Advice from my fellow Wigglers (SSM2030 Osc)

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Do i produce these

yes
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Post by mono-poly » Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:52 pm

ssm2030's go for over 50 euro now.
So $250 for a build module is a bargain.
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Post by worker8 » Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:24 pm

makenoise wrote:Use 2030 to keep the classics running.

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Post by levka » Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:39 pm

@malekko:
Would it's CV-in also run from Doepfer's internal CV bus ?

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Post by paults » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:21 pm

EMu modulars used their own potted module design (actually it was 2 potted modules, 1 was the expo converter, the other was the sawtooth core).

The confusion: Dave Rossum of EMu *designed* the SSM20xx series of ICs. Ron Dow of Exar did the IC layouts.

SSM ICs (all but the 2056 EG which was done on a different process) suffer from 2 issues:

a) ESD sensitivity
b) the +- power supply rails need to "come up" at the same time or the part can latch up (this was a common problem in the late 70s/early 80s bipolar IC processes).

Here is a thought: make a dual VCO and add a socket for a 3rd *spare* 2030 IC that has all pins tied to ground. It's like a spare tire in a car :bananaguitar:

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Post by thetwlo » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:30 pm

The 2030 has the best PWM I've heard.
I've heard comments that the Oakley VCO is similar, but have never heard the Oakley. My weird emu/DIY thing is all 2030/2040 and sounds amazing. The E-mu Audity and the E-mu diy eval boards used the 20x0 chips as well. I thought later E-mu modulars did start using the SSM chips, no?

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Post by science » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:32 pm

I'd probably be in for the dual osc idea...

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Post by Suburban Bather » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:55 pm

I voted "yes," but only if you end up making it a dual VCO :sb: I would pass on this, but I think a dual 2030 VCO will sell pretty fast.

Two Anti's, a Hurtz Donut, MFB Osc-02, and one of Paul's new modules will do it for me on Euro VCO's.

I'm more interested in the rest of the Wiard modules and delay. Any progress on the delay? I want, I want :cry:
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Post by Chuck E. Jesus » Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:16 pm

i've been think of one more osc, was considering the Cwejman VCO 6, but i'd take a close look at the SSM, single please...

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Post by vav » Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:19 pm

Chuck E. Jesus wrote:i've been think of one more osc, was considering the Cwejman VCO 6, but i'd take a close look at the SSM, single please...
OMFG CHUCK E JESUS, THAT DRUM GUY ON MYSPACE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
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Post by Chuck E. Jesus » Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:24 pm

vav wrote:
Chuck E. Jesus wrote:i've been think of one more osc, was considering the Cwejman VCO 6, but i'd take a close look at the SSM, single please...
OMFG CHUCK E JESUS, THAT DRUM GUY ON MYSPACE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
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Post by NV » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:04 am

I would imagine an analogue dual-oscillator design with unique built-in cross modulation capabilities would be interesting, particularly at a price that competes well with the Cwejman and Macbeth offerings. Something like that would certainly add some spice to a somewhat saturated oscillator market.

I think that the differences between "standard" analogue oscillators are subtle enough to warrant manufacturers adopting interesting takes on the tried and true oscillator architecture. Anything you can do to add more unique designs to modulars would be wonderful in my opinion.

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Post by dougt » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:52 am

Malekko wrote:as i have a Rev1 P5 AND the only double manual SSM P10 in existence!
Ah so you have it now? That was my P10 for a while... Ever get it working?

As far as SSM2030 modules go I dunno. The 2030s are not what made the P-5 rev1/2 special. Save them for future repairs...

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Post by vav » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:49 pm

Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
vav wrote:
Chuck E. Jesus wrote:i've been think of one more osc, was considering the Cwejman VCO 6, but i'd take a close look at the SSM, single please...
OMFG CHUCK E JESUS, THAT DRUM GUY ON MYSPACE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
:?:
I was drunk, sorry.

There is/was a guy on myspace named Chuck E. Budd, whose deal was pictures of some fat guy playing the bongos on everything...guitars, penguins, toilets, etc.

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Post by Chuck E. Jesus » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:55 pm

vav wrote:
I was drunk, sorry.
what's that like?

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Post by vav » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:59 pm

Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
vav wrote:
I was drunk, sorry.
what's that like?
From what i remember, it was quite off topic. :razz:
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Post by Chuck E. Jesus » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:59 pm

vav wrote:
Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
vav wrote:
I was drunk, sorry.
what's that like?
From what i remember, it was quite off topic. :razz:
sorry, i thought you were just taking your work home with you :party:

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Post by vav » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:03 pm

Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
vav wrote:
Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
vav wrote:
I was drunk, sorry.
what's that like?
From what i remember, it was quite off topic. :razz:
sorry, i thought you were just taking your work home with you :party:
i was. Now shh, let's talk about Osc's! The beer thread is in Off Topic! :hyper: :guinness:


So i love the sound of sync'd Sequential oscillators, i assume this would be implemented in the module?
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Post by Peake » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:36 pm

REwire wrote:Not for me, thank you. I never heard an SSM or CEM based 80's synth that sounded that good in one voice.
Dang. That's a good point. At least three oscillators would be needed to make a nice mono sound.

The SSM isn't huge, but it has a very nice tone. Very nice.
This is not the place I'd imagined it to be.

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Post by mono-poly » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:43 pm

He never heard the 2030 i guess :)
dougt wrote:
Malekko wrote:as i have a Rev1 P5 AND the only double manual SSM P10 in existence!
Ah so you have it now? That was my P10 for a while... Ever get it working?

As far as SSM2030 modules go I dunno. The 2030s are not what made the P-5 rev1/2 special. Save them for future repairs...
Huh that is exactly what makes it special with the 2040 vcf.
So much greater sounding as the boring rev 3.
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Post by bbow73 » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:42 pm

I vote yes, there are more :deadbanana: oscillators than there are :bananaguitar:
and this would be :bananaguitar:

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Post by dougt » Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:53 am

mono-poly wrote: Huh that is exactly what makes it special with the 2040 vcf.
So much greater sounding as the boring rev 3.
Huh? Exactly - it's the 2040s that make it special not the 2030s... 8_)
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Post by dougt » Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:54 am

REwire wrote:Not for me, thank you. I never heard an SSM or CEM based 80's synth that sounded that good in one voice.
The Pro-One is all CEM and it sounds pretty damn good to me! :mrgreen:

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Post by mono-poly » Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:26 am

I think it would still sound different if they used a cem vco instead off ssm.
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Post by wavehead » Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:14 pm

so if this never ended up going into production, what other ssm2030 oscillator modules exist out there? i would love to have an oscillator with that prophet sound... right now I do all my recording/performing with a Pro-One, and I can't get over how much I love it's sound... it would be cool to have something similar sounding with different functions in my modular.

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