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Advice from my fellow Wigglers (SSM2030 Osc)
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Do i produce these
yes
51%
 51%  [ 21 ]
no
48%
 48%  [ 20 ]
Total Votes : 41

Author Advice from my fellow Wigglers (SSM2030 Osc)
Malekko
He, i have about 200 2030's and i've been considering using 50 or so to do a small run of euro oscs with.
There are a bunch of oscs out right now so i wonder if there would be any interest in another. If i did it the price would be about 250.00 and this is what it would look like. The work is really already done...i have a schematic ready...it's just should i sink a bunch of money and time in a product or not.



wetterberg
I think 250 is too high for such a device, even though I do like the layout.

(okay, I've always like large Coarse knobs and small Fine knobs, but that's a matter of taste)

To be honest, aren't we close to saturation on oscillators and filters? bah, what do I know. seriously, i just don't get it headcrabs!
Malekko
wetterberg wrote:
I think 250 is too high for such a device, even though I do like the layout.

(okay, I've always like large Coarse knobs and small Fine knobs, but that's a matter of taste)

To be honest, aren't we close to saturation on oscillators and filters? bah, what do I know. seriously, i just don't get it headcrabs!


I'm with you on having a lot of choices...but having a lot of options isnt necessarily a bad thing. And i would have to say 250 is a pretty darn good price. I'm not sure if there is an osc similar to this for that price...the A-111 is 350.00 and it doesnt have hard or soft sync...not to mention try to find a 3020 for under 50.00!
Robba
Price woud be too high for me at this moment (not meaning t say that its too high for this module). especially with all the great new oscillators that are around at the moment. If im going to spend a lot of money I would spend first it on the anti or the hertz.
timmah
not for me, i'm eyeing up the polivoks vco and the synthtech cloud generator.

Having lots of options is great, but we don't want to saturate the market with so many options that manufacturors begin to struggle.
berfmurret
i am osc'd out atm... seriously, i just don't get it

price seems good. layout seems awesome. you did say small run and if producing only 50 of these is enough to make it worth your while then maybe you should. even if just for the sake of being able to have a _complete_ malekko system?... (dumb reason)

i AM in need of more fancy pants envelopes though!
Norman_Phay
Very likely I'd buy one of these, maybe 2, It looks good! Apart from the chip graphic with "SSM2040" in it, that looks nasty. I would replace it with text "SSM VCO" in a nice typeface.
wetterberg
Malekko wrote:
wetterberg wrote:
I think 250 is too high for such a device, even though I do like the layout.

(okay, I've always like large Coarse knobs and small Fine knobs, but that's a matter of taste)

To be honest, aren't we close to saturation on oscillators and filters? bah, what do I know. seriously, i just don't get it headcrabs!


I'm with you on having a lot of choices...but having a lot of options isnt necessarily a bad thing.
I am most certainly not saying that options are a bad thing.

But I AM saying that I would rather see you spend your time, energy and money on delivering UNIQUE devices rather than variations on theme.

Malekko wrote:
And i would have to say 250 is a pretty darn good price. I'm not sure if there is an osc similar to this for that price...the A-111 is 350.00 and it doesnt have hard or soft sync...
Then I'm happy for you, because that means that you're not as broke as I am... ! When I have to spend that kind of money I have to *justify* it somehow, and usually "uniqueness" brings things to the top of the list - look at people setting aside money for HzDs, CloudGens and such.

Malekko wrote:
not to mention try to find a 3020 for under 50.00!
I know, but that's more likely to be caused by all those broken Prophet 5s out there, no?

I can see this being a GREAT primary oscillator, though. The pro5 sound is awesome. .. but then I'd want to see more than 50 hit the market?
kidtesla
I'd say "go for it" thumbs up ...price point is fair,imo ...options in available modules are always a good thing.
Kent
So, guys. I have the following questions:

1) what is special about the 2030?

2) is there a definitive and/or representative 2030 'sound'?

If I knew this, I could contribute to the discussion as it would bring some clarity for me.
wetterberg
@Kent: it's in the Prophet 5.
makenoise
Use 2030 to keep the classics running.

Tony
DrOctave
makenoise wrote:
Use 2030 to keep the classics running.

Tony


use the 2030 to start a new classic. and only do a limited run so it instantly becomes one.
Malekko
makenoise wrote:
Use 2030 to keep the classics running.

Tony


yeah, theres that too...i would keep the majority of them for that...2030's rarely are the IC that goes out in these though

I certainly have a vested interest in having enough parts to keep the classics alive...as i have a Rev1 P5 AND the only double manual SSM P10 in existence!
mono-poly
The 2030 is a badass sounding osc $250 seems a fair price i probbaly would buy one or two.
It's been used in the P5 rev1 and rev2 and the EMU modular.
DrOctave
mmmmm emu modular is sexy. rare and sexy
dubchild
you I'd buy anything you made Lotsa Love
Malekko
dubchild wrote:
you I'd buy anything you made Lotsa Love


I have a sweet paper mache unicorn i made when i was 6...okay i made it last week
hihi hihi
Veqtor
I think you should focus on the anti-envelope right now, euro is flooded with osc's, there are too many, but not enough good and interesting envelopes!
REwire
Not for me, thank you. I never heard an SSM or CEM based 80's synth that sounded that good in one voice.
intellijel
what about using all 200 chips in 50 modules to make 4 voice VCO's?


I am really missing not having simple polyphony to make chords. (I know the MFB VCO2 is an option)
Malekko
intellijel wrote:
what about using all 200 chips in 50 modules to make 4 voice VCO's?


I am really missing not having simple polyphony to make chords. (I know the MFB VCO2 is an option)


ya know...that's not a bad idea, i could do 25 dual oscs.....
mono-poly
People really have no clue how good the 2030 sounds.
Most euro vcos even won't close.
Maleko i rather see single modules.

This vco with the 2040 is gonna be great!
breakscience
I vote a dual osc for $350!! thumbs up
wetterberg
breakscience wrote:
I vote a dual osc for $350!! thumbs up
see now THAT is interesting to me! :-D
mono-poly
ssm2030's go for over 50 euro now.
So $250 for a build module is a bargain.
worker8
makenoise wrote:
Use 2030 to keep the classics running.

Tony


+1
levka
@malekko:
Would it's CV-in also run from Doepfer's internal CV bus ?
paults
EMu modulars used their own potted module design (actually it was 2 potted modules, 1 was the expo converter, the other was the sawtooth core).

The confusion: Dave Rossum of EMu *designed* the SSM20xx series of ICs. Ron Dow of Exar did the IC layouts.

SSM ICs (all but the 2056 EG which was done on a different process) suffer from 2 issues:

a) ESD sensitivity
b) the +- power supply rails need to "come up" at the same time or the part can latch up (this was a common problem in the late 70s/early 80s bipolar IC processes).

Here is a thought: make a dual VCO and add a socket for a 3rd *spare* 2030 IC that has all pins tied to ground. It's like a spare tire in a car Rockin' Banana!
thetwlo
The 2030 has the best PWM I've heard.
I've heard comments that the Oakley VCO is similar, but have never heard the Oakley. My weird emu/DIY thing is all 2030/2040 and sounds amazing. The E-mu Audity and the E-mu diy eval boards used the 20x0 chips as well. I thought later E-mu modulars did start using the SSM chips, no?
science
I'd probably be in for the dual osc idea...
Suburban Bather
I voted "yes," but only if you end up making it a dual VCO SlayerBadger! I would pass on this, but I think a dual 2030 VCO will sell pretty fast.

Two Anti's, a Hurtz Donut, MFB Osc-02, and one of Paul's new modules will do it for me on Euro VCO's.

I'm more interested in the rest of the Wiard modules and delay. Any progress on the delay? I want, I want cry
Chuck E. Jesus
i've been think of one more osc, was considering the Cwejman VCO 6, but i'd take a close look at the SSM, single please...
vav
Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
i've been think of one more osc, was considering the Cwejman VCO 6, but i'd take a close look at the SSM, single please...


OMFG CHUCK E JESUS, THAT DRUM GUY ON MYSPACE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
Chuck E. Jesus
vav wrote:
Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
i've been think of one more osc, was considering the Cwejman VCO 6, but i'd take a close look at the SSM, single please...


OMFG CHUCK E JESUS, THAT DRUM GUY ON MYSPACE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA


question
NV
I would imagine an analogue dual-oscillator design with unique built-in cross modulation capabilities would be interesting, particularly at a price that competes well with the Cwejman and Macbeth offerings. Something like that would certainly add some spice to a somewhat saturated oscillator market.

I think that the differences between "standard" analogue oscillators are subtle enough to warrant manufacturers adopting interesting takes on the tried and true oscillator architecture. Anything you can do to add more unique designs to modulars would be wonderful in my opinion.
dougt
Malekko wrote:
as i have a Rev1 P5 AND the only double manual SSM P10 in existence!


Ah so you have it now? That was my P10 for a while... Ever get it working?

As far as SSM2030 modules go I dunno. The 2030s are not what made the P-5 rev1/2 special. Save them for future repairs...
vav
Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
vav wrote:
Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
i've been think of one more osc, was considering the Cwejman VCO 6, but i'd take a close look at the SSM, single please...


OMFG CHUCK E JESUS, THAT DRUM GUY ON MYSPACE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA


question


I was drunk, sorry.

There is/was a guy on myspace named Chuck E. Budd, whose deal was pictures of some fat guy playing the bongos on everything...guitars, penguins, toilets, etc.

example:

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
Chuck E. Jesus
vav wrote:


I was drunk, sorry.



what's that like?
vav
Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
vav wrote:


I was drunk, sorry.



what's that like?


From what i remember, it was quite off topic. razz
Chuck E. Jesus
vav wrote:
Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
vav wrote:


I was drunk, sorry.



what's that like?


From what i remember, it was quite off topic. razz


sorry, i thought you were just taking your work home with you w00t
vav
Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
vav wrote:
Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
vav wrote:


I was drunk, sorry.



what's that like?


From what i remember, it was quite off topic. razz


sorry, i thought you were just taking your work home with you w00t


i was. Now shh, let's talk about Osc's! The beer thread is in Off Topic! hyper Guinness ftw!


So i love the sound of sync'd Sequential oscillators, i assume this would be implemented in the module?
Peake
REwire wrote:
Not for me, thank you. I never heard an SSM or CEM based 80's synth that sounded that good in one voice.


Dang. That's a good point. At least three oscillators would be needed to make a nice mono sound.

The SSM isn't huge, but it has a very nice tone. Very nice.
mono-poly
He never heard the 2030 i guess smile

dougt wrote:
Malekko wrote:
as i have a Rev1 P5 AND the only double manual SSM P10 in existence!


Ah so you have it now? That was my P10 for a while... Ever get it working?

As far as SSM2030 modules go I dunno. The 2030s are not what made the P-5 rev1/2 special. Save them for future repairs...


Huh that is exactly what makes it special with the 2040 vcf.
So much greater sounding as the boring rev 3.
bbow73
I vote yes, there are more Dead Banana oscillators than there are Rockin' Banana!
and this would be Rockin' Banana!
dougt
mono-poly wrote:

Huh that is exactly what makes it special with the 2040 vcf.
So much greater sounding as the boring rev 3.


Huh? Exactly - it's the 2040s that make it special not the 2030s... 8_)
dougt
REwire wrote:
Not for me, thank you. I never heard an SSM or CEM based 80's synth that sounded that good in one voice.


The Pro-One is all CEM and it sounds pretty damn good to me! Mr. Green
mono-poly
I think it would still sound different if they used a cem vco instead off ssm.
wavehead
so if this never ended up going into production, what other ssm2030 oscillator modules exist out there? i would love to have an oscillator with that prophet sound... right now I do all my recording/performing with a Pro-One, and I can't get over how much I love it's sound... it would be cool to have something similar sounding with different functions in my modular.
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