertex
xart wrote:
amnesia wrote:
Does the lid come off?



thumbs up



nice flowers
ws9848
it's beautiful
phisynth
what is it ? seriously, i just don't get it
moog55
fucking awesome, xart.
Zeitdehner
Oh man, Xart... that sure is one hot couple...two of the most charismatic portable synths of all time ! thumbs up
parasitk
Awww fuck man
phutureboy
xart wrote:


Too bad the handle is not the same side as the one on the synthi...

When can we expect your first video ?
djs
phutureboy wrote:
When can we expect your first video ?


will it blend?
xart
amnesia wrote:
is this an ordered Easel or a test model?



This is an ordered Easel - not a test unit, not a prototype - not given to me because I can bench press more than trent reznor.... I am not even a musician.... Just "some dude" who likes to make art in his spare time and hates sports . thumbs up


I will give some thoughts on this thing....what else is this forum for besides talking shit and telling half truths thumbs up


If you live near me...I would love to jam with you.....in fact today
prscrptn is in town and we are going to hook up somewhere and I will show him my ninja easel skillz I have learned in the past 24 hours...


Video and MP3'z - bother trash audio twit Surachai about this NOT ME...he lives for lame ass synth videos - it bores the shit out of me. (im lazy I only take photos from my cellyphone. thumbs up

Surachai
if you are reading this - lets hook-up today? and make some of your stoopid videos for that dumb trash audio - you need more original content for that dumb website thumbs up

I will post some random thoughts on this thing - guaranteed this is going to be the most controversial fartbox on the interwebz when they really get into the hands of people...

thumbs up
xart
parasitk wrote:
Obviously the CD is for installing the VST for use with this MIDI controller. hihi



Plus - an updated 2013 Programming and MetaProgramming the Electro Organsim: An Operating Directive for the Music Easel

But thats not all.....included on the CD is an EXCELLENT video tutorial by Todd Barton ....BEMI really needs to post this up on youtubez or the BEMI website ASAP ....lots of questions will be answered and it will be a good sales tool.

The easel is 100% all about the interface and the video will get you started fast.... thumbs up
dopefiend
Heavily aroused.....dripping bodily fluids..... love love

BTW, xart, I have a question about it: can the EG allow for continuous, indefinite sustain when in sustain mode?
Slabwax
It looks like 5 cards are included. What is the cable / jumper count?
Morley
dopefiend wrote:
Heavily aroused.....dripping bodily fluids..... love love

BTW, xart, I have a question about it: can the EG allow for continuous, indefinite sustain when in sustain mode?

Yes when held.
dopefiend
Morley wrote:
dopefiend wrote:
Heavily aroused.....dripping bodily fluids..... love love

BTW, xart, I have a question about it: can the EG allow for continuous, indefinite sustain when in sustain mode?

Yes when held.




Sure, when held. Should have specified that.

Just curious. Do the vintage ones do it as well?
elmegil
xart wrote:
But thats not all.....included on the CD is an EXCELLENT video tutorial by Todd Barton ....BEMI really needs to post this up on youtubez or the BEMI website ASAP ....lots of questions will be answered and it will be a good sales tool.


Any thoughts on how the video compares to Todd's presentation at Knobcon (available on Youtube at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U6kPTszTxvo )
Morley
dopefiend wrote:
Morley wrote:
dopefiend wrote:
Heavily aroused.....dripping bodily fluids..... love love

BTW, xart, I have a question about it: can the EG allow for continuous, indefinite sustain when in sustain mode?

Yes when held.




Sure, when held. Should have specified that.

Just curious. Do the vintage ones do it as well?


Yes! You have Sustained, Transient and off.
richard
phutureboy wrote:

Too bad the handle is not the same side as the one on the synthi...


I agree, what a load of fucking shit. Life is nothing but misery and disappointment. Send it back immediately!! hihi
djangosfire
richard wrote:
phutureboy wrote:

Too bad the handle is not the same side as the one on the synthi...


I agree, what a load of fucking shit. Life is nothing but misery and disappointment. Send it back immediately!! hihi


lolspew thumbs up
Slabwax
And you Mr djangosfire , Where do you stand on this Easel shipment?
djangosfire
Slabwax wrote:
And you Mr djangosfire , Where do you stand on this Easel shipment?


Trust me, you'll know when it has arrived here hyper

Can't wait!!! I do know it's close. . . . . . . . . thumbs up
dan_p
richard wrote:
phutureboy wrote:

Too bad the handle is not the same side as the one on the synthi...


I agree, what a load of fucking shit. Life is nothing but misery and disappointment. Send it back immediately!! hihi


Nah, send it to me, I'm really happy and everything is great at the moment. I could do with some misery in my life. Fucking shitty handle, bastards, that would irk me beyond reason.
digidennis
1 down.. 399 to go
Umcorps
Errrr 400 actually. w00t
Kingnimrod
So, one is out there.

It's frustrating that there is just about nil official info out there. I would imagine that there are a lot of people on the fence like myself, waiting, thinking about ordering but feeling unsure about things.

Surely BEMI knows they should update their website with some real info, maybe put out a statement about realistic delivery times. It'd be nice to think that there is a real organization behind this thing.
fredguy
Kingnimrod wrote:
So, one is out there.

It's frustrating that there is just about nil official info out there. I would imagine that there are a lot of people on the fence like myself, waiting, thinking about ordering but feeling unsure about things.

Surely BEMI knows they should update their website with some real info, maybe put out a statement about realistic delivery times. It'd be nice to think that there is a real organization behind this thing.


I bet BEMI is fine with people on the fence at his point. No need for more
orders until the backlog gets under control. Then I'm sure there will be more
info, a web page, etc.
MechaSeb
Congrats Xart. thumbs up
What is your general feeling about manufacturing quality of the unit ? (Especially the 218).
xart
MechaSeb wrote:
Congrats Xart. thumbs up
What is your general feeling about manufacturing quality of the unit ? (Especially the 218).




Generally good.

The general quality is what we have come to expect from buchla. (loaded answer I know) The Easel is part surface mount / part hand assembly -like the 200e....still a HUMAN factor is assembly. (for better or worse - humans make more mistakes)

Is it "Serge" quality - no. Is it on par with what is going on in the "Modular synth world" yes.

I 'dissected' the 208 to fix some small fit and function issues with a fellow list member (speak up fellow list member) thumbs up and we got a pretty good idea of what is going on.... what needs to be improved and what will not work when we abuse the unit by traveling with it. (and I am going to travel with it every day on public transportation for the next 60 days to find out)

Will some changes me made to manufacturing - yes I think (hope) so...

Do we have any show stoppers? - no way.

What is the quality of the 218? - EXCELLENT! - way - way - way - way - way better than the Serge TKB IMO.

The more I use it the more I will have to say...

Are we getting our money worth...yes.

Is this going to be a game changer...Hopefully. When you sit down talk to a long time Easel user like Charles Cohen he will not talk about the sound so much - he will talk about the INTERFACE... well he is correct and now I understand why. The Easel is hopefully going to change (help) other manufacturers understand interface design. 90% of what we use (modular synths) have a horrible interface. Example: Is the easel better than the make noise shared system for the same money? Well no the wiard woggle and make noise are NEW designs with a more modern sound....is the easel more fun to play and a better design - yes 100000x better. Is the Woggle Bug better than the flavors of random on easel? - YES the woggle bug is better - BUT both the 300 series and make noise interface are just plain BAD.... the easel is elegant - easy to understand and just makes sense. (and I respect and use Wiard and make noise)

For the first time I *really* understand what it means that buchla designs from the outside in. Its that cool...and it will just "click"....the easel is so simple and basic - and easy to get really creative....

(the funny thing about this is that I did not open the manual or video tutorial for the first hour - I was more lost with the easel than with ANY other modular I have ever used...after reading and watching the excellent Todd Barton CD-ROM included... I now think Don's design is beyond genius....its so SIMPLE and EFFECTIVE.

Am I a Buchla fan boy - well yes the 200e is "my favorite". Am I critical of buchla and think there is room for improvement - yes read the archives for my past critical buchla rants and keep watching this space.
thumbs up
opsysbug
Thanks for the answers! I'm excited.
xart
elmegil wrote:
xart wrote:
But thats not all.....included on the CD is an EXCELLENT video tutorial by Todd Barton ....BEMI really needs to post this up on youtubez or the BEMI website ASAP ....lots of questions will be answered and it will be a good sales tool.


Any thoughts on how the video compares to Todd's presentation at Knobcon (available on Youtube at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U6kPTszTxvo )



Todd's presentation at knobcon was good...but the video tutorial is excellent...it will get you going quickly. BEMI - if you are reading this POST IT TO THE WEB and hopefully other manufacturers will follow your lead.

thumbs up
shecky2w
...A perfect little case. I am saving my pennies...
krv
Thanks for your deep analysis, Xart
Slabwax
Xart, Thanks for the mini review.
Guidotoons
Yes, thanks, Xart!

Cheers and have fun wif it!
MechaSeb
Thank you very much for jour feed-back Xart.
Yes, have fun with it now
John Noble
xart wrote:
both the 300 series and make noise interface are just plain BAD....


not this shit again
Oxix52
It's great to see an easel "in the wild" finally. I wonder if others have shipped also? I hope mine is not far behind!

Thank you very much for the pictures and thoughts on the easel! thumbs up
DrOctave
thanks for the info. i on the other hand canceled my order last week and am useing the money to build my 200e. if i didnt have a 208r i dont think i would have canceled.
prscrptn
OK, just to follow-up with Xart's comments...

New Easel is great, well built (...a couple of small issues, but BEMI is aware, nothing major).

Sound is excellent, very present and the EG's are loads of fun! thumbs up

Keyboard is very responsive, I would say better than TKB and 223e.

The case is rugged and attractive (...of course a zero case is sexier); but since I'm going to travel with this instrument, ABS is lighter and will hold up better over time.

Overall it's a great package for the price and very Buchla! Woot! w00t
drewskee
The Easel (though I don't yet own one) was designed as a self contained "instrument" the way that some of the best synths we know have been....Minimoog, EMS Synthi, ARP 2600 and Oddesy, Korg MS-20, EML 101. (All from the 1970's)

It seems to be the art of what IS included as well as what is NOT included knowing there are inherent limitations to the design. But when what is there is designed right it just seems to click and gel and you feel like its an "instrument" rather than just modules.

It's an art and the designs seem to stand the test of time...

xart wrote:

Is this going to be a game changer...Hopefully. When you sit down talk to a long time Easel user like Charles Cohen he will not talk about the sound so much - he will talk about the INTERFACE... well he is correct and now I understand why. The Easel is hopefully going to change (help) other manufacturers understand interface design.... the easel is elegant - easy to understand and just makes sense. (and I respect and use Wiard and make noise)

For the first time I *really* understand what it means that buchla designs from the outside in. Its that cool...and it will just "click"....the easel is so simple and basic - and easy to get really creative....

I now think Don's design is beyond genius....its so SIMPLE and EFFECTIVE.
drewskee
The Easel (though I don't yet own one) was designed as a self contained "instrument" the way that some of the best synths we know have been....Minimoog, EMS Synthi, ARP 2600 and Oddesy, Korg MS-20, EML 101. (All from the 1970's)

It seems to be the art of what IS included as well as what is NOT included knowing there are inherent limitations to the design. But when what is there is designed right it just seems to click and gel and you feel like its an "instrument" rather than just modules.

It's an art and the designs seem to stand the test of time...

xart wrote:

Is this going to be a game changer...Hopefully. When you sit down talk to a long time Easel user like Charles Cohen he will not talk about the sound so much - he will talk about the INTERFACE... well he is correct and now I understand why. The Easel is hopefully going to change (help) other manufacturers understand interface design.... the easel is elegant - easy to understand and just makes sense. (and I respect and use Wiard and make noise)

For the first time I *really* understand what it means that buchla designs from the outside in. Its that cool...and it will just "click"....the easel is so simple and basic - and easy to get really creative....

I now think Don's design is beyond genius....its so SIMPLE and EFFECTIVE.
xart
prscrptn wrote:

Keyboard is very responsive, I would say better than TKB and 223e.



This is where I disagree....I keep trying to use LOCATION on the 218 hihi hmmm..... ..the 223e still r00lz.


(big thanks to prscrptn btw - he braved the dope deals and craigslist call girls in my lobby all afternoon as we dissected the easel with cheap screwdrivers! thumbs up )
prscrptn
xart wrote:
prscrptn wrote:

Keyboard is very responsive, I would say better than TKB and 223e.



This is where I disagree....I keep trying to use LOCATION on the 218 hihi hmmm..... ..the 223e still r00lz.


OK, let's clarify here... the 222e/223e have far greater capabilities than the 218, fo sho!

...but the touch sensitivity of the 218 is much more responsive than the 200e control surface.

I would definitely not trade or replace my 223e with a 218, but it is EXTREMELY playable and fun! thumbs up
phutureboy
Question to xart : as far as you could see, are the modules removable as in a regular cabinet ? I mean, do you understand it could be possible to remove the 218 keyboard in a clean/simple/cabinet way and sometimes replace it by other Buchla modules for example ?
djangosfire
phutureboy wrote:
Question to xart : as far as you could see, are the modules removable as in a regular cabinet ? I mean, do you understand it could be possible to remove the 218 keyboard in a clean/simple/cabinet way and sometimes replace it by other Buchla modules for example ?


Wow - great question!
xart
phutureboy wrote:
Question to xart : as far as you could see, are the modules removable as in a regular cabinet ? I mean, do you understand it could be possible to remove the 218 keyboard in a clean/simple/cabinet way and sometimes replace it by other Buchla modules for example ?


Yes. lots and lots and lots of wasted space in the 218 boat for smuggling weed when you are on "tour" playing your shitty avant garden musicks to 3 high art students in a basement! thumbs up

(gotta pay the bills - you sure as hell aint gonna do it as a professional buchla player hihi )
thumbs up

prscrptn even thinks he can make it fit in a 201e. (but I think he has been hanging around Rex too long talking about Corsets + Viking Gurlz. thumbs up

Here are some CELLYPHONE shots for scale (i have cool modulars - not cool camera and really cheap shoes thumbs up :






prscrptn
phutureboy wrote:
...as far as you could see, are the modules removable as in a regular cabinet ? I mean, do you understand it could be possible to remove the 218 keyboard in a clean/simple/cabinet way and sometimes replace it by other Buchla modules for example ?


...it looks like the 208 would fit in a normal boat, but we did not measure or test this. We opened the unit and looked inside, but did not remove the 218 and see what was going on behind the scenes.
phutureboy
I'd love to know the answer, so please keep us posted !
xart
The real fun is going to begin when people start working on (and trading!) the program cards! This is explained as a "how to" in the manual...and its pretty damn easy. I am going to start working on my SUPER SAW trance lead card and 303 PHAT BASS card this weekend! thumbs up


RE: the 218 material - it is plastic PCB material...But it does not "flex" like the 223e..the 218 is way more rigid.
phutureboy
Isn't there a way to "save" your patches in the computer ? Like as a sysex file or some kind of Buchla format file ?
xart
phutureboy wrote:
Isn't there a way to "save" your patches in the computer ? Like as a sysex file or some kind of Buchla format file ?


Not yet..BUT yes they are talking about bluetooth and ipad integration that will allow you to program on your iPad. This was announced last year as a $500 option I think?
phutureboy
OK, let's wait and see on this end.
So does it look like you can unscrew the keyboard module and put some other modules there ?
xart
phutureboy wrote:
OK, let's wait and see on this end.
So does it look like you can unscrew the keyboard module and put some other modules there ?



Yes...but this boat is where the psu and all of the useless MIDI junk is located thumbs up
prscrptn
You may be able to fit the 218 in a 4u, fitting the 208 in a 4u is questionable, but putting other modules in the Easel briefcase is highly unlikely.
phutureboy
I see. Thanks.
sascha.victoria
Can you still plug the card in and touch it to tweak the sound?
gigasturtz
sascha.victoria wrote:
Can you still plug the card in and touch it to tweak the sound?


i'm sure, since you are just connecting different spots on the board with your finger.
xart
sascha.victoria wrote:
Can you still plug the card in and touch it to tweak the sound?


If you put the card in (a blank card in my case in LOCAL - yes a blank card in Remote - no......(i assume since my card is blank now?)

The middle setting on the toggle i can tweak if the card is in.....(but the midle setting is not marked on the panel (and it is a 3 point toggle)

Now if I have a blank card in local and touch the pcb and pretend I'm Qubais Reed Ghazala.....bending with my fingers on the traces I get pitch shifts and things....but nothing too interesting to make me want to explore this....

I have been asked this by several people off muffs....so there must some controversy surrounding this??? hmmm..... ....what did the original do?

This may be in the manual? who knows Im not gonna read it yet...not enough pictures and too many words.
moogboy
xart wrote:

I have been asked this by several people off muffs....so there must some controversy must surrounding this??? hmmm..... ....what did the original do?

This may be in the manual? who knows Im not gonna read it yet...not enough pictures and too many words.


I believe that it comes from one of the rare as rocking horse shit Charles Cohen videos. He is/was known to fiddle with the program card to get extra noises out of it.
amnesia
Can we see the MIDI port plz?
vgermuse
xart wrote:
sascha.victoria wrote:
Can you still plug the card in and touch it to tweak the sound?


If you put the card in (a blank card in my case in LOCAL - yes a blank card in Remote - no......(i assume since my card is blank now?)

The middle setting on the toggle i can tweak if the card is in.....(but the midle setting is not marked on the panel (and it is a 3 point toggle)

Now if I have a blank card in local and touch the pcb and pretend I'm Qubais Reed Ghazala.....bending with my fingers on the traces I get pitch shifts and things....but nothing too interesting to make me want to explore this....

I have been asked this by several people off muffs....so there must some controversy surrounding this??? hmmm..... ....what did the original do?

This may be in the manual? who knows Im not gonna read it yet...not enough pictures and too many words.


Yes you can use body capacitance to modulate the card once it is somewhat populated -- certain connections seem to work better than others. I'll give a fuller report tomorrow with the sections from the manual. More soon.
Best, Todd
xart
amnesia wrote:
Can we see the MIDI port plz?


amnesia
danke!
fredguy
The card uses resistors to set slider values. The resistor values, from the original
manual, range from 120k to 4.7M ohms. When you grab the card you put your
body/ skin resistance in parallel with the resistor value. This results in a lower
resistor value on the card and a higher effective slider value. The effect is
more pronounced if there are resistors on the card as otherwise the easel only
sees your skin resistance.

Grab the two probes of an ohm meter and you can see how varying finger
pressure varies the resistance.

Capacitive coupling is probably a secondary effect.
sascha.victoria
Based on what Xart and Todd wrote about the card I think it makes sense that if the card is populated it would have more of an effect if you touch it. So why is there a 3 position switch if there's only 2 labels?
Malekko
sascha.victoria wrote:
So why is there a 3 position switch if there's only 2 labels?

It should read "local" "remote" and "both" but in this case both can be assumed. To test, put a couple resistors in, and insert the card, local you wouldn't notice any change but switch to remote and you have only the cards settings and the panel is disconnected. Middle position you should have the cards preset but still able to tweak parameters on the panel.
Sexual Dolphin
Wonder if the MIDI In port carries sync?
anselmi
DrOctave wrote:
thanks for the info. i on the other hand canceled my order last week and am useing the money to build my 200e. if i didnt have a 208r i dont think i would have canceled.


same here... Chewbacca
MechaSeb
xart wrote:
.I keep trying to use LOCATION on the 218 hihi hmmm..... ..the 223e still r00lz.)


While making the keys longer than the original, i wish they add, even limited, some location functions on the 218e ! It won't make me regret getting the BEMI version of the easel though hihi
vgermuse
It is my understanding that the new and original Easel work exactly the same when it comes to the Program Card. In the "both" position conductance values are additive which means if the resistor on the card mimics a maximum value, say 10 then there will be no "head room" to vary that parameter on the front panel slider in "both" mode. Here is the beginning of that description from the Allen Strange manual (pp. 56-58 contains the entire description):
"With the front panel CONTROL switch in the
‘both’ position there are several operative
characteristics which should be considered:

CONTROL VOLTAGES — the Program Card
are additive. Any patching with patch cords
and jumper plugs will affect the instrument
as if it were under front panel control.
Any front panel processing or offset levels
are additive to the programming on the
card. If an oscillator were card programmed
with an offset value of 4 and the front
panel offset was set at 3, the two values
would sum to an effective offset value of 7."

Messing with the card is a blast. I'm about to
try putting thumbwheel pots on some parameters

hihi

best, Todd
anselmi
vgermuse wrote:
CONTROL VOLTAGES — the Program Card
are additive. Any patching with patch cords
and jumper plugs will affect the instrument
as if it were under front panel control.
Any front panel processing or offset levels
are additive to the programming on the
card. If an oscillator were card programmed
with an offset value of 4 and the front
panel offset was set at 3, the two values
would sum to an effective offset value of 7."


thanks for the explanation Todd
are all the easel parameters (sliders) represented in the cards? If so this would be a good way to make a breakout box to access some stuff that is not available to patch in the front panel...attack and decay of the envelope are the first that I´d like to have CV´d but other stuff would be great as well
vgermuse
anselmi wrote:
vgermuse wrote:
CONTROL VOLTAGES — the Program Card
are additive. Any patching with patch cords
and jumper plugs will affect the instrument
as if it were under front panel control....


thanks for the explanation Todd
are all the easel parameters (sliders) represented in the cards? If so this would be a good way to make a breakout box to access some stuff that is not available to patch in the front panel...attack and decay of the envelope are the first that I´d like to have CV´d but other stuff would be great as well


Yes, all sliders are mimiced by resistors on the Prog Card. You could absolutely create breakout box or small specialty effects etc. But, you can access the ASD of the EG from any parameter on the Prog Card so no need for a breakout box for that patch.
vgermuse
Sexual Dolphin wrote:
Wonder if the MIDI In port carries sync?


Here's the answer from this thread: BEMI Music Easel: Midi and EG info
vgermuse wrote:
Dear friends,

This just in from Jeff Vallier, Director of Engineering at BEMI:

Quote:

We just added some new MIDI functionality to the Easel! In addition to the expected note on/offs, there is Aftertouch on Channel 1 which routes to the Pressure output on the 218. Most exciting is support for MIDI clock/sync messages, which will route to the Pulse output at the standard 24ppqn, or if the arpeggiator is enabled will clock that. Should be fun smile

Also, note that the Easel sports a new self-trigger mode on the Envelope Generator...

regards,

Jeff


It seems new Music Easel threads on Muff's are proliferating at an exponential rate :-)
Sexual Dolphin
Quote:
It seems new Music Easel threads on Muff's are proliferating at an exponential rate :-)


Very much so. Don't know how that one slipped passed me. I've been reading these like it's my job. I feel all of us with a pre-order underway are in the same boat.
anselmi
vgermuse wrote:
Yes, all sliders are mimiced by resistors on the Prog Card. You could absolutely create breakout box or small specialty effects etc.


great!

Quote:
But, you can access the ASD of the EG from any parameter on the Prog Card so no need for a breakout box for that patch.


but...you have to solder on it, right?

I´m a bit shocked about the cards function this (primitive) way...I found no justification for this in 2013 and can´t believe people don´t complain about it

I think the iPad card would be a great addition if they finally make it (I don´t believe in vapor) but for now why not add a simple cartridge in the fashion of old 80´s synths to store sounds in a more practical way? I remember this was cheap gizmos that even third party companies was able to build and sell
djangosfire
anselmi wrote:

I´m a bit shocked about the cards function this (primitive) way...I found no justification for this in 2013 and can´t believe people don´t complain about it


Are you serious? I would be shocked if they hadn't included this!

This is supposed to be a re-issue - re-creation of a classic and rare instrument.

Its the primitive features, like the card slot that uses had soldered resistors, that IMHO make this thing so AWESOME SlayerBadger!
mike sheridan
Can anyone post a picture of one of the preset cards? I'd love to see how it looks closeup.....
anselmi
djangosfire wrote:
anselmi wrote:

I´m a bit shocked about the cards function this (primitive) way...I found no justification for this in 2013 and can´t believe people don´t complain about it


Are you serious? I would be shocked if they hadn't included this!

This is supposed to be a re-issue - re-creation of a classic and rare instrument.

Its the primitive features, like the card slot that uses had soldered resistors, that IMHO make this thing so AWESOME SlayerBadger!

c´mon, if so why they incuded MIDI and changed some stuff like the modulation oscillator range, the suitcase or the use of SMT...even the keyboard use a different technology...a proper re-creation should be deadly accurate to achieve such a romantic value, and this is not the case

I´m talking about use this thing today, not just a decoration item (although it´s beautiful for sure)

anyway, if you are ready to support it in a public forum I realize that maybe BEMI is in the right way as a company...maybe there is a target for this kind of "features"...I´m not into this, I´m a musician and producer, love synths and love to even spend time doing stuff with no profit, but solder resistors for memories is far beyond what I considere funny
dopefiend
djangosfire wrote:
anselmi wrote:

I´m a bit shocked about the cards function this (primitive) way...I found no justification for this in 2013 and can´t believe people don´t complain about it


Are you serious? I would be shocked if they hadn't included this!

This is supposed to be a re-issue - re-creation of a classic and rare instrument.

Its the primitive features, like the card slot that uses had soldered resistors, that IMHO make this thing so AWESOME SlayerBadger!



Wholeheartedly agree. Which points out the appeal for these things being most intense by old farts like yours truly. It's all about voltage, capacitance, the peculiarities of your skin, your body's electromagnetic field, etc.... now that, to me, truly meets the definition of organic...
Dr. Sketch-n-Etch
To me, the prog card is the coolest thing about the Easel.

Plus (not to put too fine a point on it), it does offer some interesting opportunities for after-market storage and control options. (I.e., things other than prog cards can be plugged into the slot.)
anselmi
dopefiend wrote:
Wholeheartedly agree. Which points out the appeal for these things being most intense by old farts like yours truly. It's all about voltage, capacitance, the peculiarities of your skin, your body's electromagnetic field, etc.... now that, to me, truly meets the definition of organic...




hihi hihi hihi
prscrptn
Dr. Sketch-n-Etch wrote:
...the prog card is the coolest thing about the Easel.


I agree!
dopefiend
Hmmmmmm...

Now that you mention it, I have been known for having a fondness for anal sex... hihi lol lol

(not receptive, mind you!!!) razz
djangosfire
anselmi wrote:

c´mon, if so why they incuded MIDI and changed some stuff like the modulation oscillator range, the suitcase or the use of SMT...even the keyboard use a different technology...a proper re-creation should be deadly accurate to achieve such a romanticistic value, and this is not the case


I don't care about deadly accurate - just as close as possible.

Adding MIDI does not change the physical nature of the Easel interface.... same for the smt parts... same for the case.... and the added range switch is more like a wise custom modification. This New Easel allows you to have that interface... that physical connection to a classic Don Buchla design NOT found in ANY other modern portable analog instrument... closest would be a Serge TKB and Animal... and that is really another beast altogether.

A "deadly accurate" re-creation would have cost much more that $4000.
djangosfire
anselmi wrote:


I´m talking about use this thing today, not just a decoration item (although it´s beautiful for sure)


me too
anselmi
dopefiend wrote:
Hmmmmmm...

Now that you mention it, I have been known for having a fondness for anal sex... hihi lol lol

(not receptive, mind you!!!) razz


Mr. Green
anselmi
djangosfire wrote:
anselmi wrote:

c´mon, if so why they incuded MIDI and changed some stuff like the modulation oscillator range, the suitcase or the use of SMT...even the keyboard use a different technology...a proper re-creation should be deadly accurate to achieve such a romanticistic value, and this is not the case


I don't care about deadly accurate - just as close as possible.

Adding MIDI does not change the physical nature of the Easel interface.... same for the smt parts... same for the case.... and the added range switch is more like a wise custom modification. This New Easel allows you to have that interface... that physical connection to a classic Don Buchla design NOT found in ANY other modern portable analog instrument... closest would be a Serge TKB and Animal... and that is really another beast altogether.

A "deadly accurate" re-creation would have cost much more that $4000.


why your "exceptions" are valid and mine not? seriously, i just don't get it
djangosfire
anselmi wrote:

why your "exceptions" are valid and mine not? seriously, i just don't get it


They are not. We just have different opinions Guinness ftw! 8_)
Zeitdehner
I for one very much prefer to spend some time soldering resistors onto program cards rather then spending endless and useless hours scrolling through preset banks, the latter method has proved to be totally unproductive... the synthesist's flytrap... This "preset" system I was always amazed by, same as from the EMS prestopatch... it's so much more personal... I mean the whole concept is so fucking clever...It makes you really think about what you're doing... this is one of the ingredients that make the Easel the great instrument that it was and that it is still today in its current form... in this optic I really don't care about any wireless, digital interface card whatsoever., or any Midi implementation for that matter...
Your mileage may vary, of course
Mr. Green
xart
mike sheridan wrote:
Can anyone post a picture of one of the preset cards? I'd love to see how it looks closeup.....







thumbs up
ttown23
So was Sept. 28th the day that the first one arrived? I predicted Sept. 30th in the other thread... am I the closest? If so where's my PayPals people?? LOL seriously, i just don't get it
pelican
The voltage is still 1.2v?
angora
Honestly, I didn't care about the prog card at all because I didn't think I would even bother to use it. When they announced that they would have an ipad app that connected via Bluetooth, I thought "way to assume all your customers have ipad and alienate those that don't".

I actually considered taking my easel money and building a Malekko system instead due the ipad announcement. The only thing that prevented it was that I really want the 218. lol!

....and then I thought of something really cool you could do with the card. I'm hoping I can build a break-out box to control the sequencer via the card slot. I want to get those nice square buttons that light-up when you engage them and have two sets of buttons for each step of the sequencer.

The first row of buttons will determine the note c thru b, the second row will determine the octave. That way I can change melodic sequences at the push of a button and not have to tune each step when I want to change it. I think it will make for a better UI then any other analogue sequencer I can think of. When I want the sequencer for things other then pitch, I just flip the switch to local, and I'll be back to sliders.

So even things that seem useless can give you good ideas.
parasitk
angora wrote:
Honestly, I didn't care about the prog card at all because I didn't think I would even bother to use it. When they announced that they would have an ipad app that connected via Bluetooth, I thought "way to assume all your customers have ipad and alienate those that don't".


Even though this is all up in the air at the moment, it's supposedly WiFi, not Bluetooth.

And although there might be an iPad app, it was mentioned that you'd be able to control it via MIDI or even OSC, which means that other software control/solutions would be possible, not just an iPad app. So... not really alienating at all.
mckenic
Funny enough - Im SERIOUSLY considering flogging some stuff and saving for one once they are in the wild and I can get my cousin to pick one up in the US... but Im waiting to see if the iPad thingy comes out! That and to see reviews from you good folks of course!
angora
parasitk wrote:
angora wrote:
Honestly, I didn't care about the prog card at all because I didn't think I would even bother to use it. When they announced that they would have an ipad app that connected via Bluetooth, I thought "way to assume all your customers have ipad and alienate those that don't".


Even though this is all up in the air at the moment, it's supposedly WiFi, not Bluetooth.

And although there might be an iPad app, it was mentioned that you'd be able to control it via MIDI or even OSC, which means that other software control/solutions would be possible, not just an iPad app. So... not really alienating at all.


It's peanut butter jelly time! thumbs up Thanks thumbs up It's peanut butter jelly time!

I must have missed the follow-up. Good thinks come to those who wait!
Lakbra
People nowadays sometimes say ipad when they talk in general terms about tablets.
Might be the case...
Of Branding eating out our brains
sascha.victoria
Screw the iPad. I want an AU/VST plugin. Sync'd automation, patch recall in a session, etc... Out 'e' the 200e!

Moog$FooL$
holy shit!!!! eek!
i forgot how good that song can be.

thumbs up It's motherfucking bacon yo It's motherfucking bacon yo It's motherfucking bacon yo
Sexual Dolphin
xart wrote:
mike sheridan wrote:
Can anyone post a picture of one of the preset cards? I'd love to see how it looks closeup.....







thumbs up


Seeing the card layout makes me understand the synth architecture better.
tmeade
sascha.victoria wrote:
Screw the iPad. I want an AU/VST plugin. Sync'd automation, patch recall in a session, etc... Out 'e' the 200e!



thumbs up
fredguy
I think the cards are a huge selling point. Swap patches over the interwebz by
soldering in a handful of resistors. Having an easy access to various patch
points offers huge DIY interface possibilities. w00t
iVardensphere
Noisebug website in the preorder section.

HueMonContact wrote:
amnesia wrote:
$4k!!!!! sold


Hey Ross,
Where did you get the 4k price tag from?
I need to know how much gear I have to sell so I can get one of these ASAP!
This is fun! This is fun! This is fun!
xart
Dr. Sketch-n-Etch wrote:
To me, the prog card is the coolest thing about the Easel.








337is
sascha.victoria
Xart,
Do you think you have a production unit or a production proto?

Thanks for posting all the info and pics!
sersch
Judging from this...
xart wrote:
This is an ordered Easel - not a test unit, not a prototype...

...I'd say your question has already been answered: it's not a production prototype.
solaris
xart wrote:



xart, are those your tapes? I mean, your stuff/releases/whatever?
xart
solaris wrote:

xart, are those your tapes? I mean, your stuff/releases/whatever?



yes.
xart
sascha.victoria wrote:
Xart,
Do you think you have a production unit or a production proto?


I would say ALL things buchla are works in progress...and with BEMI this is thankfully still the case. Buchla is still a small team of people hand assembling units....learning and tweaking as they build.

I can guarantee that they will be working behind the scenes taking in feedback and changing the manufacturing/assembly process to continually refine the process just like Don has done since 2004. (as we all know the 200e is not the same as it was when released in 2005....it had many many many revisions to build and function making it a better product.)

Again - I don't have any insider knowledge or information about how they run things...but I do know they are very responsive to criticism and concerns when it comes to product fit and function .... my "guess" is that fit and function things will be continually tweaked as we use and abuse them.

Just to be clear - what I have is what I expect everyone to have..this is not a half ass hobbled together - get it out the door fartbox....It is 'real'. Do I think they will make small changes - yes.

(you can tell by my photos one thing that I hope they will change down the line is the "L" shaped adapter that goes into the power slot - it hits the power button. - small thing like that.)

OH! that reminds me! The power brink in my "cat" photos is not the one that comes with the unit.....that is a BIG 24U 200e brick - but you can still use it for the easel - the easel uses a small one like used in the skylab.

this is the one that comes with the easel (in a cool little case)


themanthatwasused
solaris wrote:
xart wrote:



xart, are those your tapes? I mean, your stuff/releases/whatever?


Beautiful tapes Mr. Xart. the tapes deserves a separate thread. thumbs up
solaris
xart wrote:
solaris wrote:

xart, are those your tapes? I mean, your stuff/releases/whatever?



yes.


you got a PM
phutureboy
anselmi wrote:
c´mon, if so why they incuded MIDI and changed some stuff like the modulation oscillator range, the suitcase or the use of SMT...


Did any of you early owners take a look at the PCBs ? Are they SMT or thru-hole ?
3001
Looks like BEMI just attacked Facebook

I love their communication,one to many like a lecture, but do not answer any questions, that is what is refereed to as a bad instructor
sersch
BEMI has always answered my questions in a most timely manner.
xart
3001 wrote:
Looks like BEMI just attacked Facebook


ha. someone from muffs must of done it - my photos - not my post - this is the only place I talk shit on the interwebz...i'd never let the hot girls on facebook know what kind of a loozer I really am. thumbs up
opsysbug
Give us th' tape info please. It will tide us over-the ones of us in the
1200's. (sold my 208 to pay off Easel and now waah )
xart
opsysbug wrote:
Give us th' tape info please.



All of my weekend warrior vanity micro-label wannabe avant-garden pretentious-format p0zer ART can always be found monthly at www.xart.org The easel tape will be listed for October later this month.
3001
sersch wrote:
BEMI has always answered my questions in a most timely manner.


I would like to reiterate my statement yet in different format.

I would say that BEMI has always *replied* to me, but never actually *answered* my questions with any useful information.
sersch
Thanks for the clarification. Our experiences still differs. I always got useful information back.
opsysbug
xart wrote:
opsysbug wrote:
Give us th' tape info please.



All of my weekend warrior vanity micro-label wannabe avant-garden pretentious-format p0zer ART can always be found monthly at www.xart.org The easel tape will be listed for October later this month.


Thanks. It's a date...
DonaldCrunk
xart has now become the new face of bemi w00t w00t w00t


i'm glad to see these things have started arriving. i farted around with Todd's at the xart 50,000$ banquet table of rare wonders at Knobcon, it seemed cool. i have only the 200e and my little euro faux-easel to compare it to. i was disappointed with the oscillators, but the touch keyboard was fantastic. congrats buchlaers!
DonaldCrunk
xart has now become the new face of bemi w00t w00t w00t


i'm glad to see these things have started arriving. i farted around with Todd's at the xart 50,000$ banquet table of rare wonders at Knobcon, it seemed cool. i have only the 200e and my little euro faux-easel to compare it to. i was disappointed with the oscillators, but the touch keyboard was fantastic. congrats buchlaers!
Minimoog56
LOL - Xart as new face of BEMI, that is rich! ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glad these are rolling out - don't get me wrong but.....
xart
DonaldCrunk wrote:
xart has now become the new face of bemi w00t



Oh....like I'm not the target market for this shit...middle age, bald, fat, never married, lives with a cat , poser experimental record collection that sucks so bad I never listen to the crap...couldn't show you where middle c is on a keyboard .... thumbs up
Kingnimrod
DonaldCrunk wrote:
xart has now become the new face of bemi w00t w00t w00t


i'm glad to see these things have started arriving. i farted around with Todd's at the xart 50,000$ banquet table of rare wonders at Knobcon, it seemed cool. i have only the 200e and my little euro faux-easel to compare it to. i was disappointed with the oscillators, but the touch keyboard was fantastic. congrats buchlaers!


Care to expand on your disappointment?
stega
xart wrote:
DonaldCrunk wrote:
xart has now become the new face of bemi w00t



Oh....like I'm not the target market for this shit...middle age, bald, fat, never married, lives with a cat , poser experimental record collection that sucks so bad I never listen to the crap...couldn't show you where middle c is on a keyboard .... thumbs up


Yee! lol
missingtwin
xart, I'll admit I have only a passing
interest in the easel (mostly I hope
it will further BEMI's 200e series efforts),
but your recent assessments of your
own artistic endeavors is just
redonkulously hilarious, yer killing
me... Bald, fat, single,
disposable income,
Hero.
DonaldCrunk
xart wrote:
DonaldCrunk wrote:
xart has now become the new face of bemi w00t



Oh....like I'm not the target market for this shit...middle age, bald, fat, never married, lives with a cat , poser experimental record collection that sucks so bad I never listen to the crap...couldn't show you where middle c is on a keyboard .... thumbs up


dude your self degradation serves only to adorn your BEMI-pedestal with even more glory hihi . if don buchla wore t-shirts, he would wear white ones.

but srsly thanks for your reports on the instrument. when it was announced i peed a little - much like everyone else - but quickly realized that it would remain out of my price range for a while, so i tried to build a copy into a euro lunchbox. i am a mere low-voltage service technician after all, with a low-voltage service technician's income. buchla products are still a good decade away for me.

this leads me to responding to Kingnimrod's question - i think a combination of owning the makenoise DPO and having spent some good times with the buchla 258 set me up to be disappointed. it was purely a subjective reaction, i didn't spend near enough time with it to be able to point to specific aspects of control response or sound and dissect my reasoning on muffwigglers. i'm not going to be that asshole without spending much more time on the instrument, guided by someone who knows his/her shit. sorry if that is not a satisfactory response, but i have too much respect for Don, the easel as an idea and the wigglers who put $$$ down to rain on any parades.
darcmorcel
Is that the video wich is on the Easel dvd ?


Edit : well, after watching a few minutes I suppose it is.
sersch
I wonder why from 11'58 onwards, the pitch is also affected by the envelope. According to slider setting & patching, only the timbre should be affected.
batchas
sersch wrote:
I wonder why from 11'58 onwards, the pitch is also affected by the envelope. According to slider setting & patching, only the timbre should be affected.

Looks like the pitch slider is active (near half its way) and Env Gen is set on keyboard tracking too. Maybe it's only because CV keyboard tracking switch is ON...
sersch
batchas wrote:
Looks like the pitch slider is active (near half its way)…

The pitch slider is half way up, but it only controls the pitch, not the pitch modulation intensity. This is done by the slider to its left, which seems to be all the way down.

Quote:
…and Env Gen is set on keyboard tracking too.

But the Env Gen is patched only to timbre.

Quote:
Maybe it's only because CV keyboard tracking switch is ON...

If the keyboard CV only carries the voltage according to the pressed key while the key is held (i.e. it drops to zero volt if you let go of the key), it would be a serious design flaw. Normally all monophonic CV keyboards buffer the last played pitch if you let go of the key.
MDP
So it looks like the buchla.com website is showing a "New website coming soon" link at the top...

This is fun!
batchas
sersch wrote:
If the keyboard CV only carries the voltage according to the pressed key while the key is held (i.e. it drops to zero volt if you let go of the key), it would be a serious design flaw. Normally all monophonic CV keyboards buffer the last played pitch if you let go of the key.

The video is exactly showing this kind of bad behavior. Strange!
drumsofd00m
+1 for sersch's inquiry. Without any further information, the video is confusing here.

It could be a weird auditory illusion due to the fact that timbre also influences absolute perception of pitch. That's what wavefolding (when based on one or more stages of simple rectification) is about - you sort of "morph" into higher octaves while not sliding through all the intermediate pitches. (Yes, it's not as easy to understand as resonant lowpass filtering or ring modulation, but one should try in order to really use "west coast" synthesis expertly.)
- Anyway, better audio quality (as in recording the Easel directly) would help eliminating that question. Much kudos to Todd for the video, but to be honest, I feel that for such a piece of work, that aspect might have been a bit neglected.

(edit: I keep confusing east and west coast, sry)
drumsofd00m
DonaldCrunk wrote:

this leads me to responding to Kingnimrod's question - i think a combination of owning the makenoise DPO and having spent some good times with the buchla 258 set me up to be disappointed. it was purely a subjective reaction, i didn't spend near enough time with it to be able to point to specific aspects of control response or sound and dissect my reasoning on muffwigglers. i'm not going to be that asshole without spending much more time on the instrument, guided by someone who knows his/her shit. sorry if that is not a satisfactory response, but i have too much respect for Don, the easel as an idea and the wigglers who put $$$ down to rain on any parades.


Without having used the DPO nor the Easel, i.e. just an observer here, I appreciate your posting this. I do plan on buying an Easel next year or so, because I've been a fan of Charles Cohen's music for 13 years, and I appreciate the "instrument" design, the compactness, the pre-planned and uniformed layout, and the two-dimensional, very graphical approach. Buchla instruments are among the most easy to access and grasp for synth newbies (they only seem strange if someone already is a synth "expert" while coming from the "east coast" paradigm).

But it would actually SURPRISE me if circuits with 40 more years of technology and experience behind them (generally speaking, not in the same person of course) would NOT be at least on par, if not possibly better in some respects.

(Maybe that IS one of the reasons for the Easel's delayed release? Who knows what improvements might be under way that eventually owners who have been grumpy about the wait can be grateful for.)
chrisso
I thought it was a 'minor cosmetic issue'?
drumsofd00m
I said "maybe" and "might", i.e. only offering what I said this as a speculative possibility in light of the widespread impatience, and that again just as an afterthought to what @DonaldCrunk said. What is you have with my posts? ;)
science
xart,

Continuing our previous debate about the number of gerbils that one could potentially smuggle in the easel case, was I right when I assumed 7?
xart
science wrote:
xart,

Continuing our previous debate about the number of gerbils that one could potentially smuggle in the easel case, was I right when I assumed 7?






thumbs up
sersch
sersch wrote:
I wonder why from 11'58 onwards, the pitch is also affected by the envelope. According to slider setting & patching, only the timbre should be affected.


Asked Todd about it, he kindly gave the permission to post his reply:

vgermuse wrote:
that was not the case with the video I shot but unfortunately that video was corrupted when they went to edit it. So. . .they re-shot those sections based on my verbal content while I was out of town. I've noticed that there are some anomalies in tuning/behavior. I can't explain them but I can assure you that the Easels are pitch and control stable. Hope this helps.


Thanks Todd!
anselmi
darcmorcel wrote:
Is that the video wich is on the Easel dvd ?


Edit : well, after watching a few minutes I suppose it is.



excellent dissection of the easel! very informative and greatly presented...as some people said here the easel got a lot of potential and this video allows you to imagine a lot of ways to unveil it

a little question for Todd: at 16:39 you talk about a "moderately FAST sustain"...I imagine it could be an error since the SUSTAIN parameters always refers to a LEVEL instead of TIME or RATE, but I don´t know how the envelope generator is implemented in the easel
maybe "sustain" is the easel word for "release", as we use in a piano pedal
Sval-amb7
great demonstration thumbs up I cant wait to be able to afford one of these
dopefiend
xart wrote:
science wrote:
xart,

Continuing our previous debate about the number of gerbils that one could potentially smuggle in the easel case, was I right when I assumed 7?






thumbs up


So, does it have as much capacity for rodents as Richard Gere's rectum?
Slabwax
That was excellent. We've got the video now all we need is?...... oh you know.
Slabwax
Maybe we need to name the Easel Weasel "lemmiwinks".
phutureboy
Hi xart,

Since you're at it, could you post a picture of the other side of those modules ?
I mean a picture of the 208 and 218 circuitry ?


xart wrote:

xart



thumbs up
phutureboy
Nice, thanks. Now could you zoom out a bit more so that we can see the whole thing ?
Zeitdehner
Phutureboy, that's a Sharc DSP ... Mr. Green
phutureboy
I can see that thanks.
Zeitdehner
Ok then... Xart, zoom out a bit please 8_)
elmegil
Pull back. Wait a minute. Go right. Stop.

Enhance 57 to 19. Track 45 left. Stop.

Enhance 15 to 23.

Gimme a hard copy right there.
dopefiend
Are we discussing Easels or pictures of replicants?
fiocz
elmegil wrote:
Pull back. Wait a minute. Go right. Stop.

Enhance 57 to 19. Track 45 left. Stop.

Enhance 15 to 23.

Gimme a hard copy right there.


hihi
Ƶl8®
dopefiend wrote:
Are we discussing Easels or pictures of replicants?


Pictures of Easel replicants of course Mr. Green
VomitFlowers
Let's enhance...

Longwalkshortdock
Gorgeous. I want to go to there...
phutureboy
applause
xart
Zeitdehner wrote:
Ok then... Xart, zoom out a bit please 8_)






thumbs up
abendrot
troll smile
xart
abendrot wrote:
troll smile





construct09
woah xart is Vin Diesel!!!
amnesia
Butt crack Music Easel
solaris
ahahah
beta
I'm confused: it seems many people were contacted to pay the balance on their deposits, yet only one easel has been shipped. Is this correct?? Seems pretty odd, but good to see at least one out in the wild.
djangosfire
xart wrote:




zombie

lol
anselmi
xart wrote:
Zeitdehner wrote:
Ok then... Xart, zoom out a bit please 8_)






thumbs up



second program card slot unveiled hihi
djangosfire
anselmi wrote:
xart wrote:
Zeitdehner wrote:
Ok then... Xart, zoom out a bit please 8_)






thumbs up



second program card slot unveiled hihi


where is the damn "local - remote - XART" switch? Dead Banana
xart
anselmi wrote:



second program card slot unveiled hihi



thumbs up
xart
beta wrote:
I'm confused: it seems many people were contacted to pay the balance on their deposits, yet only one easel has been shipped. Is this correct?? Seems pretty odd, but good to see at least one out in the wild.


I think like 20-30 of them shipped...
Most of them went to people who have a life outside the interwebz and are actually using them for the good of humanity making bleeding edge musicks for the people of the world!...they don't have time like these douches who write about their dumb-ass opinions and post silly photos to synthesizer forums. thumbs up
stega
xart wrote:
beta wrote:
I'm confused: it seems many people were contacted to pay the balance on their deposits, yet only one easel has been shipped. Is this correct?? Seems pretty odd, but good to see at least one out in the wild.


I think like 20-30 of them shipped...
Most of them went to people who have a life outside the interwebz and are actually using them for the good of humanity making bleeding edge musicks for the people of the world!...they don't have time like these douches who write about their dumb-ass opinions and post silly photos to synthesizer forums. thumbs up


Correct. wink ehheehh
phutureboy
xart wrote:
Most of them went to people who have a life outside the interwebz


A what outside what... ?
Could you elaborate further ?
anselmi
djangosfire wrote:
anselmi wrote:
xart wrote:
Zeitdehner wrote:
Ok then... Xart, zoom out a bit please 8_)






thumbs up



second program card slot unveiled hihi


where is the damn "local - remote - XART" switch? Dead Banana


"damn! this patch sounds like a fart!"
moog55
lol xart's asscrack photo appears like 25 of the last 30 posts hahaha

lol
ttown23
elmegil wrote:
Pull back. Wait a minute. Go right. Stop.

Enhance 57 to 19. Track 45 left. Stop.

Enhance 15 to 23.

Gimme a hard copy right there.


LOL that's the shit right there!!!!! applause
fredguy
Does the 218 on the easel have a trim pot to adjust the v/oct on the pitch output or is it fixed at 1.2v/oct?
alka
fredguy wrote:
Does the 218 on the easel have a trim pot to adjust the v/oct on the pitch output or is it fixed at 1.2v/oct?


Both the Complex and Mod Osc have trim pots to adjust scaling.
fredguy
alka wrote:
fredguy wrote:
Does the 218 on the easel have a trim pot to adjust the v/oct on the pitch output or is it fixed at 1.2v/oct?


Both the Complex and Mod Osc have trim pots to adjust scaling.


I'm more interested in using the 218 to control other synths.
pelican
Me too
alka
fredguy wrote:
alka wrote:
fredguy wrote:
Does the 218 on the easel have a trim pot to adjust the v/oct on the pitch output or is it fixed at 1.2v/oct?


Both the Complex and Mod Osc have trim pots to adjust scaling.


I'm more interested in using the 218 to control other synths.


sorry misread your post on my phone.. thought it said 208! d'oh! not sure of the 218...
drumsofd00m
Don't know if this has been asked before:

can vintage or cloned Easels be controlled with all of BEMI's remote control capabilities, provided the BEMI cards are used? Or did that stuff introduce any changes to the BEMI 208 circuitry itself?
Goldenage2012
i had my easel for a few months now and really love it.

today i was doing a patch trigering the pitch and vca from pressure and realized that the middle E key from the touch plate has to be pressed really hard and still its impossible to get the same effect as the other keys, was very dissapointed as a performance pressure patch will be impossible to perform with that key, also the flat or black keys need more finger pressure then the rest.

besides that i really love this instrument but i do think this is a crucial part of the easel to get it right, lets see what bemi has to say.

i saw someone asking about the envelop re trigger, for me it works but has to be ingage when the light is on, making a long decay before moving to self or it won't trigger.

havent figure out what the switches in the sequencer do yet, up or down always have the same effect, that may be at the manual somewhere thought.
Cobramatic
On the 'pressure' issue I did nave a note from Alex on this last year:
"To program sensitivity on keyboard first turn all knobs to 10 and switches to none (Just on the keyboard module - not the whole Easel). Now press on a key and you can adjust how sensitive you want the pressure output to be by turning the 4th Octave knob".

It does work globally across the keyboard so if you have one key that is 'sticking' then maybe it will get straightened out in this adjustment? Worth a try at least.

The toggle switches on the sequencer turn the relevant steps on and off.
MGA
Cobramatic wrote:
On the 'pressure' issue I did have a note from Alex on this last year:
"To program sensitivity on keyboard first turn all knobs to 10 and switches to none (Just on the keyboard module - not the whole Easel).
Now press on a key and you can adjust how sensitive you want the pressure output to be by turning the 4th Octave knob".


Thanks for that - definitely will go into my Easel scrap book. thumbs up
It's one of those little gems that's not in the 'official' docs...
captnapalm
drumsofd00m wrote:
Don't know if this has been asked before:

can vintage or cloned Easels be controlled with all of BEMI's remote control capabilities, provided the BEMI cards are used? Or did that stuff introduce any changes to the BEMI 208 circuitry itself?


The 208r1 has a completely different card circuit so it wouldn't work. Nobody knows for certain on 208r2, as nobody seems to have tried it yet. Though it should theoretically work the same since the cards have the same pinout as the originals.
qp
captnapalm wrote:
drumsofd00m wrote:
Don't know if this has been asked before:

can vintage or cloned Easels be controlled with all of BEMI's remote control capabilities, provided the BEMI cards are used? Or did that stuff introduce any changes to the BEMI 208 circuitry itself?


The 208r1 has a completely different card circuit so it wouldn't work. Nobody knows for certain on 208r2, as nobody seems to have tried it yet. Though it should theoretically work the same since the cards have the same pinout as the originals.


I thought I heard somewhere at some point that original 208 cards and 208e card were interchangeable with the exception of not having patch points on the envelope loop or MO range. So, I'd imagine that since the 208r2 cards are clones of the originals, then it should be interchangeable. i may bring my 208r2 with me to Foxtone next time I'm in the area and try out the iProgrammer Card.
phutureboy
qp wrote:
i may bring my 208r2 with me to Foxtone next time I'm in the area and try out the iProgrammer Card.

Please do keep us informed ! Enjoy the show!
mayanspring
I lost track with this thread for a while... but can anyone list all the changes/improvements from the early easel batches compared to the newer ones now...

I know there is something with the spring reverb (is it the volume loss or the mod osc bleed?)... the headphone fix... new firmware maybe? Are there any fixes for the keyboard's grounding issues?
Kingnimrod
Low-Gain posted a lot on Facebook recently about the poor construction and components of the easel, and improvements he made to his.
mayanspring
Kingnimrod wrote:
Low-Gain posted a lot on Facebook recently about the poor construction and components of the easel, and improvements he made to his.



is there a link? having trouble finding it....

but I am curious about what improvements etc have or haven't been made.
thesnow
I'm interested in buying a $4,000 fix-it-yourslef project too, where can I buy one #bemi hihi
pelican
Big shoutout to bemi. They really hooked me up today
razzmtazz266
any details pelican?
pelican
They sent me new cards, a new reverb, and something else that they changed after I received mine. Also gave me some calibration info
felixer
thesnow wrote:
I'm interested in buying a $4,000 fix-it-yourslef project too, where can I buy one #bemi hihi

well, not at schneiders/berlin ... each and every easel they received was broken. they send 'm all back ... i guess that wraps it up for buchla/bemi in europe ...
they do sell verbos module though Mr. Green 4k buys you quite a nice system cool
papz
I can't figure out why BEMI doesn't fix these faulty Easels before to ship, this would be just normal, maybe they are happy to read posts telling how soooooooo greaaaaaaaaaat they are because they offer good support on 4k brand new instruments that a decent company would never ship in such a poor working condition ? seriously, i just don't get it
youknowiloveyou
felixer wrote:
thesnow wrote:
I'm interested in buying a $4,000 fix-it-yourslef project too, where can I buy one #bemi hihi

well, not at schneiders/berlin ... each and every easel they received was broken. they send 'm all back ... i guess that wraps it up for buchla/bemi in europe ...
they do sell verbos module though Mr. Green 4k buys you quite a nice system cool

I realise that the Schneiders/BEMI relationship is no longer, but I did want to say that I bought my Easel through Schneiders, was delivered to UK November 2014 after 6 months wait and I've had no problems with it.
I have a friend in Berlin who very recently got his Easel from Schneiders and has no problems with it either.

I guess we've been lucky cool
phutureboy
felixer wrote:
well, not at schneiders/berlin ... each and every easel they received was broken. they send 'm all back ... i guess that wraps it up for buchla/bemi in europe ...

Not sure why you feel so eager to spread false information, I got mine from Schneider and it has worked fine from day one...
felixer
phutureboy wrote:
felixer wrote:
well, not at schneiders/berlin ... each and every easel they received was broken. they send 'm all back ... i guess that wraps it up for buchla/bemi in europe ...

Not sure why you feel so eager to spread false information, I got mine from Schneider and it has worked fine from day one...

this is what i was told by a schneiders employee ... maybe it was just the last shipment hmmm..... fact is, they don't stock/sell 'm anymore ...
i guess you have been lucky. it happens. it would have been nice to be able to test 'a real buchla', but alas ... now i'll never know ... which leaves a nagging feeling but i'll live cool meanwhile the rest of the world is moving on, so there is no lack of interesting devices ...
jimmyambulance
Kingnimrod wrote:
Low-Gain posted a lot on Facebook recently about the poor construction and components of the easel, and improvements he made to his.


any link to that post? i'd love to see his improvements.
gone
Got mine direct from BEMI. Zero issues. Love it.
thiagozt
There's nothing wrong with how the easel is constructed. Mine is pretty solid. I would rather keep it as is than make marginal improvements and void the warranty. Have you ever played an original easel? it's a mess. It's wobbly, the keyboard is not evenly responsive, the sliders feel different from each other etc... we're spoiled, man.
mudlogger
Having seen what Lo-Gain received and the amount of work to fix, looks like quality control was zero.

From the photos he posted, it was embarrassing.

Reading the comments section alone from the modular crowd was very, very interesting.

On his model it didn't even have the Fairchild Ua 726. It has a piggy back board with an SSM2212. Looks like some easels have them, some don't. Cost or supply reasons? I don't know.

Apparently - he sent all his findings to BEMI, so hopefully this has now been addressed.

It actually makes me more want a 208r built by a respected builder, with quality parts than a BEMI Easel.

skkatter
mudlogger wrote:
On his model it didn't even have the Fairchild Ua 726.

According to Rick on this forum, the later versions of the original 208 (the top half of the Easel) also didn't use the UA726, but substituted it:

"early and later revs are actually quite similar on all boards except the VCO cards... early revs used the UA726/DG200 not unlike the 258 where A versions switched to the AD811 & 821 which were also used in the 259..i am not sure but believe the wavefolder is different between the 2 revs but sound similar to my ears.. some supply lines were also dropped between revs as noted on the schematics

over production there were several resistor value updates, capacitor kludges to reduce noise and some trace updates between the early run and As

it should be noted that several (if not all) of the 208s that left the factory had a wrong resistor value stuffed in the Reverb section.. there are also some mods that reduce output/reverb driver noise.."
mudlogger
skkatter wrote:
mudlogger wrote:
On his model it didn't even have the Fairchild Ua 726.

According to Rick on this forum, the later versions of the original 208 (the top half of the Easel) also didn't use the UA726, but substituted it:

"early and later revs are actually quite similar on all boards except the VCO cards... early revs used the UA726/DG200 not unlike the 258 where A versions switched to the AD811 & 821 which were also used in the 259..i am not sure but believe the wavefolder is different between the 2 revs but sound similar to my ears.. some supply lines were also dropped between revs as noted on the schematics

over production there were several resistor value updates, capacitor kludges to reduce noise and some trace updates between the early run and As

it should be noted that several (if not all) of the 208s that left the factory had a wrong resistor value stuffed in the Reverb section.. there are also some mods that reduce output/reverb driver noise.."


Thanks, but I'm talking about BEMI Easels, not original Revs - There are BEMI Easels with the UA726 and some without on the new ones. Not sure the reason for the change.

I've attached some of the Instagram links - there's a lot more detail on Facebook, but it gives you the general idea :

https://instagram.com/p/3Mf3GdHjrZ/
https://instagram.com/p/3O9tQenjsR/
https://instagram.com/p/3O6__THjnj/
https://instagram.com/p/3McZQaHjkr/
https://instagram.com/p/3B3rFKHjgp/
skkatter
I'd say the main reason for any change is because the UA726 is pretty rare. Do you think there'd be a significant sound difference without it?
MechaSeb
UA726 doesn't impact sound (meaning timbre). It's a matched transistor pair with built-in heater for temperatute stability. It's mostly responsible of tracking in analog synth design. So i guess almost any super matched transistor should work here. BEMI are using SSM2212 (using a SMT to Thru-Hole little PCB) afaik now instead of the UA726. It sounds a logical and smart way to contains manufacturing cost.
papz
Indeed, even if this does not prevent some to claim NOS UA726's sound more musical hihi
MechaSeb
papz wrote:
some to claim NOS UA726's sound more musical


d'oh! d'oh! hihi hihi
3001
skkatter wrote:
I'd say the main reason for any change is because the UA726 is pretty rare. Do you think there'd be a significant sound difference without it?


I had two easels from BEMI, One which I traded to Lowgain who saw the uA726 missing, which had tons of issues. Luckily Logan fixed most of them. And I had an Easel I had purchased earlier I sold to a fellow from Sweden. The One sent to Sweden sounded better to me. This might of had the uA726. It had something that was for sure. The latter one without the ua726(well confirmed without it) I really was not into. I was actually amazed at the build quality. My first one was built great, and the second one , not so much. hmm.
M-Prod
jimmyambulance wrote:
Kingnimrod wrote:
Low-Gain posted a lot on Facebook recently about the poor construction and components of the easel, and improvements he made to his.


any link to that post? i'd love to see his improvements.


I think he is referring to this unit:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140962&highlight=

I contaced BEMI about this and the told me all of this has all been fixed for some time (the easel that Low gain bought was an old one).
clarte
M-Prod wrote:
jimmyambulance wrote:
Kingnimrod wrote:
Low-Gain posted a lot on Facebook recently about the poor construction and components of the easel, and improvements he made to his.


any link to that post? i'd love to see his improvements.


I think he is referring to this unit:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140962&highlight=

I contaced BEMI about this and the told me all of this has all been fixed for some time (the easel that Low gain bought was an old one).


Trax is posting his findings comparing the easel above, new bemi stock and some other versions any day now
elmegil
clarte wrote:
M-Prod wrote:
jimmyambulance wrote:
Kingnimrod wrote:
Low-Gain posted a lot on Facebook recently about the poor construction and components of the easel, and improvements he made to his.


any link to that post? i'd love to see his improvements.


I think he is referring to this unit:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140962&highlight=

I contaced BEMI about this and the told me all of this has all been fixed for some time (the easel that Low gain bought was an old one).


Trax is posting his findings comparing the easel above, new bemi stock and some other versions any day now


That'd be very interesting, because honestly, I've worked for hardware vendors (in computers), and just because they SAY it's been all fixed in the newer releases does NOT mean that it necessarily has. Would like something other than the say so of those with a vested interest to confirm....
ttown23
MechaSeb wrote:
UA726 doesn't impact sound (meaning timbre). It's a matched transistor pair with built-in heater for temperatute stability. It's mostly responsible of tracking in analog synth design. So i guess almost any super matched transistor should work here. BEMI are using SSM2212 (using a SMT to Thru-Hole little PCB) afaik now instead of the UA726. It sounds a logical and smart way to contains manufacturing cost.


With all due respect, I have a different view.

While I agree that the heated UA726 is mostly used for tracking of analog OSCs, the subtle differences in tracking as mediated by the UA726 *DO* have an impact on the sound of the VCO.

I have heard this with my own ears, many times, not only in vintage Buchla and Buchla OSC clones that I have built, but also in vintage synths like the Korg Trident. It's the subtleties and imperfections inherent to the UA726 that add to the warmth of the tone.
MikeCalvert
ok so how are we to know ? im interested in getting on and saw this listing

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Buchla-Music-Easel-/221832364713?

but in light of all this ... ?
M-Prod
elmegil wrote:
clarte wrote:
M-Prod wrote:
jimmyambulance wrote:
Kingnimrod wrote:
Low-Gain posted a lot on Facebook recently about the poor construction and components of the easel, and improvements he made to his.


any link to that post? i'd love to see his improvements.


I think he is referring to this unit:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140962&highlight=

I contaced BEMI about this and the told me all of this has all been fixed for some time (the easel that Low gain bought was an old one).


Trax is posting his findings comparing the easel above, new bemi stock and some other versions any day now


That'd be very interesting, because honestly, I've worked for hardware vendors (in computers), and just because they SAY it's been all fixed in the newer releases does NOT mean that it necessarily has. Would like something other than the say so of those with a vested interest to confirm....


Ok so let's stay sceptical until we get proof from Trax although i tend to believe Alex . I also requested information about current delivery time. They said 3-4 weeks (for parts to arrive and building will start), but i am also monitoring James Meekers' thread to see when his easel arrives (it's been 16 weeks now).

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electroni c-music-production/997314-getting-buchla-easel.html

I read the LEM 208 is in stock so it does seem things are heading the right direction.
ttown23
M-Prod wrote:


I read the LEM 208 is in stock so it does seem things are heading the right direction.


Yes, the LEM 208 is in stock. It's not the 208 portion that's at issue; its the 218 keyboard. Please see my post in the other thread.
legionhwp
Does anyone know for sure if the LEM 208 has the same in/outputs side panel in the case as the BEMI Easel (including Midi)? Also can you put a BEMI 218 in there at a later time (effectively have a full complete exact BEMI Easel) instead of 200e modules?

There aren't any side pics on the web site so I wrote BEMI specifically asking these questions weeks ago. No reply so I figured I'd try here.

I like the idea of adding a 259e or mixing and matching the 218 or other 200e modules even more than the standard Easel but it's not clear if you can have both.




ttown23 wrote:
M-Prod wrote:


I read the LEM 208 is in stock so it does seem things are heading the right direction.


Yes, the LEM 208 is in stock. It's not the 208 portion that's at issue; its the 218 keyboard. Please see my post in the other thread.
synthi
MechaSeb wrote:
UA726 doesn't impact sound (meaning timbre). It's a matched transistor pair with built-in heater for temperatute stability. It's mostly responsible of tracking in analog synth design. So i guess almost any super matched transistor should work here. BEMI are using SSM2212 (using a SMT to Thru-Hole little PCB) afaik now instead of the UA726. It sounds a logical and smart way to contains manufacturing cost.


I see in the BEMI SSM2212 to UA726 adapter an "R1" marking with two unused holes at the top and bottom of the SSM... Also I know the UA726 have temp compensation built in...

My question is, have the SSM temp stability built in as well? Maybe that R1 must be a tempco in direct contact with the SSM IC?

My easel tracks fine past 20-30 minutes, and I see thats a lot of time, even more that my Synthi... I`m using it in the studio, but that would be a potential problem for live use. Maybe mine have that SSM adapter inside and it would need a tempco resistor that is NOT installed???? eek! hmmm.....
thiagozt
Hey legionhwp,

I did just that. I ordered a LEM208 and bought the 218 from a wiggler. I asked Alex from BEMI for some extra screws. When it arrived I just put it in there and worked as expected. The LEM208 is basically an easel without the 218, so it has the midi connections on the side and everything, the case is the same. Short answer is: Yes MY ASS IS BLEEDING
thesnow
I love my easel and its case it comes with! it only cost me 1000.

synthi
synthi wrote:
MechaSeb wrote:
UA726 doesn't impact sound (meaning timbre). It's a matched transistor pair with built-in heater for temperatute stability. It's mostly responsible of tracking in analog synth design. So i guess almost any super matched transistor should work here. BEMI are using SSM2212 (using a SMT to Thru-Hole little PCB) afaik now instead of the UA726. It sounds a logical and smart way to contains manufacturing cost.


I see in the BEMI SSM2212 to UA726 adapter an "R1" marking with two unused holes at the top and bottom of the SSM... Also I know the UA726 have temp compensation built in...

My question is, have the SSM temp stability built in as well? Maybe that R1 must be a tempco in direct contact with the SSM IC?

My easel tracks fine past 20-30 minutes, and I see thats a lot of time, even more that my Synthi... I`m using it in the studio, but that would be a potential problem for live use. Maybe mine have that SSM adapter inside and it would need a tempco resistor that is NOT installed???? eek! hmmm.....


I openen my easel today and I can confirm that it have the SSM adapter with the ssm2212 in both principal and mod oscillators.
It took more than one hour to get a stable octave scaling so I`m still thinking must be a tempco somewhere if the ua726 is not used, anyone with the technical knowledge can comment on that??? help
ttown23
synthi wrote:
synthi wrote:
MechaSeb wrote:
UA726 doesn't impact sound (meaning timbre). It's a matched transistor pair with built-in heater for temperatute stability. It's mostly responsible of tracking in analog synth design. So i guess almost any super matched transistor should work here. BEMI are using SSM2212 (using a SMT to Thru-Hole little PCB) afaik now instead of the UA726. It sounds a logical and smart way to contains manufacturing cost.


I see in the BEMI SSM2212 to UA726 adapter an "R1" marking with two unused holes at the top and bottom of the SSM... Also I know the UA726 have temp compensation built in...

My question is, have the SSM temp stability built in as well? Maybe that R1 must be a tempco in direct contact with the SSM IC?

My easel tracks fine past 20-30 minutes, and I see thats a lot of time, even more that my Synthi... I`m using it in the studio, but that would be a potential problem for live use. Maybe mine have that SSM adapter inside and it would need a tempco resistor that is NOT installed???? eek! hmmm.....


I openen my easel today and I can cofirm that it have the SSM adapter with the ssm2212 in both principal and mod oscillators.
It took more than one hour to get a stable octave scaling so I`m still thinking must be a tempco somewhere if the ua726 is not used, anyone with the technical knowledge can comment on that??? help


Typically a UA726HC is used along with a TEMPCO. Actually, I tend to mount the TEMPCO right atop the UA726HC itself, for best tracking results. I am not familiar with the SSM2212, but if it is sub serving the same function as the UA726HC, then I see no reason why a TEMPCO shouldn't be present.
synthi
Thanks ttown, thats what I think... the hole for "R1" in the ssm adapter are in top and bottom of the IC, seem to be specially made so the R1 will be on top of the IC, just as you say:
https://instagram.com/p/3Mf3GdHjrZ/
But I don´t know where those R1 pads go, I can´t see under the little pcb...
Also, does the 208R (v1 or v2)have tempcos along the ua726?

Thanks!
ttown23
synthi wrote:
Thanks ttown, thats what I think... the hole for "R1" in the ssm adapter are in top and bottom of the IC, seem to be specially made so the R1 will be on top of the IC, just as you say:
https://instagram.com/p/3Mf3GdHjrZ/
But I don´t know where those R1 pads go, I can´t see under the little pcb...
Also, does the 208R (v1 or v2)have tempcos along the ua726?

Thanks!


It is possible. Without looking at a schematic, it would be hard to tell 100%, though. Then there is the question of whether it is a PTC or NTC tempco. Buchla designs *usually* use PTC TEMPCOs, but again, without looking at a schematic, it would be hard to tell.

208r rev. 1 does not use a UA726HC. While the 208r rev. 2 does us the UA726HC, I don't believe that a TEMPCO is used in that circuit.
MechaSeb
No need to have two tempco into the circuit !
(UA726HC contains already a Tempco which is sufficient)

Also SSM2212 seems to not have tempco built into.
Though reading the datasheets, the offset voltage drift is quite impressive (0.03 μV/°).
Knarzwaltz
3001 wrote:
skkatter wrote:
I'd say the main reason for any change is because the UA726 is pretty rare. Do you think there'd be a significant sound difference without it?


I had two easels from BEMI, One which I traded to Lowgain who saw the uA726 missing, which had tons of issues. Luckily Logan fixed most of them. And I had an Easel I had purchased earlier I sold to a fellow from Sweden. The One sent to Sweden sounded better to me. This might of had the uA726. It had something that was for sure. The latter one without the ua726(well confirmed without it) I really was not into. I was actually amazed at the build quality. My first one was built great, and the second one , not so much. hmm.


Still have it, and yes it sounds great. I can confirm that it has the UA726 and do not have the problems that your second had.
MechaSeb
I personally would take extremely precaution of the direct statement that your Easel had tracking problems because it hasn't UA726 installed. This might sounds very true at first but there is a lot of other reasons your own CO couldn't track well apart from the UA (ground problem, bad soldering etc.).

Also, you should take into account calibration when comparing two instruments. I'm not saying there isn't differences between two instruments which should "theorically" sounds the same but from one to another, calibration trimmer settings can make great differences.
captnapalm
MechaSeb wrote:
I personally would take extremely precaution of the direct statement that your Easel had tracking problems because it hasn't UA726 installed. This might sounds very true at first but there is a lot of other reasons your own CO couldn't track well apart from the UA (ground problem, bad soldering etc.).

Also, you should take into account calibration when comparing two instruments. I'm not saying there isn't differences between two instruments which should "theorically" sounds the same but from one to another, calibration trimmer settings can make great differences.


Agreed. My original early Easel never tracked all that well with its ua726s either. In fact, I've heard that the later versions without 726s were more stable.
beyourdog
thesnow wrote:
I love my easel and its case it comes with! it only cost me 1000.



Yes, but this one works and it's cheap,... so it's not so hype...
ttown23
MechaSeb wrote:
No need to have two tempco into the circuit !
(UA726HC contains already a Tempco which is sufficient)



Well, it depends on the circuit and implementation of the UA726HC. For example, the Korg Trident (which I just restored) had both a UA726HC and a TEMPCO.

While I agree that the UA726HC does have a built-in heater and closely matched transistor pair, that does not mean that it can not be used with a TEMPCO.
MechaSeb
ttown23 wrote:
the Korg Trident (which I just restored) had both a UA726HC and a TEMPCO.


Interesting. Do you think it was out from factory like this or it has been added by any tech later ?
papz
If the UA726's built-in heater keeps it to a constant temperature which is higher than the ambient temperature, why add a tempco ?
legionhwp
Re: "Lowgain" hardware mods to new BEMI Easels:

Has it been verified by any actual Easel owner who purchased and received a new unit in 2015 that current BEMI 208 units have all "low gain" improvements in them.

I have seen no pictures posted by BEMI or evidence either way. Today TRAX posted his low gain easel FS saying there are still issues with the BEMI Easels. (Did he post his comparison yet?). As far as I know there is no public post or confirmation from BEMI they have addressed these concerns.

Given the track record it would be wonderful to see independent verification that new BEMI easel has these structural and other issues addressed. If everything is fixed posting proof in this thread would go a long way to rehabilitating BEMI's Easel issues.

Elsewhere in this forum someone argued "why NOT place an Order with BEMI?" arguing the waiting list and delivery times will be what they are and placing an order now at least gets you closer to buying one. I would say that if there are promised hardware upgrades that substaintially address issues with the BEMI easel, waiting to place an order until AFTER those improvements are done (and verified to have been corrected) makes a lot of sense.

w00t

From a post elsewhere in the FS Section late July 2015):

M-Prod wrote:
" I found this thread thinking there are current quality issues with the Easels. I contacted BEMI/Alex about this and he assured me all of the issues found by low-gain have been fixed for some time now (the easel that Low gain bought was an old one). Just to set things straight and to prevent others from thinking current easels are being built like the ("before") pictures above. They are not anymore.
trax
legionhwp wrote:
Re: "Lowgain" hardware mods to new BEMI Easels:

Has it been verified by any actual Easel owner who purchased and received a new unit in 2015 that current BEMI 208 units have all "low gain" improvements in them.

I have seen no pictures posted by BEMI or evidence either way. Today TRAX posted his low gain easel FS saying there are still issues with the BEMI Easels. (Did he post his comparison yet?). As far as I know there is no public post or confirmation from BEMI they have addressed these concerns.

Given the track record it would be wonderful to see independent verification that new BEMI easel has these structural and other issues addressed. If everything is fixed posting proof in this thread would go a long way to rehabilitating BEMI's Easel issues.

Elsewhere in this forum someone argued "why NOT place an Order with BEMI?" arguing the waiting list and delivery times will be what they are and placing an order now at least gets you closer to buying one. I would say that if there are promised hardware upgrades that substaintially address issues with the BEMI easel, waiting to place an order until AFTER those improvements are done (and verified to have been corrected) makes a lot of sense.

w00t

From a post elsewhere in the FS Section late July 2015):

M-Prod wrote:
" I found this thread thinking there are current quality issues with the Easels. I contacted BEMI/Alex about this and he assured me all of the issues found by low-gain have been fixed for some time now (the easel that Low gain bought was an old one). Just to set things straight and to prevent others from thinking current easels are being built like the ("before") pictures above. They are not anymore.




My short answer before getting into a pissing contest with my comparison that I really don't want to post (because it is not going to be nice - and I am the biggest BEMI/BUCHLA 200e fan boy ever - its my favorite synth and I put my money where my mouth is with a very large system (s)) The Easels are still build no where near what LOW-GAIN did to this thing. thumbs up

I am still hoping that BEMI continues to work on quality so we can buy with confidence *every time* and put threads like this to rest. But until then - i will continue constructive criticism with all this modular shit - and hold them to the same professional standard I am being held to in "my job".

I love Buchla and will continue to spend my money with BEMI - AND i will continue to send the shit back until they get it right. . . but this is not just a BEMI problem - its an issue through out the modular world with zero professional standards and quality systems in place....

In my years of playing with this stuff - I have gotten bad builds from STS to Doepfer - nothing has been perfect 100% of the time - but I always work with the vendor to get it corrected and they always do.

Dealing with BEMI is great! Very responsive and always fix issues - but they need to get it right the first time!


Soooo...

Q: Would I buy a new BEMI easel -

YES! They are awesome + fun thanks BEMI and DON! - if you want a new one watch NoiseBug.net - they seem to be getting new ones every other week!!!! No wait!

Q: Are the new BEMI EASELS rolling off the assembly line as good as the LOW-GAIN improvements.

No, not even close.

w00t
Knarzwaltz
Don Buchla loves wobbly knobs, Don Buchla loves plywood, Don Buchla didn't want to improve much on the Easel design but keeping close to original. Original had issues (noise etc). Don Buchlas creations where far from perfect including quality control on shit expensive gear.

Everybody nags about these issues and more...but everybody love Buchla design

d'oh! seriously, i just don't get it lol
trax
lol
momo
@knarzwaltz: to be fair to Don, the wobbly knobs were specced for their durability and the fact they turn with a feather touch i.e. really easily. Having modules with both old (wobbly) pots and newer stiff ones, I love how easily the old ones rotate - I can literally use the edge of my little finger. The others need a definite grab to rotate! I love that Don considered how the user would interact with the thing.

Also marine ply is super durable - if you want something to look pretty I guess mahogony, oak, boxwood etc. is the choice, but if you want to make an instrument folk will actually want to lug around with a bunch of other stuff then marine ply is probably the way to go.

Fanboy out!! Cheers.
mritenburg
Given that Don has extensive experience in human factors and ergonomics, one has to wonder if Buchla instruments are intentionally designed to feel fragile/delicate so that perceptually the performer treats them as fragile/delicate instruments?

Contrast that with the Wiard 300. To quote Grant Richter "you can mount a Wiard 300 in a sturdy flight case, throw it down a stairwell, and then use it like nothing had happened."
thesnow
don't you all know that every eurorack user on this forum knows more than don buchla
trax
mritenburg wrote:
Given that Don has extensive experience in human factors and ergonomics, one has to wonder if Buchla instruments are intentionally designed to feel fragile/delicate so that perceptually the performer treats them as fragile/delicate instruments?


Seriously?

As you know (you have been a new school Buchla owner (like myself) from day '0' - and know that Don basically had people with zero manufacturing knowledge assemble these thing. (I cant even count the number of times I have received modules from both Buchla and BEMI that have missing lock washers - so when you transport you system it falls apart in your trunk lol ) - 200e owners you better look now! the sekret is out!) You also know that the new BEMI is still not shipping shit that works 100% (the unit you got from noisebug last month)

From what I see (as a buchla owner since 2005) is most of the problems people bitch about are human assembly issues. (someone is just not paying attention / and/or gives a shit / having a boo hoo bad day.)


thumbs up
thetwlo
Knarzwaltz wrote:
Don Buchla didn't want to improve much on the Easel design but keeping close to original.


Really, are you sure? I heard Don had ZERO to do with the new version. I thought he was actually against(or at least indifferent to) it even happening.
Guidotoons
I'm wide awake in this dream. I'm typing and wide awake.

Don is massaging my shoulders while Mort serenades us with the theme from 'M*A*S*H*" on a 200e. All is well until the modulation before the chorus, when (your personal Jesus here) runs onstage clutching the rarest of rare 100 Series modules, "Winged Trianguluum Generator". It is basically an MS-20 in a 4 wide panel. He patches it in and Mort screams at him to stop. He runs sheepishly from the stage and immediately sells the module to a European buyer, who puts it on Ebay and ends up parting it out.

About that time, Ken Kesey turned into a butterfly and flew onto Don's shoulder. Don smiled, knowingly, and gently blew the butterflied Kesey towards a giant fan, where he was blown into orbit.

Yeah. That's what happened, man.

The End
Slabwax
Guidotoons wrote:
I'm wide awake in this dream. I'm typing and wide awake.

Don is massaging my shoulders while Mort serenades us with the theme from 'M*A*S*H*" on a 200e. All is well until the modulation before the chorus, when (your personal Jesus here) runs onstage clutching the rarest of rare 100 Series modules, "Winged Trianguluum Generator". It is basically an MS-20 in a 4 wide panel. He patches it in and Mort screams at him to stop. He runs sheepishly from the stage and immediately sells the module to a European buyer, who puts it on Ebay and ends up parting it out.

About that time, Ken Kesey turned into a butterfly and flew onto Don's shoulder. Don smiled, knowingly, and gently blew the butterflied Kesey towards a giant fan, where he was blown into orbit.

Yeah. That's what happened, man.

The End


No thing better then a tab on a Friday evening.
ttown23
Slabwax wrote:
Guidotoons wrote:
I'm wide awake in this dream. I'm typing and wide awake.

Don is massaging my shoulders while Mort serenades us with the theme from 'M*A*S*H*" on a 200e. All is well until the modulation before the chorus, when (your personal Jesus here) runs onstage clutching the rarest of rare 100 Series modules, "Winged Trianguluum Generator". It is basically an MS-20 in a 4 wide panel. He patches it in and Mort screams at him to stop. He runs sheepishly from the stage and immediately sells the module to a European buyer, who puts it on Ebay and ends up parting it out.

About that time, Ken Kesey turned into a butterfly and flew onto Don's shoulder. Don smiled, knowingly, and gently blew the butterflied Kesey towards a giant fan, where he was blown into orbit.

Yeah. That's what happened, man.

The End


No thing better then a tab on a Friday evening.


SlayerBadger!
chorus7
Might seem like a silly question but has anyone compared the circuitry or board design of the new Easel to the old one? or to one of the clones? Does it differ much?

Again hopefully not a totally silly question...
richard
Guidotoons wrote:
I'm wide awake in this dream. I'm typing and wide awake.

Don is massaging my shoulders while Mort serenades us with the theme from 'M*A*S*H*" on a 200e. All is well until the modulation before the chorus, when (your personal Jesus here) runs onstage clutching the rarest of rare 100 Series modules, "Winged Trianguluum Generator". It is basically an MS-20 in a 4 wide panel. He patches it in and Mort screams at him to stop. He runs sheepishly from the stage and immediately sells the module to a European buyer, who puts it on Ebay and ends up parting it out.

About that time, Ken Kesey turned into a butterfly and flew onto Don's shoulder. Don smiled, knowingly, and gently blew the butterflied Kesey towards a giant fan, where he was blown into orbit.

Yeah. That's what happened, man.

The End


one of your more coherent posts Guido
yaosichen
this is mine but i don't think i know what it is
ttown23
MechaSeb wrote:
ttown23 wrote:
the Korg Trident (which I just restored) had both a UA726HC and a TEMPCO.


Interesting. Do you think it was out from factory like this or it has been added by any tech later ?


Yes; for sure out of the factory. Actually, that TEMPCO was problematic and had to be replaced, but now the tracking is quite good for this synth.
ttown23
yaosichen wrote:
this is mine but i don't think i know what it is


Yours has the SSM adapter board in place of the UA726HC.
suckspit
can someone please point me where this lowgain mods are?
curious but can't seem to find it...
Guidotoons
richard wrote:


one of your more coherent posts Guido


Thanks.

That means so much coming from a guy that has 6800+ posts.

I must really be 'getting it', then!

Thanks for taking the time to congratulate me!

Cheers!
felixer
lol i love this forum. other people watch cheers, i read this hihi or wait, it's like the muppetshow: the continuing stoooooory of an easel that went to the dogs Mr. Green sorry (hides) please continue ....
Duplan
Back to the technical aspects...

1.

I find my Easel is tuned very high, does anyone know if there is a way to tune both oscillators something like one octave lower ? Trimmer of something ?

It's a problem because :
- I can't get any super low notes with the "red" VCO (and going into ultra-high frequency territory is of no use for me)
- in LFO mode, the modulation oscillator is never slow enough

I've heard that more recent Easels were tuned one octave lower...


2.

Is there any way to make the release of the Lopass gate a bit longer ? (I'm talking with the shortest enveloppe, and in "combination" mode)


Cheers help
Umcorps
I think I've posted this before but its a long thread so here is a repost of the calibration routine I was given by BEMI

"On the front of the Easel faceplate there will be 2 fine tune knobs and 2 trim pots.

Make sure all of these are set to %50 percent.

With all the front panel sliders set to bottom position, connect the 218 ‘main’ output into the 208 ‘pitch’ input.

With the 208 taken out of its case there will be 4 trim pots on the back side of the mother-board.

Printed on the circuit board next to these trim pots you will see ‘C-Range’ ‘C-Offset’ ‘M-Range’ and ‘M-Offset’ respectively.

C refers to the complex oscillator
M refers to the modulation oscillator

To begin, make sure these trim pots are centered to %50.

To begin calibration of the complex oscillator raise level 1 on the front panel, turn the timbre knob fully clockwise and set it to a square wave.
Setting the 218 keyboard to octave mode, in the first octave, press key #1 (the key of C).
Slowly adjust the ‘C-offset’ trim pot on the back of the motherboard until your tuner reads C1 (32.7hrz) Then press key #13, adjust the trim pot on the front of the 208 until it reaches C2.

(sometimes this will not be immediately within range due to the nature of analog, if this happens, adjust the ‘C-Range’ trimpot on the back of the motherboard to get it closer to C2, and repeat the steps above once more)

Using the steps above, once C1 and C2 are tuned, you will notice that the 218 will have the notes tuned between C1 and C2. Once this is achieved, press C3 (key #25).

Slowly adjust the front panel trim pot until it is within range of C3. Repeat this step all the way up the octaves until the 208 is tuned to your liking.

These steps are exactly the same for the Modulation oscillator.

On cards 6 and 7 there are 2 different trim pots called ‘C HI Freq Linearity’ and ‘M HI Freq Linearity’. These can be adjusted to your liking for stabilizing the pitch of both oscillators.

Because the higher notes will not be in the ‘perfect’ tune range, each oscillator will most likely need to be tuned to the offset of each other.
"


I think the example tunings given are the default, higher ones but you can use the same process to drop it an octave or whatever. Its tuned high by default to work better with midi if you want to go that route.
Zeitdehner
Yes, you can trim all sorts of parameters of the 208, b