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Post by s o l v e n t » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:10 am

Please let's keep this thread to reviews, thanks.

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Post by darenager » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:40 pm

Just sat through all 4 hours, brilliant, worth every penny, I look foreward to more. The only slight complaint I'd have was some of the flashing video fx were a bit hard on the eyes, but fortunately there were not many.

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Post by oliver69 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:20 pm

Fantastic Documentary, really enjoyed it.

Personally I could of done with an extra hour for part 2 and left the Part 1 for the people who aren't familiar with the beginnings of modular synthesis on another disc. I would of liked to seen more of Gary Numan, Gavin Russom and his DIY Stuff, and also could of done with a mention/interview of Eno.

But overall I thought you guys did a fantastic job! You have just fuelled my obbession for modular synthesis even more!

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Post by skery » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:33 am

I just got through it, really enjoyed both parts, like others I thought the first part was great, the second I would have liked more. Never thought a 4 hour movie I would want more of.

I want more of the interviews. There was one frustrating scene with vince clarke where it showed him talking to Solvent but the VoiceOver ran over it, and wish more of the noodles by the artists were shown, for a couple of reasons. First, just to show the sound difference between the different modulars, but also the different styles the artists bring to the modulars. I thought solvent's soundtrack was great though, quite varied, showed lots of styles and elements. Look forward to the cd.

Really would like to see more of the extended interviews, especially vince Clarke, Daniel Miller, Gary Numan, Trent Reznor, jack dangers. I felt we got a lot of what the old guys said, but maybe the 2nd part was spread a little thin on the big guys, and focused too much on the guy handed a modular two days before.

Solvent's story broke up a bit towards the end but I really liked the girl's story. (What was her name? I prefer in docs that they throw up the names a couple of times. I can't always remember who they are.

Anyway, great job!

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Post by veygo1 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:43 am

Fantastic doc, well worth the wait. Loved every min. No narration complaints from me,all worked great. Brilliant job, blue ray looks great...bring on the 8 hr version pt 2..

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Post by de_raaf » Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:50 pm

really great job, it watched it in a whole with a 15 minute break
the first part is really well done docu, and can sit next to other more historic documents or nicely fills some gaps, my only remark is it should have stopped after jack dangers with his synth100, the kid with his dream synth, really beautiful moment, hard to surpass, or placed at the very end

2nd part i enjoyed a lot too, a few moments it lots it tension, quite like the nod to how is it made (or how is that canadian program called on discovery) some interviews could have been a bit longer or more in depth to give more overall strength to this great effort
really liked solvent story, very honest view i think!

but overall an amazing job and effort, a great way to see a closer look on some musicians and makers, defiantly more amazed by this community

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Post by pugix » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:38 pm

I especially liked the segue in Part 2, where precision control with digital modules and computers is followed by potato-generated CV. Vegetable-Controlled Oscillators. :lol:
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Post by legionhwp » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:14 pm

Re-watched the HE part II this week and wanted to mention something I thought they did which I have never seen anywhere else...

The coverage of ALL modular users was very interesting. There are mentions and even some interviews with manufacturers mentioning a growing portion of EURO users who not only are not musicians, but aren't even really traditional electronic synth or modular users. One manufacturer mentioned some people patch up their units for the blinking lights alone. Paul S. of MOTM had a very insightful comment about the differences between his 5U buyers and Euro buyers. In most cases when artists were dabling in modular for the first time it was usually euro and often esoteric stuff (ie: not just Doepfer). For some of this crowd you don't even need to know what the module is or does as long as you have fun getting something out of it. (now the legending on Make Noise is starting to make more sense to me!)

Most electronic music documentaries focus only on the history and geek fanboys. IDOW HE goes further than that which I thought was quite enlightening. I personally didn't always understand or appreciate some of the applications folks have for these creatures but I thought it was very cool that the documentary showed multiple sides to the "new" wave of modular luv.
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Post by Valleyroad » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:48 pm

Loving it!
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Post by darenager » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:07 pm

Oh yeah, the narration was up to BBC standards easily, great job.

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Post by de_raaf » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:20 am

paul is a bit narrow minded to who uses eurorack, maybe it just because 5u is done direct and euro through distributors/shops, a little shortsighted that kind of gives a feel why i should buy his modules though, fuck elite stuff

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Post by darenager » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:34 am

Erm probably not really a review or thought on IDOW is it?

And besides, hardly elite behaviour viewtopic.php?t=91811

I think maybe you misunderstood what he was saying? I didn't read it like that.

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Post by de_raaf » Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:16 am

sorry i already reviewed, just passage that i found narrow minded because he has less contact with euro people than 5u etc and their motivation, he does great things!, but sometimes his views are a bit not so openminded , it just founded pretty dumb how its comes over in the docu

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Post by deastman » Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:56 pm

I finally was able to sit down and watch the whole film. What a tremendous piece of work! It was great to see so many different musicians, manufacturers, and formats represented. I know some people were disappointed by who was left out, but at 4 hours already, I think it achieved it's objective of presenting an overall view of the resurgence of modulars. As someone who works in video myself, I know all too well how much effort goes into a production of this scale, and I'm in awe that it was completed by a crew of two! This film is an amazing gift to our community, so thank you both for all your hard work. I can't wait to see the feature version in the theater!

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Post by Robert McLeod » Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:30 pm

I loved it and felt honoured to have played my miniscule role in this effort just by parting with a few dollars.

* It was pleasantly unexpected to hear a British accented voice pronounce Moog the 'traditionally American' way :hide:, I got a real kick out of that (sometimes it's the strangest little things that push my happy button).
* Seeing the passion expressed by everyone, as well as connecting real people to those who were to me were previously only online personnae was fascinating.[/list]

At 4 hours I did not find it long, it just felt like a privilege to see such a beautiful effort put into capturing something I care for such much: our musical community and what makes us tick. Thus ends my sermon :waah: :tu: :yay:

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Post by Mongo1 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:57 pm

I really enjoyed the first half - there was a clear purpose to the narrative, and although it did overemphasize Robert Moog (IMO), it was still really good.
The second half kind of lost my interest. I found myself pausing the video to go do other things several times, and continuing later.

On reflection, I think it was because the narrative in the second part was really unfocused. I would have a hard time telling anyone what it was 'about'. Clearly it was a look at how things are now, but I grew pretty bored during some of the interviews. I also found that the narrative thread switched around sort of aimlessly sometimes. I think most of that could be fixed with some judicious editing.

The highlight of the second part for me was the telephone switchboard stuff. Absolutely fascinating. I also enjoyed hearing how people got into the business of making modules.

I definitely agree with the comments made previously about the 'credentials' for most of these people. I had no idea who a lot of them were just based on the credentials shown. That made it a little tough to get involved in.

All that said and done, I did enjoy this film. Thanks for the tremendous effort you've put into it.

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Post by Minimoog56 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:12 pm

Saw the film today for the third time.

Overall, I thought IDOW is a work of love, and a well made documentary profiling the diverse personalities and scenes comprising the modular experience in our time. I am glad it was made. Excellent soundtrack. Good work gentlemen.
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Post by g0lem » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:19 pm

first post-watching thoughts: fuck you deadmau5.

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Post by climbingtyler » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:32 pm

g0lem wrote:first post-watching thoughts: fuck you deadmau5.
Is that just gear envy or actual hate?

Also why does everyone seem to hate deadmau5?

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Post by g0lem » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:38 pm

climbingtyler wrote:
g0lem wrote:first post-watching thoughts: fuck you deadmau5.
Is that just gear envy or actual hate?

Also why does everyone seem to hate deadmau5?

pure unadulterated gear envy.


edit: i also hate his work, but in this case it's gear envy.

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Post by VanEck » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:59 pm

Received my copy of the hardcore edition this morning, and just finished watching part 1. Really enjoying it so far. Narration is top notch.

My only slight criticism echoes what someone else in this thread mentioned about how the "name/info" pop ups when people are talking tend to come in a bit late, not often enough, or with not enough info. I can agree with that I think. The pop ups could happen right as they start talking every time, and probably squeeze in a bit more info. I think the same could apply to the gear... whenever a certain important piece of gear is shown, the name and some basic info/trivia could pop up with it.

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Post by climbingtyler » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:09 pm

g0lem wrote:
climbingtyler wrote:
g0lem wrote:first post-watching thoughts: fuck you deadmau5.
Is that just gear envy or actual hate?

Also why does everyone seem to hate deadmau5?

pure unadulterated gear envy.


edit: i also hate his work, but in this case it's gear envy.
Personally, I love his music. But we are all entitled to our opinions.

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Post by qu.one » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:48 pm

Tbh, I was a little let down. The stories of the two protagonists in part two were really of no interest to me. And a lot of the artists in PT2 picked as modular representatives were... not really modular users. But I guess that's the point - it's growing. I would have been way more interested in watching clips of various synth meets around the globe with real users who truly have the passion for these things. Or more manufacturers. There was definitely a Canadian lean.

I did enjoy part one more - and wished it were the longer if the two.

A HUGE letdown (which is not the movies fault) was Vince Clarke not having one synth on. At least it seemed that way. When solvent asks how different the roland 700 sounds from the 100, VC doesn't even turn them on to make an auditory response after using the generic term of "phatter." Same could be said for Deadmau5. Huge modcan, no sound. Not one patch cord. Waste of screen time to have either of ghose guys IMO. I'm sure they were there for the celebrity, system size and wow factor.

No mention of John Blacet, Grant Richter, ASys or ASol. I know you can't cover everything - but Blacet? Richter?

I could watch Andreas Schneider all day though. 4 hours of him, fuck yeah. Or 2 hours of Schneider and the other two of Barbour.

Regardless - it definitely made me want to go and patch something up.

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Post by JohnLRice » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:57 pm

Got mine and my T-Shirt yesterday! :hyper: Thanks! :hail: Haven't had time to watch yet but I will soon!

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