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ALL NOTE: People using this forum for business communication
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Author ALL NOTE: People using this forum for business communication
Muff Wiggler
this is a difficult and uncomfortable message for me to write.

I just want to make sure that everyone is clear about something - if someone is doing business over this forum (privately in the Buy/Sell, or through a company hosted forum, or just as a member posting in a thread), this does NOT mean that the operators and owners of this forum are even aware of the transaction, let alone condone it or lend any credibility to the person(s) involved in the transaction.

I have a disclaimer up to this effect in the Buy/Sell/Trade forum, however I have noticed that business is being conducted elsewhere on this forum, and I just want to be very clear and state this forum's position on responsibility.

The PM system at this forum is provided as a bonus benefit to users here - it is NOT intended to be a tool to communicate with your customers, or build a business. Yes, some people trade goods here and communicate over PM. I'm not saying this needs to stop - just reminding you all that this is a private transaction between buyer and seller and the forum management offers no protection or gurarantee whatsoever.

For companies with hosted forums here, the situation may appear somewhat blurrier. In agreeing to host their forums, I have done some basic research on the company or individual involved - at least ascertained that they have a track record of making their deliveries, and they have a proper webpage and external contact information allowing them a direct channel of communication that doesn't rely on this forum. The hosted forums, and the PM system, are offered as a benefit to members of the community, however these are NOT meant as business development tools, and they may not be used as such. Again feel free to use the PM system to communicate with the hosted forum owners, just realize it is NOT the official 'company way' of getting in touch with them, and the management of this forum cannot be held responsible if you have trouble with these independant companies.

I am sorry to have to put this message out there, however recently I have learned that a case manufacturer has been using this forum as the primary method of communication with thieir clients, something I had never been asked about or told was happening. Their website offers no contact information whatsoever, nor any information about WHO the people you are dealing with are. In fact the website instructs interested parties to contact the seller in a thread here at this forum. This is completely and utterly unacceptable to me - you cannot have business and anonymitiy at the same time, and I will not stand for this forum being used as a cover to try to create that sort of situation. I have suspended the PM functionality of this user - however they can still receive PMs. If you have a pending transaction you are concerned with, you should contact this individual via PM, and make sure to include your email address so that they can get back to you through a proper, traceable and official method of communication.

thank-you for your understanding.
makenoise
Muff Wiggler wrote:

The PM system at this forum is provided as a bonus benefit to users here - it is NOT intended to be a tool to communicate with your customers, or build a business.


I receive customer support inquiries via Muff Wiggler PM system. I much prefer use of email over PMs for customer support. I have my email address published at this forum, my website and on the info sheets included with every module. Email is easier to track and I check it more often.
I am sure other manufacturers share similar feelings regarding the use of the Muff Wiggler PM system for customer support, so please try to use email for customer support inquiries.

Thank you,

Tony Rolando
Make Noise
sandyb
SlayerBadger!
sandyb
just a reminder that if you are a manufacturer/business you should *not* be using the PM system to conduct your dealings. you should be using your own website or, at minimum, your own email address.

if you are reading this and not sure whether it applies to you feel free to contact me for clarification.
fluxmonkey
would it be possible to give members who provide an email contact to OPT OUT of receiving PMs? i'm not quite a business, but i do short runs of PCBs from time to time, trying to sort out/reconcile PMs and email is just a huge PITA.

bbob


makenoise wrote:
Muff Wiggler wrote:

The PM system at this forum is provided as a bonus benefit to users here - it is NOT intended to be a tool to communicate with your customers, or build a business.


I receive customer support inquiries via Muff Wiggler PM system. I much prefer use of email over PMs for customer support. I have my email address published at this forum, my website and on the info sheets included with every module. Email is easier to track and I check it more often.
I am sure other manufacturers share similar feelings regarding the use of the Muff Wiggler PM system for customer support, so please try to use email for customer support inquiries.

Thank you,

Tony Rolando
Make Noise
sandyb
fluxmonkey wrote:
would it be possible to give members who provide an email contact to OPT OUT of receiving PMs? i'm not quite a business, but i do short runs of PCBs from time to time, trying to sort out/reconcile PMs and email is just a huge PITA.

bbob


i don't think so.
i know that your ability to send PMs can be restricted but i am uncertain if that affects your ability to receive them. i have a feeling it doesn't.
we could try it out and see. probably best to drop me a PM and we can sort it out.
quintosardo
Muff Wiggler

Hi! My name s Quinto, I manage www.sknote.it

We are defining our first Eurorack product and I was collecting hints from internet to decide what to design. I was pointed to this forum as a good place for such a poll.

Is a thread where I ask for such suggestions welcome here? (I mean, commercial company, etc. etc.)

Thanks smile

Q.
rofilm
I´ve read the opening post (of course I did) and agree with what is said and with the intention I think to understand.
But there is a question to ask. Am I a business? I´m a synth enthusiast with about 40 years of experience. And I´m a father of 5 daughters, a grandpa of 10 grandchildren and a grand-grandpa of the first child one of my granddaughters has given birth to. This needs to be said, so that you´ll believe me, that I´m a poor man (by money. Rich by love). Really. But I´ve got an idea. The idea of founding a whole (virtual) city devoted to modular synthesis. It´s really something very special. There is an introductionary video about it, but I don´t want to post a link in my first post here, not before I´m ask to do so. And now back to my question, whether I´m a business needing to be part of this company chapter. I cannot afford the costs occuring with the foundation of Modular City and therefore I´ve invented a paid citizenship. So, is that a buisiness? and what consequences would that have for me wanting to post about the project here?
Thank you in advance.
Enjoy your day!¨
Rolf
Joe.
rofilm wrote:
I cannot afford the costs occuring with the foundation of Modular City and therefore I´ve invented a paid citizenship. So, is that a buisiness?


Discussions on citizenship will fall under the area of politics, and will be locked.

While your project may be an exercise in whimsy, it will invite more serious real-world issues to be explored and discussed in threads you create about the subject. Those types of discussions are not welcome here.
rofilm
... you probably didn´t notice the word "virtual". It should be clear, that Modular City is a virtual town. And as far as I know constitutions and similar laws etc, the "citizenship" of a virtual town is definitely not a question of politics :-)
(as less as is the participation in a video game).
Modular City is a virtual town. There are vitual buildings in it (like a vertial university, a vertial town hall, a virtual Junior High School, and a virtual Senior High and virtual townhall, and a virtual hardware workshop and a virtual patch factory etc. In each building there are virtual rooms and in each room - well, there are, imagine, exhibition, workshops, demonstrations, experiments concerning modular synthesis going on.
So, you really want to tell me, that an Internet site (called "Modular City"), that is concerned with modular synthesis doesn´t belong to the matter, which are welcome to be discussed here?
Enjoy your day!
Rolf
Joe.
rofilm wrote:
you probably didn´t notice the word "virtual". It should be clear, that Modular City is a virtual town. And as far as I know constitutions and similar laws etc, the "citizenship" of a virtual town is definitely not a question of politics


I notice all words.

I've already explained why the wording is problematic, and why it will result in locked threads.

If you do not understand the difference between membership, and citizenship, then i suggest you research the matter further before posting again.
sduck
Sounds like it's just a semantic problem that's vexing Joe. Instead of citizens, call the people using this whatever members, or users or whatever. Personally, I don't have a problem with this idea, although without more information it's hard to have much of an ida what it really is. Why don't you just go ahead and proceed with your announcement, plan or whatever, and we'll see how it works out? It sounds like you're still in the idea phase anyway.
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