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Cwejman, Livewire, TipTop Audio, Doepfer etc... Get your euro on!

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Post by NV » Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:37 pm

science wrote:I don't really know much about interfacing the two, though I know I've seen several systems on here with mixed euro/frac, so I'm sure someone here has it figured out.
There's no problem interfacing different formats beyond separate power requirements. The worst that can happen is a particular CV or audio signal may be a bit stronger than you're used to in the euro realm, which is solved by a touch of attenuation. There are some modules out there that have oddly sensitive inputs which can be damaged by powerful gate/trigger signals, but those are rare cases that are more often the product of tenuous design rather than overly powered gates.

The only modules I've encountered thus far that have gates/triggers which rouse slight concern are particular DIY and vintage designs, but even then it's likely not an issue and can be solved by a passive attenuator or a single resistor, both of which you're likely very capable of if you're using a DIY module. As my personal soap box I believe everyone should have attenuators lying around anyhow - best $2 you'll ever spend on your modular.

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Post by Esnan » Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:53 pm

Peake wrote:Wonderful. External sweep is very important.

Wow, this looks like a very fun module, but I don't fully understad it.

How does it for example differ from STG's upcoming Graphic Sequencer?
And what is the SWEEP parameter? Please explain.

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Post by makenoise » Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:55 pm

Small format users should just have both Frac and Euro if they are so inclined. Interfacing is painless. Certainly not worth porting designs across the lines.

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Post by antennafarm » Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:18 pm

frac and euro are not a problem.

although really, the only reason why i have frac is because of blacet.

if frac diehards want to keep the format around, they better open up their wallets!

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Post by parasitk » Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:39 pm

At this point I just wish Blacet would go Euro, kill the damn format for good, so we could stop having this discussion. Mixing the two formats is not a big deal, just kind of annoying.

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Post by ignatius » Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:46 pm

i have a handful of frac because i could get them banana jacks to go w/my modcan A series stuff. plus they are awesome modules.. all banana here..

so, if i add euro then i'd have to add a 19inch panel of 1/8 to nanner.. no biggie just an extra rack space in whatever custom cabinet i make one day. of course i'd have to get another case for the euro and those options are getting better.. i wish the 6U racks came apart and could be mounted side by side..

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Post by scozbor » Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:56 pm

my system will be primarily frac with some essential / unique euro modules.
i'm not too concerned about the lack of frac manufacturers. though I would be very upset if blacet disappeared.

theres a shitload of DIY out there which is where you will find the frac heads.
stuffing larger formats into 3U

fucking great module by the way :yay:

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Post by miditerranean » Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:07 pm

I'm very interested to see what this module can do especially with just the other euroWiard modules.

I'd love to start a Frac system but only if I can get ahold of some BugBrand and Metalbox.

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Post by ignatius » Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:21 pm

miditerranean wrote:I'm very interested to see what this module can do especially with just the other euroWiard modules.
+1 and add a few livewire/asys/makenoise etc :hyper:
miditerranean wrote:I'd love to start a Frac system but only if I can get ahold of some BugBrand and Metalbox.
i don't know the availability of the bugbrand stuff.. seems all special order though... metalbox is readily available.. built to order. there's even a paypal check out cart.

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Post by Moog$FooL$ » Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:21 pm

science wrote:
Moog$FooL$ wrote::rage: !!!!!!

why the frac hate!!!!! oh why???? :waah: :waah: :waah:

will any of this stuff ever be released in frac?? :rage: :despair: :bang:
I don't think it's frac hate so much as it is manufacturers not wanting to lose money to satisfy 5 people. I know I've heard from several people, as well as read here, that frac modules aren't selling.

It sucks, but it's not like this is an industry where manufacturers can afford to eat the loss.

Why not just add 3U of euro to your system?
yeah.... that pretty much sums it up!!
i like frac for the diy aspect..... i'm sure if any of these were to be in frac, they'd not be kit avail. anyways.

schematics anyone?? nirk nirk!! :razz:

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Post by anselmi » Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:23 pm

CLAPS! :nana:

yeah, CLAPS!

res filtered noise to VCA and this thing...CLAPS! :yay: :yay: :yay:

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Post by wetterberg » Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:02 am

parasitk wrote:At this point I just wish Blacet would go Euro, kill the damn format for good, so we could stop having this discussion. Mixing the two formats is not a big deal, just kind of annoying.
Blacet, BugBrand and MetalBox - I think they'd all sell a lot more units if they went euro!

Tom Bugs--- are you listening?!? WE NEED YOU!

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Post by wetterberg » Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:02 am

anselmi wrote:CLAPS! :nana:

yeah, CLAPS!

res filtered noise to VCA and this thing...CLAPS! :yay: :yay: :yay:
we have a connoisseur in our midst :tu:

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Post by DGTom » Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:32 am

:lol: Tom Bugs could already sell more than he can make.. in a dead format! Bugbrand needs to go SMD & have the boards assembled by robots... not an issue of format there.

I doubt Blacet would go Euro unless there was a big increase in DIYers in europaland... maybe possible with these new, inexpensive case makers.. but I guess most of em are too shallow for Blacet PCBs.

But yeah, you'd have to be soft in the head at this stage to start making Frac modules, its basically a DIY format now...

Its still better than euro,

& 12" is better than digital...

& Beta is better than VHS...

:razz:

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Post by wetterberg » Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:41 am

DGTom wrote::lol: Tom Bugs could already sell more than he can make.. in a dead format! Bugbrand needs to go SMD & have the boards assembled by robots... not an issue of format there.

I doubt Blacet would go Euro unless there was a big increase in DIYers in europaland... maybe possible with these new, inexpensive case makers.. but I guess most of em are too shallow for Blacet PCBs.

But yeah, you'd have to be soft in the head at this stage to start making Frac modules, its basically a DIY format now...
Oh, I totally agree: For this to work BugBrand would need to get their stuff fully manufactured... hells yes. And yes, you're soft in the head, esp. since more and more people are moving to euro for their DIY, too ;)

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Post by DGTom » Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:04 am

wetterberg wrote:Oh, I totally agree: For this to work BugBrand would need to get their stuff fully manufactured... hells yes. And yes, you're soft in the head, esp. since more and more people are moving to euro for their DIY, too ;)
*start making Frac modules to sell retail.

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Post by ignatius » Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:20 am

there's also the MOTM frac stuff available at AH.

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Post by antennafarm » Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:21 am

is there a "real" reason why frac is better than euro? or euro is better than frac?

NOT module availability -- i think euro has that one locked up :) .. something like a better reason to run whichever voltage, stability of a particular package, etc.

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Post by scozbor » Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:24 am

antennafarm wrote:is there a "real" reason why frac is better than euro? or euro is better than frac?

NOT module availability -- i think euro has that one locked up :) .. something like a better reason to run whichever voltage, stability of a particular package, etc.
i've asked this question before.

it killed the thread :hihi:

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Post by DGTom » Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:23 am

Frac is clearly better as it is in imperial demensions & Euro is metric which, as we all know, is the tool of the devil :flamey:

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Post by suitandtieguy » Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:41 am

actually euro is an imperial format as well. 5HP = 1 inch.

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Post by DGTom » Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:50 am

dammit! guess that means I gotta quit burning people at the stake & subjecting them to trial by ordeal then huh!? Well... it was fun while it lasted :emt:

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Post by apemandan » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:59 am

just found it in the modular planner already.. :tu:


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